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OneJ:
Anas LIAR !
Your crafty resort to frame "Jesus took up all of YHWH's attributes" to cover up the verbal somersaults of her Trinity peddling crew will not help U.

"For even as the Father (Yahweh) has life in Himself & is self -existent,so HE (Yahweh) has GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself......And HE (Yahweh) has GIVEN HIM (his son,Jesus ) authority & granted him power"
John 5:26,27.

"Jesus ...said to them 'All authority in heaven & on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME...."
Matt 28:18.
Jesus himself made mockery of the falsehood U guys been peddling about him.
Yahweh gave Christ all the attributes & everything that Christ possesses. (Every Son has the attributes of his father, U no get brain?)
Christ Jesus can never be the same God who gave him power & authority.

LIAR Anas , receive sense.

Yep, with your head stuck deep inside watchtower, you'd never see.

You have eyes but you see not. Enjoy man.

Zoharariel:
I've always been fascinated by the story of King Solomon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zjjg7mmDN4

You know you can be banned for posting off topic right?

You want to derail this thread abi? Open your own thread and talk about Solomon.

ollah2:
You are a complete dumbo, you gave yourself the opportunity to run around in circles by avoiding answers to the questions raised from your own comment because you know you will be soundly beaten.

Yeah, you are right. You can soundly beat me. Weldone. Now move along.

jiggaz:
You are correct... Jesus is God the father manifested in the human form... The Trinity is really a mystery which we will fully understand when we get to heaven.

Bros, JW won't have the chance of that mystery, they won't go to Heaven. They choose to remain in the material realm on earth. They reject being the Bride of Christ, that is because they don't know Him.

ollah2:
Quuit ranting and writing incoherent comments. Simply answer the three questions I asked you, how is it so difficult? I raised my questions from your comment yet you are ranting like a dog on heat while beating about the bush like a zombie without a head.

A typical muslim. Good nite. Next time, choose your opponent wisely.

I gave you an opportunity to school me, you failed yourself. Pity.

ollah2:
I asked questions based on your messages, your own words but your response is they are irrelevant. Which means your comments are irrelevant.

Hey Mr Muslim, the reason you and i are even talking is becos Rene Omokri who claims to Know the Word believe Yashua is Isa and i say, fa fa fowl, but you jumped at me. So, if you believe Isa is Jesus of Nazareth, and as you claim to have studied the Bible, from your Bible Knowledge, establish that Isa is Jesus. Anything out side of that will be for another day.

If you are left unchecked, you'd raise diverse issues and alienate the issue at hand.

If you can't focus, then bye. When next you see people having discussions, don't just jump in except you can last long enough to prove a point.

jubianose:
Dear Ana...
you are indeed a true student of the Word. Continue to rightly divide the Word of Truth..

Study to show yourself approved unto God...

OneJ:
U said "Jesus practically saying he is God"
Jesus himself said U dey here dey lie lie.
"..I said 'I am God's son'" John 10:34-36.

"I testify that this is the son of God" John 1:34. John 1:14,18. 3:16,36. 6:46.
"I am returning to my Father and your Father, my God and your God." John 20:18.

"Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples,which are not recorded in this book.
But these were written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF GOD. & by believing you may have life in his name" John 20:30,31.

"I am in my Father,and you are in me and I am in you" John 14:20.
Yahweh, Jesus & his apostles are one, form Trinity. Jesus words are very straight forward.

Jesus is a God, the son & servant of Yahweh, the God of Abraham, (Acts3:13,26. John 1:1,2. Ps82:6. ) He is not Yahweh/ Jehovah (Ps83:18. Matt 16:13-17.).
Pull the wool out of your eyes & heart , then U will see through falsehood called Trinity.
Shalom.

Hahshahahahshsa. Oh Wow. The Watchtower man can not see beyond his nose.

Guy, tell me why Jesus took up all of YHWH's attributes. Did you miss that part.

ollah2:
Quit beating about the bush and simply answer my questions. Who cares about you those you have engaged before?

Those questions are irrelevant as they are not the topic under discourse. Listen, the lower does not dictate for the higher. You are a Muslim, deep down in mud, you don't call the shots here.

If you refuse stay on point, you'll be flushed out like poo.

I have been here long enough to know that no muslim is capable of maintaining a line of discuss.

So, again and for the last time, focus. How is Yashua the same with Isa?

ollah2:
I took a crash course on the bible and i know the calamities and inconsistencies in it. You have failed to answer my questions, answer them

What are your questions and are we talking about the Bible or the koran?

Muslims with their twisted minds. Guy, try not to wake me up. I gave up engaging daft muslims in NL who when presented with their lies, instead of treating them, they run around looking for straws to grab.

If you have a lesson to teach me, it's gonna be 'How Jesus of Nazareth is Isa of the koran. This is the point which dragged me down here. If you post anything outside it, consider yourself ignored.


Are you ready teacher? I'm ready to be schooled.

Awww. Even satan is ignoring this one.

ollah2:
Lol. Wow!! So much in you, btw why do you hate Islam if I may ask?
Who Is the lord that when people in Islam encounters, they run without looking back?
How is Islam a Satan's religion?


Let's have a discourse about this. Someone need better schooling tonight

You believe you can school me? Hahahahaha. I will advice you to first take a crash course on the koran before you come.

ollah2:
Ofcourse I don't expect anything different from a bigoted and hateful soul.

I was hoping you'd point out the curses after the tirades. lolzzz. I don't hate you, but i hate Islam.

I am to love humans not religions, i am not mandated to love satan and anything satanic. Islam is satanic. Look around you and all you see is blood, tears and sorrow caused by Islam.

You are talking about the same entity. What you call Father is the Essence or the Substance which filled and indwelled a material vessel, human whom we call Jesus.

Jehovah the Essence/Substance/Spirit is higher/Heavenly, what we know and call the son is a body prepared for a single purpose (death), and it's a lil lower than the Angels who are lower than the Father.

So, what made it seemed like the Father was greater than son was the human nature. The human nature became the son, while the divine nature was right inside the son was the father. But you couldn't separate the Father from the son just like, you can't separate a man's soul from his body. The entity called Jesus is the Father/ Substance/Holy Spirit which dwelled in a human body called Jesus. In Him all Fullness dwelled. Father-son-spirit. they are not three, but one.

Big mystery only for the initiates.

ollah2:
When you don't agree with them then they switch to curses. Just imagine a supposed tolerant Christian who claim to have a good heart. You are worst than those you attack.

Lolzzz. He hasn't uttered one curse on you. why do you see curses everywhere? He rather blessed and prayed for you.

ollah2:
You must be vast about religion than Reno to have you said this. I don't blame you for calling Islam chaff tho, it's in the blood of your guys to hate Muslims and you don't even hide it. It's the same reason every Muslim thread on Nairaland are always derailed by your bigoted and hypocritical fellows hence the reason se.un included the inscription which doesn't still stop or reduce the hate in your bloods.

If Rene has a spiritual grip on the Word, he'd know not to place The Lord Jesus who is YHWH side by side a lame duck caricaturic isa of islam.

listen, i hate islam because is Satan's religion but i love muslims because there are Jesus' creatures and they are deceived by Satan to remain in islam. Everyone in islam who encounters the Lord, runs without looking back.

So, don't get it twisted, i can't hate muslims just like, i can't hate dead men for being dead. But i hate Islam.

Amberon1:
Was Mohammed able to cure ordinary headache?

Yes my sis, he did. He prescribed Carmel Piss.

fk001:
Islam believe that Jesus was resurrected but he is not the son of God.
Take that to the bank

THIS IS WHY Rene ought not to mix the wheat with the chaff.

ollah2:
Hate, bigotry is In their blood. They just hate anything and everything that has to do with Islam. Besides him, some are already quoting why did Reno include Islam in his writings. These are same people are claim to be tolerant, they are the worst hypocrite to ever exist

The point is, Rene Making it seem like the Jesus of Nazareth is the same as Isa of Islam is what we are against. I give no shit what Rene says about Islam, so long as He separates the wheat from the chaff. Islam in this context is chaff.

ifyalways:
Jesus had a foster father ?

Yes nah. Joseph no contribute any sperm for Jesus nah

tossie101:
Jesus my Love : Was this really where u lived

Oh, How i Love Jesus. He is everything to me.

Maamin:
Hmmm, you must be certain of the true denomination going to heaven. If you know any, point me towards the direction

Who said anything about denomination and those going to heaven. I am not an advocate of denominations. Although i am not against it as all denominations are Cells in the body of Christ. But, JW is not a denomination, but a sect or a religion of its own using the word of God as a cover, but denying the divinity of the Lord of all the Heaven and earth.

You already asked if Jesus prayed to Himself when he prayed to the Father.

Well, the Lord praying as to someone else while He, (His natural body he took from Mother Mary) was on earth, is to obey and follow the divine design established before the world was created. Everyone who comes to this earth must follow it to form a partnership with the Source of all.

That law stipulates that we forge a connection with God by living according to God's instructions, while God forges His connection with us and turn us from earthly beings to spiritual beings. (Oh, Well, JW hate being turned to spiritual beings. I forgot you are materialists)

The Lord Jesus, (the part which came from mother Mary), United Himself with the Substance residing inside of Him, to follow the divine unchangeable law.

To obey His own law, he was born like every other human, He was an infant, small, helpless, ate, drank, poo pooed, he learned to walk, talk, and did all we do, this is what He meant by "Fulfilling All righteousness'. He didn't bypass anyyhing. This is also so that no man will give any excuse of " God demands from us when he knows nothing about living on earth in the flesh. He did all things like a complete human.

While in Prayer, his human nature was unifying with his spiritual nature that why He said 'A body you have prepared for me'. and 'You have made me a little lower than than the Angels.

Apostle Paul says that Christ is the fullness of divinity dwelling on earth physically in the body called Jesus.

T.B.C

CONT.
While on the Cross, the Substance left the body, becos the substance = divine, can not be joined to sin, and natural human body carried the sins of men and cried out 'My God, My God why... Again, if the substance had not separated from the natural body of Jesus, He wouldn't have died, because substances doesn't die.

The substance entered back into the natural body and it got up from the grave. Jehovah and Immanuel = God with us, are not two separate entities. That's why He kept saying 'I and my father and one. I am inside my father and my father is inside of me. If you have seen me, then you have seen my Father.

@OneJ, the case here is not the same with an earthly human Father sharing looks or inheritances.

If you read the book of Apostle John, you'd see Jesus practicably saying He is God.

TBC

Cont...

The grand divine design or Law is binding on Jehovah too, because He made the laws to be unbreakable. Hence, for Him to redeem man, there was need for uncontaminated blood. Pls note (There are no two Gods but one) Jehovah is God and the only true God. this is where He needed to bind the heavens and come down Himself as Jesus.

God is Spirit = Substance. When he told Mary 'The Holy Spirit shall overshadow you' He meant, the spiritual substance shall be poured into you, and it did. The substance was incubated in a female = Mary and after nine months a human manifested. Inside this human was still Substance = Spirit = God, but physical we see a form called Jesus. The Form came from Mary while the Substance came from God. Jesus kept saying 'I am in my father and my father is in me'.

That statement is made by the form which emanated from Mary the human. Why? That is because flesh is lower than the Spirit.

Since a human is primarily a substance which comes from the Father, every Child belongs to the Father. The Lord =Form, knew that the Substance inside of Him was God. He also knew that His form which enabled Him walk and talk with men is inferior to the substance, He called His substance Father, and that substance was always inside of Him as He walked and talked on earth, hence he had power over all creatures.

TBC...

@OneJ. I know this will fly over your head as usual, but let me drop it anyway.

Before Jehovah who became Jesus created the Earth, He first put in place divine laws. divine designs and these designs had patterns and every pattern was made to obeys its forms and maintain their boundaries.

The divine design or pattern is imposed on all things that must exist in this material realm called Earth. God Himself, Humans, animals vegetables, minerals everything. They all reproduce according to their own kind. it's a LAW.

For every animal, whether on two feet or four, whether swimming, flying or crawling to exist on this earth must be reproduced accordingly. An Eagle can not become a Vulture Gold can never become diamond.

It follows also with humans, for any of us to live and walk on earth, he/she must be conceived for nine months. the conception must involved the male and the female, this is because humans are first substance=Spiritual before before they are material =Natural.

Every Child conceived proceeds from the Father. What comes from a father is the substance which is the essence of every human. The child, takes his essence from his father, and takes his body =Flesh from his mother, who acts as a vessel=Container which receives the substance = essence = the Soul of a child and incubates it for a period of nine months.

Without the Vessel = mother, the Child will not have a body = flesh to manifest in the physical world as a person.

T B. C.

jubianose:
Exactly.....

The Father God (Jehovah) manifested physically in the person of Jesus Christ in Human form. 1 Tim 3:16...

You are right Ana..

God bless you dear.

Maamin:
No! I am not, why do you ask?

Never mind. All i have to say is 'Thank God you are not'.

Maamin:
There is no ambiguity, here is reasons why

Col.1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him(Jesus the son) should all fulness dwell;

Col. 2:9 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead(that is divinity) bodily.

John 14:10-11
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works 'sake.

God made Jesus the son everything he is. Jesus came to serve so as such he is a servant leader. It all depends on where you are looking from.



Still you don't need to look further

1 Cor.15:27-28

27 For he(Jehovah) hath put all things under his(Jesus) feet. But when he(Jehovah) saith all things are put under him(Jesus), it is manifest that he(Jehovah) is excepted, which did put all things under him(Jesus).

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him(Jesus), then shall the Son also himself(jesus) be subject unto him(Jehovah) that put all things under him(Jesus) , that God(Jehovah) may be all in all.

All in brackets are my emphasis



The name of God(Yahweh) is in Jesus the son. He Jesus also carries the name of his father and declares it to us.

John 17:26.
"And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:"

In the end He shall also come in the glory of his father.

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.




The body does not contain the soul of a man but rather the entire body of man is the living soul.

When God formed man(Adam) he did not put a soul in Adam he breathed spirit of life into the clay and it became a living soul. The same way at death when the spirit of life depart from the body it becomes a dead soul.

God did not create man and put a soul into him rather man became a soul at the fusion of the breath of life(spirit) with the dust(body) and man became a soul.

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The reverse of man's creation is what we experience at death

Ecc.12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Everything becomes clearer if only we let the scripture divide itself by itself.

Shalom aleikhem

Maamin. Are you JW?

tamethem:
Peace bro.

I'm a Sis. lol.

Amen

tamethem:
Kudos! I love your analysis.
Perfectly written.

Shalom Aleikhem.