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Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 11:39am On Jan 31, 2022
Nicenixon:
just compare your first and second comment and see how fool and idiotic you are. Werey sef wan prove say he get brain, well I no get your time, next time pls read people's comment well before jumping to quote them ok, and stop displacing how slowpoke you are, that is a nice advice for you. Bye till you get sense.
You know nothing about foreign affairs yet you won't allow your pride to accept corrections. Just move on.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 11:26am On Jan 31, 2022
okeysoninv:
king of the north is Russia for sure. in the time of Armageddon the anti Christ led by king of the north, east of the china and Arab countries Will lead a multitude of armies about 200 millions into attacking Israel. they will meet their Waterloo when Christ will show face. Read ur Bible from Daniel, Ezekiel, revelation you will see clearly.. usa is Babylon the great of the old testament.
Are you aware that it's God express will that they should attack Israel? They would not want to attack but God would make them to attack so he can destroy them. That's God balancing the equation of Justice.

USA is not Babylon the great of the old testament, but mystery Babylon whom through her whoredoms the whole world is corrupted. So she will have to burn by nuclear fire.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 5:53am On Jan 31, 2022
[quote author=Nicenixon post=109823736][/quote]Please learn how to quote posts properly when using the quote buttons, it's free. cool.

Heck, I can't even make sense of what you wrote because it sound senseless.

Why is America retrieving it's plane that crashed into the sea?

According to you, they are retrieving it because everything inside that plane is classified. Lmao. You sound like a baby. Ask yourself, if the plane had crashed on a hard surface saying, on Earth or on rocks, it would have been shattered to pieces, then would they have bothered with retrieving it? I guess not, except they want to make sure no one gets hold of the coating material, which by then would have been useless.

But since this one skidded (not even a real crash per se) into water, common sense demands that they retrieve it because it is still very much intact, not just for the sake of the so-called classified capabilities of the plane.

Then you asked the most stupidly bizarre question afterwards:

"Have you seen America selling their new technologies to anyone recently?" undecided

This shows you're just a blind fanatic. The F35 you are so proud of has been sold to several American allies and partners in crimes. If it is so highly classified and indispensable technology like you claim, why is the US selling it (even coercing some nations to buy)? undecided

Are you aware that the US till date has refused to sell the F22 stealth fighter to any nation? It means the US places much value on the F22 than on the F35, and that speaks volumes. It simply entails that the F22 has more classified capabilities the US doesn't want anyone else to have aside its military. And by extension, it means the F35 despite all the glory and hype accorded it, is dispensable and rightly dubbed a flying coffin. grin

The rest of your post isn't worth replying because they made no valid point worthy of rebuttal.

Adieu.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 5:23am On Jan 31, 2022
seunny4lif:
F35A crashed
F35B Crashed
F35C Crashed
All of those overrated F35 have crashed cheesy
The plane is dogged with problems upon problems for such a highly rated and expensive fighter. I fear for most of the pilots.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 5:20am On Jan 31, 2022
Jokerman:
Trump supporter.... you try....
If busting your warp narrative makes one a Trump supporter, that's okay.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m):
okeysoninv:
you have to understand ideal of communism which anti Christ will come out from. Beside, Russia opposing evangelism is anti Christ. If you understand meaning of anti Christ. The one who oppose christ. Well, William Marion Branham has already told us to watch Russia and China.. he who has ear let him hear. Our gladness is Christ will cut short the reign of antiChrist .
CORRECTED.

The Anti-Christ isn't coming out of any communism. Like I said earlier, the Anti-Christ for now is a system that would later have religious and political power, which the one whom Satan is going to posses directly would assume leadership and demand to be worshipped. The person of the Antichrist is going to be a pope. So I don't understand where you got your communism from. Besides, present day Russia isn't a communist state anymore, but a capitalist democracy.

I beg your pardon, when the Prophet said 'watch Russia and China,' he simply meant we should keep track of events that concerns those country as they form the core of our time-piece (Israel inclusive) for homegoing. He never said they are the Anti-Christ. Rather, he described them as God's judgement upon the US-led western civilization that has destroyed the world with their abominable deeds.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 5:04am On Jan 31, 2022
neuf:
I could reply you but you don't even know USCENTCOM is in America not Iraq.

and then you mention Kazakhstan. Do you even any Knowledge of Geography?

or do you even know what mobilisation entails?
lmao. US Central Command for the Middle East was located in Iraq in 2015, don't be daft.

Stop being knowingly ignorant. The CSTO mobilisation to Kazakhstan was so rapid as such that military analysts couldn't help taking notes. Geography my foot.

Why don't you define mobilisation... The fact that no bureaucracy surrounded the mobilisation makes it a great success at such short notice. Imagine if this was NATO....God knows how many political hiccups it would have gotten before even thinking of assembling a meaningful force.

Don't delve into issues when you know nothing about it. It is someone that is ignorant that would say Russia lacks logistic and mobilisation capacity to wage war.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 5:19pm On Jan 30, 2022
neuf:
Wars are not won by what machineries you have, they can tip the scale, give you an advantage but logistics and mobilisation is what win wars and that cost a fortune. Something China can afford but Russia can't.
Russia can't afford logistics and mobilisation? You're highly ignorant. The problem with folks like you is that either you equate everything to the Dollar value, instead of PPP of the country concerned or you relied too much on western media lobsided narrative and sheer misinformation drive. Either or both of these has been the undoing of your views about Russia's ability to wage war. But the reality speaks otherwise.

In early 2015, when a Russian general stepped into the office of the US CENTCOM office in Iraq, and handed a 'One hour clear-the-air' notice to the US military, and the next day saw Russian planes pounding the 'moderate' from the rebels in Syria with Kalibre cruise missiles from submarines crossing various countries to hit their targets deep inside Syria, which effectively ended the American dream of overthrowing Assad and swing the tide back to the regime, most American analysts and propangadised politicians were left in shock. The US Senate committee on Defence even summoned Pentagon and demanded explanations on how was Russia so able to mobilized rapidly at such short notice cool. You know why? Because, just like you, they have been fed the misinformation narrative that Russia doesn't have the economy to afford logistics and quick mobilisation of such magnitude beyond its borders. Same mistake you are making now.

If the recent brouhaha in Kazakhstan is anything to go by, you shouldn't have made this ignorant comment. The CSTO was able to mobilize and deploy so rapidly at short notice that has won much commendations from critics alike, and 90 percent of that troop and deployed techs were made up of Russian forces. This is not the 1990s when the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia was left static and witless. This is a new Russia in every sense of the world new, and recent realities indicated that your claims that Russia has no logistics and ability to mobilize was not only misinformed but a manifestation of western propaganda. You will do well to see Russia in new light. Facts don't lie.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 4:24pm On Jan 30, 2022
okeysoninv:
Russia's Newest Law: No Evangelizing Outside of Church
(UPDATE) Putin signs new restrictions that limit where and how Christians share the gospel.
Body of Christ can't be deceived by antics of anti Christ, for the devil came as a deceiver pretending to be a man of peace.
Lmao, I'm aware of that law but the primary target of that law was the so-called Jehovah witnesses group whom we know operate like a cult (apology to any witness in the house). That said, what is wrong is wrong, but using this alone to clarify Russia as Anti-Christ doesn't make sense because many other supposed Christian societies have down far worse. For example, prayers in the name of Jesus are not allowed in American public schools, how about that for an Anti-Christ label? undecided

Heck, If you're a Christian worker working in an American court, and two gay couples came to you for wedding, the law says you have to respect their fundamental rights and married them against your wish, even though it contravene your Christian doctrines. Isn't that Anti-Christ also?

I still hold that Russia isn't the Anti-Christ as some of us wants to believe, although they enacted some Anti-Christian rules like many countries across the globe.

The Anti-Christ is more of a system that cut across societal socio, economic and political lives, not just an attribute of one country. It would remain a system until that man of sin described in Thessalonians will finally emerge as the sole human figurehead of that system which would then gain both religious and political power to act.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 3:46pm On Jan 30, 2022
mach7:
Every weapon system's capability including that of the F-35 is open to dispute until proven otherwise in battlefield conditions.

Don't be a fan boy without critical reasoning.
Correct.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 3:40pm On Jan 30, 2022
Originalsly:
A stealth jet.....with cockpit open... sitting at the bottom of the ocean.... wlll soon rise and fly again. Really? Man of international affairs indeed.
grin grin
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 3:38pm On Jan 30, 2022
Remman:
the US that does many checks before flying anything into the air? Lol... Only a fool will think it's a genuine crash. they're faking the crash to pass a false message about the US navy in order to trigger a rival country to attempt an attack. It's an intentional crash otherwise it wouldn't have happened on the water. Who knows how many things went into the sea as it crashed just to penetrate China? Lol. We've seen this kind of scenerios in movies. This is a big brain and NASA has made us know that many "media geniune news approved by the government" are faked. Ask them about the moon landing as well as UFOs in space and see the answer you'll get
What nonesense excuse are you cooking up on behalf of uncle Sam? Even Biden in his diapers would be disappointed in this senseless narrative. The plane crashed, and planes do crash, so stop making up excuses that holds no sensual reality.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 3:30pm On Jan 30, 2022
PeaceJoyLove:
You arent up to date. If you are, you will never write this. The christians in the US interceding for her are just so many. Nothing will happen to the US. We have been hearing this kind of talk for ages, but the US has been growing stronger.

Oga, as along as "In God we Trust" is on their paper (dollar bills) they spread round the world, nothing is shaking "Nomerica". Even Chinese people hold in their hands "In God we Trust". Iranians, Arabians, Bla bla bla...all hold it in their hands. Do you really know the spiritual implication of that?

So, you expect the devil to fold hands and not hit America. Those homosexuality acts and other stuff are normal. Even when power was in Rome, devil pushed it there. So, it's normal. But the US has been able to rise up to the occasion evertime.

You better keep supporting US to be in power. See eh. You will return to darkness if otherwise. Go on the internet and see the volume of free info the US releases daily. Harvard Review, Stanford papers, free online udemy education, Coursera cheap courses, etc. Is it not US? Ok, go support China and see if they wont close up all. Or is it Russia? Go ask anyone who has traveled to russia how secretive they are. They wont show you details. Because of the US, many of us in Africa can partake from the goodness in technology. Why? They released free materials for us in this underdeveloped world to connect with them. Is that not wonderful?

If not for America, many of us in Africa will never see light. Who supported Ngozi Iweala to be the WTO boss? Is it not the US?

You cannot be world power and not face challenges. Decisions must be made. But let me tell you, there are genuine christians in that country praying for the peace of the nation.

Even, America is a friend of Israel more than Nigeria. Lol. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem is what the Bible says.

Forget it bro. US is not going down any soon. I am also a christian, and I see in the spirit. US is not going down soon. The US is the world power and will continue to be for many years to come. If you want us discuss it, I will give you facts and figures you can check. And if it is spiritual insights, I have so much that if you are spiritual sensitive, you will know God is still with the US.

See, maybe my friend Eviana will tell you more. This is a topic I would love the moniker to speak on. I can trust the moniker's unbiased analysis here. Where the US is failing, I know the moniker will say it the way it is. I have read some of the moniker's analysis in the past. For me, I can listen to anyone who can teach me. In this regard, listen to that moniker so you can learn well.

Goodluck sir!
You are so wrong that you don't even know it. America is a dead man walking, it's folks like you that still think it's all bird and roses. If this wasn't a politics session, I would have love to educate you on this point. A true believer of Christ knew that America is living on borrowed times, for the sake of the few elect left and it's very close to midnight. You just don't know it. Open your eyes brother.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 3:23pm On Jan 30, 2022
Nicenixon:
The reason why America can't be underated is that they don't display their latest advance weapon arsenal unlike China or Russia. They used helicopters with low sound to access Biladin's compound in Afganistan without raising alarm for the terrorist to escape, and that was the first time they used that kind of helicopter on a mission. No other country knew America have add that kind of helicopter to their arsenal. China or Russia will not attack America and neither will America attack any one of them. Economic power is the most powerful weapon now, not military power, no country is ready to go war because war disrupt economy.
Another ignorant post. Just admit you just don't know where to look and get information about US latest military techs. US display their military technology just as every other nations do because they want buyers to acquire them. You don't watch military tech trade shows that operate like a fare, so you don't know about American tech on display.

The reason you hear noise about Russia and Chinese weaponry is because the MSM sees it as Breaking News each time someone other than America create something that is on par or better than America, they overblow it to high heavens... It's all part of the corrupt elite MIC contractors game plan to ask for more money from the government through news screaming that the advsersery now has better weapons and there is need to counter them through increased fundings. This is the reason Russia and of late China can never cease to be boogymen in the eyes of American corrupt politicians that work with the MIC because they need them to keep repeating the heist and theft of the American taxpayers.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 3:09pm On Jan 30, 2022
goodheart01:
Who would have believed such a new jet exists, and no one even knows when it was tested and acquired by the US Navy.

Like I will always say, "That Area 51 and the entire Nevada desert is a blessing to the US. And that's why they can test and operate their latest weaponry there without the knowledge of anyone, just as they did with this same new jet"
For the love of Christ, the F35-C isn't a new jet, is the same F35 that was produced by Lockheed Martins way back in 2005. The 'C' is to show that it is a variant of the plane designed to accommodate the need of the US Navy carrier fleet, just as you have other variants like F35A for short takeoff and landing, and F35B for short takeoff and vertical landing. Otherwise, it's the same plane that has been plagued with one problem and another.

I hope this help your ignorance? undecided
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 2:51pm On Jan 30, 2022
goodheart01:
When u tell some people on nairaland to reason before they talk dem go dey shalaye. Most of dem think because China and Russia keep showcasing weapons and that means they're more prepared and the US isn't preparing anything. How can a rational thinker feel the US will fold it's hands and relax? Who would have believed such a new jet exists, and no one even knows when it was tested and acquired by the US Navy.

Like I will always say, "That Area 51 and the entire Nevada desert is a blessing to the US. And that's why they can test and operate their latest weaponry there without the knowledge of anyone, just as they did with this same new jet"

Let me keep watching and laughing shaa... Russian and Chinese wannabes over to u
Your ignorance is alarming. There are Russians and Chinese working in Area 51.

BTW, every A-rated military power have classified technologies, at the end, they get to be known. So there is nothing special about Area 51 and the Nevada forest that people don't already know.
Lmao...Russia is more than twice bigger than the United States and have more areas to test and develop classified technologies. So stop making it look like a big deal.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m):
okeysoninv:
just like the prophet William Marion branham said in 1933. America judgement nearer than before. just watch it , it won't take next 10 yrs before America will turn to ashes . and the rise of anti Christ Russia and China will come to hold .
Yes, William Braham foresaw the nuclear destruction of America, and so did Alois IrImeir, A.A Allen, and several other prophetically gifted individuals.

But I sometimes marvel while some of you describes Russia as Anti-Christ when in reality Russia is one of the few remaining bastion states of Orthodox conservative Christianity left in the spiritually dead west. That discription may in a way fit China but certainly not Russia.
Whatever, Russia is God's judgement of vengeance against the American led west that has tossed Godliness from their civic lives. It's only a matter of time.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 2:32pm On Jan 30, 2022
Mescana22:
A Class Stealth Fighter?
I bet my balls some people on nairaland never knew such machines exist!

China said they have no interest in there jet, Lol I doubt if they can even operate the avionics

USA is not anyone’s mate! Once found they jet will fly again, it just skipped the runway! Not a normal crash!

I stand with China in peace ! But if they USA are not there, will they not bully the smaller countries? Hypocrites
Double standards. What of the nations America has bullied and destroyed across the globe?
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Navy's Newest Stealth Fighter Crashes Into The Sea by Appleyard(m): 2:26pm On Jan 30, 2022
KaluwisxPRO:
It’s not western propaganda, you have to think twice before going against the US. Russia got their own doze of casualty a few weeks ago. Have you read their response to Ukraine recentlyhuh

BIDEN has made it clear to Russia that Ukraine being a member of NATO is non negotiable. They’ve accept that fact and are now trying to renegotiate a way out via a security deal.

You think having the biggest war chest is by mouth.
Russia accepted Ukraine being a member of NATO? Even Biden's wet diapers would wonder where the hell you get your news from. You're drawing conclusions without actual facts on ground. Take a break.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Hypersonic Missile Fails Anew In Third Trial by Appleyard(m): 5:30pm On Jan 06, 2022
Hanibbal:
Third trial keh? This should be the 6th failed trial if not 7th sef. cheesy
Na Russia and China own that technology make U.S. just stick with ballistic missile jor. grin
They will get it eventually. But not after corrupt contractors and politicians have milk the government dry.
Foreign Affairs › Re: South Korea Grounds F-35 Fleet After Malfunction Forces 'belly Landing' by Appleyard(m): 5:27pm On Jan 06, 2022
One thing the media is failing to report is that the plane flew near Chinese military asset and possible Chinco EW system may have done this.

Whatever, the F35 is one hell of a flying problematic nightmare for it's pilots.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia’s Aggression Against Ukraine Is Backfiring!!! by Appleyard(m): 12:22am On Dec 31, 2021
All these long epistle for no sensible output. Nonesense.
Foreign Affairs › Re: North Korea Banned Citizens From Laughing For 11 Days (Photos) by Appleyard(m): 5:29pm On Dec 17, 2021
Ayobami7:
If fake news could have a name it will be this piece of trash

So I should believe this because a "source" said so?
There many foreign media in NK none reported this "news" but a source decided to tell the world
But who cares? As far it's North Korea it is true
You just said my mind. If you want to sell a piece false news, just fabricate something about N.K.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Political Leaders Considering Nuclear Attack On Russia Are Insane - Gabbard by Appleyard(m): 6:18pm On Dec 15, 2021
emae009:
If you can't see things from a neutral perspective then this conversation is done.
Since from the beginning, you've so wanted to rope America into the conversation.

The Georgia you mentioned, their first request was rejected, Ukraine and Russia make it 3 yet you are asking how many has been rejected.

Conversing with you is of no point actually. Cause all what you wanted to do was blame the US for Russia mistake. But how can Russia make a mistake when they are always the victim right?

In the same Europe, there are countries that are Pro-Russia, there are Neutrals also in the same Europe but you're not interested in that. You just wanted to shift the conversation to rope America in and have a villain you so hate.

At least I'm sure you're not only one what will read this so for posterity sake.
Let's examine one of your conspiracy theory.
So America since they don't have what to do didn't just Institute a regime change in a country but somehow managed to get a majority of parliament to be elected just so they can request to join NATO. Then they also have to lobby around for these countries to then be accepted into the organization.
All these had to happen because saying Russia were aggressive to this states which played a large part in them wanting to join NATO will somehow not make America the big bad wolf you so desperately want it to be.

As a wise man once said "sometimes the simplest solution is the best answer"

that's all I will leave you with.
America and it's hegemonic quest is the number one threat facing the world's peaceful order today.

Your lovely America is in the Philippines where they have been asked to live but they refused. So much for America not maltreating others. One day, the fowl of the bully will come home to roost.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Political Leaders Considering Nuclear Attack On Russia Are Insane - Gabbard by Appleyard(m): 4:47pm On Dec 15, 2021
emae009:
Sometimes it baffles even the feeble mind how you guys think.
Let's leave aside which side you're on for now and focus on what is and what isn't.

You ask why Russia was rejected. I gave you my answer which is the answer you'll get anywhere because it just doesn't make sense why Russia should even want to join NATO in the first place.
If my answer is so cherry picked and blinded. How come you didn't give us, this honorable forum the real reason why they were rejected.
here lies what you wrote:

In what universe does this explain anything?
Sure, what you were trying to portray is how NATO hates Russia and probably wants to invade it.
Cool, now why would Russia want to join an organization whose sole purpose is its destruction? Does that even make sense.
That's like the US wanting to join Chino-Russian alliance. It makes no sense as the alliance was created to push back the US.

That's the question you ask and you have the audacity to say I don't understand geopolitics.
I termed your answer as cherry picked because you refuse to see or want to see anything wrong with NATO and it's Eastwards expansion.

In fact, the moment you raised that "conspiracy theory" thrash point, it dawn on me you're just one of those western pro fanatics whose minds and soul is sealed from reality. This is the sole reason others have ceased from taking you serious.

Nice try in wanting to sound neutral, but you're not.

You'll write long epistle just to make no point or any reasonable sense at all.
NATO in its formation was to simply put stop communism from expanding into mainland Europe. After the fall of Germany, the Soviet Union was a strong force and so the alliance was formed with the US.
The Soviet Union broke up, those new independent countries start requesting to join NATO. If you're not so hung up on Russia being the victim you'd see from a neutral stand that for an organization whose sole purpose was to stop Russia expansion, that's a dream scenario.

NATO don't go about or I haven't heard or seen where they go into a country and try to lobby them to join the organization.
Those countries request to join and they are either accepted or rejected.
There are still countries in Europe that holds a neutral stand.
Your writing reeks of sheer ignorance. How many nations have asked to join NATO and were rejected? Name them. NATO was formed explicitly to counter and prevent any futuristic drive by the Soviet Union and it's Warsaw Pact allies into Western Europe. But today, the Cold War has ended and the Soviet Union and it's Warsaw Pact is no more. What is NATO still doing around? Who was or is threatening to invade Europe? (Maybe your village people.)

They rejected Russia's request to join then because without Russia, the premise for NATO relevance and existence is dead. There must be an enemy called Russia for NATO to thrive and remain relevant. This was why Russia requested to join because their membership would have buried the perception of 'you are my enemy' and erased the dividing line between West and East, and bring together the whole of Europe under one security pact devoid of suspicion and fear of invasion that characterize the Cold War era. But the US rejected it because it would have put their dream of global dominion to a halt. Moreover, NATO without a common enemy called Russia would have meant no more business for the MIC, for the corrupt politicians and contractors who milk the American government dry in contracts for weaponry.

So, since that had been the case, Russia have to exploit every means to ensure its own security because the US-led NATO umbrella still sees it as an enemy. The Cold War is over but the mentality never died. Like Putin said, it would be criminal negligence if they fail to guarantee their own safety, and that include stopping any further NATO encroachment near it's borders, of which Ukraine is the chief corner Stone.

Did I hear you say NATO don't go about lobbying? If what happened in Georgia 2008 and in Ukraine 2014 doesn't open your eyes to realities, then I'm sorry you have been propagandized beyond redemption.

Victoria Nuland's "Bleep the EU" was all over the place. NATO lobbyist working under the shadows of US secret services and CIA sponsored NGOs like USAID, NED, etc, were in Georgia working overtime to drum support for the country's to lean towards NATO.

The last 7 states from the formal East to join NATO didn't just wake up one day to say they wanted to join, the underground work had already be done, the leaders they need to say 'yes' and the legislative drive needed to push it through were already in place...to be fair, American covert operation planners are very effective and the best. So when the 'invitation' for them to join in 2002 came, they just said yes and was quickly ratified by the US Senate. Bush couldn't hide his excitements. It would interest you to know that Germany and France opposed it because they knew what was happening. So most of them did not actually request to join in the real sense. Rather, US covert operations (coupled with some other reasons) played a major role, and upon invitation, they simply said yes. The same trick was played in Ukraine but unfortunately, it didn't went as planned, and it's during the coup debacle it came to light that the US foreign department has spent $5 billion in Ukraine through NED. Ask yourself, what was that money being used for? cool

Like I said, this is geopolitics, if you don't know, you don't know.

Adieu.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Political Leaders Considering Nuclear Attack On Russia Are Insane - Gabbard by Appleyard(m): 1:43pm On Dec 15, 2021
emae009:
Not every country in Europe is part of NATO. Something so simple can elude you guys but sure come up with some conspiracy to make sense.
what did you think I meant by this.
When folks like you come up with the "conspiracy theory" nut case mantra, it just put to show their inability to reason logically. Any one who bring this up as an excuse isn't what debating with because it's clear that he don't even know that the term was coined to derail the Truth Movement.

As with any organization, NATO reserve the right to accept or reject your request.
Whether that makes sense to you doesn't change that fact.
This just shows that you simply do not understand geopolitics. If you understood the political historical Dynamics at play between the East (Russia and the formal Soviet space) and the West (the US-led NATO), you wouldn't have come up with this lame excuse. And if this is suppose to be your answer to why Russia's request to join NATO was rejected, then I must say I'm completely disappointed. But, on a second though, I shouldn't be disappointed really because it's all conspiracy theory after all. cool


Like I said, come up with a conspiracy theory. FYI, this isn't the first time Ukraine requested to join. They were rejected the first time and required to make some internal adjustment before they can be considered.
Does that mean NATO was planning something against Ukraine??
Nonsense! The NATO plan to expand Eastwards was already in motion even before Bush came to power. NATO Eastwardexpansion is a project to achieve strategic advantage, but I guess folks like you don't even know it. In 2002, Ukraine formally asked NATO for MAP, and President Bush welcomed it but did not lobby other NATO crucial members to push for it because he and they understood that UKRAINE IS Russia's REDLINE. Stop painting another picture.

Even as war-proned as the Bush family was, and crazy as Trump was, all of them (including Germany and France) understood the reality of geopolitics and crossing a Russian Redline. But folks like you who cherry pick sides create their own world of fantasy and when confronted with reality, they sing the conspiracy theory mantra.

Friend,you will do well to stay within your league.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Political Leaders Considering Nuclear Attack On Russia Are Insane - Gabbard by Appleyard(m): 6:40pm On Dec 14, 2021
emae009:
Not every country in Europe is part of NATO. Something so simple can elude you guys but sure come up with some conspiracy to make sense.
While the person the made that comment for finally understood what I was trying to imply.
If you don't, I can't help you.
Don't be daft. I asked you to ponder and answer the question: why did they refused Russia's request to join NATO?

I will be waiting. Don't run in circles.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Political Leaders Considering Nuclear Attack On Russia Are Insane - Gabbard by Appleyard(m): 6:36pm On Dec 14, 2021
MangekyoAlt:
Anyone who thinks the US would do anything is deranged, if not even demented. Getting involved would spell doom for them.

Bush pushed Georgia into going hard on pro Russians living in Georgia. Russia marched their armed forces into Georgia, dealt with the "supposedly" well trained Georgian soldiers within a week. USA did no more than wail

Russia marched into Ukraine in 2014 and annexed the Russian speaking Crimea. Obama no make pim. Na sanctions he sanction russia.

Now, Biden has threatened russia with the same sanctions. He even said the USA sending troops to Ukraine is not on the table grin

Who Wan die for matter wey no concern them?
Everyone knows Biden is a joke.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Political Leaders Considering Nuclear Attack On Russia Are Insane - Gabbard by Appleyard(m): 4:12pm On Dec 11, 2021
MangekyoAlt:
I get your point. But while the Russians have made the mistake of not pampering Ukraine, as you've said, expecting them to fold their hands and watch while they allow us to come and build systems that could be used to hurt Russians isn't acceptable. It wouldn't be accepted by any big or at least strong country.

Meanwhile, you're making a big deal out of their relationship. It's as you said. Us fought wars with Canada, Britain, Mexico etc in history. Are they not friends now after a few years or decade?

The way you put it you're sounding as if Ukraine and Russia are gonna be enemies forever. Canada and USA fought before, after a few years, they're friends.

It is possible that Ukrainians and Russians would become friends again after a few years or even decades. Doesn't matter. That could happen after putin leaves power.

But before that happen, Russia SHOULD make sure US aren't allowed to build weapons that would undermine their security even if it means going to war. If that happens, getting them off would be extremely difficult.
Lmao. Says who that Russia didn't pamper Ukraine hence the acrimony of Ukraine towards Russia? For the love of Christ, Russia have done so much for Ukraine than any other country in the world has done. Of all the countries Russia supplied gas, Ukraine is the cheapest. In fact, they even enjoy a whole lot of that without paying for it. Before now, Ukrainian citizens don't need work permit to work in Russia, plus other economic Incentives that was in place to make sure that Ukraine remained within Russia's sphere of interest/influence. But the US has always had plans for Ukraine. What is happening today is the handiwork of the US and it's warhawks who always want to make an enemy from Russia. The formented coup of 2014 organized by USAID and NED, one of the US NGOs fronting for the CIA to achieve it's colour-coded revolutions that topples legitimate governments that doesn't serve their interest was the reason this enschewing problem is around. Western medias, most of which we know are controlled by the CIA did a perfect demonization job, painting the pro-Russian then Ukrainian president, Yanukovich black like panther, simply because he rejected a proposed pro-west deal in favour of a much better Russian proposed economic package. Immediately, NED protesters took to the streets, and a number of strategically placed secret and unknown snipers took out some of the innocent protesters and the plan worked well. Violence erupted just as they planned it, and the first primary goal was achieved--Yanukovich was forced out of government and fled to Moscow. It was a covert operation designed to bring Ukraine into NATO one step at a time, but it wouldn't have been possible with a Russian speaking president at the helms. So he has to go and they did it perfectly (even some Russian military strategists couldn't help but give credit to the US covert operation planners for such a neat job cool).

But the Russian secret service saw it all coming... cool and they allowed it to play out.

Because...they too have their own endgame.. cool

And it was a shocker when it unfolded... cool

Russia did not only annealed the US plans over Ukraine and by extension in far away Syria, it siezed the 'wonderful opportunity' to bring back Crimea (without firing a single shot) and secured the Eastern frontiers of the strategic Naval ports in a way guaranteeing that Sevastopol warm water ports will never fall into the hands of the enemy, thus reasserting itself as a master of the geopolitical game. cool

It was such a terrible experience for the US warhawks, military and strategic planners in so much that they even shamelessly called in their military top brass and demanded an explanation on how come Russia was able to do that? cool I blame them not, because they're so used to the Hollywood and Western media idea that Russia is just a bunch of inexperienced, cash strapped military with old, rickety and less advanced military capabilities , nukes aside.

Since then, the Russian-Ukrainian frontiers have not known peace, and it would never know peace as long as warhawks in the US remain because they need an ENEMY, and Russia (plus China in recent times) is always a perfect choice. Moreover, the US-led NATO plan for Ukraine is still on and isn't going anywhere soon.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Political Leaders Considering Nuclear Attack On Russia Are Insane - Gabbard by Appleyard(m): 3:14pm On Dec 11, 2021
emae009:
Dude!.
Which Country burned down the White House?
Which Country did the US annexed New Mexico from?
How did the US even become a state?
Have you ever read of the fights between Britain, France; Spain, Portugal?
Let me not even talk about Germany.
Turkey and Greece are fighting over a gulf.
Japan was bombed by the US.
Are those all not differences?
but when it was cause for the greater good, they set aside their differences and worked together.
Working together doesn't mean the like each other.
The US is not really loved in France.
Japan dislikes South Korea but the have a unifying figure in America.

Russia was supposed to be the Mother bear for the Eastern states but how well have they done that.
China was supposed to be the unifying figure in Asia but how well are they doing that.
They are so focused on world domination that they are exposing their Achilles heels.

I'm not here today to engage in the useless America and Russia tic for tac on Nairaland.
All I'm saying and still saying is what causes these countries to choose NATO?

I'm not avoiding your question just don't want to answer it because I know how this plays out on Nairaland. so if I answer it maybe you will finally answer mine or as usual you'll come up with another ridiculous one.
Yes, the US will rain down fire and brimstone if Canada considers Russia. (You're happy, bravo!).
Now why hasn't Canada chose Russia? You see? The US knows they don't want the enemy close to home so I pointed out since my first post and you still don't grasp something so simple, they allow Canada a lot of leg room so that in any scenario, Canada will always be pro west.
They do sanctioned Canada if you must know.
Why isn't Russia playing the same ball with her own backyard. Go figure
I find it funny but at the same time sad that you are just being sentimental without any sense of logical deduction. Again, I can forgive your ignorance because you have demonstrated over time that you don't understand geopolitics. If you do, you won't even been asking why is Russia trying to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. Well, like I said, let's forgive your ignorance. But let me drop something for you to ponder: Russia have asked to join NATO but they turned down their request? Have you asked why? Does it make sense to you? Think brother. cool

Now you have the chance to reason geometrically, not like a robot, and come out with a sensible argument. cool
Foreign Affairs › Re: Political Leaders Considering Nuclear Attack On Russia Are Insane - Gabbard by Appleyard(m): 2:53pm On Dec 11, 2021
emae009:
I like how you grossly overlook the facts that Ukraine is a sovereign nation and with that have the right to do as it pleases.
if Russia doesn't want NATO close to it's backyards then stop bullying your neighbors to show influence and power.
Ever wonder why the US is always very quick to resolve issues with Mexico and Canada??
China is now doing the same thing as Russia and what is the result? You simply do not understand geopolitics, so I can forgive your ignorance.
more countries in the SCS are joining pacts with the US.
They are not doing it because the like the US, they are doing it to survive.

But sure, let's overlook that facts are pain America as the bad guys. You know that usually makes the headlines
Foreign Affairs › Re: Political Leaders Considering Nuclear Attack On Russia Are Insane - Gabbard by Appleyard(m): 2:51pm On Dec 11, 2021
MangekyoAlt:
That would depend on how the US treats this tbh. Russian strongman, Vlamidir Putin has been trying to negotiate and reach a deal with the NATO to stop expanding eastwards. He said it would criminal for him to sit down and watch Ukraine join NATO, giving US and allies the green light to build short ranged ballistic missiles and other missile systems just outside its borders. Take note, a short ranged missile when fired from just outside a countries border, would be impossible to take down because of the lack of time to react. Such missile would take just 5 minutes to reach Moscow from Ukraine. So I 100% understand why putin is trying to reach a deal with them to stop expanding to the east and to countries that share border with them.

What is going to cause war now is the USA forming strong head. They issuing empty threats about blasting russia with nuclear weapons. Biden has threatened putin that his "red lines" claims would fall on deaf ears and that there's nothing he can do about them adding Ukraine into NATO.

From a Russian perspective, it is only war that can help protect their interest and securities now.

They need to take over the part of Ukraine that share borders with them, if not even the entire Ukraine.

So maybe yes. If efforts aren't put to disperse this tension, WW3 may come be sooner than we expect
Russia will invade Ukraine and nothing would happen. Anybody who takes that clown Biden for serious isn't aware of the realities on the ground. The US is a dying power and the only thing it can do in this matter is sanction companies and state persons. That aside, it can do nothing when Russia is involved.

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