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jl115:
What's your point? All companies that aren't NPOs are for profit even SOEs

I a captetlist society a true one like what marxs wanted you can not have a wealthy class running a for Profit corporation.

China stoped being a commie state years ago.

jl115:
Ok so CCP isn't marxist even though they say they are marxist and are communist.....some logic their bru

Chinna is super capterlist just controlled cappterlism. There lots of companies in china where the sole goal is provit above all

jl115:
the CCP literally calls itself Marxist in its constitution bru so yeah they are Marxist.

Europe is moving towards
more center right but certainly aren't there yet at best they are center leaning

FF+ is center right not right wing, policy wise

if a man calls him self a women is it a he or she?

AskiaHarem:
It’s crazy how there’s a Balkan esc war going on in Africa and The East African Community is essentially at war between it’s members. How is little o’l Rwanda setting off fire crackers right in the center of the neighborhood committee so freely? Not to mention the possibility of another South Sudan civil war breaking out.

I remember only a few years ago when this was speculated to happen in the ECOWAS neighborhood because of the junta alliance which has moderately calmed down the past year.

The EAC never should have expanded.

I would say that the M23 is an arm of the Rwandan military at this point. In terms of training and equipment, they so linked to Rwanda that they could be a branch of the RDF.

I think the fighting that took place was complicated and that without Rwandan support, the M23 would have failed in their attack. I don't think it matters if the soldiers that attacked the SADC forces were the Rwanan army or M23 at this point.


All so I agree Rwanda should be suspended.

AskiaHarem:
Would you consider this a fair assessment of the conflicting factions in the DRC? Are Rwandan troops actually firing upon South African & EAC peacekeepers? All of these key players are part of the East African Community and is seems the neighborhood considers Rwanda to be in the wrong here. So your telling not only has Rwanda not been suspended yet but The East African Community is fundamentally in a “pseudo civil war” amongst its members states?

The EAC should have expanded.

I would say that the M23 is an arm of the Rwandan military at this point. In terms of training and equipment, they so linked to Rwanda that they could be a branch of the RDF.

I think the fighting that took place was complicated and that without Rwandan support, the M23 would have failed in their attack. I don't think it matters if the soldiers that attacked the SADC forces were the Rwanan army or M23 at this point.


All so I agree Rwanda should be suspended.

Baller254:
I realized long ago Trump/musk haters have common sense problem, emotional issues and are victims of liberal propaganda and brainwashing. The kind that will support attacks and violence against opposing opinions, weak borders and immigration, gender confused men in women's spaces, dumb economic policies that doesn't benefit it's own nations, virtue signaling with nice words while doing the exact opposite...etc(the list is too long)
Trump is blunt and real, his intentions are clear not masked in niceties like the modern day leftists who are truly the evil ones.
a politician who actually did what he promised.

I hate both for very different reasons and hated them when they where still shilling for the Democrats.

jl115:
What policies are rac1st? name just one if you can.

he signed a order to have white afrikans farmers be dcleaed refugees. Ignoring that there are other groups that farm in south Africa that suffer far more. This is a clear racist act

jl115:
Your post is full of contradiction, firstly how is the South African Communist Party NOT Marxist, its literally in the name. Also how can the DA be center right if it wants to be closer to a socialist European economy? In fact I slightly agree with this statement however the DA is 100% center left. The only relevant party that could be considered center right based on policy is the FF+

you do know that not all comunist movements are the same and just because they have communist in the name does not make them comunist. are you saying the CCP is a marxist group.

Europe is center-right for the most part. or at least closer to the center than they are to the extreme.

FF+ are indeed right wing but all so pretty small.

jl115:
What about Trump is rac1st? let's start there

his polices

jl115:
We are confused, that's our problem, Ideologically we want to lean towards the East(Socialism, Marxism) however Economically we want to lean West( Free Market)... Now we are starting to see the cracks in our approach

Not rally. We want to have a northern European system but we don't have the cash flow they have. The ANC and even the SACP for that matter are not Marxist. That is only the EFF and MK and both are minority parties.

the ANC is run by business people and is just your typical centre left party where the DA is a center right party. Both parties actually want south Africa to be closer to the Socialist European economy of the EU than the free market system f the USA. It why the ANC formed the GNU with the DA vs the EFF and MK.

rugged7:
South Africans running from DRC

the SADC forces are still in the DRC. Just because they withdrawing does not mean they just get up and leave. There is a lot of work that must go in to withdrawing and closing down a base. It could take a year if not years to withdraw from the country fully.

GreenandGold:
Pis-s off you say? You haven't been paying attention, clown. 🤡

yeah People don't realize south Africa is very neutral country that wants to be friends with every one and will deal with every on.

It why we have so many trade deals with different countries

jl115:
Well he basically called Trump a racist.....so yeah, ambassadors should know their place, especially when we are trying to patch already rocky relations

He was just stating the truth. Aerica has the right to be upset about it but he did not lie.

Lurker4Long:
Looking at this latest US State Dept. travel advisory, I think it's time the rest of the world compiled our own advisories on each US state.

during Covid some eurpean country advised citzens in countries with poor health care like america to return home

Faithful007:
Couldn’t be more wrong. Because SAs economy is quite diversified, people often forget that they’re a solid mineral rich country.

Just the way people are shocked to learn that US is the world largest oil and Agro producer.

SA’s mining industry alone generates significantly more revenue than Nigeria’s oil industry.

i was acctually shocked when i lookd in to South Africas Nastional budget compaired to other african countries. South africa makes a lot more cash than nigeria and it why the budget is massive compared to Nigeria.

kabe1:
I wish I had the time to start going back and forth with you.

It is delusional to think South-Africa has a larger industry than Nigeria. Perhaps in the past, but not anymore.

But Nigeria and South-Africa depend on parts imports for manufacturing, including in the Auto sector.

It is naive to say Nigeria just has oil, when we refine the crude oil to many different byproducts.

There are at least 8 functional refineries in Nigeria alone.

South-Africa will go bankrupt if it embarks on Nigeria's coastal road project, this is a fact.

you want to see who industry is bigger? Look at how much electrical power each country uses

Nigeria consumes arround 40 terra wats a year where south africa sits at arround 200 terra wats a year. South africa uses 5 times the power while having a poulastion all most 4 times smaller. So please explain to me how you think nigeria indstrial out put is larger.

You all so brought up the 600,000 barrels of refinded fuel a day. Thats nice number and allows Nigeria to provide it's country with refined fuel and export fuel.

South africa has limited oil and gas producstion but can refine 200,000 a day. once the durban plant is brought back online it will add 600,000 a day. a total of 800,000. So the fact nigeria can produce 600,000 does not show you industrail.

Again south africa has a smaller populastion yet has a higher GDP, GDP per capita, Nastional Budet. The fact you think Nigeria more industrail when you use less power, fuel and you trade is based on selling oil.

AskiaHarem:
America and China; more so the former will continue to operate as usual do in part to there robust economies and geological locations. We don’t know what the war will look like. Will it just be NATO vs Russia or will the Arabs, Israel, Iran, Pakistan, India, China, the Koreas, Japan, and the Pacific light there own fires? I’m talking about a conventional’ish war not a a total nuclear apocalypse.

Regardless they will be there and they will buy & sell as usual and so will ground zero points like Europe. They have no reason to stop and all the reasoning to continue. This has nothing to do with “aid” just basic trade.

The global web of trade and services isn’t going anywhere especially to and from Africa without reason. Will it face disruptions? Definitely

As I stated before Nigeria, SA, and a few other African countries already have burgeoning industries that will be forced to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. They can invest in each other’s unique advantages & regional specialties to mitigate individual weaknesses.

As for foreign investment; the usual along with materials needed to fuel there war economies and low risk economic zones where outsourced production & services don’t get compromised by the war.


The world will become a different place but Nigeria, South Africa, and others will live in some form or another.

World War 3 Detox

you do under stand that WW3 will be nuclular right. Robust or not the econmy will be gone. I mean you do realize thati think african people will get off better than the country takingpart in the war. Our countries might not survive but we will be in a better shap than europe, asia and north america. So again who will you sell you oil to?

kabe1:
Nigeria doesn't have an industry that matters is the dumbest comment I have seen in this thread since I started visiting here.

South-Africa has an industry that matters right?

Nigeria has the largest Oil & Gas Industry in Africa, it also has the largest Refining capacity in Africa.

Only 2 countries in Africa have significant refining capacity, Nigeria and Algeria.

The Entertainment industry is also the largest in Africa.

Nigeria's financial services sector, Banking, E-banking and E-commerce is also larger.

Nigeria's construction and Real estate sector are also larger. I mean there's no road project the size of Nigeria's ongoing Coastal road that's happening anywhere in Africa.

The Automotive industry depends on imported parts just like every other African auto manufacturer.

You say Industry in South-Africa is larger than Nigeria, perhaps in the past, not the same as today.

Have you not heard what i said. I dont think south africa will escape intact either. No african country will.


Ok you now have oil. what will that do with no one to sell it to. Nigeria is a oil exporter and most of the oil is produces is for the export market. With out a market it not a industry that matters.


Sorry south africas industry is far larger than nigeria. Oil is not industrial out put it is rescources you trading. How much medicin does nigeria make, how may engiens does nigeria make, how about telocmuncastion equipment. Dont have rose tinted glasses when it comes to your industry it is not enough to sustain nigeria not even close to enough. Nigeria still Imports most finished goods and even alot of goods they make in Nigeria are still depent on imports.

Cars for example are still needing imports. Even Nigerias home grown cars need out side imports.

Nigeria is set up as country built around selling rescoures and has not yet deversvied it's eceonmy.


In short enjoy the petrol you will be ableswim in it since therewont be much other usefor it.

AskiaHarem:
Nah actually Nigeria would be one of the better off countries. Like I said most of Nigeria’s crucial trading partners like America & China wouldn’t disappear and there trade to Africa wouldn’t have any reason to dry up as there is no infliction point. There are also other partners like Brazil. Your discussing as if the entire world outside of Africa would disappear into thin air.

Nigeria has a burgeoning industry and in such an event would just force it to tighten its own boot straps. As we saw with the fertilizer issue among other things. As for lack of refined oil; that’s a problem already predicted to faze out considerably in the near future with Nigeria’s continues construction of oil refineries. A World War Three scenario would only increase the demand of oil & gas and with the powers blowing each other’s facilities to bits it allows opportunity for commercial leverage.

Like I said before a neutral region could attract investment from those seeking a platform for there business to operate out of high risk and conflict zones.


Your correct own Africa being poorly set up to trade with itself. That’s where the bootstraps come in. World War Three would absolutely effect Africa negatively. Would some countries collapse? Sure. Would that include Nigeria and South Africa? Not necessarily. Such hardships merely forces your back against the wall and for you to solve your own problems. Major players in Africa could emerge with more political clout than ever after such a war has concluded with much of the world theaters exhausted, drained, and diminished.


World War 3 Should be a Detox for Africa.

in ww3 America and china would very much stop being countries as we know it.

No they will not vanish but there trade and ablity to provide aid will. For all purpose they will not be there and will have no need to buy or sell any with with nigeria or Africa

Nigeria does not have a industry that matters. I know people like to talk about it but the Nigrian industry is in truth very small in evry region and catagory. Remember Nigeria populastion is masive yet it industry is smaller than south africa. This is not even me say south africa will survive as a intact country. No country in the world will. The world is to linked in global web of trade and services and WW3 would shatter that entier system.


WW3 wont have investors. the war will be fast and short. who will invest in nigeria and what would they invest with.


i dont have faith in the poltical leaders in south africa or nigeria to keep the counties together.

GreenandGold:
Let me help

thank you

here is a good video on the fighting in DRC


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thSyyKiTOnk

AskiaHarem:
Being “left alone” and feeling the consequences aren’t the same thing. Of course the economic ramifications will be felt but that’s when you pull yourself up by the boot straps. Hypothetically it’s possible for your scenario to happen in 2 or 3 desolate countries but the continent? Nah. Even so I doubt these rebels will have any allegiances to any of the main actors. The fertilizer hike has already happened before and nothing remotely close to that happened matter of fact places like Nigeria started heavily investing in its own production.

No external powers are keeping African countries “held together” by those means outside of a handful of countries who have debatably already “collapsed”.

The Middle East is a non-factor here from the African perspective; we don’t get much of anything from them that can’t be produced at home. As for Europe yea it would definitely be some burn there but these days most African imports largely comes from North America & China which I don’t see getting catastrophically bombarded to the point it significantly shuts them down in terms of conventional warfare. We also share no significant intersecting trade routes or alliances between the two so I doubt our shipping will be halted. Sure Chinese mainland military installations will be hit by targeted bombing Campaigns and there Navy pummeled in the Pacific but I don’t see most of there crucial commercial ships bound for Africa being blasted out of the Indian Ocean.

It’s to my belief WW3 devastation will be largely contained to Europe, The Middle East; possibly South Asia, and the Pacific.

Naija gone be alright…

Sorry but africa and i mean every african counntry even south africa that so far south with a much more mature and advanced econmy will be effected heavily by a WW3 event. Some countries may endure it better than others but i dont think nigeria will be one of those. Here is why i think that.

Goverment budget
The nnigerian goverment budget is heavily realint on trade of crude oil. I am not talking econmy here but the budget the goverment uses to run the country. With a sudden loss of trade partners and market crash could cause the Nigerian goverment to collapse

The federal and tribal nature of Nigeria
Nigera breaking up does not even need to be a major collapse of the country. It could simply be easier to maintain control over smaller areas. So there could be a central goverment in power but it is in name only with each region being it's own thing. Aka a central goverment so weak it is pointless

Loss of critical trade. Nigeria industry is to small to sustain the country. Most cars in Nigeria for example are 2nd hand imports or cars assmbled in country. Nigeria actual Automotive industry being small and still importing a lot of parts. Even area that you think are ok are not with Nigeria still importing a lot of it's refined fuel

So yes i can very much see WW3 leading to a end of Nigeria as a country. Though this is all so depndent on the leader ship. A good leader could keep the country together but it is not a sure thing for any african country. Even South africa could collapse a lot of our industries are depndet on a market to trade with. Africa is all so poorly set up to trade with each other. at least over distance. South africa for example does not have a large oil supply but can refine oil but there no pipe lines from Angola or Nigeria to our refinery so it would have to be ship going back and forth and there no major African shipping company.

So yes ww3 will lead to a end of every african country as we under stand. Now African countries could reform and rebuild so Nigeria could collapse and then reform but to think nigeria would be ok if the world started a mjor world war is a pipe dream.

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some nice pics of the south african IPV

the commander was actually from my intake. She is young

GreenOris:
Glad to know one of the original OG is hale and hearty, i hope you are prospering on where ever or what ever you are doing.

SHARE SOME PICTURES IF YOU HAVE ANY PLEASE.

thanks

jl115:
Taken Today

You can faintly see 2 Lynx helicopters taking part in the exercise

One was a BK

kabe1:
Here you go.

That does not answer any thing though

apc (MRAPs are just APC don't be tricked by a fancy US name) are just metal boxes on tracks or wheels.

And I am more just advising you all not to celebrate to soon. All we have now are pics.

i would need a lot more info on the Ezugwu before I could say it is good or bad. How heavy is it, was is the armor rated at, what is the cargo storage like, how powerful is the engine, extra extra. For now it a metal box on wheels

nemesis8u:
Yes but it ain't that simple though, depends on the tactics.

Eg if I sanitize the airspace of hostile air assets off loading target data etc over my area of operations and also deny comms , then the submarine cannot use his stand off ASHMs against my ships, he will then be forced to seek my ships within range of his own onboard sensors and in return within the range of my ASW assets like SSK , ASW ships which will be part of my outer defence perimeter .

Then things will become more interesting.......

this was built around the idea of a Indian attempted blockade of Pakistan. Meaning a edge to Pakistan airforce in keeping the skies clear. With a Pakistan sub threatening or luring the Indian forces away.



This is not to say India can't raid the Pakistan coast like they have done in the past.

Goel:
Being in Navy doesn't impart the experience of one in military engineering services or a strategist. A reason why common soldiers aren't made defense ministers.

1. SA doesn't have so much naval engagements unlike great powers.
2. SAis irrelevant to our discussion. Submarines planned to be sold to SA being sold to Pakistan doesn't make anything stealth.

Defense ministers are political figures and know nothing of Planing or any thing about the Miltary. They rely on Miltary officials to advise them on these issues



My experience with Indian navy is first hand. We do a annual exersize with India.



When it comes to the corvet side of naval operation south africa has a lot of war time experience

nemesis8u:
Generally subs r very difficult to locate once they arrive at the high seas.

Best option is to trail them from their base , which again is tough ask.

Best option is employing multiple assets and hope for the best

Some info which I wrote long time back in response to a query regarding additional assets sensors in addition to surface / sub surface sonars or aerially deployed sonobouys which r needed for localisation of a hostile sub.

1.MAD magnetic anomaly detector it detects localized changes in earths magnetic field due to presence of submarines ferromagnetic materials and even non ferromagnetic materials. however MAD is used for target localization not target detection.

2.hydro carbon sensor to detect fuel vapors from diesel submarines. even some AIP systems in subs uses scrubbers to remove the fumes before release however depending on the sensitivity of the hydro carbon sensor the byproducts like co2 and other gases can be detected.

3.LIDAR light ranging and detection technology they r specially useful for detecting objects in shallow water but presently it is not capable of large volume searches. however research is going on. LIDAR is very successful in mine hunting systems though.

4.satellites in LEO orbits using SAR or EO payloads can detect the submarine surface wake , submerged submarine trail, underseas wave variations , localized temperature variations etc

5.SQUIDS superconducting quantum interference device that exploits the debye effect ie magnetic signature produced by a submarines wake. a debye detector can detect a submarine trail from a large distance and follow it to localize the sub.

6.underwater acoustic sensors or fiber optic acoustic sensors , these act as trip wires to passing submarines eg. SOSUS

7.airborne EO sensors can detect the submarine periscopes from a considerable distance.

8.airborne radar especially AESA based radars with SAR iSAR modes can detect submarine periscopes from a considerable distance.

Only the Americans have most of the above technologies deployed.

Submarines us south Africa's anserw to any threat by a non African country. Really a sub is big threat to deal with


There are two types of ships

Submarinens and targets