₦airaland Forum

panafrican:
You are NOT from Cape Town, so what are you ding there.
Being in the same country is not sufficient to go to someone else region.
Go develop your village or your county.

I was born in Cape town, my parents where born in Cape town in fact I can trace back 6 generation all from Cape town.

panafrican:
All African countries whose citizens have been killed, brutalized, tortured etc in South Africa should issue international / domestic arrest warrants for Jacinta Ngobese-Zuma and all the leaders of the violence against African migrants.

Let's make it clear : A foreign nation (such as another African country) can issue a domestic or international warrant for these criminals,
It can upload their names to global travel databases. If they try to fly to the U.S., Canada, Europe, or any other African country border agencies like the U.S. Customs and Border Protection or Canada Border Services Agency would flag their names instantly. They can be arrested upon arrival or instead of arresting them on behalf of another country, these nations can deny those criminals entry at the airport and put them on the next flight back to South Africa

Firstly why would they leave

Secondly what crime did the commit

Third you need to charge them in the country where the crime was committed

panafrican:
Sweet, way to go ! it will be very hard to call White people racist .
They are NOT, they just act like everybody else. Time to send them our support.

Zoom in the Screenshot

I am in Cape town and this is a lie

seppuku:
In truth, The EFF are a disgruntled segment of the ANC and so is UMKOTO. Together the three parties are one and the same who make up the majority of the center, center left which is truly where your country leans on the political spectrum. Their chances of becoming a majority are slim so why are you panicking?





"god" with a small "g".

EFF is not centre left, they are full left wing

panafrican:
If the South African government does not halt its persecution of African migrants, millions of outraged youths across the continent may soon unite to form a Pan-African military force to hold the nation accountable. South Africa will find itself unable to resist such a force. In a rapidly changing world, such an outcome is no longer impossible.

Sorry, but Africa does not have the logistics to support this. South Africa won't need to fight this mythical Pan-African army since it would just stav it self to death trying to move to Southern Africa. Do you have any idea of the distances you talking about are.

panafrican:
Bs. Just stay in South Africa. You don't want anyone in yours, do not go to other people's countries, that is it.

They would but Nigerians cant do the job

maasoap:
That's not protesting. That's rampaging murderous mob injuring and killing immigrants and destroying their means of livelihood. Even your school kids are now demanding that foreign students should leave their country. The virus is spreading really fast beyond imagination. Keep it up, you will see the consequences sooner or later

There where far non violent protest Marches than there where act of violence. News went SSD how the one where people just walked holding banners.

maasoap:
And your government is not doing anything to stop it

Protest is legal in south africa

seppuku:
Uganda's economy is not doing as well. Why aren't they calling for the refugees there to leave?

Maybe they should, I mean, Rwanda has. Though the UN actually gives a country money for refugees under certain conditions. Pretty sure DRC refugees qualify
https://uganda.un.org/en/295968-un-allocates-us25-million-emergency-funding-support-surging-refugee-influx-uganda

South Africa even gets money for some refugees, but not for illegals. One of the big reasons there being so many illegal and unregistered people is an issue.

And again there is no way you can have aslym in South Africa from Ghana. What you running from other than there being no jobs and poverty.

maasoap:
When other African countries start retaliating, you will realise that the engineers and wealthy people from South Africa can be replaced. Do you have an idea how SA companies are repatriating home annually? Those countries can do without SA companies, easily replace when the relationships come to worst but SA government will feel the pain

i dont think you under stand what i am saying.

The government of South Africa does not support the anti-immigrant movment

The people that did the killing dont really care if nigerans murder every South African in Nigeria and burn all the MTN towers. Why would they care

Segzy19:
Don't mi d the guy. He is a south African, and he is always typing nonsense. I don't even know what he is doing on Nairaland

Mostly read posts to make me feel good about being south africa. All so i googled south africa and this site came up with people spreading lies

Kemetian:
ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE EQUAL.

THE LIFE OF A SOUTH AFRICAN ENGINEER IN LAGOS IS NOT WORTH MORE THAN THE LIFE OF A NIGERIAN ELECTRONICS DEALER IN JOHANNESBURG.

UNDERSTOOD?

We understand that. But neither of us are killing people beucase we dont have a job.

i was explaing that the people that did these killing are not going to care.

They should care yes. Murder is wrong and any who does it should be punisshed but the killers dont care.

seppuku:
No please. Close all your borders and remove all African embassies.

Why. You buy our value-added goods and sell us raw materials. Just don't come live here.

brain54:
What your point...


Retaliation can be carried out on both poor and rich if they decide.

As for the topic I'm tired of South Africans and their news!

That they dont care


Sure maybe. But wealthy people tend to be more focused on wealth than on silly things like this

Hemanwel:
What point are you driving at?

They don't care. Maybe in Nigeria, poor people worship the rich. Here they don't care about them.

seppuku:
Please compare that GDP growth across economies that are similar to yours and then you will see what stagnation means.

There are no economies close to our style of economy in Africa.

But if our economy is stagnant, don't you think it best all African economic migrants leave then

seppuku:
Which illegals?

Can you point to where they are?

There are no illegal immigrants where I live. I am middle-class but i bunch where on the flight to Ghana

Hemanwel:
Do these South Africans even think at all?? Their hatred for black foreigners in their country has impaired their sense of reasoning.

What if all the affected countries decide to retaliate on their citizens all over the continent??

African countries send poor people to south africa

South Africa sends wealthy people to other african countries.

Do you really think these people who are poor people in south africa real cares if the South African engineer at MTN Nigeria gets killed

Do you really think that a South African Engineer in Nigeria lives in a poor area of Nigeria?

seppuku:
Okay you guys can walk on your own. Please close all diplomatic and economic channels with the rest of Africa as it was during Apartheid.

You know, there is this middle ground in bewteen Isolastion and open borders, right?

seppuku:
No free hand for immigrants. Deport those that are illegal and those that are not doing anything meaningful but even if you do they will jump the fence next week and you will spend money again to deport them again and again.

That's the aim. Deport all illegal foreigners.

seppuku:
What was GDP growth in South Africa the last 2 years?

Around 0.5 and 1.1 nigerias was 3.4 and 3.9. i all ready knew this. But GDP per capita was the facter i was looking at. It matters since a growth there means people gernarly have money where in Nigeria you have money but no one can actually touch it since only a few suer rich have it.

It's why South Africa has high education budget than Nigeria and why Nigeria has had to borrow money from foreign lenders to pay the bills. Those lenders then force Nigeria to scrap the fuel Subsidy and devalue the currency.

One country is far healthier than the other Dangote is not all of Nigeria.

seppuku:
Inter african trade will create opportunities across the continent and open up all economies to transfer skilled and underskilled labor to their most efficient destinations.

There all ready is inter african trade. Issue is most african countries only seel raw matrials and buy finshed goods.

26% of South African exports go to African countries already. No need for some pan african ideal for trade.

South Africa has a need for skilled labour and the means to train skilled labour. We don't need African countries to send their skilled workers.

South Africa has both the need for unskilled labour and the supply of unskilled labour. We don't need other people's poor.


There is no real benfit to Pan-Africanism for South Africa. There are only downsides

seppuku:
South africa is an economic hub in Southern Africa, people have been going there for over 100 years.

Ok so you admit this is because people are poor in the home countries and now what, South Africa, to give them a free handout?

seppuku:
The SA economy is stagnant so government are under pressure and will find any way to reduce and deter migration because of so called limited resources. I say so called because the distribution of wealth is concentrated in certain segments of society.

In the long run you are better off somewhere else. It will take at least another decade for things to turn around if they will.

How stagnant economy produces more cars in one month than Nigeria does in a year,

Produces enough power for all the people in the country.

I am sorry, compared to South Africa Ghana and Nigeria are poor. Sure, parts of major cities in Ghana and Nigeria are nice but i can go to a random city in South Africa and be better off than some random City in Nigeria or Ghana.

To make my point the GDP per capita growth vs the three

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GH

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=NG

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2024&locations=ZA&start=1960&view=chart

As you can see Ghana is stagnant, South Africa is on an increase and Nigeria on Decline

seppuku:
That's because you have been fed propaganda that when we say pan africanism we are talking about coming to your country to reside.

What do you think one African nation will lead to. people moving from the poor areas to the wealthy areas

seppuku:
Let's see how many LGBT people will be arrested in the first year of this bill.

I predict less than 0.1%

I actually agree there. It more a perfmance for the people bill to distract them. But how many Chinese people behind the illegal mining are in jail in Ghana?

seppuku:
Yes, yes we know we are all coming from other Africans countries to come become like you?

South African exceptionalism at its best.

SMH

Why else you all come to south africa?

edetic:
South Africans have always been Lazy and unproductive, If not for the white settlers among them that developed South Africa, left to the Black South Africans, South Africa would have been nothing but a desert waste land because the blacks among them are lazy. that's why they are envious of the progress of other Africans ... South Africans are Poor and Jobless people, They think by looting the shops of fellow Africans, their lives will change, but poverty is a mentality. Even after driving away the rescourseful African migrants among them, they will still remain Jobless, these unproductive South Africans cannot see the viable opportunities around them that other Africans are seeing and exploring these opportunities to develop and even employ South Africans, what South Africans are seeing is the progress these migrants are making and getting envious of them as if the migrants are supposed to be as dumb as they care.

Since apthied has ened under black rule south afica has brought more people out of poverty than Nigeria. Produced a larger black middile class than nigeira.

In every metric the black people of south africa are better of than nigerians. Better educated, better health, more money, every metric

African Unity does not work when africa is not equal.

panafrican:
Where was the Nigerian government when Nigerian migrants and other African migrants were being hunted down, killed, forced out of their homes, had their businesses burned, and saw their children driven out of schools by large-scale xenophobic mobs in South Africa, while the South African government stood there unwilling to stop the violence?

So, there are South Africans living and working in other African countries as well? We were led to believe that we were the only ones going to other people's countries.

South Africans should understand that actions have consequences. If people are mistreated, humiliated, and attacked, resentment will inevitably grow. History has shown that injustice often leads to demands for reciprocity. As the saying goes, "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."o.9

There about 1000 to 5000 south African in Nigeria mostly on short to medium term contacts. They not really immigrants like the 30 000 or so known Nigerians in south Africa.


The difrince is the African migrants in south Africa where south Africans in Nigeria typical go there for set employment contract period. Example a south African dive team might go there to work on oil rigs for 3 months do the job a return home a MTN engineer might have a contract for a year or two but the return date is fixed.

Where a African migrant in south Africa is working in some low level field and has no known return date since they dont want to return.

Segzy19:
Eita Bro, you defended your xenophobic fellows just last week but now you have denied them. What changed?

I will always condemn criminals and criminality. Unlike you that is inconsistent

No I support people right to protests and demand acstion be taken. But looting a shop is criminal.

Segzy19:
Hahahaha! You are now denying your people. Shame!

So every criminal Nigerian is "your people" do you claim every Nigerian?