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zendi:
The Minnesote extra-judicial killers of George Floyed deserve the maximum weight of the law brought down upon them.
All protesters, rioters, looters and arsonists should bear down on the State of Minnesota.
Any insurrection beyond that should be crushed most decisively if Western civilization wants to survive.
Minnesota has been governed at all tiers, from the days of John the Baptist, by the U S Democrat Party and, since America operates the State Police System, the Democrats own, run and deployed the Police culture that lynched George Floyde.
It is the Democrats, and you if you have ever voted left in your life, that should be held accountable for this chaos.

I'm glad now that the racist killing cop has been charge with second-degree murder. He should be made to face the full force of the law.

Qstorm:
GTFOH ignorant bitch! Who are u gaslighting with your stupid explanation? What brought CIA into this discussion? The CIA job is to gather intelligence overseas, you didn't even mention FBI that is here at home. Dude STFU, You're an ignorant retård that doesn't know the difference between CIA and Secret service. This ignorant fool doesn't also know that Trump already did a televised address to the whole nation and he wants to have an opinion on issues he knows nothing about. You ignored the post where I submitted links to the news stories which made it clear that it was the secret service agents that made the decision to move Trump to the bunker, you pretended you didn't see it and quoted only this one to make more stupid comments. You are not only a disgrace to the black race, you are a disgrace to all of humanity.

No, I'm no disgrace to the black race, neither are you.

Insult is not my thing, so sorry if you feel offended by my last reply.

The CIA and Secret Service thing is just a mix up from my end,

Honest to God, I never saw any of the links you said you posted. My grasp with Trump was his stubborn refusal to address the protest quickly when it all started. I was especially infuriated because his show of indifference presupposes that a black man's life doesn't matter, even if that wasnt what he meant.

I must confessed, I miss that hastily put together late Monday Night address, cause my timeline is way different from yours and my last reply to you was based on my time.. Although the address sounded more like an autimatum, and not a unifying message, it's a welcome development all the same. But why did he have to wait this long?

budaatum:
Hypocrisy, perhaps. You should hear China laugh at America.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/asia/us-protests-hong-kong-china-intl-hnk/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/01/chinese-state-media-hits-back-at-trumps-sanctions-threat-on-hong-kong-beijing.html

It's beyond hypocrisy. Its like Trump is under a spell. How can an American president find it convenient to talk about protest and human rights in another man's country during his recent press conference but didn't deem it fit to talk about the one happening in his country under his watch. Its quite unbelievable for a person of Trump.

budaatum:
By the way, has Fox News gone rogue?
How dare they criticise emperor trump?

They have to because Trump's shame of indifference towards the mass protest is mind boggling. I still can't believe it myself. I wonder who is doing this to him.

garetz:
How was it needless for Trump to run to a bunker? The secret service made the decision to rush him there and you don't know why they decided to do that. If am given a choice between believing the judgement of the secret service and the judgement of a Nairalander, I will believe the secret service did the right thing a million times before I believe you.

1. Trump called for and promised Justice for George Floyd before the riots even started

2. Trump didn't call the protesters thugs, you must have been brainwashed by fake news. He used it to describe those rioting, looting and attacking people and he was right. News flash!! Obama also called the Baltimore rioters thugs.

You are just sounding like another fake news braiwashed liberal, you even lifted a line verbatim from the fake news media " That bunker retreat crystalyzes Trump's AWOL response to George Floyd's death" you just copied and pasted it from a Washington post opinion piece by Aaron Blake and you want me to take you serious? Swallowing and vomiting liberal garbage is not a sign of smart thinking

You're still disappointing me though not as before.

1. Now you agreed promising swift justice for the murder of Floyd isn't usurping the judicial process. We both agree on that.

2. Yes, he did call the Floyd's family, but so did previous governments and the problem continues. Calling Floyd's family is not enough. People are use to this routine already and considering that this particular murder was so gruesome, to the extent that it provoke riot in foreign countries, it's always inevitable that people won't take it lightly, hence the protest. This is where he failed big time. He should have addressed the protest in a formal telecast the moment it started not taking to Twitter to rant. Do you realise that this is an election year? I'm very disappointed in Trump. He use to be a strategist. What happened to his strategic mindset this time around. Is it because a black man isn't worth it? This is really unbelievable.

3. Okay, let's assume that he accepted the advice of the secret service to move to a bunker (though the Trump I know make his own decisions, will never run away from a fight or miss a chance to win a crowd over), now that he is back from the bunker, why did he still refuses to address the protest in a formal telecast? Why? Or is this another leftists lie?

4. For Christ sake, every sane person knows that criminal elements are always part of any large protest, especially in America. He used the term 'thug' loosely and by implication, it send the wrong signals because we know the particular race of people generally deemed to fit that description. This is a country thats hugely divided across racial lines, and every single word is interpreted. The fact that Obama used it too and now Trump doesn't make it right for any seating president, especially in an election year.

5. Yes, I lifted a line verbatim from a news source, because it was right on this one. Trump's refusal to address the nation on this one is a show of irresponsibility, and if any media house says it, I support it. I'm not and will never be a brainwashed rightwing or leftwing zombie who can't see truth for themselves.

If Washington post says Trump's bunker retreat aggravate his show of indifference to the protest, and you think it's liberal garbage, then Turcker Carson and Fox News that also questioned the president action on this one is garbage and liberal bullshit, according to your logic.

My friend, sometimes, you should learn to think independently, its a free gift of God.

Stay well.

Qstorm:
I can't even waste my time talking with an ignorant fool like you. How can you be pouring out so much stupidity over things you know nothing about? This m0ron doesn't even know that the CIA is different from the secret service. Instead of spending your energy writing such ignorant bullshit, You should take your time to go and study how the secret service works and who made the decision about taking the president to bunker.

What is this one yapping about? You will do well to deliver yourselt from extreme fanaticism and stop glorifying stupidity. Who doesn't know that there is a difference? Your brain didnt informed you that there were two words- Secret Service and CIA mentioned in my earlier response to your fanatic post, neither did your inability to comprehend underlying facts prevented you from knowing that the use of the CIA its just an example of the multilayer agencies that collect, analyze, and dissseminate intelligence information's on matters of national security to the government, which your secret service determined as grave threat and your lord was moved like a toad into an underground bunker.

You devolved into tantrum throwing because you're so immature and can't stomach the fact that your lord failed to properly handle a national crisis with thousands of outraged people out in the street protesting the gruesome murder of a black man. You're more concerned with those who called him out for running like a chicken into a bunker instead of addressing the issue, in an election year. I dont blame you. Its your type that make the black race look like a laughing stoke and willing puppet that further the agenda of white supremacists since Trump can't do wrong in your eyes.

Since you're so warped up in your blindman narrative, you can't even for conscience sake wonder why Trump still refuses to address the nation after emerging from hiding. Oh, I'm not surprised because plantation nigggas with slave mentality are immuned to conscious reality.

Don't mention my moniker again. You're a disgrace to the black race and conscious humanity.

Abbeybailey:
Timbuktuo yesterday was calling George Floyd's brother that was calling for calm and non violent protest in America Uncle Tom. Do any sane person say that to a guy that his brother was lynched in broad day light by Nazis in uniform. Some of these Trump lovers here never condemned the brutal way George was killed while begging for his life. They are only worried about the looting and burning. I am against looting and burnings too but alk those stores that were looted are fully insured and they will be compensated by the insurance companies for their loss but nothing can bring the lives of George and thousands of other Brown and Black people that has been killed by Nazi police officers.

The lootings is wrong, burning the church is wrong. But the point is, much of this could have been averted if the presidency has been all over the place condemning the gruesome act, appealing to the people and speeding up the prosecution process so people's minds can come down a little bit. But sadly, none of this happened.

Calling and speaking with the family of the dead is a step in the right direction, but is not enough. It isn't Floyd's family that's protesting in the street now.

Address the nation, promise changes, and because human beings are the same everywhere, I tell you, many of the people making up the rioters will step on the gasket and a sizable portion of the riot will stop. Before you know it, the riot will die a natural death.

Unfortunately, some blind folks here think Trump don't need to address and plead with the rioters because to them, all of them are Antifas, thugs, and worthy to be shot. That's how you know a crazy fanatic.

I can't believe that someone in this thread could open his mouth to say if the president calls for the prosecution of the cops involved, he would be usurping the powers of the court. Can you imagine?.

This is one of the threads on Nairaland with the most inhumane and illogical thinkers. I give up on this thread.

Abbeybailey:
Appleyard, you know you and I and few others here are doyennes here. Seriously, you are metamorphosising before my eyes. You are absolutely right on point. A mark of a leader is to calm down a situation especially when the nation is grieving and in pain. Trump is not mentally capable of doing that because he sees himself as a President for certain part of the country. A president is a calming voice during trying period in US. Let me give you an example. About 30 years ago in Los Angeles, Rodney King was brutally beaten by four white police officers and Los Angeles and it's suburbs literally went on fire and George Bush Snr came out and addressed the nation and there was calm. 911 happened under Bush jnr, and George Jnr went to NY City and stood on top of the Twin towers ruins and addressed the nation and calm the nation down. Clinton did with Queresh cult followers and so did Obama called down the effects of Ferguson riots but here we have a president Trump who is mentally incapable of putting out the fire burning in America. This on going problem started from frustrations of seeing Blacks and Brown's being killed disproportionately by Nazi police officers. I can give you twenty names of recent black men and women that have been slaughtered by White racist police officers not to talk about Ahmaud Arbery that was slaughtered by a racist father and son just for jogging in their neighborhood. Can these coons that support Trump think of what the families of the lynched people are going through ?.

I am a Nigerian, a blackman to the core, but above all, one that fears God.

I'm for reality, not a fanatic. What is wrong is wrong, and we can do nothing against the truth.

Where Trump is right, I will hail him, but where he is wrong, I will indict him as well.

I know that after my life here on earth, I will give account of my life to God, and that include what I stood for and what I didn't stand for. It is only someone who have sold his soul to the devil, the father of lies, that would praise Trump on this one. How can a president not publicly address a nation in crisis is beyond me. Even our dull Buhari still manages to address issues of public importance. I'm very disappointed in Trump on this one. Those who are blind to the reality can go on supporting him for this senseless show of irresponsibility. God will judge everyone of us.

wirinet:
Are you guys emotionally challenged or you have no iota of humanity in you? Have you watched the video at all, and if you have watched it how did it make you feel? Seeing a human being (forget he is black) being killed in such a gruesome manner. Even humans beings in Germany, UK and other countries are appalled.

It's much more than a man being killed by cops. Afterall, this is not the first time a blackman is being killed by white cops. It's the gruesome manner that is enraging people.

The whole country is grieving right now, there are protests in all 50 states. The best a president should do is to console the whole country. No one is saying he should order for the execution of the police officers, what he is expected to do is console the family of George Floyd, console the state of minnesota and promise justice for the George Floyd.

You will notice that cities where the protests were very peaceful were where the police chiefs engaged the rioters in a friendly and amicable manner. Some even matched with the protesters.

Exstcly my point. But unfortunately, it's like you are talking to a brick wall. Extreme fanaticism is sequel to terrorism. Its a pity seeing how fellow brothers could hail trump on this one.

wirinet:
You guys are sounding more ridiculous everyday in your attempt to defend the incompetence of Trump.

Let me give you a small example of something similar here in Nigeria while in was at IFE (University of IFE ).
Around 1988, during one of the protest by students, and student was shot and killed by a policeman. This exasperated the situation, and students was about rioting, the then V.C. Prof Wande Abimbola quickly reached out to the student union and called for an urgent meeting with with the students. The meeting was set for the football field at the sports centre. The V.C. who is an Ifa priest came wearing his full Ifa regalia. As rude as the students were, he spoke calmly and asked everyone to sit down. He himself sat on the bare ground and discussed with the student leaders. After about 1 hour of intense negotiations, the V.C. ordered the police off campus, and a major catastrophe was averted.
Professor Wande Abimbola's tenure was the only period I recall that there was no major riot in IFE. A good administrator listen to grievances and calm the nerves of aggrieved people, not issue threats.

This is how rational people think and reason. You just spoke my mind. I support Trump on many fronts, but on this one, he was dead wrong in every area.

garetz:
You're the one sounding pathetically ignorant. Trump is the president and you want him to come out and pass a guilty sentence on the cops before a judicial process is complete? Did you ask Obama to do that when the likes of Eric Garner and Trayvon Martin were killed? He did what he needed to do as president, ordering the FBI to investigate the matter and promising the people that they will get justice. So labeling antifa a domestic terrorist group is an unguarded statement? Why if I may ask? You are angry he is doing his job in an election timeline? I don't even want to talk about your most pathetic comment of all that Trump ran like a frightened lunatic or a fat pig into an underground an underground bunker, there is nothing to say about that senseless comment other than you are pathetically ignorant.

Use your brain. Did you watch the video or not? Even a child in the belly knew Floyd was murdered. What? Are you saying if the president calls for the prosecution of the officers involved, it would mean the president is usurping the judicial process? What's wrong with some of you? Since when does calling for prosecution means passing a guilty verdict? Are you serious?

Yes, as much as I hated to admit it, Obama (whom I deem a monumental failure as much as blacks are concerned) did address the nation and called for justice for the murder of Garner, even after a grand jury cleared the cops involved of any criminal charges. He made a promise that they will see they get to the bottom of it, and the next few moments saw the Department of Justice conducting a separate investigation of their own, not withstanding the final outcome therefrom.

Here is the catch: when you're the president of a country that is highly divided across racial lines, do your best to douse tensions in times of public unrest where the subject matter revolves around race. Trump could have done his part (and even use this opportunity to leverage his re-election drive) by addressing the nation and advocating for justice for the murdered Floyd. Then appeal to the rioters by promising a deep review of policing activities in relation to the public. Mind you, more than 30 million people and their sources of income are already devasted by the coronavirus outbreak and the consequent lockdown effect.

What you're seeing on the street now is not just a problem of white supremacists or blacks boiled-over anger for years of systematic racism, nor just ANTIFA or some imagined dark groups hijacking the protest to score political or racial points. Its all part of it, but the real thing here is that people are broke and angry. A hungry man is an angry man, and the last thing you can think of is making remarks that could aggravate the whole situation. Unfortunately, that's what Trump did. He was completely wrong for not addressing the issue in a manner that conveys sensual feelings. He is all for the economy, and laboured strenuously for it, and wants the lockdown doors to open quickly so things can get back to normal, which is good. Then why give the same people a reason to stay more time in the streets?

Heck, don't tell me " when the looting starts, the shooting starts" is a good and welcomed statement in this hour, or is it? Don't tell me calling protesters "thugs" (when we all know what that statement suggest and to whom it is implied) in such critical hour is a welcome and well guarded statement? You're better than this man. That I like Trump for certain reasons don't mean I should support his failures as well.

On the bunker issue, I repeat it was needless to have run into a bunker. Jesus. This isn't even a code-red situation that warrant he been moved into a bunker. The entire situation is too dramatic to imagine. I'm beginning to think that either someone in his inner circle is trying to sabotage trump reelection or he is just been plain stupid. That bunker retreat crystalyzes Trump's AWOL response to George Floyd's death and subsequent riot that's still ongoing. It's unimaginable that up till now, the president who wants economic activities to bounce back in full swing is yet to address the nation and it's streets crowded with rioters in a formal telecast, even if its from his underground bunker. And here you are supporting this wreckless failure.

Alright, may be a black man gruesome murder isn't worth it, Hong Kong and China are more important to talk about. BIG SHAME on Trump on this one.

Qstorm:
What part of it wasn't his decision to make don't you understand? The secret service makes all decisions as regards the president security and they will do whatever they believe is necessary to protect him whether he likes it or not. Instead of writing nonsense about things you have no clue about, how about taking time to go learn how the president's security apparatus works. You are saying that it wasn't like he was going to be assassinated because you are smarter or more intelligent than the president's secret service details? Do you know what intel they got before they decided to take him to the bunker? You don't know that during crises like this, there are many forces looking to take advantage of the situation to forward their agenda? You are just too naive, People like you just stay online posting ignorant shit!!

What a babel! Secret Service my foot. Is the CIA the head of the president or the president head of the security? Who is ruling who? Heck, this is not even a crisis with a code red alert, and you're here creating imagined threats from Satan's scrotum!

You saying the president has no choice about his security is a very stupid and puerile excuse to make. I can't believe sensible people will go this length to defend stupidity and shameless show of irresponsibility.

You think if one diabolic organization wants Trump dead, the perfect timing would be during a public riot when the security apparatus of the state is 1100% on alert and fully activated? You blind fanatics are the naive ones here, my friend.
Making up silly excuses for failures of the president during such a critical time is to me lame and mypoic.

Which president hops like a frog into an underground bunker during protests in a section of his country, not to mention when such protests doesn't even have anything to do with the president style of rulership or policies? There was similar widespread and violent protest during Obama time for similar issue of police brutality, how many bunker did he run into? Other presidents in America has seen far worse cases and even threat to their personal lives, which one of them runs into a bunker?

Not quite long, we saw the huge and devastating protests that shut down much of France, which bunker did Macron ran into? Which of them prefer to make provocative statements, or prefer to talk more about human rights in another man country while his own is on fire?

Trump had all the time to host a press conference in front of the white house where he finds it convenient and shameless to talk about China and Hong Kong's autonomy vis-à-vis human right in Hong Kong, when his own crazy police state are killing both black, white, green and yellow, without provocation. He didn't deem it worthy to talk about the gruesome murder and the ongoing riot in his recent press conference, and you're here supporting him for running into a bunker like the Russians are coming with Topol M and Satan 2? Men, you should be ashamed for the president on this one. He got it all wrong this time. Stop being a blind fanatic.

No level of threat to the president could have deter him from making a national telecast addressing the riot, calling for the quick prosecution of the racists cops involved, proposed reformed to pplice use of extremem force, and plead with the people to go back home. That's what a responsible president does, not feigning ignorance to what's happening and running into an underground bunker like the protesters have breached the White house. It's only an idiot that would hail Trump's handling of this one.

Abbeybailey:
Wow, that's a surprise coming from you but will give you kudos.

Surprised? By now you should have known what I stand for. I'm for reality, not a fanatic.

Qstorm:
People like you are have the sense of two year olds. Why doesn't Joe Biden walk to the epicenter of where the riots are happening. He chooses a very peaceful protest site to stage a photo op and shitty heads like you think it's a big deal cos? Plus, the secret service makes the decisions as regards the president's security and if they deem there is a threat around, they will move him to a safe place as any adult should know by now. Just shows how much ignorant you are about the real world to think Trump decided on his own to move to a bunker.

Friend, let's not support irresponsibility. It wasn't as if he was going to be assassinated, so your excuse lacks merit. Trump would have done better to address the nation on the riots, promise and encourage swift justice for the gruesome murder, propose reforms in policing and could have even go as far as forming a shirt or a cap with the inscription "justice for Floyd", or so. But prefering rather to talk about China and Hong Kong and running like a crocroach into an underground bunker conveys irresponsibility and insensitivity to the plights of minority Americans. He had this one all wrong.

Obrigardo:
trump has no need to address the nation
and at the same time urging Governors who do not have to listen to him to use military force on protesters..

....while hiding in his bunker at this moment

what a weak man, a weak version of hitler for comedy

In as much as I have supported Trump on many occasions, he got this one completely wrong. That statement he made saying "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" is not just only reckless but senseless and smirks of stupidity at the highest levels.

He running like a frightened lunatic into a bunker is one of the most irresponsible thing for a president to do in this trying times.

The violence we are seeing now is a reflection and manifestation of years of racial abuse and oppression suffered by black americans. Even many whites did joined up in the protest and violence because it has become so glaring that the US justice system is laden with systematic racism.

Common sense presupposes that the president should be out calling for the heads of the murderous police officers involved, propose reforms in policing and criminalize police brutality through formal legislation. That's how you win over people.

But what have we...the president of the supposed most powerful nation on earth makes unguarded statements, talks about labeling ANTIFA as a terrorist group, more concerned about what's happening in Hong Kong than an angry section of his people in his country, and when the protest gets hotter, the guy ran like a fat pig into an underground bunker....ALL THESE FAILURES AND CHARADE IN AN ELECTION TIMELINE.

I'm completely disappointed in Trump. His behavior in this incident is not different from one of the senseless and insensitive leaders we have in some African countries. Very pathetic behavior.

Maduawuchukwu:
Nigerians contribute much relative to our population in the US. Nigerians in America are officially not up to a million but statistics suggest about 50 percent of our Population have college degrees making us one of the most educated ethnicity in America relative to our population. Surely, these college graduates are not gang banging or engaging in Yahoo Yahoo in their majority; they must be in professional employment contributing to the economy productively. These makes Nigerians significant contributors to the US relative to our population.
Trump's official reason for suspending Nigerians from migrating to the US was because of security risks or was it because our people are overstating their Visas. However, the reason why he could do it with such ease is because Nigeria unlike China or other Asian countries is weak and does not have leverage. It is not an issue of us not making contributions to the US. That is just my opinion though.

Your opinion spread across is straight on point. The person you're talking to doesn't realised that Nigerians are the most educated ethnic group in the U.S. with many of them spread across different industries doing legit and high-paying jobs.

AkataWoman:
Did you say that if Nigerians had all the resources we have...?

#1 Do you not realize what a huge FAILURE you are to not have those things in 20 Freaking 20? But you want to criticize the black group that fought to get those opportunities and outshines you in every way? Since you’re so smart, why don’t you have them yet!!!

#2 Many Nigerians have already proved you wrong. Did you not see the few links I posted showing Nigerians being arrested in the US en masse?

Your envy is obvious. You’ve all but admitted to being jealous we have opportunities you can’t even dream of-partly because the loud generators keep you awake at night.

You're not an American, so I won't bother to take most of your rants serious. Nonetheless, I will answer thy shallow reasoning with logical reasoning.

We are so much 'blessed' with crazy and visionless leaders who careless about the populace, hence the lack of quality infrastructures that would have move this country far beyond where it is today. I speak the fact, i'm not like you who chose to live in delusion, entangling yourself in mental slavery and entitlement mentality.

Now, you that have all the infrastructure and government support at your disposal, what have your lots whom you claim to be done for themselves? AAs trails all other races in all aspects of economic, political and social well being in the United States, and it keep getting worse because of folks like you who reason and thrive in delusio, refusing to tell themselves the truth.

You even have the temerity to talk about some few bad Nigerians arrested for fraud? Imao! The pot calling the kettle black. The numbers of AAs in prison and jail houses, with many doing life and on death roll is incomparable to any other race in the world. You should be ashamed for even daring to raise this point.

My friend, you will do better to see reality for thyself. You sound so bitter that you can't swallow let alone stomach the truth AAs are a major part of the problem plaguing the black community. But if you can't see that, don't bother discussing this further, because its futile trying to fix stupid.

AkataWoman:
And with everything you said, BLACK AMERICANS are still the most successful, respected black group in the WORLD!

What does that say about Africans who claim to live on the richest land in the world? Why don’t you have the infrastructure, schools, etc? Your land has existed billions of years.

Why is the best you can hope for in life is to come to the country black Americans built and leech off of our accomplishments

Now go do actual research instead of regurgitating what you heard 80% of black Americans are middle class or higher. Our women are the most educated group.

Accomplish even a fraction of what we have then you can judge.

In the meantime get to work building up your country.

Come to your country...you're reasoning like a kid--a typical self deluded African with pigmified view of reality. What gives you the impression that anyone that speak in certain terms against your warped belief is an American wannabe? That's how some stupid folks who left the motherland to the state feels. And from every indication, you're not a black American, you just gave out yourself. The typical black American don't reason that way, nor think he is superior to blacks from Africa. You're one of those immigrants not a bona fide AA native. Sorry for wasting my time on you.

KBdownloads:
lmao like they had a choice

that is exactly why they are the ones that build the nation.

KBdownloads:
This guy you really are beyond daft. America was built by the whites and jews. All the blacks did was hard labour under the direction and supervision of the whites

If they were not there to do the hardwork, would there have been America?

AkataWoman:
Please research before you type.

Whites and especially Hispanics catch hell with cops too but AAs raise more hell.

But I forgot. Most of you are "If it's not in a blog or YouTube video it didn't happen."

Learn how to read inbetween lines before you comment. I was telling the guy that black suffered more police brutality than any other race in the US.

AkataWoman:
We're not trailing Nigerians, that's for damn sure. And we're doing DAMN well and have been considering the odds against us.

What the hell is Nigeria's excuse? AAs were taken to America as property that was never to be considered human. Over 400 years later and we're greatly outnumbered by Whites.

Nigerians have remained on your own soil and make up the vast majority of your country. Yet, you're no better off than you were when my ancestors left 400 years ago. Still no consistent electricity. In 2020. How?

AAs created whole schools, colleges and universities when we weren't allowed to be educated in white ones. Most of your young are selling wares for school fees instead of being in school full-time while the tables have turned to the point that all races are applying to go to our black universities.

The fact that we have foodstamps makes us better off than the poor in Africa. Food stamps are available because those of us who work pay taxes. Nigerians don't even make enough of a living wage to pay taxes--IF they can find jobs.

Poverty is not limited to Africa but it's a hell of a lot worse in Africa than anywhere else in the world. We have poor in America, but not on the level of poverty in the US. At any time our homeless can find a bed in a shelter or get free food.

What's your issue with black Americans? You sound really jealous.

Jealous? You must be joking. Stop making silly excuses for AAs.
Nobody support nor canvass the course of AAs more than I do on Nairaland, but just because I'm black doesn't mean I should close my eyes to reality.

The current generation of blacks are their own worst enemy on multiple front. Take it or leave it.

Yes, you guys have suffered for many years, bled, killed, and desecrated upon. But gone are the days of physical slavery. Today's America, though still divided across racial lines, is far more better than the Jim Crow era.

Now, AAs can vote, do business of thier choice, now have every opportunity to go to schools, make wealth and create more wealth for generations to come. Even with affirmative order, prestigious colleges are within their reach. But, what do we have today, many black male don't go to school, and even some that manage to go drop out half way. It is sad but they are the least educated of all the races in America. Facts don't lie.

Without education, how can you sustain the immediate wealth you've struggled to build on the long run when the next generation kicks in? This is the major reason they don't do so well in businesses like other races do. Don't cherry-pick Jay-z and a few others, on aggregate terms, AAs are the least most uneducated of all the races in America.

They have all the infrastructures and opportunity at their disposal, if they have fully harnessed it, like coming out to vote during elections, most of all these nonsense that's happening now would have drastically reduced.

Imagined despite just making up about 13% of the US population, AAs make up the most incarcerated race in american prisons and jail houses, no thanks to the highly racist justice system, in part, but also for being less educated thereby becoming more prone to crime, including the ones they never committed. But whom should we really blame? If African Americans have harnessed even 70% of the opportunies they have, maybe folks like George Floyd would still have been alive today, with the racist cops knowing that if they try anything stupid, highly educated blacks in all areas of the political and social order are waiting to take them to the cleaners. But is that what we have today? No one is taking your lot serious because you refuse to add value to yourself.

Apart from the institutionalized racism, Slave mentality and entitlement mentality is one of the major problems with black people. When you continue to reflect on the past, unwilling to acknowledge where you are now, and not been able to map out the future, the only enemy you will see is the whiteman, whereas, you're part of the equation as well.

Here is the catch: if the average Nigerian has all the resources and opportunities your lot has, they would be building houses in the sky. Creativity without sustainability is like anointing without success, which is annoyance.

As for Nigeria as a country, we have been a cousin of darkness since Genesis
Chapter One, and will remain so, not until we decide to grab the idiotic leaders that we have by the balls, calstrate them and eliminate them can we have constant power supply in this country.

But, even without all such vital resources, we still thrive and excel on multiple fronts.

STILESGANG:
What is real wealth?.The same one that makes africa the most impoverished continent on the planet?

Really? The so-called AAs you are talking about are trailing all other races and ethnic groups in America in almost every area of life. Even the Almighty U.S of A still have more than 40 million people living in poverty line and relying on food stamps to survive. Friend, poverty is rife in Africa, but not limited to Africa.

Gmajor:
You do realize that police brutality is a big issue in the US?
White and Hispanic people are also victims of police brutality.

Yes, but how many whites are Hispanics are subjected to the kind of inhuman treatment Black are made to go through? Its not even close in comparison.

STILESGANG:
African Americans are the richest group of blacks in the world because they live in the richest country on earth are Nigerians seriously comparing themselves to them lmao.They have a buying power of over 2 trillion dollars that is like 3 times the 9ja economy.
An average African American may be disadavntaged due to discrimination and whatnots but they have it better than most Africans.This is not even debatable lol

The richest group of Blacks in the world by value of money, not by real wealth. Think.

flyingpig:
This is a truckload of shit


First of all, $10,000 is about #4Million and not #1.2M like you said.

And nowhere will 1.2million naira buy you one plot of land in Lagos, I think you need to pay Nigeria, it must have been 6-10years since you left.

Plots of land in Lagos go nothing less than 10million naira.

These are facts on a truckload of reality.

$10,000 equal to 4 million? My bad, then its better than I thought earlier.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. There are lands sold even for far lesser prices in Lagos. https:///lagos/land-and-plots-for-sale

I'm into estate management/agency. Even in Victoria Island/lekki where a plot of land can go up to 50 million, depending on the size, you can still get a 50×100 for less than 5 million, and lesser than 1 million naira in places like Ikorodu and more. You can see for yourself in the link above.

Seriously? I should be the one questioning your knowledge cos I live in Nigeria, Warri, to be precise.

So, the fact remains, you're still very wrong in your money comparison.

Secondly, several job openings mean Americans can earn from multiple streams, in Nigeria there are not even enough jobs to go round. People who run two jobs starved to save their income used to establish the second business.

The issue of housing in USA is being regulated by government through accessible mortgages for those who have got impressive credit history and tax returns. In Nigeria, it is literally non-existent or performing abysmally. Backs in US are not exempted from mortgages, they may fail to access mortgages "within their means" and end up living miserable lives through their time on earth. Their problem.

Seriously? Who does it better than Nigerians when it comes to multiple streams of income? Don't make me laugh. Nobody cares about job openings here anymore cause, like you rightly said, the ones available ain't enough to go round. And this is what actually defined the average Nigerian. Many Nigerians are doing well today because out of nothing they create something for themselves. Apart from the northern part of the country that has a culture of begging (amajiris) go to the south and see how people are creating wealth against the odds with no government support. The average Nigerian youth today is far more productive than what BBC and CNN wants you to think. I live here Mr.

How many AAs businesses have access to business credit? Credit companies prefer to loan credit to white own businesses in America than to black own businesses, and one of the reasons for that is poor or no credit ratings. Why wouldn't that be when you live in a country that is highly divided across racial lines, where things and opportunities look to be equal on the surface but highly segregated in implementation.

How many black Americans own their own homes? Here in Nigeria, even the ordinary garri trader that moves garri from Isoko to Bayelsa are building houses here and there. Nobody relies on government or mortgage companies here to own homes, succeed and create wealth. That's the stark difference between the Average Nigerian millionaire and the AAs in America.

Just go over to Fiverr and Upwork and check the statistics there. You will discover that, Pakistanis are the only ones that compete with Nigerians in terms of multiple stream of income. There are thousands of Nigerians earning $1000 or more in two to three weeks on such platforms, but your BBC didn't tell you that.

Second, your claims that Nigerian millionaires are doing better in Nigeria, against their colleagues in same bracket in the USA may not be right.

If you have been keeping abreast with local Nigerian news, you must have read news of inflation, massive one. Prices of goods keep inflating, while Dollar keeps getting expensive.



Now MOST IMPORTANTLY, you lot think there are many Nigerians above 20million worth of value. That is very erroneous. I don't want to pull statistics up from my ass but truly 2/3 of "millionaires" in Nigeria are less than 20million Naira worth, and they base majorly in big cities of Lagos, Kano, Onitsha, Port Harcourt, Warri and Ogun.

Nigerians who have over 20million Naira worth are Politicians, "few" celebrities, Pastors and top class federal civil servants working in federal agencies like the Central Bank, Military, NNPC, FIRS, Customs, et cetera.

You dare not think there are many of them, otherwise Nigeria wouldn't have been the poverty capital that it is, leading in aids from foreign organizations.

Now, to the Nigerians worth less than 20 million naira, it is left for you to guess what that can do for you in the USA, when Nigerian Nurses in USA earn far more than that in a year minus tax. Like I said, you can guess how little that can go in the USA.

Here is a link belong to BBC, saying more than 60% Nigerians in Nigeria are poor. Incase you want to go on with AA versus Nigerians dick measuring contest.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-17015873&ved=2ahUKEwiAhfzPvdvpAhUMD2MBHdf4DOAQFjAJegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw38Ka5dm7p-dWE8pTdlgkgs

My friend, I live here and you can't school me on what I'm experiencing first hand. The recent uprise in the prices of goods is mainly due to the lockdown and the downward trend of the naira is due mainly to the death of the international crude oil price. Its affecting other oil producing countries too.

But here is the beauty of the whole thing, people are still creating wealth and it doesnt negate the fact that the numbers of Nigerians building homes is on the rise and higher than ever.

In fact, the recent devaluation of the naira against the dollar has very little weight considering that the government sharply reduced the domestic prices for petrol, which also have a multiplier effect on the entire economy and purchasing prowess of the naira.

Yes, I still maintain that Nigerian millionaires are doing better than their AAs counterparts whom you classified to be in the lower class. This is because, with their little millions, they build houses, expand businesses and create more wealth for themselves. How many black Americans have houses of their own?

You are even more wrong and ill inform to think that the numbers of Nigerian millionaires with 20 millions are the few in churches, military, FIRS, etc. That just get to show that you don't know how wealth is created here. You don't expect the woman that transport garri and fish and pure water from Ughelli to Bayelsa to tell u she has millions in her account. BBC didn't tell you that more than 90% of the people building and owning their own houses in Nigeria are not working in any government ministries or agency, not in the armed forces and not in any oil company or leaders of any church, but are people who are engaged in one business or the other.

Besides, your definition of a millionaire is stereotypical and restricted to the American way. Here in Nigeria, a millionaire is the mama-put woman or the petty trader who created wealth for herself, send her children to school, buy land and build a home for themselves. How many AAs have that?

jacksonkennedy:
are you serious? Let me tell you...a black American is most likely going to be in debt and a tenant. The number of residential duplexes and mansions in Lagos and Abuja alone are more than the homes actually owned by African Americans. I have not included duplexes and mansions in other cities across Nigeria.
Apart from the entertainers and sports personalities, most blacks work 9 to 5. In Nigeria you have many businesses men involved in hardcore businesses like oil and gas, etc. How many blacks own oil wells or are involved in resource extraction business in America? Zero!

What exactly do you think African Americans own? Why do you think all the black stars came from poverty and sold crack on the streets? Do you know that there are more black Americans in prison than Nigerians in prison! Yet black Americans are not even a quarter of Nigeria population.

Can you tell me 2 African Americans who own industries that produce physical products? All of them with very few exceptions are entertainers and sports personalities. Is that sustainable?

Do you know that Davido lives better than some top black stars that you know of? You are checking naira in terms of dollars and not in terms of what it can buy for you in Nigeria. We built a duplex in Ibadan with 50k dollars. In new Jersey, you can't even buy a one room self contained built 100 years ago with 50k

Men, you just hit the nail on the head. That was the point I was trying to show him also.

The exchange value of your money doesn't make you rich, it is what it can buy you where you live that makes you rich. That is why there are many and will always be many well-off Nigerians in terms of business and personal success compared to their brothers in AA.

Just imagine, in spite of the senseless government and bad leadership this nation has been exposed to for many decades, the average Nigerian still does comparatively well in business and personal success. Even with no constant electricity, bad roads, and overall poor infrastructure, people still hustle and make it in business. What would happen if we have electricity constant and good roads takes over? In the next decade, nobody will recognize this country again because, Nigerians are workaholics when it comes to personal development and business management. The numbers of people owning their own buildings in Nigeria is in all time high. If we can have constant power supply, many things will take shape in this country.

flyingpig:
Jesus Christ miss are you really doing this

Millionaires in Nigeria are equivalent to lower class middle men in USA, when you highlight the low purchasing power of the Naira.

Mind you, more than 60% of Nigerians spend less than $1 per day according to UN.


Btw, those buildings are multinational companies, banks and federal government agencies

Millionaires in Nigeria are equivalent to lower middle class in America? Man, this is a fallacy. You said a lot of sensible things earlier, bit this one isnt correct at all.

The comparable value of your money isn't what make upu rich, Rather, its the Purchasing power of your money that actually make you rich.

An AA can have $10,000, which is about 1.2 million in Naira, but still may not be able to buy a plot of land in New York City. Whereas, a Nigerian with 1.2 million can buy a plot of land in an Economic hub center like Lagos. What makes the difference isn't the exchange value between the two currencies, but the purchasing power parity (PPP). That is why there are less poor people in China compared to America, despite the latter being the world's number one economy in terms of GDP.

So, your assertion that Nigerians millionaires are equivalent to lower class Americans is way over the hills. Nigerian millioniares are doing better in Nigeria compared to the people you classified them with in America.

TripleOh7:
The aboriginals that the British colonized and killed and have been treating like shit ever since they stole their lands are the Red Indians.

I'm sure you've read the story of Pocahontas before.

But even if blacks will outnumber whites in the US of A in decades to come, it won't mean shit if the blacks are still psychologically enslaved to the whites.

Mental chains are way stronger than physical chains.

Blacks all over the world generally speaking are under the mental colonization of the whites.

We are bound by their mental chains.

What we can do is either to wage a war and enslave the whites for 1,000 years

Or

We start training our kids to view themselves as gods.

You just spoke my mind. You're very informed.