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justwise:
The U k gives you the opportunity to work if you have what it takes, again why did you not go to those countries where job opportunities and residency is guaranteed?

Duh! That is kinda what the thread is about, uncle. Now I believe saouri, you are just doing this for attention! You’re literally contradicting yourself all in one thread.

And no, the UK doesn’t give you the opportunity to work, that’s a fact, as organisations have limited slots for foreigners and pay huge taxes to keep the foreigners, so organisations would rather use the slots for experienced professionals.

Don’t believe me, that’s fine, argue with me when you do a master’s between 2014 and 2017! And if you don’t like my fact, come and beat me in my house!

justwise:
You should have done that before coming to the UK to waste your money and time

Yeah I should have, that’s why I’m advising others to rethink.

Understood? Good!

TWoods:
The problem is that the entire thread was pointless in the first place. The thread started as a screed about how England has restricted access to the job market for international students who have spent millions to acquire an education... hmmm when did England owe you the right to live and work within its borders? Hasn't that ALWAYS been clearly spelled out during the visa application process?

Aren’t you in America or the UK already? That’s probably why you don’t understand the thread, but don’t worry, The people that the message is intended for are now completely aware that the UK owes them nothing, so now they can go back to the drawing board and assess whether studying in the UK only to return to nigeria to count cars is really worth it.

I’m basically reiterating what the visa says to people- “study visa not work visa”!

Have a lovely night rest sir.

justwise:
So you are guaranteed a job in Nigeria after graduation?

At least I would use up 1 million for a masters (worse case scenario) and save the remaining 7 million for a business in Nigeria. That way, I would even become a provider of labour.

Now, do you understand what the thread truly is about? Tbf, I’m not sure I care anymore if you do, because it’s pretty obvious you want to misconstrue the intentions of this thread.

Since the UK govt owes us nothing, let my people sit at home or go to a country that will allow them work. The UK should keep its education to itself.

justwise:
Study in Nigeria where you are guaranteed a job after graduation.

*holds mic* THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING!

justwise you are far smarter than this! Isn’t this what we have been saying since?, “Don’t go to the UK cos you can’t work without a sponsorship, go elsewhere!”

I’m really tired of the pointless argument!

BossLaifay:
But isn't this what the OP is trying to say? Why all this argument?

I’m telling you! I’ve just decided to ignore. Really tired of the arguments.

claremont:
Let me add a sprinkle of optimism into this debate as a summary for aspiring international students.

If you have studied or are studying in fields such as Medicine, Dentistry, Pharmacy, Nursing, IT (all specializations), Engineering (some specialized areas), the UK would provide you the same excellent job opportunities as every other developed country e.g US, Australia etc. It's also an added advantage if you already have your immigration status sorted, so companies know they don't need to go through the additional hassle of sponsoring you. However, if you are in the above disciplines and you haven't got a work permit or some form of visa without work restrictions, the likelihood of an employer sponsoring you is very high. I'm in one of those disciplines and I'm yet to see anyone who studied any of those fields unemployed. The few I know who are not permanently employed are employed as locum by umbrella agencies and their rate of pay is even much higher than those permanently employed.

So, there you go lads. Change IS coming though, the Labour Party (when we WIN the next election) will introduce the Canadian style points system for all international students. A 3-year automatic UK post study visa for all international students is doable in the UK!

Where are all those people that said they UK doesn’t owe nobody anything? Watch and see, they will relax their laws when they noticed that they aren’t getting as much students trooping in, especially with the brexit. Very soon the post study will return and they might adopt the points based system like the post above declares.

I’m tired of all these arguments. If you don’t like the thread, no problem, the advice is not meant for everything, the ones that need the advice have learned and left.

erico2k2:
OK, Im sure people with BSc COmp Science are in the House,let us wait for them to tell us how thier BSc will fit into these software prost listed (My Room mate back in the days at ESUTH was studying computer Science)I see his hand outs and text unless Im missing smthing
On your 2nd question someone stated there are more post in the skills shortfalls than in teh Medical side of it but from that list you can tell thats false.
PS Aphrodite007 has MSC in this field, Im sure She can tell us more, She did not even use this as a means to try and come to the UK, she is applying via her hubby as we speak!

Everything related to IT is computer science. Everything. So with a BSc (which is naturally meant to be the only degree one should get), you can work as anything in the field of IT provided you are skilled in it or have certifications to prove knowledge of it. You don’t need to see COmputer Scientist as a job, but all he It jobs would request for CS as a pre-requisite.

Just like medicine, you don’t need an MSc to specialise in any computing field.

TWoods:
I’m confused as to why we think the UK must provide us with job opportunities after an expensive education. We were not forced to study there... we contributed nothing to the infrastructure that attracts us to go there. They want their country to better serve their own citizens and are under no obligation to compensate you for the poor state of your own country.

You are right, thanks for your opinion. They don’t owe anybody anything. So I’ll just tell people that there are no jobs in the UK after study so they reconsider their decision to study in the UK.

Good? Good!

Cheers.

Olalekank:
I pray make he whistle no blow o.
Oga mi. Thank you bro. I can get certification in the two self, I'm doing project management as a course this semester and it makes sense.

Which standard and internationally recognized certification can I get for
Project Management and Security.

For project Mgt, a prince2 is all you need if you intend to work in the UK (or EU) but if you intend to work in Nigeria, the americas or Oceania, you will need a PMP not prince2. Google these certifications.

For security, just google that but work towards getting a CISA, it’s gold for system/business analysts who want to enter into enterprise architecture.

justwise:
lol..another ignorant post from you, she is not even married to anybody let alone somebody with papers.

She got her Msc here in the UK and applied for job here without leaving the country.

You refused to do your homework.

Yes you will search for ages to come across a Jamaican foreign student in any university in the UK, very very insignificant number of them.


Me stating that does not make me a bigot, maybe you need to have a hard look at yourself.

Saouri sorry but you got it wrong here, just a bit. Barclay actually sponsor, heck all the banks in the UK sponsor yeah, they even employ 2.2 sometimes. The issue is them having a sponsorship slot for the prospective graduate staff. So Justwise is a bit right on this one, however your sentiments are valid, even if she was able to get in, it doesn’t mean a lot of people do, they could have had just one slot for a graduate and she must have excelled above her counterparts.

Also as the years go by, this brexit will force them to employ more foreigners than usual, because the EU people are leaving hence more jobs for foreigners.

Olalekank:
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Thank you. I'd reconsider it. I'm just scared that they would remove the two years post study before I graduate (I would be finishing next year).

I was also aware of the two years post study but I hope it is not a coax just like the UK own.

My course of study is Computer Science

My dear you can’t do anything, it’s heir country and their laws. Your own is just to pray that you get it before the whistle is blown.

You’re in IT so be rest assured that you are in demand in a lot of countries. Just focus on finishing first. Even if all the countries turn you down, Nigeria will welcome you. (But God will not let it get to the point of depending on Nigeria )

Little advice, try and get a security certification, project management cert, or BA cert if you are not programming savvy.

justwise:
A very close friend with less than 3yrs experience was able to get a job with Barclays bank in their IT department, she got her first job before the current one with absolutely no experience in IT field apart from her Msc qualification.

You don't generalize, foreign students do get a job after graduation in the UK.

That girl is a guru! My regards to her please. I wrote their numerical tests and all I could think of was “are you bleeping kidding me?!!”. I closed the page Cos my expertise pays double what she’s earning in Barclays.

Anyway, you do realise that every company has a limited number of people they can sponsor yeah? So what if the time I’m applying is when they suddenly need experienced professionals, would they pick me instead of them?

The point I’m trying to make is that provided you need to be sponsored, there’s a 1% chance of getting the job. Now that I don’t need sponsorship, how come I’m suddenly getting nocticed by employers? I just believe that if it's extremely difficult to get a job in the UK after school, people that hoped on getting a job should study else where. Shikena

erico2k2:
They are, however They are core subjects on their own.These You have to add by the sides.Question is this, Do you as an International student have these options?I could be a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer,A web developer, etc with no BSC or MSC even a game developer ,This was my point,I have not come past a vacancy for a Computer Science Holder.
PLZ go here and be enlightened a bit
http://www.visabureau.com/uk/shortage-occupations-list.aspx

Ogaa o.

Don’t worry about us in IT, we dont look for “computer science” job. We know what to look for.

willy2000:
Dude i dey shame for you....... who are system analyst, web developers and programmers? Are they not computer science graduates ?

Baba I tire o

erico2k2:
I know waht STEM is,
Asking me if I was drunk is gross disrespect on your part when you do not have a clue of what is being said.I boldly said COMPUTER SCIENCE, not a programer or a system analyst or web developer.
Im talking COMPUTER SCIENCE or was it not that which you replied to?

I don’t believe this! What course do system analysts, programmers and web devs do as a first degree?

Now come, let me School you so you don’t embarrass yourself outside. Computing (or comp sci) is the umbrella course for ALL IT degrees. You study Computing as a first degree then deviate/specialise with certifications or a masters degree. No University teaches system analysis or web development as a bachelor’s degree, sir. So no, Computing is on the shortage list sir.

erico2k2:
Bro I nor know your line of argument, Im saying exactly same as you are saying,.If you plan to come to the UK study and gain employment afterwards, study something that will land you a JOB, not Biz Admin, COmp Science or Public Admin

Computer science? Uncle are you drunk? Do you know what STEM is? Check the UK shortage list, there are more IT-related jobs in the shortage list than even medical jobs.

Don’t come and say what you don’t know, please! Everywhere in the world, IT is on the shortage list, is it not Computing you study to become and IT pro? Abeg o!

LaudableXX:
Here...you deserve a chilled glass of Origin! Keep up the good work!

https://www.brandessencenigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/guinness-origin-zero-brandessence2.jpg

Uncle please keep your orange juice (a.k.a non-alcoholic drink), I want the real origin biko.

justwise:
How do you know that?

Because you still have faith in the shortage list. Lol, that’s so ‘80s . Don’t mind me! The shortage list works for experienced pros. Now that sponsorship is hard to give, they don’t keep it for graduates work less than 3 years work experience.

If you think I’m lying, let’s do this, if you know someone that has less than 3 years work experience in a STEM field that got a job and isn’t being sponsored by the NHS, that did heir master’s in the UK and graduated between 2015 and now, please tell them to come and enlighten us. It will be an honour to meet such a guru!

justwise:
A thread about snake gets more likes than this thread.

even you too, are you not amazed at how animals are robbing us? on a brighter note, just got back from the filling station and there are no queues anymore, God be praised

[quote author=dubbiskelly post=65352051][/quote]Ok I understand.

Some of us didn’t need to write IELTS Cos our WAEC hep’d us, so a lot of wannabe nurses had to write the IELTS.

Please check your time frame, you got your job 4 years ago yeah, did it occur to you that maybe, just maybe, the system gets tougher as the years go by?

The only way to remain in the UK is if you go back for a PhD (lol you will just get 3 more years) or you marry a citizen. The OP should be commended for even warning people about getting married just for papers cos not many people use the PhD route.

saouri:
You are trying so hard here ☺
Start another thread please!!!
Unfollow this post.
Nobody is asking you to remain here.

Take your opinion to another thread.

Nobody is misinforming anybody here.
Facts have been stated. Many other people who have fallen victim have identified.

Enjoy your UK life. Leave this post alone!!!

Whoa! Easy boss, abeg no vex. Na justwise o. Please relax, he is just trying to ensure the thread isn’t misleading. If anything, we are all saying the same thing only that his own has small k-leg.

Please let’s not be rude to anyone ok. See I’m solidly behind you and again God bless you for the thread, but take am easy abeg.

justwise:
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No, is either you deliberately refused to understand what i'm saying or you are just being mischievous.

My message to anybody planning to the UK to read read and read, plan BEFORE you decided to come to the UK, know what you are entitled to, don't start crying and regretting coming to the UK after you might have invested the money already.

If i'm getting paid by the number of Nigerian students coming to the UK to study i would have been pretty rich by now..i mean really loaded.

I know right! You’d truly be very rich, with the number of Nigerians flocking into the UK. I was a student advisor for my school, I was shocked to see almost 40 Nigerians in my uni, when I went to welcome them. That was during the recession o! In my mind I was wondering where they got the money to pay the tuition from. When I moved closer to them, I found out that they were actually people that hustled to get the money, with big hopes that they would work afterwards.

My heart broke for them. Some of us can get away with spending that amount of money, but some can’t cos they probably borrowed it with a promise to return it after getting a job or even used up their parents life savings.

This is why I’m even very passionate about this thread.

justwise:
Nothing here is new, infact this sort of thread springs up in this section almost yearly and still people still make the same mistake.

I will bring up similar thread somebody started here last year.

Nobody should get tired of warning people. I’m Social Media Savvy and I had no idea about a lot of things till I came to nairaland- like information is here, I’m even inspired to write about how online communities are saving lives!

But understand that a lot of people still aren’t on nairaland and that a lot of people sign up everyday. They may not know and now they know. If we aren’t making sense, this thread would have gotten the amount of likes and attention that it’s getting, I mean a whole justwise is here too!

mayskit4luv:
Thanks for the awareness. I have a BSc Chemistry, if I’m to study in Ireland which sch would u suggest. Thanks

My love, you have to do this research yourself ok. A few schools I know are American College Dublin, Dublin Uni of Tech (I think), Griffiths College and Uni College of Dublin.. I only know the acronyms of the schools but I think I’m right with the meanings.

This is the link for the nairaland page for Ireland https://www.nairaland.com/4056995/general-irish-student-visa-work

Wish you the best dear.

erico2k2:
I disagree on the value for money point
Value for money is getting an internationaly accepted certificate, One accepted worldwide.Plus when you school here, its not just about the papers.U know what you learn.But I also think Op's heading is misleading.

Ok sir.

ifenes:
He chose to spend that amount of money on the degree programs. The UK is not obligated to give him employment as they prefer British jobs for British workers. There is nothing wrong with being an economy migrant, only that you will not be prioritised.

Thank you for your point.

THIS THREAD IS NOT MEANT TO SAY THAT THE UK OWES STUDENTS JOBS, ITS MEANT TO SAY “YOU WON’T GET JOBS IF YOU GO O!”

Is it clearer?

Now let the people that this information is directed to make up their minds on whether or not they want to still study in the UK. A little advise wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) hurt anybody.

salford1:
In addition to the above. All countries eventually make it more difficult based on the political party in power or immigration level targets. Their infrastructure and social services would eventually become stressed and decay at a fast pace due to overpopulation. I know Canada for example has target immigration level by 2020 i.e 2018 to 2020. Who knows what would happen after the levels have been reached.
UK used to be very immigrant friendly till the Eastern Europeans flooded the country for better opportunities.

Very true

EsotericMonk:
Oh, my bad . Thanks i appreciate , Mademoiselle.

You’re smart, didn’t think you would get that!

justwise:
Yes people need to be enlightened but do it without misinforming them.

You and saouri are being disingenuous just because it did not workout for you.

1. You can still work in the UK after graduation through Tier 2 work program IF you have what it takes, nobody gives you a job just because if you have shinning pieces of certificate, even in Nigeria getting a job is hard after graduation.

2. This is the bit that got me nut..before you apply to study in the UK you knew that getting a job is hard, you knew that the fees are high, you knew that you have 4months to stay after graduation BUT STILL you went ahead to invest your millions of naira expecting miracle.

The UK govt never promised you automatic job position after graduation so why are you here moaning about injustice done to you?

This is the case of mental laziness and this attitude of entitlement, if you have done your homework before applying to study in the UK you would have known that..

1. Getting a job in the UK after graduation as a foreign student is hard and competitive because British and EU graduated will be priorities first.

2. You need to study a course that is in demand and listed in occupational shortlist https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-k-shortage-occupation-list, that increases your chances of getting a job.

3. If you graduated from low ranked university your chances of getting a job with that qualification is slimmer, this is the problem with many foreign students because low ranked universities are cheaper and easier to get admission into.

*Clears throat*

1) True, working is harder in Nigeria than UK but I got a job in Nigeria within two months of returning. That’s how good I am at my field uncle. The only thing that hindered me from getting a job was sponsorship in the Uk, they wanted to keep their sponsorship for more experienced experts. My professor (Emerita) in school spoke to the owner of a web design company to employ me, but the owner explained to me that all she could give me would be an internship for the duration of my stay because of the sponsorship hassles. A professor wouldn’t have done that for me, if I didn’t have prospects.

2)I had no idea about everything you wrote. I always believed the US was more expensive and didn’t know about the 4 months stay. I knew nothing! That’s why I’m trying to give back to the community.

3) yes you get preferential treatment when you’re an EU/UK person, I think that’s fair. I would want my country to do same.

4) I studied a course that’s in bloody demand (IT) and I’ve got a British certification to add to it too. I am in Nigeria but keep getting invitation mails (and apparently phone calls from head hunters) for job interviews that fit my expertise. I didn’t get headhunted when my address was a Nigerian address, until I put up my UK address and mentioned that I wouldn’t be needing a “sponsorship”.

5) low ranking or high ranking, the UK is desperate for people to work for them, they actually pay their citizens to go to uni just course they need the expertise. So when they see someone from a shortage profession that doesn’t need sponsorship, they pounce on them.

I understand that it’s been years since you last experienced the work situation in the UK, so please let me enlighten you ok. I’ve learned too much from you, now it’s my turn to give back. There are no jobs in the UK unless you want to work for the NHS who need experienced med staff more. If you like, be on the shortage list, nothing for you until the home office relaxes their sponsorship laws a bit.

The UK govt owes me no job, true, so they should keep their job, I’ll keep my money, there’s peace.

Cheers boss.

justwise:
Yes that is why you should read read and read then PLAN!!! before you invest your money either in education or business.

Did you do your research before coming to the UK?

You have no right to insult the British govt because they are not under any obligation to provide job for you.

You pay the school fees and you get the qualification..end of the deal, whatever comes after that is just act of generosity.

First of all, I am just seeing nairaland. Had no idea it existed and that it is this great (gotta compliment you guys).

Secondly, it is precisely because we want to help people do their research that this thread was made. Everybody knows the pros but only few know the cons. Now people who do their research can learn about the cons because of this thread, so what’s wrong with what we are doing? The universities don’t put this information on their website, so we have come together to put our experiences so people are better informed and don’t make mistakes. How is this bad?

I will say this again. I gained a lot from the UK. Honestly, working in the UK was never the plan, my folks wanted me back within a year, I just wanted to sly them by applying to work there- I knew I was going to get a job immediately I returned to Nigeria.

However, I will not pretend (like you are doing), that a lot of people go to the UK with hopes of remaining. I am trying to fight for the poor ones that slave and borrow that money with that hope at the back of their head, so they do something else with the money. Is this a bad thing?

I respect you a CRAZY lot justwise, but It’s wickedness like this that’s stopping Nigeria from moving forward Cos what you’re literally saying is “eh even though the economy in Nigeria is hard, let them borrow money and come to the UK, study and return!”.

We have no beef with the UK govt (lol, how dare we?!) we just want to tell it as it is so people don’t bother, Abi are you getting paid according to the number of Nigerian students that are in the UK?

lebete3000:
Can you explain the sponsorship aspect in details pls?

If you are not from EU or UK, you must be sponsored by an organisation in the UK when you want to study or work. It’s just like sponsoring your brother to study in the US, you become responsible for him.

To get a sponsorship in the UK, your expertise must be among the shortage list, and your organisation must be willing to pay some dues/taxes on your behalf and must be ready to pay a slated salary to you. Huge companies that can sponsor, have a limited number of slots and would rather not waste it on a graduate when they can bring in one badt Guy that has 10 years work experience. So a lot of companies turn down immigrants, hence the reason for the “no jobs in UK” slogan.

Satisfied?