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RichyBlack,

You can still retire at 50 after seeing your last child out of uni. However it pre-supposes that you did family planning in a way that your last child was born when you were 27 - 29 so the child is a graduate and can run his/her own show by 21 - 23.
You should also take care to not allow the kids become over-dependent on daddy & mummy growing up in all ways, including financially, otherwise they may miss out some of the important life lessons.

nwando:
I dream of having boreholes dug at my village so that people can have clean water at no cost and I know that will happen in the near future.
That is the cause dearest to my heart.

May God hasten to fulfil this desire of your heart- Amen

@ nwando,

you are doing very well, especially wanting to retire at 50. i hope you are also looking at what you will do with the free time when you do retire. You may want to share the pathway you have followed to financial success with others then in the form of a book, seminars etc, etc especially as you seem to be doing that already with friends et al.
you said something about mutual funds and investing in the depressed US economy that is spreading round the world. If you are not currently diversified into bonds (fixed income debt instruments) you may speak with your assigned financial advisor to see what advantages it may hold out for your portfolio.
moreover, when seeking out sales, you may help yourself by going for high end products because 60% savings on $100 product is more beneficial than on $50 although it also depends on what your size is, as those in the modal range find it more difficult to get good sales. meanwhile you can be sure people, including yourself notice the quality difference.
best wishes.

engineerd:
i love nigeria! God bless nigeria and no matter what i still believe in nigeria, i have no choice but to believe, that one day, we shall overcome all our problems, where else can i call home

just wondering where the 1st hausa/yoruba/igbo/ijaw/edo etc (wo)man to settle in what is now geographically known as Nigeria would call home
lamurudu or is oduduwa were said to have come from the Middle east or somewhere in that direction so can a yoruba man really really claim Nigeria as home?
how about about our distant cousins, offsprings of our great uncles & aunties that our forebears caught and sold as slaves to the white men for bottles of alcoholic drinks, some wraps of clothing, guns and ammunition to catch even more where will these great cousins call home

Worse still we pray and do the very things that are opposed to our prayers.
Imagine a pastor/i'mam who says he is praying for Nigeria's progress and greatness, yet blessing the 10th mansion of a PHCN official who has given him air tickets abroad severally, given the church/m'osque super size generators and owns many luxury vehicles that his remuneration as Director in 20years cannot buy.
Hypocrisy & self deceit of the highest level.
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Ebonyj:
so I will go back and my knees and pray to Baba God to give me better understanding.

As you pray kindly also read your Bible, particularly the 4 Gospels and how the Apostles who lived with Christ conducted the affairs of the early Church. That should be the standard with which we compare ANY church today that claims to be CHRISTian.
Most importantly, always read at least 3-5 verses of any scripture quoted to you by anyone to properly understand the full context of the quoted verse to avoid being misled.
Shalom.
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1 Tim6: 6-12

almondjoy:
Nigerians just need to learn to follow rules and go through the appropriate channels instead of acting like bloody illiterates which they are really.

Thanks a lot for the above.
The day someone brings up a petition against the olopas wey dey kill people for here just because im no give bribe, i go sign well well.
or petition against NNPC wey dey sell adulterated kerosene wey dey burn people, some to death, i will surely sign.
or petition the LG councillors for not keeping streets and gutters clean to reduce infectious and deadly diseases, then i will sign very happily.
or petition against PHCN and its phony contractors wey chop OUR $16 or 10 or 5billion as we dey jolly for darkness unlimited, then i go sign.
ETC! ETC!! ETC!!!
e no make sense to me to dey take panadol when i no sey na malaria wey i get dey produce headache.
until then no shaking

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=126441.msg2154845#msg2154845

I still dey ask wetin be the role of the Nigeria High Commission for Britain abi they are not on our payroll?

He be like sey we too like make gra gra for oyinbo people.
all this I go write CEO, go court go claim right sef.
why una no organise go write for Bellview, ADC, Sosoliso, NCAA, NEMA wey kill innocentes for negligence
all the okada, danfo and molue drivers wey olopa dey harass for bribes and even dey kill wetin una do
ordinary trader for market also dey see pepper for this yawaa authority people wetin una do
una no sabi email addy, telephone #s or physical addy of these authority people wey dey slap una daily una still dey hail them baba rere baba ke
na so so oyinbo system wey dey correct we fit dey hala. i guess na principle of Area of Low Resistance (ALR) wetin yoruba people say eni a le mu l'an ledi mo.
make we realise sha sey oyinbo people no just arrive this lawful state overnight but na so them fight for am wey we dey go dia go make noise we no fit fight our own make he for better.
make we siddon dia dey wait oyinbo to show us respect wey we no fit earn.

I am sure all those crying BOYCOTT, send email to BA CEO etc should consider what happens daily in Lagos and all over Nigeria.
Drivers and conductors are beaten, some even killed by our policemen for not paying bribes. Meanwhile, the passengers dare not intervene. How many of such situations have we witnessed or read about? What have we done?
Why can't we use the same energy we have displayed on this BA matter to write to Mike Okiro, the state CPs, DPOs and our political representatives to deal with such erring policemen Yet we expect oyinbo make im respect us even when they are aware sey we no get liver to confront our own civil servants who oppress us daily with impunity.

BTW, there is no mention of the Nigerian High Commission in Britain.
I guess that if our government cannot be bothered about our welfare at home it is pointless expecting them to bother when we are being deported.

One of the comments to the story on NVS- by ILN TOO
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Villagers,

Before we start playing the race card, I think it is good for us to just look introspectively at ourselves and ask ourselves what is wrong. What happened to Ayo was clearly unacceptable and I will advise him to seek redress through the appropriate legal channels. From his account, Ayo seemed to have addressed the situation in a calm, dignified and mature manner. And we must commend him for that.

But I can tell you that the behaviour of many Nigerians on international flights leaves a lot to be desired and it is very difficult not to conclude that we deserve the sort of treatment we get from foreign airlines. I am saying this because of my personal experience on a flight to Abuja.

I was on a BA flight to Abuja from Heathrow last December on my trip to Nigeria for the Christmas holidays. And there was a cacophonous din in the cabin after passengers have boarded the aircraft. It was an unedifying spectacle: quite a number of passengers had boarded the aircraft with oversized hand baggage that would not just fit into the luggage rack and it was one hell of a job for the cabin crew who were desperately trying to sort out the mess to ensure that we left on time. There were serious altercations with a lot of passengers shouting and yelling and kicking and screaming without the least concern for other passengers including yours truly whose basic right to a comfortable and peaceful flight was being infringed on. It was absolutely embarrassing as many grown up people were behaving like ill-mannered children. And the cabin crew were very helpless; you’ve just got to pity them, I just couldn’t figure out what they would be thinking. But I would not expect them to suppose, going by that embarrassing spectacle, that Nigeria is bursting with cultured and civil citizens. And the noise continued throughout the pre-flight safety briefing. There was an attempt by the cabin crew to suppress the noise but that proved hopelessly futile and they just had to get on with it despite the noise.

I regularly take the BA flights from Heathrow to Seattle Tacoma and also from Heathrow to Munich but I have never experienced anything like the rowdy behaviour of the unruly and uncouth Nigerian passengers to Abuja. As a Nigerian that was always quick to leap into the defence of Nigeria and Nigerians, I can tell you that I was absolutely disappointed at the behaviour of my compatriots. I was later told that on Lagos flights, the situation is even worse.

I can therefore empathise with the BA cabin crew when they treat us with disdain. I honestly believe it will be too much to expect to be treated respectfully and courteously when we don’t accord the same respect and courtesy to others.

Despite all that happened on that flight, I believe that the cabin crew were a lot more courteous in their dealings with passengers than what I experienced in domestic Nigerian flights. My experience was that our domestic cabin crew were uncultured, arrogant and full of nasty surprises for passengers. No one is defending the attitude of BA but with all due respect to patriotic villagers, Nigeria cannot manage an indigenous carrier, a feat achieved by the likes of Kenya and Ethiopia.

The problem is that all the 'other airlines' treat nigerians with the same level of disdain. fundamentally, it is something wrong with us and not the airlines!!!
ILN TOO – calling on all villagers to exercise some level of self introspection.

most of us naijas cannot understand that respect is earned not given as in dash.
let's look around us from our cities down to our villages, does our values suggest any respect for human dignity
meanwhile we sabi make gra gra when we reach where dem value humans and have working law enforcement institutions.
how many nigerians have been in planes at home where they are treated with complete disdain yet did we complain or call for boycott? recently there was some fighting on a naija plane because a passenger would not switch off his mobile before take-off. when u are on a plane heading for naija from abroad you will notice the general rowdiness compared to other routes and have to pinch yourself to not tell people to respect the public space in the plane. na so you go think sey u dey inside molue for lagos.
we need to get our act right at home first - charity can only start at home.
meanwhile the british immigration should seriously consider private planes for deporting people in groups as we work out our image from within.

PurestBoy:
Has anyone heard of Oluwafemi, O'Shady & Tony Tigana in Lagos? They are the best Nigerian Designer

Who dem be?
Contacts, web sites?

Na so Mbeki deny say AIDS dey for im country even as 100s of thousands were dying after im talk sey na poverty dey cause AIDS no be HIV infection.
So no surprise if im talk sey political crisis no dey for Zim, especially as people no dey protest the delay or riot.
Moreover we should not ignore the old ANC ties to Mugabe in the apartheid/pre-independence era of their countries.

liftedone:
Christ made an improvement of the law and the prophets by his additions and explications and commands nothing now which was forbidden either by the law of nature or the moral law, nor forbids those things which the laws had enjoined.
It is a great mistake to think that he does.

Just in case my last post on Hebrews 7 including reference to the transition from priest-leaders to kings is not enough to show you that God is the unchangeable changer, you may want to study John 4, Christ's conversation with the Samarittan woman particularly on place of worship:

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

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1 Cor.10: 24

Personally, I like the African print designs worn by Mandela, Gbago (Ivory Coast) and sometimes Kagame (Rwanda). They look very distinguished, albeit in a relaxed, almost casual manner.

how do we expect oyinbo people to respect us when for our own country sef we no dey respect ourselves.
see what a whole king, presumably educated, does to his subjects:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-125856.0.html

oyb,

i can understand your cynicism. but then we need to break out of the vicious cycle somehow and no politician will do it for us of his own volition.
poster's idea is just one thing to be tried.
I guess the saudi govt. does not collect taxes (sometimes called royalties) from the oil companies there on behalf of its people?

the poster's idea is very valid in as much as it is paid to the local authorities who pay a portion to the next level of government till the apex. this is not like what is happening with VAT, whereby Lagos collects e.g. 10b, Kano collects 2b, Enugu 1b and they share Lagos 5b, Kano 5b, Enugu 3b and this has nothing to do with Lagosians consent or not, get the drift?
this is what happened up to the invasion of the military in politics in 1966 and the QUALITY of life for everyone was much better than today despite the oil revenues.
as he said when you give money for a service/product, the PROBABILITY of your demanding accountability is greater than when you have not given any money. have you noticed how europeans & americans are generally more involved about their governance/politics than we are?
in today's naija, the government does not go after individual taxes vigorously because it is easier for them to collect the federal allocation. so if you ask the gorvernor or LG chair on infrastructures or manifesto promises, them fit respond say no be your money im dey spend. meanwhile he cannot receive any farthing but based on the population - i.e.you & i. Even yara cannot receive anything (taxes) from the oil companies if he does not have the mandate of the 140m nigerians, whether obtained by hook or crook.
you may say things are not that simple, however this mindset is the framework on which you can add other complexities & variables.
@ Seun,
you mind explaining how a society/community can provide common services -education, electricity, potable water, law enforcement, defence of territorial integrity etc- without taxation (in whatever form)?

@poster,

why don't you use the same energy to ask Naija leaders to stop treating us -those they supposedly represent- as animals
meanwhile get a good lawyer to negotiate with BA.

Image,

I don't think the need to obtain money from the congregation by all means should lead anyone to misinterprete the scriptures and mislead gullible Christians who cannot read the Bible themselves.
Your response to the inheritance question is definitely off the mark. Please check the meaning of inheritance and the sharing of Canaan land in the Bible.
When you quote Malachi: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, you conveniently forget that it is based on Deuteronmy 14: 28-29

28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Has it ever occured to you that the rebuke addressed to the Levites in Malachi is due to non-adherence to God's instruction above. Hence the cancellation of tithing by Christ's advent, death & resurrection? I hope you know God as the unchangeable changer. He had priests rule over Israel but gave them kings starting with Saul, just as an example.

Furthermore, this practice of sharing with the less fortunate is what the Apostles continued in Acts 2 verse 45:

And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to ALL men, as every man had need.

Notice that there is no mention of tithes, rather they gave up all knowing their needs will be taken care of honestly, in line with Christ's teaching.

Hebrews 7 from verse 1 clearly talks about the practice of giving a tithe starting with Abraham's to Melchidezek. Thus when Paul says in verse 12:
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law

it can only be in reference to tithes.

@ Image,

Would you also be kind enough to answer these questions?

anonimi:
1. Did Jesus preach about and/or collect tithes?
2. Did the Apostles preach about/collect tithes?
3. Did Paul, very learned in Jewish laws, preachabout and/or collect tithes?

chisco82:
Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm.
This is all i have to say,but only God knows the truth.

Those who believe this type of Christian doctine above should prayerfully go through the link below:

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/mywritings/authority.html

Read the Bible yourself and get your personal Holy Spirit led interpretation instead of being hoodwinked into eternal condemnation.
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Jeremiah 9: 23-24

detruth,

what question did you pose that has not been answered? If you mean it has not been answered the way you want it, then that is something else altogether. Please clarify.

@ all,

1. Did Jesus preach about and/or collect tithes?
2. Did the Apostles preach about/collect tithes?
3. Did Paul, very learned in Jewish laws, preachabout and/or collect tithes?

The strategy of putting Christians in a tithes guilt trap is not only baseless but also very dangerous to those who are misleading and conning others to pay and sometimes steal to pay as well as those who are too lazy to read their Bibles to gain a Holy Spirit led understanding of biblical principles themselves.
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Jeremiah 9: 23-24

Related topic?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-119232.0.html

Culled from The Guardian 06-April-2008
By Reuben Abati
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Managers of the Deji of Akure's public relations have a lot of explaining to do, and the traditional ruler himself owes some people an apology. Oba Oluwadare Adesina Adepoju, acting under the auspices of the Deji in council was said to have asked a cement dealer to quit the business or stop making business difficult for his colleagues. David Oluwole Alasoniyi, a cement dealer in Akure was reportedly taken to the Oba's palace after his colleagues in the business had made all attempts to get him to sell a bag of cement to the public at a higher and fixed rate.

Alasoniyi sells his own bag of cement for N1, 600 while other members of the Cement Dealers Association in Akure operating as a cartel sell at the rate of N1, 800 or N2, 000 per bag. His colleagues prevailed on him to join the cartel. But he refused. Whereupon they reported him to the Oba noting that he is not an indigene of Akure, and he is "spoiling business for others". Alasoniyi told the Deji in Council that he had lived in Akure for 30 years, and that he is happy selling a bag of cement at N1, 600, because at that rate, he has made enough profit. He told the Oba in council that he is not ready to engage in sharp practices like other cement dealers in the town. He was accompanied to the trial by his wife.

And what was the Oba's ruling? A report in The Guardian of Wednesday, April 2, states as follows: "In his ruling, the monarch urged Alasoniyi to consider the fact that other dealers have families to feed and although he could not be forced to join the association in accordance with the provision of freedom of association guaranteed by the Constitution of Nigeria, he should not engage in acts that would be detrimental to the survival of others. Oba Adepoju ruled that Alasoniyi should henceforth sell at the same price with others in the interest of peace and harmony or quit the business entirely." The petitioners immediately broke into a round of jubilation, dancing and singing; Alasoniyi told The Guardian later that "he had no option but to abide by the Oba's ruling."

It is an unbelievable story but no one has denied it. Is the Deji Akure more concerned about cement dealers making evil profit? How about the numerous struggling families in his domain who are trying to build houses, but are being cheated by greedy cement dealers? Alasoniyi should have been praised for his honesty and the cement dealers ordered to behave decently. Unfortunately, there are no opportunities for appeal in the Oba's court. And poor Alasoniyi, he has been blackmailed to join the company of cheats. Where is the Consumer Protection Council? And where are the people of Akure? And who will tell His Royal Majesty that he is absolutely wrong?

Accessibilty for original CDs, VCDs & DVDs is one big headache in Naija. When you want originals for the local artistes and films it is so difficult to get.
It is a pity the artistes and filmmakers cannot get their distribution/marketing right.

Blackcat:
There is "availability of legal recourse in Nigeria" it depends on where you live and how much you are ready to pay to get it.

Or is it free in other countries?

I hope you know that contracting mobile police, soldiers etc to "roughen up" your aggressor is NOT legal recourse. Rather it only aggravates our abuse of civil and law enforcement processes.

I think the soja mentality that we had to live with for almost 30 years (till 1999) may have done a lot of damage on our sense of being civil, corteous, considerate and respectful to others.
The Naija show of bigness is the extent to which you can break the law and get away with it. This includes how far you can "oppress" the other person.
In short, your Big Man Index (BMI) is directly proportional to your LawLessness Index (LLI). I doubt if any rigorous sociology research will not confirm such correlation.
Let's hope that with democracy, growth of genuine civil society advocacy groups,increased morality sermons from our religious organisations and our active discussions there may be positive change- Amen.