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mujahid777:
At last you're admitting it

I admitted that Mohammed was a pig right?

Only a pig can bring out is lice invested private part in front of a 6yrs child who hasn't change her milk teeth yet, and masturbated in front of her then joined her little fragile legs together and thigh her.

Oh Lawwwd. Just allow this register in your mind, Your 6yrs old little girl who is still playing with toys in bed with a 53 yrs old dirty unshaven bearded man.
Ewwww.

What could arouse sexual urge in a man in a child except that man was sick? What did Muhamed see in Aisha to arouse him to desire her sexually? Oh my Godddddd. The thought of 6 yrs old daughter with a man like leaves me in tears. I don't know what i would do if the law allows me to do something to such a beast.

Muhammed needed to be castrated. Cut off his pen.is, and make him eat it raw.

Oh wait!!!!. Now i remember, a sex demon was cast into him when the sorcerer placed a curse on him.

Anybody who calls muhammed a prophet is under a curse just like him (Piss Be Upon Him)

hopefulLandlord:
and most of those he's been mentioning have been either replying him directly or indirectly

BTW libel: to purposefully lie about someone

what purposeful lies have you heard from Freeze about pastors? is it the part about their buying private jets? is it the part about they using church money to build schools overwhelming majority of their church members can't afford to send their children to? is it the part where he compares them to Jesus?

what exactly has he done that you'll interpret as "libel"?

I think you got the whole thing backwards
he's been using scriptures to back up his criticisms, its infact the pastors that have been replying him without using scriptures to backup their replies

Okay.

mujahid777:
Honestly,you're not making sense;it's like you only need someone to waste your pathetic existence with.I see no other reason why you'd be asking such silly questions.If you really need an answer,well,you know how to put them.Until then,stay off my mentions.

You don't know your koran, just go away.

petra1:
Tithe was given for the work of God and for welfare of fultime ministers in the sanctuary . Paul says same applies to the chrcuh . As a command from christ

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospe[/b]l

Thank you sir for bringing this points out.

[b]Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

Those who are against Tithe, whd wish Pastors carry out their work unaided.

The Churches or Ministries who do not pay Tithes collects Hugh dues from their members, but because the tag, Tithing is not used, they join unbelievers to malign the Church.

The LAW was meant for Israel, but the Spirit of the Eternal Creator(Holy Spirit) was meant for all of Humanity (those that are ready to accept it...irrespective of your background)

There are continuous improvements, because the Eternal Creator knows change is constant...only HE never changes.[/quote]

OkaiCorne:
Oops...my bad sister

Its okay.

OkaiCorne:
Read the Bible again, you'll see a beautiful interwoven pattern of continuous improvements on the principles God laid out;

Well, if you decide to term them as improvement, it's okay, but i wont see them as that.

OkaiCorne:
1) Sacrifice = Animal Sacrifice (Old Covenant) vs Death of Jesus (New Covenant)
2) Circumcision = Physical (Old Covenant) vs Heart & Mind (New Covenant)
3) Giving = Offerings and Tithes (Old Covenant) vs Sacrificial giving to the less privileges & Communal giving and sharing amongst the brethren in the Church (New Covenant).

1. The replacement of the blood of Christ for that of animals is not an improvement on atonement because the Bible says 'Lamb of God was slain before the foundation of the earth. Meaning before Adam sinned, Christ's blood was available. Question is, why wasn't it used instead of the blood of animals? The reason is so that man will fully understand the weight and the gravity of what He did.

It is to tell man that, declaring Independence from God and trying to do things by himself (Human fleshy efforts without the backing of the divine), he will just be running around a circle getting no where.

That's why Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:24 says;
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The application of animals blood is to teach man that only Blood can atone for sins. As we see, the animal is made to die in the place of sinner, what it shd originally be is man dying outrightly.
Every time i sin i die, but instead an animal is made to die for me.

Before Christ will Manifest in the flesh to die, Man should know the Consequences of his actions and accept atonement made by Christ.

It wasn't an improvement. It reward a lesson to be learned.

2. Still a lesson. Flesh versus the Spiritual. You can't walk with God in the flesh.

Before God, the flesh is a shadow while the spirit is the koko. But, to us, the flesh is the koko while, some of us don't even believe in the spiritual.

3. Pls go back and read the old Testament. When is comes to Giving and sacrificial giving. FreeWill offerings, We, as a result of criticism of the Church, does not give half of what the old testament stipulated for God's people to give.

And giving never changes bros. The principle remains the same, give and you shall be given.
[quote author=OkaiCorne post=62848064]It does not mean that the Old Covenant is useless e.g. animal sacrifice still works very well in the kingdom of darkness. But why settle for good when there is better and best?

Blood is a Spiritual legal tender. To obtain in the spirit realm, you present blood, just like to buy anything here, we present money.

To buy us back from sin and death, the Blood of Christ was a legal tender, so also the satanists use animals blood to buy, and still human blood for something bigger from satan.

They are not using the blood for the purpose of redemption or atonement nah. Is just obtain.

repeat after me, 'My blood shall not be used as a tender for the agent of satan to obtain anything', in Jesus name.

mujahid777:
Seriously,you're not making any sense

Oh yeah? Have made any sensible point before?

Didn't allah say Jesus didn't die? Didn't he say he stole Jesus and replaced him with another?
Didn't allah say he deceived the Jews to believe that the man on the cross was Jesus?

Can you read or when it comes to matters that exposes allah as a lair, you become dumb?

Why did allah steal Jesus from the Cross?

who was the man the Jews/Romans killed?

What was the offence of the man allah replaced with Jesus on the cross?


If you can't answer me, pls keep quiet.

mujahid777:
No one asked you to list the exploits of your crucified pig!

E pain you. You and I knows who the real Pig is.

hopefulLandlord:
let me get this straight, are you agreeing that what freeze is doing is cyberstalking?

It may not be Cyber stalking, but he is mentioning names and that can be libel.

If he is attacking Tithe takers straight on using the scriptures to back up his teachings, there won't be an issue.

Let's take you for instance, you attack YHWH and Jesus every chance you, but not those who worship Him. (Except i missed where you specifically called me an idiot for believing in God)/As long as you keep it at that, all our discussions will be Bible based, with you trying to show me that God does not exist and me trying to show you He does.
But when you begins to mention names and accuse the mentioned names of misdemeanors claiming they are misappropriating the law, then you can be sued, to present your facts.

OkaiCorne:
God bless you my brother.

I'm a Sister. lol.

OkaiCorne:
The foundation (Principles) cannot change, but do you agree that the methods of achieving these principles can be modified and upgraded over time such that there is a continuous improvement from good to better to best?

e.g. Law(good) ---->Cross(better)----->Crown(best)
No. YHWH ways are Yes and Amen forever.

I'm sensing you are coming from the angle of the New covenant replacing the old[?] If that is the case, then we will need to explain why there was need for the replacement, not modification.

The Son of God being crucified on the cross has no special spiritual significance. We Christians took it up gallantly showing our enemy that we are not shamed of what he meant to use as an instrument of shame against us. Just like, we took the Title 'Christian'. It was meant to berate and disparage us.
It was used as a term of ridicule and stigmatization, it was meant to tag us as absurd and cause us to be treated as Outcasts, but we took it up gallantly and today we celebrate it.

There's no Christian in the Spirit realm. We are known and identified by our spiritual birth, not by that title.

Hence, the ways of God doesn't improve becos He is not an imperfect God from the outset.
The crown comes when this race is over, not at the middle of it.

[quote author=OkaiCorne post=62845866]Bear in mind that these improvements would not necessarily contradict its previous form, but would only enhance it. Do you agree?

My brother, reading my Bible, i have not come across anything that hints that God's ways shall be improved on.

To understand whole God and us issue, you'd need to know that the whole thing is about 'A King and his Kingdom, and how he intends that his subjects live in his kingdom. His ways are changeable.

OkaiCorne:
In addition, just to build up on your answer to my question, if we are in the era of the Holy Spirit, doesn't the direction from the Holy Spirit supersede the requirements of the LAW?

Yes it does. That is because, the Law had no force/agent or an enabler behind it, but the Church does (The Holy Spirit)

What is the requirement of the law?

The law required it's adherents to be guilty, as their sins were never erased, but just covered. And they were to keep coming with blood to cover their transgressions but leaves their guilty conscience raw and exposed.

But the Holy Spirit Justifies us and makes us come by as though we never sinned.

Munae:
Whatever happened to freedom of speech

Do you know from where Law came from? Freedom is a concept which everyone is entitled to.

If Freeze has the freedom to insult my father, by that same law, provision is made for me to take him up for libel, for assault or harassment. for blackmail and Character assassination.

Do you know your rights or you believe only you have access to those rights?

MakeADifference:
Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, group, or organization.
This is illegal in Nigeria.

NIGERIA’S CYBERCRIME ACT 2015:
Outlaws Cyber-stalking and Cyber-bullying and prescribes punishment ranging from a fine of not less than N2 million or imprisonment for a term of not less than 1 year or to both fine and imprisonment, up to a term of not less than 10 years or a fine of not less than N25 million or to both fine and imprisonment; depending on the severity of the offence.


We all know what Freeze stands for. We all know he is anti-tithers. We all know he calls them Sheeple or whatever. We all know he is anti-Adeboye. He calls them pastorpreneurs.

The day some tithing Christian will take up his case now, I hope no one will cry here. There is a limit to everything. It is only a stupid fly that follows a corpse into the grave.

Then the same wise people will quote the same scriptures they don't believe in saying Jesus says turn the other cheek forgetting that Human right laws cover us too as Christians.

Satan is tricky and stupid at the same time.

His agents believes that, as Christians the laws of the land shd not be used by us to protect ourselves, but we are expected to contribute everything else to the development of the society.

When treated badly, accept it, a Christian is destined to be treated like trash. When Maligned and violated against, do not use the law, but when you violate anyone, the law shd be used against you.

Now that Freeze is insulting peoples parents, their children are to take everything in their strides, but when their children rises up against Freeze, the wise unbelievers will have an opinions.

There's so much that a man can take.

OkaiCorne:
Hi, please don't be distracted, just pretend its me and you here for now.
Thanks.

Okay.lol.

OkaiCorne:
Great job analize701

Two Questions

1) Can Principles remain the same but methods to adhering to those principles be changed and upgraded?

2) Are we in the dispensation of the Law or in the dispensation of the Holy Spirit?

Thank you brother. To God be the Glory.

And to your questions.

Principles: What are Principles (Biblical Principles)

Principles are fundamental truths or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning.


Going by the definition, it means Principles forms the foundation upon which beliefs are built.

Can the foundation of a house change with time?
So, the answer to the first question is NO.

GOD, the same yesterday, today and forever.

Giving is a principle, forgiveness is a principle, Love is a Principe, sowing and reaping are principles, the way they were done by Abraham our Father of Faith is how we his Children shd do them.

2ndly, Yes, we are in the Dispensation of the Church and the Holy Spirit is the Custodian of the Church Age.

God Bless you.

xreal:
Follow ur mind and take this tithe hullabaloo off the air. Abeg.

If we go by this your logic, satan will confuse more lazy Christians who depend on some Pastors who do not even know why they are taking Tithes from people in the first place.

There's a bigger picture here which very Few Christians can see.

Right now, Daddy Freeze may seem to be on the side of the poor who Pastors are stealing from, but there's a motive behind it and very few can see it.

Daddy Freeze is not for the poor, but against them.

Edopesin:
*Enters Thread*
*Gets The Fak Awt*

Good bye, and may the sand which accompanied you in here go out with you. Amen.

Mailthaddeus:
YES.

Brethren, Yes is not an enough answer reasons being that, right now, a lot of Baby Christians are confused and are going to be thrown off balance, this indeed is Satan's strategy, so pls back your yes up.

Why should you as a Christian pay Tithe?

CONT...

The old Covenant had a High Priest who mediated for his people by going imto the temple once a year to do the atonements, If Christ is our High Priest and if we are partakers of the New Covenant with Christ as a Priest, then, we ought to do what is expected of us.

Our Tithe is to Christ, the eternal High Priest, not to Levi, we are not of that Covenant.

God is not a fool to change his covenant from Levi to Christ. He is always in the right.

And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
Malachi:2:1

If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Malachi:2:2

Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
Malachi:2:3


Are you as a Christian a Priest?

In the old Covenant, YHWH chose priests with only One High Priest above them.

In this New Covenant, we are all Priest, with only Christ above us as a High Priest.

So, Malachi is referring to you if you dishonour God. Maybe you shd go figure out the ways you dishonour God.

[b] It is very important to note that we are not Tithing to pastors but to Christ our High Priest. But, if any man of God misuses God's Money, God knows how to hold his servants accountable for their misdemeanors.

A clear example is in 1Samuel 3 down. Eli's sons who were the servants of God in the Temple, did as they pleased with the Tithes, offerings and sacrifices the People of God, brought to the house of God. They went as far as having sex with ladies who came into the Temple to offer sacrifices, God saw all and kept quiet.

The Israelites, knew wat was going on, they complained to Eli their father, who had lost control over his sons, nothing changed. God still kept quiet.

But, they Israelites did not stop bringing their sacrifices or Tithes to God's House because the servants of God were misusing it. They kept their part of the deal. because Tithing is a mark of obedience more than anything else.

In due time, They received the just recommence of their reward for their evil and stupidity.

Christians, do not allow satan and his agents confuse you and lead you away from obeying God.

Tithing gives you security against satan, but satam wants you exposed to him, hence the attempt to confuse you and keep you from paying your Tithe.

YOU DON'T GIVE TITHE, IT'S NOT A OFFERING, IT'S A DEBT, IT'S A COMMAND by God, it is an everlasting ordinance. It doesn't stop as the Priesthood of Christ doesn't stop.

Shalom.

CC: Ubendictus
Okaicorne, i decided to open a thread so, pls come in here lets talk.

ask all your questions with the Bible as the base.

Thanks.

Cont...

IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, you ought to know that the Priesthood of Christ is different from the Levitical Priesthood, becos, the levitical Priesthood is traced to Levi, the third Son of Jacob. But, Christ is a descendant of Judah, the 4th Son of Jacob, and Judah's Sons were never priests.

Why then will God confer the Priesthood status on Christ?
This is to show that the New Covenant promised by God to establish was confirmed. Priesthood shifted from Levi to Jesus Christ, the Mediator of the New Covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31-37
[b]Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.[/b]

The order of Priesthood of Christ is not according to the Levitical Priesthood where when a priest dies, the office gets shifted to another person. The Priesthood of Christ is after the Priesthood of Melchizedek and this Order is ETERNAL.

SO, If Christ a Priest in the Order of Melchizedek, it then means Tithes are to be paid to Christ and no more to the Levites, reasoning being that, the priesthood has been annihilated and done away with.


But, someone will ask me, 'Did Christ ever take Tithe from His people while He was alive?'.

My answer to that will be, no. The reason is, until He died, the New Covenant promised by YHWH in Jeremiah 31 had not been enacted yet. He was not the High Priest yet.

Hebrews:9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Christ became a High Priest when He had offered his blood in the Original Tabernacle was is in Heaven.

In Matt 23:23, Jesus commended those who paid Tithe as doing well, but that they shouldn't have neglected other ordnances, like giving to the poor and helpless, being in passing judgements etc.

In conclusion, let us take this matter into consideration, why did the Holy Spirit bring the issue of Tithing in Hebrew? If it the motive was to teach us the Eternal Priesthood of Christ, He would have just explained the Melchizedek's Priesthood and how it relates to Christ' , not go back to Abraham and talk about Tithing.

CONT...

For those Christians who argue that Tithing is not mentioned or taught in the new Testament, let us now allow Scriptures to interpret other scriptures and gives us understanding of what the Holy Spirit expects of us as His followers in the New Testament.

Hebrew 7:9.
And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

The Holy Spirit says that Levi, the priest who took Tithes in the Law of Moses, paid Tithe while he was still in Abraham, how can anyone then say Tithing started with Levi?

Every High Priest is picked or chosen by God and given instructions on how to mediate between Him and His people.

When God chose Levi to collect Tithe, He didn't indicate that the Tithe belonged to Levi. He said, "That they maybe provisions in 'my' house".

Levi just acted in that office, just like Prophet Moses acted and functioned in his.

Tithe is not paid to MAN BUT TO YHWH, and He is eternal.

Hebrew 7:17
For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Melchizedek was a High Priest of Most High God who had no beginning or ending. No father, no mother, he had no end if days and was made as like the Son of God who remains a priest forever.

The Priesthood of Melchizedek is likened to that of Christ's.

To Be Cont.

Pls, if you come in here and are interested in presenting your points, pls do so with scriptures not empty baseless points. thank you

As a Christian, should i pay Tithe? and to who?

This question will follow another question which will lead me to answering the question. The question is, As a Christian, am i a Seed of Abraham?

What does Gal 3: 7, 9 say? Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Now, as Seeds of Abraham by virtue of our Faith in Christ, are we, or should we be partakers of the Promise made to Him by YHWH?

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Galatians:3:8-9

The above Scripture says, I'm Justified by Faith to be a Seed of Abraham.

As Children and Seeds of Abraham through faith in Christ, are we included in the ordinances of the Covenant made by God with Abraham?

Is Tithing One of such ordinances?

Was Tithing part of the law of Moses? Or, Did Tithing originate with Levi?

Tithing is not part of the law given to Moses, Precedes and transcends the Dispensation of the Law given to Moses.

Tithing began here and Levi or Moses wasn't born yet.
Genesis:14:18-20
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Levi who was given the office of the priesthood to take Tithes was a third generation descendant of Abraham who Paid Tithe to Melchizedek the High Priest of the Most High God.

Who was Melchizedek?

Where did he come from to take Tithe from Abraham?

Where did he go after that? because no one ever heard of him again after that.

It says, he was the King of Salam. Where was this kingdom of salem?

Was it an Earthly Kingdom?

Salem means peace. So, he was the King of Peace.

Abraham paid Tithe to this High Priest, and that act was recognised by YHWH, long before Levi the great grand son of Abraham was born.

TO BE CONT.

OkaiCorne:
Alright then, no problem.
Do have a refreshing night rest.

Good morning. Let me do this early before the day begins in essence.

MEILYN:
What a clown! So petty and idiotic. I would leave you to your own foolishness, I pray you become wise very soon.

Hahahahahahahahahahaa. Do you know you worship a man who worshipped satan? Joseph Smith was a satanist who never hid his activities.


Let me ever see you bad mouthing any Christian in this forum.

Satanists everywhere.

This person opened a thread and ran away from it?

OkaiCorne:
Lol... Honestly, I see this tithing stuff as a no brainer.

Everyone should depend totally on the Holy Spirit for direction. If the Holy Spirit says I should give in a particular manner, who is that Pastor that wants to counter the Holy Spirit?

The next lower level is searching the scriptures and research on what Jesus said on giving. There are certain things that are of greater priorities (weightier matters) than tithing. I'd rather channel my resources to those weightier matters than tithes.

If we want to tithe (which is important but not so weighty as stated by Jesus) , then let us do it as stated in the Bible, and not in monetary form. If not we are disobeying God ooo

Please if there is an option for BEST, why settle for GOOD?

God help us all

We shall do a survey of Hebrews chapter 7 tomorrow. I'm tired this night. Hopefully tomorrow i will have more time.

smoy:
well done

Is it possible for you to answer even a single question? What kind of a muslim is this biko?

Adam was a prophet to islam, what was his prophecy?

mujahid777:
Now we know you don't have sense

Is that the answer to the question? Why did allah steal Jesus from the Jews? Answer and stop being foolish.

smoy:
fair enough, Judah was not mentioned as prophet in the Bible but he was a pious man and leader of his tribe and his name was use when referring to combinations of tribes of Israelite and from his name Jew was gotten, so Judah was a name and from that Judaism was formed and it was never a religion.

your second question, not every one mention in the bible but only the one Qur'an mentioned or Muhammad (SAW) mentioned, or show in the Sirah (Islamic history).

before i will quote books for your on your last question let know what Islam means first; Islam means total submission to the will of God i.e anybody that follows God in accordance with the rules of God as brought by the prophets is called Muslim. second definition of Islam i.e direct translation of Islam means peace so in the summary of these 2 definition Islam means peace accrued by the submission to the will of God

now, we have 5 work mandatory for you to be called Muslim 1. Belief in One God only 2. perform prayer (bow and prostration to God only) 3. pay needy their dues 4. fasting and 5. pilgrimage.

from these u will now no that all the prophets (Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc) of the Bible were Muslims because the all perform all this duties, thought all these might not complete during their time but they were given fraction of it but the coming of Muhammad then Islam was completed.

This ignorant boy is still calling Abraham a prophet. Pls mention one prophecy prophesied by Abraham.

KO89:
Why did God forsake/abandone Jesus on the cross according to that verse

Oh was Jesus crucified? I thought false prophet moharmad said Allah stole him away and deceived the Jews to think they killed him?

KO89:
Ignoramus! !!!

That's why it is call Judgement Day. ....if you find yourself in paradise then you're truly forgiven. .....

If Jesus have truly died for the sins of the world then why are most people still sinning bro. ... Why did your so called personal lord and saviour say you should repent despite the fact he died for your sin! !!!

Did the Bible say becos Jesus died people will no longer commit sin?

OkaiCorne:
He'll be back after advent hopefully.

after 40days.

OkaiCorne:
I am in full support of this, analize701 and Ubenedictus, kindly open a thread for tithers and anti-tithers.

The objective should be for us to enlighten ourselves and not kill ourselves over a fruitless debate.

I don't mind if I'm invited as well (if you don't mind too). I have questions to ask on this tithing matter.

At least the good thing about this tithing storm is that everyone is now reading their bibles more than before. People perish for lack of knowledge and the way to avoid this is seeking enlightenment.

Thanks and God bless...

The guy ran away

MEILYN:
www.mormon.org

No wonder!!!!!!!!!. This is MEILYN's roots. You are a mormon, no wonder it was easy for you to become a sorcerer albeit, a fraud.