heroshark:


No sweetie,

I'm not belittling other people's experience. I made it clear in my post that I don't know if it's just me being lucky or if others are failing to do their homework.

For a bit of background, I don't know many Nigerians in the UK aside from the ones in my school. Many of them that I speak with don't even have a clearly defined career plan and are always open to anything, which doesn't make sense to me, really.

I mentor a lot of students, they have clear plans, the needed certs and have amazing work experience that can easily transition to tech but fail to get sponsorship and are scared to keep trying to get for the next 2 years, so they accept care (if they keep trying they may eventually get there).

We can make a bet: let’s check for jobs on indeed and see how many consider graduated students on PSV. I’ve seen countless that advise graduates not to bother applying.

What you may have done right is applied directly to a company not via a recruiter- as far as a recruiter is involved, they’ll drop someone who may need sponsorship in a heartbeat because they want the best chance at having a candidate who would get a job.

There are more small-medium tech companies (who don’t have seasoned HRs/Legals that are aware of how visas work) than bigger companies (who know but there’s more competition and recruitment is longer).

Finally, I was thrown off by your “I can’t relate” because We have badasses on this platform that are the owners of Uk and can’t remember their struggle, but they try to relate and do their best to help others. It’s always good to be kind.

I’m very happy & proud of you and wish you more wins 🥳 but pls try and teach others, let’s all win together.

deept:


She is back!

140k!!! Will you marry me?!!!

Hahaha you want to marry a divorcee? what if I was lying 😋 Don’t believe anything you see on the internent oo

dupyshoo:
Why are you leaving the UK na? We will miss you.

I Will miss you people too ❤️❤️ I want to start a new adventure.

Jlaw1:


Hello, Aphrodite007. I am Inspector Colombo, and my preliminary investigations have shown that you never left this thread in the first place, you were simply operating with a different monicker.
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Lmao! You’re cute! No I’ve not been here and I have just one moniker. Yes you made various valid points especially about previous (and most times non-existent) work experience.

However, the people that recently moved to the UK ran away from naija. We are talking about big boy with years in the industry and they can easily transition to great jobs. I’ve met project managers, bank managers, architects, and engineers, etc who are struggling to get sponsorship jobs (they get calls o, but the recruiter drops them when they realise they are on a graduate visa).

Again.. because you 3 people around you got sponsorship, doesn’t mean it’s easy to get (it’s like me saying I know rich friends, so there’s no cost of living). If they studied with 100 other Nigerians- that’s not up 10% who got sponsored by a corporate.

Anyway everyone will be fine last last. It’s just 5 years sacrifice.

hustla:


LOL, Not true especially for IT folks. One girl in my class got an IT Audit job with NHS before she even finished her 1st semester in the UK and they even allowed her to do 20 hrs with them

My friend called me today and told me he got a job with Jaguar & Land Rover this week, fully sponsored, Scrummaster role

Down to luck and skills sometimes sha

Sweetheart. I’m not a HR. I’m a tech sis but at my level, I recruit for the IT dept. Who between you and me should give you stats on sponsorship, especially in IT?

There’s one SM role in JLRover with sponsorship for up to 17 care roles with sponsorship..

Santa2:


Funny thing is that I got a call from a friend this afternoon, he is a permanent resident due to get his Canadian passport by the end of the year. He was asking what it took for a canadian citizen to relocate to the UK. I was taken aback and asked why he would want to do that, He gave a long list of reasons that were similar to reason why some people here in the uk want to go to canada. Me wey still dey put one eye for canada. Our preliminary search while still on the call showed that Canadian citizens still need sponsored visa(t2) to live and work here. Who would have known? I have come to realize that people would move across the world for various reasons , even now, there are people moving back to naija even though throngs of people are japaing from there in droves. Abeg aphrodite keep one travelling bag for me make I stowaway inside as you dey go.

Hahahaha! I’m telling you people have various reasons. I used to give yimu to anyone that says they’re moving from Canada to UK. In my mind I’ll be like “so wa alright ni?”

Please you’re welcome to join me anytime.

LagosismyHome:


A friend of mine said thank God in her time there was no carer visa because it would have forced her to go down this route.

Because I think the downside is you are seeing less and less of sponsorship and more and more mainly in care visa typing someone for 5 years. While in 20 years it probably won't matter because I suspect once they get ILR there would be massive japa from care job to other sector . BUT UK and the home office love such. They want to keep everyone poor....so this tying people in minimum wage job is a massive win for home office. .

I don't even know what I am ranting here but so many people are not able to work in their profession now and just tied to care which annoys me. I came in during hsmp time and that was better. Many people used hsmp and worked in their relevant field and spent 5 years growing and building ... This one they are doing now is modern days slavery jare ..... can't wait for a change in government.

I’m telling you! It’s so heartbreaking. I don’t think it’s the govt doing it entirely. I think the HR of corporate companies are lazy and scared of immigration so they don’t understand how easy it is to register as sponsors and give sponsorship. It’s seems only care homes have hacked this. So you see young intelligent vibrant Nigerians with experience in amazing sectors wasting their talent for 5 years. It’s sad

But like you said- it’s 5 years and they will leave immediately they get The ILR. I pray God gives them strength.

I’ve missed you plenty btw ❤️❤️

LagosismyHome:


A friend of mine said thank God in her time there was no carer visa because it would have forced her to go down this route.

Because I think the downside is you are seeing less and less of sponsorship and more and more mainly in care visa typing someone for 5 years. While in 20 years it probably won't matter because I suspect once they get ILR there would be massive japa from care job to other sector . BUT UK and the home office love such. They want to keep everyone poor....so this tying people in minimum wage job is a massive win for home office. .

I don't even know what I am ranting here but so many people are not able to work in their profession now and just tied to care which annoys me. I came in during hsmp time and that was better. Many people used hsmp and worked in their relevant field and spent 5 years growing and building ... This one they are doing now is modern days slavery jare ..... can't wait for a change in government.

I’m telling you! It’s so heartbreaking. I don’t think it’s the govt doing it entirely. I think the HR of corporate companies are lazy and scared of immigration so they don’t understand how easy it is to register as sponsors and give sponsorship. It’s seems only care homes have hacked this. So you see young intelligent vibrant Nigerians with experience in amazing sectors wasting their talent for 5 years. It’s sad

But like you said- it’s 5 years and they will leave immediately they get The ILR. I pray God gives them strength.

Focus99:
I really do not understand.

The jobs with these firms refusing to give sponsorship are they not a permanent role

If one is able to get a permanent job role do they still need a sponsorship

Wait for your reply

Thanks

Like me too I don’t get. It’s so stupid really. Say you’re lucky enough to get a perm, you’ll need sponsorship to keep working after your expiry date.

My advice is to apply to the sectors that I listed above for roles that are in the shortage list (Google Uk shortage list). They sponsor. So once you get the job, pass
Your probation then speak to your line manager to sponsor you.

Sponsorship is what you need to stay beyond your psv- either marriage sponsorship, child sponsorship or work sponsorship.

If you don’t get sponsorship, please leave the UK a day before your expiry.

heroshark:


I really can't relate to the idea that firms are refusing to sponsor candidates. I came in last year September and by February this year I have received 3 offers from different firms with two offering to sponsor me. I don't know if I am just lucky or that other students/immigrants are failing to due their due diligence and instead chose care jobs as the easy way out.

During my interview, I do try to make it as clear as possible that I'm unable to join them without visa sponsorship.

Sweetheart. Nothing annoys me more than someone’s who’s been lucky not understanding others pains OR making it look like others aren’t hardworking/lucky enough. I’m one of the most privileged and lucky Nigerians in the Uk, worked just 4 years here and on 140k all before 30 but I never act like others aren’t working hard enough or lucky enough or feel their pain. I’m the exception, not the rule.

Because I exist doesn’t meant others don’t. Because you can’t relate doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be empathetic/sympathetic neither does it allow you to discount the pain is the majority.

And for someone that steadily recruits my profession, 80% of corporate companies don’t sponsor due to fear or lack of understanding of the regulations. So unless someone is applying to the big 4 or top IT, NHS or govt.. there’s likely no sponsorship.

Ok.

Congrats on your 3 offers.

BorisJohnson:
People I haven’t seen in a long time:
Mamatukwas
Fatima04
Ticha
TheGuyFromHR
Aphrodite007
Aprokodaughter
Sgtponzihater1
RalphJean
RalphLauren
Inspectorgrundy
Mimmylyrics
Duchess90

Ah I’m present oo! Sorry been flirting with the Canada thread because I wan leave una, run comot from this country.

Loads of things are wrong with the system that me I can’t shout about because if naija was ok, I won’t be here in the first place!!

My recent annoyance (ignoring the cost of living) is that it seems PSV is a scam. Most companies aren’t a recruiting graduates on PSV simply cos they may need sponsorship eventually.. but how come care homes are giving sponsorship like pure water??

So experienced people that ran from naija due to end SARS/buhari will come here and their only career for the next 5 years will be care? Haba! (PS nothing wrong with working in care but some of us did it as students not a career path. I’m offended they are stealing peoples potential!)

I love you all, but UK problem, ike a gwosiri’m -sorry igbo isn’t my first language- (it sha means my power have finish).

onegig:


Why is comprehension such a difficult thing in the world?

It’s because you seemed sensible that I responded to you.

I corrected only two things in all you said:
— absolutionist (because I expect you to educate people with poor reasoning and not sit on the fence unless you support their thinking)
— mushroom unis (because you should not trample on another person’s dream, however little they may seem to you).

If you’re black and African, when the door closes to keep out those pesky immigrants, you’ll become the next PREY regardless of the colour of your passport (see Ukraine war for example, where naturalised blacks suffered alongside the black students).

No African Canadian should think they’re better than any other black immigrant— house nigga, field nigga, all nigga.
Please educate them next time.

Apologies for derailing the thread.

onegig:


Why are our current youths or people online so absolutionist? It is either your way or the other party aren't thinking correctly. He gave valid reasons for an immigrant to turn against immigration. The world is not black and white. There are grey areas and if you cannot argue based on facts or counter it then it's best to not talk or do well to understand perspectives.

Nothing irritates me more than an immigrant that thinks another immigrant is their problem. Especially after watching the UK fall apart due to immigrants chasing other immigrants away; it’s crass & extremely dim witted. But of course, I shouldn’t expect more from people who’ve moved from underdeveloped countries with a backward mindset that blames others, rather than the govt, for their woes- look at Nigeria and the last elections.

You say there’s no housing and it’s the immigrants fault? Why did Canada wait until this year to restrict house purchase to people with PR? The govt was too stupid to preempt that investors would buy up those properties right? But it’s an immigrants fault.

Canada is doing EE with other pathways but making it difficult for immigrant doctors and nurses to practice. Why can’t they adopt UKs model that use exams and trainings to upskill immigrant health practitioners? but hey it’s the immigrants fault.

Canada attracted professionals from various fields and forgot to attract builders or property developer, cos how are they expecting a bricklayer to score 490 (meaning having either two languages + a masters/PhD and having over £8k in finance) or expecting a rich property developer to leave Europe and move to Canada? Lmao! No it’s the immigrants fault.

You’re complaining about moving from city to city due to rising cost of living? Isn’t that urbanisation/urban expansion that countries desire? Should have paid attention in social studies class but it’s the immigrants fault.

You’re saying it’s difficult to travel to work? Can’t an encouraging tax breaks for companies that promote remote/hybrid working in industries that can (eg tech) solve this? No, it’s the immigrants fault.

All the taxes being paid by professionals in Canada, what’s the govt using it for? It’s the immigrants fault.

Also You’re being condescending to the people that go to “mushroom” unis to get PR, forgetting that your reality is different from theirs. They were probably street hawkers in Lagos that can now become customer service assistants- to them they’re living their dreams. While this doesn’t sit well with you, again, it’s THEIR reality/suffering/happiness/achievement.

Finally, you ask us to understand anti-immigrant perspectives? If I call your father a baboon (which is likely untrue), would you ask people to understand my perspective or would you be “absolutionist” and call me out immediately? After all, what’s wrong is wrong?

The UK chased their immigrants away, now they’re begging their retired citizens to come back to work cos there’s no more money to pay them. Like, the island is drowning in shit- literally. I’m just glad they’re no more immigrants to blame. They’ve finally realised the government was to blame all the while.

joefit4gur:


But you showed tuition for 2 years?

No. 80% of my tuition- tuition for just the first year. However, remember I applied from outside Nigeria. I suspect there may bias towards applications from Nigeria.

But the rule is to show funds for the first year only for tuition and maintenance; so I quoted that in the LOE. Nigerians work overheard because of the distrust towards us 😭

Republic001:
Pls house under what section of documents uploads would I drop my Visa Refusal letter to.other country I applied to cos I heard it's good to declare visa Refusal so I want to know under waht section wud I upload the documents ...

One of the IMM forms asks about visa refusals. You’ll summarise the reason there. No need to upload the letter(s). If you still want to, add it to your LOE.

emmyoddy:


Congratulations. Simple documents and not those intimidating bulky documents some people supplied.

Sorry which school did you get admission?

Lol thanks. I thought too much info may make them miss out on what’s important and sometimes compressing files makes the texts illegible.

UBC - uni of Brit Columbia

beeslim:
please i have a very important question regards POF..

1) POF must someone leave it in the account until the visa is out.

2) POF if (1) is no, can i remove it after printing the statement.

3) please i need a clear blueprint on how this POF works exactly.

Think of it this way:

If you get a rejection and need to re-apply, won’t they see that you removed the money and put it back?

If during this application the VO asks you to resend the POF to them (they sometimes do this), what will you send? Won’t they see that you removed the money?

joefit4gur:


If you're self sponsored, you need to show for both years.

My course is 16 months (2 years) but I showed maintenance for just 1 year — 10300CAD in GIC

Doyenrey:


Awesome! Congratulations! What school?

Thanks! UBC

1st time applicant (though I have an EE profile).
VAC: London
Upfront med: Oct 2022
Application submission: 9 Dec 2022
Biometrics: 19 Dec 2022
Medicals passed: 3 Feb 2023
PPR: 3 Feb 2023
Sent passport: 6 Feb 2023
Received passport: 15 Feb 2023
Session: Aug 2023
DLI: UBC

GC key portal
Education gap: 6 years
Program: MBA
Duration: 16 months
POF1: 4 months bank statement showing 12 months tuition (rather than my total tuition, so just 80%)
Source: Salary
Source evidence: Showed 1 months payslip and job confirmation letter.
POF2: GIC certificate of 10k CAD for one year maintenance.
POF3: Uni scholarship of 40k CAD
POF4: Deposit of 5k CAD (uni refused me paying any tuition until enrolment)

Proof of Ties:
Showed ties to Nigeria by mentioning my parents in Nigeria. Showed ties to UK with my residence permit, wedding certificate to husband (Brit), my registered company & tax documents, my property documents.

Docs submitted:
- POF
- LOE (with UK residence permit, registry marriage cert, Ielts result (optional), Change of name affidavit, degree certs, professional certifications, resume (I couldn’t fit it in the IMM doc). In my LOE, i wrote an explanation for proof of fund, proof of ties, reason for study (this is extremely important as it’s the 3 things you’re marked on).
- The IMMs that applied to me.
- Visa stamps on current intl passport.
- screenshot of email from Uni confirming they didn’t want any instalment towards my tuition.
- Upfront med cert
- Letter for internship (coop work permit)
- Conditional Offer letter (they were waiting for my transcripts)

Profgordons:


There are several ways to look at it, the scare for most people is the coming TEER invitation system. One thing I can guarantee you is that what the Federal wants is not far from what Ontario wants, meaning the same people who got Ontario nominations will most likely benefit from the TEER driven invitations. 482 will get, even 480, but if you drop below that, then you are depending on the TEER system to favour you.

If you don’t mind living in Ontario for a few years, not sure you should worry about the fees as you will recover this in no time, in my opinion, there will be at least three draws in the next 45days, monitor the trend before you push the send button on the 45th day.

Say you get NOI for Ontario, accept it and get your PR. can you study full-time outside Ontario? Or must you remain in Ontario for the 2-3 years?

Also my main NOC (20012, computer syst manager) is over 16 months but split across 2 employers (employer A = 6 months and Employer B = 10 months)

Is this allowed?

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Ikay3502:
Good evening House.. pls am new here, I need clarification.. I have a barcelor's degree in accounting with 2.99 CGPA. Pls which school should I apply to for a master's degree(MBA/Msc) program in business or any related course in Canada without Gmat or ielt.. i've been having difficult finding schools. Biko help a brother abeggg

You would have to do the research yourself for the universities than can waive GMATs, I did mine and found some for my course.

Depending on your sch and their requirements, they may care more about the GPA of your last year in Uni. Eg my first deg’s cgpa is 2.9 too but my last year was 4.0.

It’s common knowledge that a poor gp won’t get you a masters in Canada. But anything is possible if you’re will to try. I got an offer from a top 2 Uni, w/o a gmat, and with a 50% scholarship- as gp isn’t ace, my work experience and community service supplemented (I have an msc but they didn’t care much about it).

Anything is possible if your willing to research.

Hi people,

On the IMM5257B_1, question 4 is about military service. Is NYSC considered military service?

Can I pls get clarification for this.

I have 4 years experience spread across 3 NOCs, but for my primary NOC, I selected 0213.

My problem is that my primary NOC 0213 was for only 6 months, will this fly? (There’s a caveat to have 1 year minimum so I’m confused if they mean the total years of work experience or per NOC).

NNTR:


_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

The fintech I worked for, my manager was a sales manager that they asked to fill a Pjt M role because he knew the job well. He got his cert after he got his role. So he has two heads? Because your life was hard and you had to get a certification to prove yourself, doesn’t mean it’s like that for everyone.

The last recruitment agency that worked for me was cut off, because I found out that they padded their candidates’ cvs. When I raised that concern, the HR said that they had let go of other agencies for doing same— which means most agencies do that, and may mean that most UK agencies don’t have or use or rely on their ATS.

Finally I want to understand this: after the ATs picks your cv, and I interview you and ask you to give me a time when you did something, you would read the theory in your book to answer me?

One more thing: ATS searches for a bunch of words not certificates alone. If you’re experienced, those words would naturally be on your cv.

Again, say your own and go. If people believe you, fine, but don’t drag me in.

Goke7:


The main problem is he will mislead so many here who won't know he's more of an engineer and not a product management person. He's also not patient enough to understand your perspective

This is even what I wanted to say to him. He can say whatever he wants to say, but not mention me. If people want to fall for it, experience is the best teacher.

So occupations like agile coach, delivery manager and product manager that don’t have industry accepted certification bodies, they should now jump inside lagoon?

I have countless mentees that have certs but no experience, I would share my experience with them so they can make it theirs for interviews- if certs are enough, why didn’t they get jobs before I mentored them? Even myself, I am currently in a role that I don’t have a cert for, so it’s funny to hear that from someone not even close to the delivery field.

NNTR:

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Smh, getting positions like product owner, product manager and scrum master or junior entry level, being certified by the relevant professional body(ies) is a game changer, meaning it opens doors, gives you a chance to slide your foot in, to then pitch and sell yourself

You and your friend are blindsided to the fact that, certifications is one of the things the applicant tracking systems (ATS) bot will be looking out for, and if found absent on CVs, it means, the CV goes straight into the dustbin, and the effect of that, is the CV will have no prospect of get selected for an interview appointment, leaving the CV owner, drop off even before getting to jump over the first hurdle.

No one falsifies CVs, you list your experience and then give an articulate account of however way you obtained the experience.

I remember back in the day, when I got certified as a MSCE, before I broke into the industry, the only experience aside passing 8 - 9 certifications, was my private LAN, that I used to practice installation, administration, configuration et cetera for network resources like network servers, printers, even mail servers too. It's that experience I used in getting my first break.

Now, re-read and note lightnlife OP's remark 'Please share more insights on making entry to the world of scrum'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Mate,
I don’t have the time to argue with you. I shared my experience from recruiting agile coaches, scrum masters, product owners, managers, all levels of BAs and project support in the UK, where most companies rely on recruiters rather than an ATS.

If you have yours, share. You don’t have to say I’m wrong, there mustn’t be a right or a wrong, two rights can exist. Having the certificate without the experience is pointless in these occupations in this county. How do you explain a time that you effectively managed a scope creep if you haven’t even experienced it to win the interviewer’s confidence.

Alaye be talking about networking and still mentioned they had EXPERIENCE in installations and etc, which helped them break into the industry.

don’t annoy me abeg!

mex551:
thanks for coming through once again
I am having some issues with Regards to Project Management jobs.

Do you think that I should remove all of these higher qualifications from my project management job search when it was stated in the job advert?

Abeg make una help me look into this ....

Cc: TheGuyFromHR

Being overqualified is a thing. My colleague once almost rejected a candidate because “why would someone with a masters want a 28k job?.. they’ll just runaway after a few months, we need longevity!”

I explained him that the candidate was Nigerian and 28k was a lot of money in Nigeria, so they really would be happy with the job and wouldn’t run away.

You reserve the right to include or exclude your degrees on your cv. It will not be seen as misrepresentation.

Also, it may not be that you’re overqualified because I know PM in Nigeria is not the same as PM here- we use PMI, they use prince2 (watch videos on this).

Try to use the buzzwords for that profession on your cv or when answering scenario questions.
E.g No one would trust a project manager that wouldn't use words like “PID, term of ref, stakeholders, scope, cost, raid, risk registers, lesson learned” at interviews.

Finally, work on your tone at interviews (please speak in a way that they can hear you).

Ticha:


Have you considered NZ or Australia?

Smiles to Google. I’ll check them out- I like that money doubling part, haha. Thank you

lightnlife:
Thanks for the insight.

I've taken a couple of courses on Scrum and aced the scrum assessment - 100% consistently...Now I feel ready and confident to take the main exam.

As you noted, junior scrum roles are not quite easy to come by and the major scrum roles require years of experience.

Question: How can one make an entry to the role; are there scrum volunteering opportunities? I've watched a lot of videos on getting started as a new scrum master but they're not detailed.

Please share more insights on making entry to the world of scrum.

You need experience. Try applying for a project assistant, project support or business support role. Use it to get in because you need project (preferably software or delivery experience).

Due to having such a certification, you’ll be “overqualified” for that role but if you’re lucky to have a greedy interviewer (like me), you’ll be in.

Stay 6-12 months and gain confidence/experience. that’s all you need for a proper scrum role elsewhere (don’t stay With the previous employer, they’ll keep making it look like they did you a favour).

Be patient. Start small. You won’t even remember the struggle when you’re turning down 65-75k jobs. As far as you’re in tech, you’ll win in the end.

LagosismyHome:


I can't imagine someone going straight to Pm... that person will struggle and feel very overwhelmed

Very true. Even me that I’m experienced, I space out at times.

It’s demanding because all the tech professionals are “technically” working for you, so you have to be ahead of them, be knowledgeable enough to guide/lead them and be influential enough to “control” executives.