WHY DID THE HOLY SPIRIT OMIT SUCH AN IMPORTANT DOCTRINE, THAT WILL KEEP AWAY THE DEVOURER AWAY FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT OF GRACE?
Did He? Why did he talk about it in Hewbrews Chpt 7?
Was the Holy Spirit's intent there to teach us about the eternal priesthood of Christ? Why then did He mention Tithing?
Or was He trying to let us know that in this new dispensation, our tithing obligation has changed from the Levitical Priesthood to Christly Priesthood which is forever?
MuttleyLaff: The correct question to ask is: What was the Holy Spirit trying to tell the Hebrews (i.e. the Jews, aka the Israelites, King Agrippa etcetera) there
The last time i checked, the Holy Spirit was given to the Church, not a race of a particular group of persons or an individual.
MuttleyLaff: My sister, the ground is full, with what posters over the years on this forum, have talked about Hebrews 7 Tithe was not, and is not, the priority of Hebrews 7
I decided not to read those threads So pls, Lets talk as Christians here.
If Hebrews 7 is not about Tithing pls tell me why you thing it was brought in there.
shadeyinka: How special do you think humans are relative to God. Once you deduce that, you will discover that except by Gods choice and benevolence we are worth nothing.
If God was like human (in size and strength), humans will be less than bacteria (in size and strength) in comparison. Since no one feel a thing by pouring IZAL in the toilet, killing of hundreds of millions of bacteria, why would God loose sleep if all humanity go to hell.
Secondly, there exist no time in eternity. Time just doesn't exist; it is meaningless! If someone ead to burn for eternity, its not a reference to our time here on earth.
Thirdly, God is the God of everything but He is not the Father of everyone. Can God burn wood without battinhan eyelid? If he can, He can burn man the same way.
Jesus gave the story of Lazarus and the rich man. He also warned, "if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off....for it is better to enter the kingdom of God with one hand than to enter hell with your two hands".
Sir, this your illustration of pouring Izal in the toilet to flush bacteria shook me up really deep. That's how minute we are without God o.
I'm nothing without God. He doesn't need me o, i need Him . He can do without me, but i can't do without him .
Chai, i wish these people being deceived by satan can get this insight.
Peacefullove: Not long ago there was a topic on Nairaland FTC where a man injure his son with HOT Iron for eating his food . people flooded that thread condemning the man as " Wicked " , fine !
Those who condemn him never realized that there pastors have brainwashed them that the God of the universe does same on a higher level by NOT just iron this time around BUT Mythical hellfire [b] . uh, you agree your god is wicked ?
Truth is , the idea of burning another man repels us , no wonder jungle justice is frowned upon by the law. If humans can't do such, it [b] means the God of the universe is not what many religion proclaim him to be . Religion is just a tool to control the masses and hellfire is the weapon to make dem submit .
There is no such thing as Hellfire
Get out of here muslim and get lost in Islamic cave.
I died years back and Yahweh showed me where the hell is. There are actually seven hell's. The only one we humans know bout is the seventh one.
I walked through allot them. I felt like I was in a trance because it was very real.
Then, when I woke up, my family told me that I had been gone for two days. Two days of being in the splendour and glory of god and it felt like hours to me.
Hell is real! My brethren, we only need to use our head else we'll end up living in hell.
In fact once I woke up, I removed all my artificial things and began to praise god.
Tosin17: Some people believe that one will burn for eternity if you do not accept Christ but another school of thought says you will no longer exist that nothing like hell fire. They say the Bible say they will perish means they will cease to exist. Pls what is your take on this Bible scholars?
Pls, give me the symbolism of 'An unquenchable Fire'. And, pls add 'Forever and ever'. What do they symbolize?
Buharimustgo: Neither the first or the second school of thought are correct. Nobody will burn for eternity,not even the Sons of perdition. What I know for sure is that if anyone refuses to repent and accept Christ when he has opportunity to do so,he will suffer for all his sins nobody knows what this suffering looks like but I am certain not the symbolic He'll fire as used in the scriptures,which if he had accepted Christ he wouldn't have suffered,that's why Christ Atonement is indispensable. But there is still hope for the sinner,after he has suffered all the punishment affixed to every sin he committed since he decided to carry his own cross and not repent,He will still inherited something, this shows that God is not wicked as being portrayed by satan
If you say 'Nobody knows what the suffering will be, you call Jesus Christ a lair. Sir, is Jesus a lair?
Incrizz: The image of the beast, Artificial Intelligence, AI, is here.
666 Sophia (6 letters) is a robot created to be artificially intelligent. Have you heard about her?? She has just been granted citizenship in Saudi Arabia
Cyborg: (6)- another of the 6,6,6; the merging of humans with machines.
What is the last 6? Do you know??
For those of you who prefer codes, Sophia the female looking robot, was revealed at the Future Investment Initiative, a gathering of rich and powerful Saudi Arabians (Google it.) F: is the 6th letter in the alphabet I: is the 15th letter=1+5=6 I: 6 666 (The rise of machines).
The chip is going to be implanted in your brain or in your hand if you permit. Do not permit dearly beloved of God.
Chips implanted in the brain can be wiped or reprogrammed which will make it easy for your mind tampered with.
An AI Church has been created where AI would be declared God. Google it!
They are going to tell you that the chip can help you medically, emotionally, intellectually to solve your issues. etc Remember this Scripture, "he will come peaceably at first"
If you are a believer in Christ, do not accept an implantation of chip in you head or hand in the name of medicals or whatever; be prepared yo die for CHRIST!! Do not allow them make you forget God!
As a Christian, get prepared to forgo your money in the bank, suffer health wise and other wise than receive a "cure all" chip in your body.
Be prepared to suffer pain, hunger etc on behalf of CHRIST.
Why? Because the beast will be given power over all who believe in Christ Jesus and overcome them, but whoever endures to the end shall be saved
Atheists give your lives to Christ, because only The Spirit of Christ in a man can help him resist the lure/seduction of the Antichrist.
The beast( AI or AGI World system is here). Be warned!!!
*Let's do some e-evangelism mention any moniker you know e.g Chopbellefull, lefulefu, jupxter, obonujoker, zenithpeak, adelee777, sonmvayina, analize701, JMAN05
When i heard about Saudi Arabia giving Sophia citizenship, my first thought was, can she have sex? Nothing can make a muslim king give an almost human robot citizenship, except he can have sex with her.
Goshen360: I thought you're tithing according to Abraham example. You see how you quickly run to the law to justify tithe yahoo?
Even your pastor Chris....said Christians are no longer under under the law and that the law is abolished but I'm not surprised just like your pastor Chris, he runs to the law he preached was abolished for Christians to justify tithe, the same you doing. Hey, I got good news for you:
New International Version Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
New Living Translation Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.
Romans 3vs19
Will that include your yahoo tithe and offerings?
Goshen360, this is not maturity. pls do not bring insults into a Christian discussion and, most importantly, do not insult a servant of God in my thread.
If these men are Yahoo men, the God who called them is not incapable of bringing them to justice. No one made you an avenger.
Pls, let's respect each other and base our discussions on issues not attacking people's characters. Thank you.
OkaiCorne: It's not about what you prefer, it's about following the Scriptures...in this instance, the Mosaic Law of tithing you insist on obeying.
If you "prefer" paying cash, then you are not tithing, you are giving. And God will also bless you for that.
But if your motive is to dodge a fictitious devourer, then you have to check your motives again. Unless you are implying that in Jesus Christ you are not seated far above principalities and powers except you tithe...
By the way, please I need an answer to my question. Thanks.
Brother, i asked you a question before. Did Tithe pay originated from or with the Mosaic law? You said no, why then are you stuck to it?
I wanted us to discuss why the Holy Spirit raised the Issue of Tithing in Hebrews Chapter 7. because going by what is said there, the Mosaic law won't come in at all.
Mailthaddeus: KKK boss, just pay ur tithe, with food and livestock or anything u deem fit. Just pay. As for me, I prefer to pay in cash and in service. And I keep getting more cash. Pay wit foods and goats, and u will keep getting more blessings in goats and food.
My dear eh. Another thing is, we men made Tithing about money o.
God never promised to give anyone money after they pay their Tithes o. He promised a blessing which money is by-product.
I knew this thing had to do with money (mammon) after all. Before I continue.
DO YOU THINK GOD IS LIMITED TO MONEY? THAT IF PEOPLE DO NOT PAY "TITHES", THE CHURCH WOULD SHUT DOWN?[/quote]
OkaiCorne: Now we are getting somewhere. There is tithe and there is offering. When God gave Moses the rules on how tithing should be done, there was gold and silver, but God insisted on farm produce. Or are you saying God does not know what He's doing?
There's only one Tithe while they are different kinds of offerings. Should our problem now be what we Pay or the Payment? I thought the Anti-Tithers are against the Payment?
My brother, let us be objective here. Should we or should we not pay Tithe is my concern, it's not whether the payment should be in monetary form or crops.
If i were a farmer and i'm able to ascertain what a 10% of all my Yams are and pay my Tithe with it, will that be okay?
petra1: You made a good point and I agree with that . Let truth preveail
There is no comparison .There are different kinds of givings with different kinds of blessing . For example the law says to live long take care of your parents . It’s a principle . It goes beyond the law . Same as tithing .
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It pre existed the law . Abraham tithe to melchi was not food stuff .It can be food it can be livestock’s it’s a choice
It doesn’t have to be money . If I receive 10 cars I can give one of money equivalent
You said so . Tithes is to worship God as well as offering and as well as prayer , fasting which one is pursuing God ?
That’s a free will offering . Its nothing new . It’s in the Old Testament too.
paxonel: Ecclesiastical tithing is what is practiced in all churches today. It is obligatory and never a voluntary exercise. 10% payment were imposed to church members by pastors who quoted Malachi, and they are being threatened that they rob God if they don't pay. Now that is totally different from voluntary and cheerfully giving of any amount one can afford. So tithe is tithe whether you call it ecclesiastical or levetical or abrahamic. And giving is giving.
Because when collecting tithe no one is making any distinction in practice, they are all collecting the 10%
Hahahahahaha. I'd rather you talk with points rather than throwing words around for the purpose of talking. There is no Church which makes Tithing compulsory, if you go to such a Church, then leave.
PaChukwudi44: is circumcision part of the law? did it originate with the law?
circumcision did not originate with the law but it was part of the law that was why it was condemned by Paul when some early Christians started preaching just you people are preaching tithing today
No, presides the law, that is why it transcends the law.
Let's deal more with this when i'm a little more chanced.
By the way, if we call what we give tithe, why are we not doing it as prescribed by the LAW? or is there anywhere in the bible (old and new testament) that states TITHE must be paid as money?
If no, why do we call the payment tithe and keep on insisting it is 10% but ignoring the mode of payment as stated clearly by GOD in the bible?
I asked if Tithing originated with the law, you said no, why then did you ask why we don't do the way tje law stipulates?
PaChukwudi44: I hope you know your father Abraham also practised circumcision and burnt offering before the law yet it did not stop Paul from condemning circumcision in the letter to galatians?
Genesis 17 The Covenant of Circumcision
17 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty[a]; walk before me faithfully and be blameless. 2 Then I will make my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers.”
3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4 “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram[b]; your name will be Abraham,[c] for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”
9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
15 God also said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. 16 I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her.”
17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!”
19 Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac.[d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.” 22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.
23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him. 24 Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised, 25 and his son Ishmael was thirteen; 26 Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that very day. 27 And every male in Abraham’s household, including those born in his household or bought from a foreigner, was circumcised with him
Galatians 5 2-12 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.” 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty. 11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
Brother, all you have said here boils down to lack of understand of why Christ came. If you know what Happened in Eden, you'd understand what happened on the cross. Between Eden and the Cross is where you are stuck now.
Let me try to bring out some things to the fore front.
Man Sinned and severe himself from the spirit realm. He was created a spirit but was given a body to enable him function in a physical realm, when he sinned his spiritual component was no longer effective, hence; YHWH began telling him what to do in the flesh only to keep him alive. All YHWH did with Man, by way of ordinances or covenants where to bring to mans knowledge and understand of the Gravity and the weight of his actions. Sin in Eden.
YHWH needed man to know that living only in the flesh will profit him nothing. Everything he asked man to do, had their spiritual replicas but man couldn't access them, becos he was dead spiritually.
Ever before Moses was asked to built a Tabernacle in which the blood of animals will be offered, there had existed a Tabernacle in heaven. For Moses to know what to do, he was taken to heaven and shown exactly the original Tabernacle and was asked to built a replica on earth.
Fleshy circumcision only keeps your flesh clean, nothing else. It does nothing to your spirit state which is more important to you.
When Christ came, the Kingdom of God which Adam lost in Eden has been restored, and things are not to be done in the fleah anymore, but in the Spirit.
In the old Testament, you get acceptance by works, In Christ, you get acceptance by Grace.
If you still believe that by fleshy circumcision, you gain the New birth in Christ, then there's no justification.
Pls let's get something very clear here. Paul did not stop people circumcision, he stopped them from believing that if they don't circumsize their sins are not forgiven.
Circumcision as a form of hygiene still goes on, but as a form of spiritual attainment or acceptance or qualification for atonement, No. This is what Paul stood against.
OkaiCorne: In ancient Israel, money was there in the form of gold and silver, but why did God specifically require tithes to be paid in food and livestock format?
And why are you going against this instruction from God if indeed you are tithing?
There's a scriptural reference that states that if your tithes is far from the temple, convert it to money and when you reach the temple, use the money to buy food and livestock. Why are you not doing this if you are really tithing?
OkaiCorne: If you insist on keeping the requirements of the law, then you must obey it to the last letter so you do not disobey God.
1) Can you point to a scriptural reference where tithes were paid in monetary form as opposed to food crops and livestock?
2) Do you know that based on the Law, if you do not pay your tithes in the prescribed format, you are disobeying God...yet thinking you are pleasing Him?
3) After God gave precise instructions on how tithes should be paid, did the bible precisely state anywhere that tithes can be paid to anyone except the Levites i.e. Pastors, Apostles, Rabbis, Pharisees, Scribes, Prophets?
4) In the time of Malachi, was there a Church that collected tithes...or was it an Old testament temple?
Let us be careful not to pour old wine in new wineskin
You can give to Church, but don't deceive yourself that you are tithing. That's just it. Then there's also priorites involved.
Humanity takes precedence over offerings and all of that...
OkaiCorne: If you insist on keeping the requirements of the law, then you must obey it to the last letter so you do not disobey God.
Let me ask you this, Is Tithing part of the law? I mean did it originate with the Law?
OkaiCorne: If you insist on keeping the requirements of the law, then you must obey it to the last letter so you do not disobey God.
1) Can you point to a scriptural reference where tithes were paid in monetary form as opposed to food crops and livestock?
2) Do you know that based on the Law, if you do not pay your tithes in the prescribed format, you are disobeying God...yet thinking you are pleasing Him?
3) After God gave precise instructions on how tithes should be paid, did the bible precisely state anywhere that tithes can be paid to anyone except the Levites i.e. Pastors, Apostles, Rabbis, Pharisees, Scribes, Prophets?
4) In the time of Malachi, was there a Church that collected tithes...or was it an Old testament temple?
Let us be careful not to pour old wine in new wineskin
You can give to Church, but don't deceive yourself that you are tithing. That's just it. Then there's also priorites involved.
Humanity takes precedence over offerings and all of that...
OkaiCorne: If you insist on keeping the requirements of the law, then you must obey it to the last letter so you do not disobey God.
Let me ask you this, Is Tithing part of the law? I mean did it originate with the Law?
Mailthaddeus: Whether u like it or not, there will always be poor people around u. Malachi 3:10 says" Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do," says the LORD of Heaven's Armies, "I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won't have enough room to take it in!. If this is God's word, why should I hesitate to bring. Whether humanity is faced wit hardship or abundance, God's house must always be filled with plenty food, cos we operate on a different economy.
Christianity Etc › Re: Should I, As A Christian Pay Tithe? by analize701(op): 10:03pm On Nov 30, 2017
