SupremeCourt:


Yes. Google it.

It depends a lot on other factors.

SupremeCourt:


Six su-35 planes from what I hear after asking NAF boys, will defeat any air force in Africa except Egypt, they say its an awac range and capacity fighter jet

No

SupremeCourt:
Sudan has acquired Su-35 Flanker fighter jets from Russia ahead of President Omar Al-Bashir’s visit to Moscow on Thursday. First batch of Su-35 jets were delivered late last week, Sudanese deputy air force commander, Salahuddin Abdul Khaliq Saeed, announced the deal in March. He told Sputnik news agency that the jets will consolidate Sudan’s defenses for protection from any threat. The number of fighters delivered, however, was not released.

— Majid Mohammed Ali Special to Al Arabiya News English - Khartoum, Monday, 20 November 2017

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If the above news is true (Waiting for more reports) then Sudan is now the most powerful air force in Africa after Egypt. Even rafale pilots will fear su-35. Nigeria, South Africa, Ethiopia, sorry for you o!

How about you wait for more details like numbers. I mean 12 SU35s won't change the balance all that much.

ActivateKruger:


There's plenty of fake news currently circulating, including a possible Zambian military intervention to aid Mugabe. As I said, fake news circulating.

One article said Grace was in Namibia.

ActivateKruger:


Don't answer Augustine, you're fueling him

I answered so others may know what is what.

SupremeCourt:
Enlarged with massive recruitment for Boko Haram war 2014-2017, Nigerian armed forced now have salary bill of about $1.5 billion yearly as at 2018. In 2010-2015 the lower number of personnel had salary bills around $1 billion, but FGN defence budget was about $15 billion. It means $10 billion was available for new weapons and equipment procurement to Nigerian army, navy, air force 2010-2015. Please if you have photos of new weapons we bought for $10 billion kindly improve what you post on this thread, we keep seeing the same old weapons. Where is your $10 billion weapons? This thread needs the photos. Thanks.

Personal expense is more than salary.

How much do you think it cost to feed 100000 people, what about manta cents on buildings, medicine all so costs money, then are the cost of manta certain to buildings, electrical bills extra extra. It all adds up.

Then you have cost of conducting operations, you need fuel, spare parts, ammo, spare uniforms, lots of small items like binoculars Witch a good pair costs 200usd and a mill spec costs 400usd, what about batteries to your radios. So I suggest you put more thought in.

Covert1:


T'is not about France, it's about Zimbabwe don't change subject. And no they don't have more combat jets in the region if u mean numbers.

So why did you bring in Nigeria. Any case fact is yes South Africa does not have a massive difference in power over SADC. It not due to a weak South Africa but a strong SADC with multiple big hitters like Angola, Tanzania, Zambia, extra.

Now concerning Zimbabwe, fact is people either don't care about a coup, are happy for it or even support it.

So far there is no justification for a intervention in Zimbabwe. No call for aid or any human right violation.

Covert1:


Nigerians calling me out lol! Listen kid, there are Nigerians and there are Nigerians. So that's not an escape for u neither is calling me Augustine escape. I won't let this pass. Did u hear me? Cowards! That u and ignoramuses here don't know international relations don't mean I'll let it adorn nairaland.

Everything I write is continually validated here day by day only insolent-proud-I-too-know humans here act about it with f.oolery yet go behind to steal points and quote it by other terms here. I have talked on regional powers, what it means and the coercive measures it can bring to bear by various means. So, you are clearly not getting it. Because u're a kid I'll tell you again, now u cancel and remain mediocre as ur retort indicates or sit at the foot of the teacher and learn:

Long story short, you see what happened or is happening in SADC won't happen in ECOWAS, period. Why? Because an Hegemon exists: Nigeria. The states know Nigeria has the military threat dimension which don't necessarily have to be used but just the fact it exists brings Nations into acquiescence of the hegemon. I could draw you a scenario of measures Nigeria could employ in Zimbabwe to determine the outcome it wants and would it act yes it would. Failure to act makes it weaker. That's a regional power. It surreptitiously, covertly, overtly, economically or militarily determines the fate of nations under it's sphere of influence.

AK and indeed others I remember has been drawing for blood in Zimbabwe to show your military might now he's singing a different tune. Next time when a Nigerian talks y'all should just shut up and acknowledge whose your boss. That's the fact.

Here you are babbling nonsense. You think after all the noise you southies make of your capabilities condescending on us at every turn and the opportunity presents itself to prove it and you failed again I'll swallow it hook line and sinker, nah, imma call you out so it's documented. Where's your shiny Gripens? but alas the Zims know you have no combat capability. You can't fight. If you were a threat those Generals would dare not do what they did knowing the consequences. What happened in your backyard won't happen here and everyone knows it but the bias of ur media cousins especially bbc would have us read a different narrative to make SA still appear relevant in power dynamics but would never give Nigeria it's due. No, you are not.

One phone call from a Nigerian General and any officer planning a coup in sub-Saharan Africa will think twice and stand down.

I can't continue to indulge a kid. Oya cancel and get a jolt to your veins. The point has been made. SA military power and regional claim only exists on paper. Covert has been validated again and will be validated again.

LOL the biggest power in your neck of the wood is France and every one knows it.

ActivateKruger:


Actually I'm surprised they use tracked APCs and I see some are amphibious as well, I wonder what their doctrine is. Then you got reputable news agencies calling them tanks.

China is one of the only guys that deal with Zim and Zim is poor.

So bam they get old chic stuff

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product983.html

I am surprised a lot of people here are surprised Zimbabwe has tracked APC and IFV. I mean they are listed to operate them.

All you guys saying why does south africa not step in to Zimbabwe forget one thing. Is it in South Africa's interest to do that.

ActivateKruger:


The downside with this manoeuvre is that the Leo can't come up the hill (or go down) again until friendlies clear the whole valley because on its second appearance it will be smoked.


Noticed how soldiers were in open trenches, no artillery or mortar or snipers from the opponents?

Not really. It would not be the only tank, the next tank to pop up over would be a different tank.



There where no openet it just training. But Finland would not build massive forts I mean there entire army is built to fight Russia.

O here are some numbers.

Finland population is 5.5 million, they have 26000 in the defence force, 250 000 in the active reserve 750 000 in reserve and another 1 million trained. So in war 2/5 there population is ready to fight. Now that's a country that takes defence seriously.

tdayof:

Their protection level probably starts at IIIA and then IV. A level IV body armor will surely stop a III right? So I guess nothing much, not like the capability is being lacked.

IV can be rather big or one use in some case. III is a good middle ground

tdayof:



Why is there no lever IIIA?

auto correct was on my phone. Why No III, level IIIA is for high end pistols and IV is amor piercing rifel level. III is the most common for mill purpose since it is Assault rifle level.

Why no level III armor. I mean IIIA. I mean that the level most countries operate at?

patches689:


Because its in the dry bush-veldt - a flame thrower would set everything on fire and your entire battle-feild would turn into a raging inferno, which would end up being a major headache for BLUFOR as well as OPFOR.

That was the one issue, other issue is it would just burn a small patch killing g less than if a bomb was used and not stopping people going around it. It a great tool for jungle warfare not for Bush or desert warfare.

patches689:


Flame throwers are illegal.

Russians get around it because TOS systems and Shmel RPG's are thermabolic, which is not expressly prohibited.

I question the effectiveness of TOS because after brief appearances on the field in Iraq and Syria (both of whom actually own them) they very quickly disappeared from the front - while the classic MRLS with HE warheads remain ubiquitous.

Shmel is obviously a nifty niche weapon - Engineers getting rid of pesky bunkers. But as a niche weapon, I dont see a place for it in Africa.

Here, the worlds most exhausted Russian demonstrates the Shmel for us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nKIJChgFvs

Flame throwers are not illegal that myth stems from a poor under standing of the laws of armed conflict. In short you can't use them in populated civilian areas. Flame throws are bested suited in close combat and most close combat is in built up civilian areas. But they very much legal and in use with a few contries like China.


The TOS are in few numbers so they probably cost a lot to use. Combined with limited range and you see why they not used often. They mean to basically blast a area before it is attacked.

All so the SMAW system all so fires a thermobaric round, along with the RPG 7 and other launchers.

kikuyu1:


Exactly what was the problem,considering Frantam performed well?

Poorly suited to African warfare and other options like red phosphorus.

kikuyu1:
Napalm,anyone?

Idk why we don't use this primo area weapon? Not as a flame thrower-too heavy and unwieldy! We use cluster bombs and ordinary dumb bombs in Africa apart from the Rhodies who had their own version called Frantam,which was thickened petroleum jelly mixed with aluminum flakes. The latest version ,Napalm B,shown here in the treeline,burns hotter and longer.

https://www.thebalance.com/napalm-still-used-as-a-weapon-3345094

Haiyya! It seems Naij used it against the Ibos!
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Napalm


I hear Russia has a version that melts brick!?

SA tested in back in the border war and droped it, was not as effective in the African bush

patches689:


Pity we didnt go for some vehicle mounts for the star-streak as well.

What happened to the litte-guyes on the buffel chassis?

the LML is meant to be static or mounted to a vehicle. 1 day could have a feild work shop ,mount them on a toyata, casspir what ever.


the 20mm aa guns where phased out and replaced by the zsu23-2

patches689:


Wait, you guys make the Tavor?

Nigeria uses a a lot of wepaons from AK, FN, Tavour, extra extra. Made in a lot of countries. The fire arms made in Nigeria are AK style, FAL copies, G3 copies, BM 59 copies, for rifels, the all so make a M12 SMG copy and a HI POWER for a pistol. they all so make FN mag and RPG,s. Though to be honest i wonder how much they make of each. I suspect they focus on the AK,s and the rest as needed. Either way Nigeria is finaly able to make domestic small arms.

patches689:


They are two separate harbors

Yellow - civilian
Red- military

The only SANDF or SAN vessel normally moored outside the military zone is the SAS Protea, our hydro-graphic vessel

Some civlian ships use the naval dock yard. These include Fish trawlers, Tugs, cargo ships, supply ships, research ships, private boats, extra. Though the number is low and the ships are handled by the SAN. And there is a lot of paperwork that is needed.

all so to the right of the yellow zone there is a second smaller area where the NAVY keeps small craft.

lionel4power:

There has to be some safe distance between civvies boats and your navy's prized possession.

As a safety measure.

Civil-Military relationships can easily deteriorate,

Why? I mean we oen the ships to guided tours when in civilian ports. If the port is not safe we dont use use it or we make it safe.

patches689:


35mm Oelikon 102 GDF-002 + 48 modified GDF-005 units - being upgraded to Skysheild (project should be finished)
8 starstreak MANPADS + Thales Page continuous-wave (CW) low-observable battery air defence local warning radars
4 ESR220 Thutlwa radar
14 Thales Squire radar system (not sure if they are intergrated)

and... ~30 ZU-23-2 mounted on a SAMIL 100 truck (I think those may have been sold to Nigeria), some have armored cabins.

As you can see, strategic Air-Defence has never been a real imperative for the SANDF - even GBADS seems focused on building tactical capablities (defending a specific key position)

The * srarstreaks menstioned are not manpands but triple launcher LML systems. Actualy Manpad versions are not the same.


The ZSU-23-2 where not sold they still very much in use in SA though they where briifly removed, used by the Special forces and removed again they back with ADA to provide a mobile AA gun sytem. As far as i know all in serves have armored Mine proofed cabs

lionel4power:

Not a good idea during conflict. Terrorists frogmen can attach a bomb at the hull at night.

SA not at conflict and we have different actions we do depending on threat level.

lionel4power:
why do your MOD allow civvies to Moor their boats alongside your frigate. don't you guys have like a military section at the port?

We have 2 naval bases and a few stations but there is no miltray section at civilian harbor unless we clear the Area for a purpose.

newafricaken254:
may be you need to ask your mother that question

She said it because you have no facts so you using misdirection and personal attacks to hide your failures.

I come back and people are pulling the racism and race card? Since when did we get Infiltrated by social justice warriors.

tdayof:


Why are you this dumb? Minister of internet military affairs. Afofun gbemi.


Please get off my mention.

Seeing how this thread is dedicated to Miltary matters it would be a good idea to you know, not speak out your assss

tdayof:


Go back and read. When someone said a decent military. In his context we all know what he's talking about.

The two actual members of the SANDF never insulted the nation. Simply pointed out they where not following good convoy practices.

newafricaken254:
and you FVCKING P@G

How is this a insult.

newafricaken254:
i thought casspirs were so impressive they can't get stuck in congo,DRC.Then i saw this indian army trucks in south sudan

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1I--cg8bXg

And look there is a guy standing out side of the trucks on the side. Again only you said it was stuck.