₦airaland Forum

Virginkpekus:
Are you saying nigeria should become a one party state? Shouldn't there be opposition?

Were you not praying that Nigeria becomes an all PDP nation and you hated APC so badly?

jimyjames:
Left South East behind what exactly? Is belonging to a big party an achievement? For the whole country to belong to one party and South East stands out means South East is really United and wants to separate itself from Nigeria, that's why Nigeria is afraid of giving us a referendum to vote ourselves out of Nigeria cause they know, it will be 95%/5% in favour of Biafra separation, we South Easterners I are more United than any region, I [s]we don't want to belong to one Nigeria we want [/s]out

Read your constitution Zik and Ironsi signed up to and you would not, always shouting referendum and Biafra, better go ask gidgiddy and horsepower how to get that.
Those ones are already educated enough to teach you.

LabDNA:
Even oyo a core yoruba state and traditional capital and heart of yorubaland is held by PDP. In 2023 SW will vote enmass against even against APC even if Tinubu or osinbajo is given the ticket.

Let them continue to distract themselves with what happens in the East it is in the interest of PDP.

You'd be on nairaland predicting just as you were predicting for Bayelsa and Kogi elections and what happened? By 2023 more SS states would be APC and leaving the SE to continue slaving for PDP with no gain.
Your GEJ even supported the APC candidate who won and nobody had insulted him for that, why?

Debaiz:
The guy is a typical Nigerian wailer. So ignorant I’m tempted to call it illiteracy. He claimed to be in his late thirties but didn’t know nigeria banned pasta and sugar. I showed him, he’s still telling me sugar is not on the list that I should show him.

https://www.onlinedailys.com/list-contraband-goods-nigeria/

Here are List of Contraband Goods in Nigeria by The Nigerian Custom Service

Live or Dead Birds including Frozen Poultry
Pork, Beef
Birds Eggs – excluding hatching eggs

Refined Vegetable Oils and Fats – but excluding Linseed, Castor and Olive oils. Crude vegetable oil are however NOT banned from importation.

Cane or beet sugar and chemically pure sucrose, in solid form containing added flavouring or colouring matter in retail packs.

Cocoa Butter, Powder and Cakes .

Spaghetti/Noodles .

Fruit Juice in Retail Packs.

Waters, including Mineral Waters and Aerated Waters containing added Sugar or Sweetening Matter or Flavoured, ice snow, other non-alcoholic beverages (but excluding energy or Health Drinks {Liquid Dietary Supplements} e.g. Power Horse, Red Ginseng etc) and Beer and Stout (Bottled, Canned or Otherwise packed)

Bagged Cement .

Medicaments falling under Headings 3003 and 3004 as indicated below:
Paracetamol Tablets and Syrups
Cotrimoxazole Tablets Syrups
Metronidazole Tablets and Syrups
Chloroquine Tablets and Syrups
Haematinic Formulations; Ferrous Sulphate and Ferrous Gluconate Tablets, Folic Acid Tablets, Vitamine B Complex Tablet [except modified released formulations].
Multivitamin Tablets, capsules and Syrups [except special formulations].
Aspirin Tablets [except modified released formulation and soluble aspirin].
Magnesium trisilicate tablets and suspensions.
Piperazine tablets and Syrups
Levamisole Tablets and Syrups
Clotrimazole Cream
Ointments – Penecilin/Gentamycin
Pyrantel Pamoate tablets and Syrups
Intravenous Fluids [Dextrose, Normal Saline, etc.]
Waste Pharmaceuticals.

Soaps and Detergents – in retail packs

Mosquito Repellant Coils (Mosquito Coils).

Sanitary Wares of Plastics – and Domestic Articles and Wares of Plastics (but excluding Baby Feeding bottles ) and flushing ceinstern and waterless toos toilets.

Rethreaded and used Pneumatic tyres but excluding used trucks tyres for rethreading of sized 11.00 x 20 and above .

Corrugated Paper and Paper Boards and cartons, boxes and cases made from corrugated paper and paper boards H.S. Code 4819.1000, Toilet paper, Cleaning or facial tissue, excluding baby diapers and incotinent pads for adult use
9619.00.2200 and Exercise Books.

Telephone Re-charge Cards and Vouchers
Carpets and other Textile floor coverings falling under H.S. Code 5701.10.000 – 5705.00.0000, 5516.2400, 5516.3400, and 5514.4900.00
All types of Foot Wears, Bags and Suitcases H.S. Codes 6401.10.9000 – 6405.90.9000 and 4202.11.9000 – 4202.99.9000 [but excluding Safety Shoes used in oil industries, Sports Shoes, canvass shoes all Completely Knocked Down (CKD) blanks and parts]

Hollow Glass Bottles of a capacity exceeding 150mls (0.15 litres) of all kinds used for packaging of beverages by breweries and other beverage and drink companies – H.S. Code 7010.90.4900 and 7010.9031.00.

Used Compressors – which includes; Used Air Conditioners and Used Fridges/Freezers.
Used Motor Vehicles above fifteen (15) years from the year of manufacture

Furniture – but excluding Baby walkers, laboratory cabinets such as microscope table, fume cupboards, laboratory benches (9403), Stadium Chairs, height adjustments device, base sledge, seat frames and control mechanism, arm guide and headguides. Also excluded are; skeletal parts of furniture such as blanks, unholstered or unfinished part of metal, plastics, veneer, chair shell etc.

Ball Point Pens and parts including refills (excluding tip)

Please explain all of these to him

Agboriotejoye:
You excel in comparing apples with oranges. How does Benin govt protecting their economy tally with expecting Benin to do the job of Nigerian customs for them?
How exactly does the US collaborate with Mexico to safeguard their border? Pls enlighten me.

Benin protecting her economy and Nigeria should go on destroying hers? Go through the ECOWAS protocols on movement of imported goods between member countries and come back

Agboriotejoye:
Why can't Nigeria deal with it?
How come we're banking on Benin dealing with it?
Benin banned dangote cement and dealt with it themselves. They didn't wait for Nigeria to help them deal with it.
You need to agree that customs have failed if we are looking to Benin to do their jobs for us

Benin dealt with dangote cement even when the Nigerian government looked away, Nigeria had decided to deal with Benin so their government should look away.
It takes two to tango.

The US with all her technology, wealth and all still has to collaborate with Mexico because she can't do it alone without the support of Mexico as per safe guarding her borders.

Debaiz:
You’re not talking about sugar and cement again?



Stop blabbing and accept you were ignorant.


You’re just grasping at conjectures.

Dufil didn’t start producing in nigeria in 1996 same way five alive wasn’t producing anything in nigeria in and MTN wasn’t producing recharge cards in nigeria until OBJ stopped all of them from importing.

I ask you a question. Name 10 items on that list that nigeria do not produce presently.

If you were too young when those decisions were made, don’t come here questioning people who weren’t. Instead ask questions.

In the next 10-20years, young ones would come to you with this kind of your lame argument that rice was never banned in nigeria. They will come with the same excuse the western economists is programming into your heads that protectionism don’t help any industry. All because they want to keep pushing their products into the country. When that time comes, it would be easier for you to defend ur argument than it is for me today because we have internet today as against 15years ago.

Yes we have imported spaghetti today same way we now have imported sugar but the difference is that they can’t really compete with our local sugar industry let alone kill it.

The whole point of protectionism is to protect up and coming industry and shield them away from unfavorable competition from foreign established industries. Once the industry is established, the import restriction is removed to drive down price through competition.

The problem with Dangote cement was that the corrupt govt instead of protecting small cement companies from going under when dangote was coming up, they allied dangote to buy them up thereby creating a monopoly rather than local compettition.

Kudos, your brain has enough oil and all the nuts very intact.
You've only said what I've been trying to tell that guy

Agboriotejoye:
Come you think it's Benin people that are involved in the smuggling?
Bros majority of the smugglers are Nigerians

Even the present rice smuggling palaver are Nigerian importers and smugglers, just that the Beninese government know how to deal with it but decided not to do anything about it

Ichiebillion:
if these effective measures are put in place for the next 4 years, Nigeria will start exporting rice

Sure bros

lexy2014:
According to u:

"Don't mind those unpatriotic people who can import air to breathe and water to flush their toilets, ask them how much they contribute to our forex and they start staring at you like morons."

Pls how is this related or connected with d thread? U just derailed d thread.
U accused me of complaining. Can u pls show me d "complains"? Ur comment I just quoted is a classic example of a complain. Its even worse cos u can't even answer d follow up questions to d comments that u made. So let me ask again, how much forex have u made 4 Nigeria that u are accusing other Nigerians of not generating forex 4 Nigeria? I hope u are as productive as those that u accuse of unproductivity.

U talking of obj, GEJ and yar'adua as d standard 4 measuring and justifying buharis actions. If they are d standard, that means buhari isn't better than them. Also, d 3 men u mentioned didn't promise to end medical tourism. Did they? buhari promised to end medical tourism in other to save forex, help d economy& d local health sector. Has he fulfilled d promise? How do u justify that and then u condemn Nigerians eating foreign rice?

Move on Biko, try as much as you want but you'd never derail this thread.

Agboriotejoye:
I stand corrected on the strength of ur evidence. However, here's a link which shows imported spaghetti still exists in Nigeria.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/224628-despite-ban-imported-spaghetti-still-sold-nigerian-malls.html
Note also that dufil started producing noodles in Nigeria since 1996 and as at then, noodles importation was not banned. I hope you understand what this implies as per ur argument that only import ban can encourage local production

Who is contesting if noodles and spags were allowed to be imported, were they allowed to be smuggled by Benin is the question

Agboriotejoye:
An increase in production should be followed by a reduction in price. This is because supply will increase and force price down. This has not been the case with rice so... Your rice farmers [/b]are either lying or sabotaging the economy which makes them no different from smugglers.
I never said foreign rice was cheaper and [b]I'm sure you know it has never been cheaper except you know nothing abt what you're arguing about.

The quality story is very simple. Stone, grain size and taste are different. No need denying facts. I've eaten local rice several times too so stop acting as if you're the only person who eats it.

As I've said noodles and spaghetti do not have the same trajectory as rice so I don't still get ur comparison. The dude arguing abt ban of noodles himself attested dat dufil used to import it before moving to producing locally. So, I don't see how it can be compared to rice that is being produced locally and competing with foreign rice. Hope you get the gist.

You're not a Nigerian with such statement.

You don't visit our open markets to assert this. Most Nigerians know you're lying.
Beg in the normal form and we may forgive but stop testing our resolve, even your president and ministers have not been having it easy.

Do we care is the question?

Badmouth our rice while claiming to be Nigerian but we understand you ungrateful and beggarly Ghanaians

https://9newsng.com/border-closure-ghana-businesses-may-fold-up-ghana-chamber-of-commerce/

gregyboy:
We dont need you kind in politcs you are just a pure dictator

Go to Aso Rock and tell Buhari that, borders remain shut for all we care.

Agboriotejoye:
That of cement is well known. Kindly show when importation of noodles and spaghetti was banned.
Even importation of sugar was never banned. If you have info abt that pls share

Those products you mentioned were not banned and neither was there any reported smuggling. Just import, pay the normal tariffs and move on.

Agboriotejoye:
Ok. Now tell me if local production has improved since the border closure. The evidence says otherwise.
Know that rice is not the only goods imported through the Benin port. It's because the Nigerian ports are inefficient that goods have to go through Benin. That said, rice is smuggled through our borders because our customs is compromised. Note that imported rice has NEVER been cheaper than local rice. It's the quality and the quantity that made it desirable than local rice.

Again, noodles were never produced locally before dufil came you have also said. So all these talk of tariff and border closure to encourage local production of noodles does not arise

Yes not only rice, contraband products like poultry and fish were equally imported through Benin and the government looked the other way and contravening the existing ECOWAS protocols they agreed to.

Rice production has increased and would continue to increase as attested to farmers on ground. Give us the total production of rice in 2018 and by October 2019 and let's compare.

At a point you said foreign rice was cheaper and now saying it hasn't been cheaper, your quality story doesn't add up in the markets and Nigerians can attest to it.
Several have been eating local rice before the border closure and thinking it was foreign till date.

Noodles and spags were not smuggled before now, they were duly imported and all tariffs paid which made other companies to come into the business and made prices low.

Debaiz:
Wait are you saying importation of cement, noodles and spaghetti was not banned? I’m forced to ask how old are you?

Nobody produces in an import dependent country. Even dangote was protected by the military for importing sugar before he he started producing. There’s no way any industry can survive without protection from the govt. obj had to ban importation of SA made recharge cards to promote local production.

Dufil didn’t start producing in nigeria. They started with importation. Get your facts right and stop promoting your ignorance.

Bless you Bro

Agboriotejoye:
That's not true. Noodles and spaghetti were never expensive in Nigeria. I remember 2minutes noodles then. It was cheap. The reason dufil which is not even Nigerian and owns the largest share of the market came to Nigeria is the ready market and easy access to raw materials.
That's what I'm saying though. You can encourage local production without closing borders. The tariff factor is one such example. Another is the farmers. If Nigeria can grow rice in sufficient quantity all year round, major rice mills will be encouraged to move down here. Nigeria's local rice farming is majorly at subsistence level. That's what govt needs to do. Set a target for local production and meet it. Not all dis audio rice

You can increase local production by closing the border especially after several warnings of going against the layed down rules on smuggling and the FG increased tariffs, why didn't the importers import through Nigeria?
Of course they wanted the cheaper tariffs Benin offered so that they can smuggle their goods in.

Noodles and spags were duly imported through our ports and appropriate tariffs charged which made other companies to come into the business and started production
We just started, this is November and it started in late August, it's not magic, we need time

gregyboy:
And it sells for 25k above

Let foreign go for 50k for 50kg, if you can't afford it then go for local, if you don't like local, go for other things.
Not eating rice in a week cannot fit kill local man.

Agboriotejoye:
No. You're the one who is ignorant. Show me imported noodles and spaghetti that was banned before they started producing in Nigeria. You should ask urself why dufil, dangote and flour mill started producing in Nigeria without any prodding from anybody and why we have to ban foreign rice before you can get local rice on a large scale according to your analysis.
That's where the cure from ur ignorance will start

There was no time those noodles and spags were smuggled into Nigeria, they were imported and all tariffs paid which made them more expensive and encouraged dufil, dangote etc to come in.

lexy2014:
Good u mentioned forex. What did buhari spend in London? Is it forex or naira? What did buharis cousin spend in d UK for his birthday? Is it forex or naira? By d way, how much have u contributed to Nigerias forex?

I know he's the president and can travel with members of his family just like past heads of state and that's why I didn't complain unlike you who started complaining.
OBJ, late Yar'Adua, GEJ all traveled with their families and friends on our forex and you said nothing, why bringing this as a topic?
Stop derailing abeg and face topic

lexy2014:
U wan run? Dont run. Did u open another thread b4 u started advising? Is d thread about "taken up d opportunity that buhari has offered Nigerians"? If it is, y are having difficulties answered d question? tell me how urself have taken advantage of ur advise of "taken up d opportunity that buhari has offered Nigerians"? Do u have anything to show 4 that? Obviously u even more guilty of derailing d thread.





What exactly is d thread about? Why was d border closed? Can u pls share?

You started the derailing, everyone was talking about border closure and its effects before you brought in the travel wahala, I tried pulling you back to topic by telling you to go into farming because of the border closure, you started asking about my achievement which I told you to open another thread for so myself and other Nigerians can give their testimonies.
Stop derailing abeg, you demanded something else on another thread instead of opening another thread for such.

I've given you reasons why the border was shut, scroll up to read it up

plaindealer:
The reason why things don't work in Nigeria including government policies are Nigerians and their unpatriotic, selfish, greedy and shortsighted attitudes. Nigerians are saboteurs.

It is not by force or so or die to eat foreign rice

Before blaming the government for anything, first question your own actions as Nigerians.

Nigerians are hypocrites and contradictory elements. You want to leave in a country where everything works with cheap food to eat, but you can not lift your finger to help and do your part.

Don't mind those unpatriotic people who can import air to breathe and water to flush their toilets, ask them how much they contribute to our forex and they start staring at you like morons.

Aderr:
Most of them are very stupid. He buys local rice and he still wants someone to show him proof that local rice dominates the market. The thing about Africans is that they would rather eat poison from abroad than embrace their own stuff. It's why Africa is a joke.

The thing tire me, some don't mind importing air to breathe because they believe foreign is always best even if from Cambodia, Guinea Bissau, Gambia etc.

A she for that matter

gregyboy:
..

The government will pay your hospital bills when you have appendix abi....
By the time the border is open most nigerians would have diverted thier diet to other food to conpliment rice... Then rice farmers begin to sell thier rice farms and they start exporting thier rice to other african countries who would reject it...

We take babaric laws and accept it like the foolish government. over here as a student i cant offord the rice and it keep increasing
What stop the government to give warnings before the closure or setting all necessary tools around every state before the closure so Nigerians wont feel it when the border's are closed ...
Instead he closed it barbarically to favour his kindsmen up north... This already tells after a while probably after December maybe feb the borders will be opened because it was all planed to be

The border had been shut during OBJ's time because of this same smuggling but reopened after begging and promise to repent from same countries, Nigeria had warned them on several occasions and all they do is promise, suspend operation and after 1-2 weeks resume operations with the smugglers.
I guess Coscharis, Josan and Anambra rice are owned by northerners

lexy2014:
We don't need to open another thread. This thread can accommodate every view point. Did u open another thread b4 u started giving advise about "taken up d opportunity that buhari has offered Nigerians"?

If you have nothing to say about the merits or demerits of the border closure, please swerve.
Open another thread for that and stop trying to derail this.

Face topic and stop derailing

lexy2014:
D advise u say u are giving, have u taken d advise urself? How do u put urself in a position of giving advise when u haven't even taken ur own advise? So once again I ask, tell me how u have taken advantage of & "taken up d opportunity that buhari has offered Nigerians".

As regards whether d thread is being derailed or not, can u pls intimate me once again as to why buhari closed d border.

Please open another thread for that and we can discuss, don't derail this after all I wasn't forcing anyone just advising. Let's continue with the border closure.

Buhari decided to close the border because neighbouring countries were distorting our agricultural policies by encouraging smuggling into Nigeria despite knowing that it negates the ECOWAS protocols we all signed up to.
Buhari wanted to protect our farmers and encourage them into more production so that we can have food security, that was why he increased tariffs on rice importation and warned Benin, Niger and Cameroon over the ongoing smuggling on several occasions.

When they refused to listen and act, the FG acted in the interest if Nigeria and Nigerians.

urahara:
And foreign rice in Benin is allegedly 7000 naira.

It should go lower because the excess rice headed for Nigeria is now in their custody, let them eat only rice as much as they can

Agboriotejoye:
You're correct on farmers forming political groups. It's not a bad thing but you should then realise that you can't politicise quality. It can't happen. If RIPAN claimed the onset of border closure that rice will sell for 13k and we are now buying for 18k, we should call them out for deceiving us not hail them. The problem is we don't want to put in the effort as a country but just wish to force rice production into existence. It can't happen like that.
You can agree with me that if foreign rice were allowed in, within a week, the price of rice will drop drastically even though it is of better quality. You should now ask why a product of higher quality is cheaper than that of lower quality. It's simply the availability. There's nothing you can use to cover this fact!! If local rice is available in very large quantity, I can assure you the price will drop drastically. Note that we're in harvesting season presently. What happens in January/February when dry season farming which is not done at same level as rainy season sets in?

Nice points though some I no gree o, you know that for now demand has outstripped supply and prices are bound to increase but with time and as more farmers go into production, supply and demand would equal and supply could outstrip demand which would force the price down.

Do you realize that the FG in care of the CBN is now helping interested people who want to set up mills, Coscharis Mill is one of the beneficiaries. So the FG is doing something about it. Allowing for rice imports may negate some gains made already.


I totally disagree that local rice is of lower quality, I don't know your location but where I stay, you have different brands and varieties, from the unmilled stone filled, starchy dusty one with some husk to the milled stone free and well polished rice that very many people mistake for foreign rice and not as expensive as you're stating it. Do you realize that some Nigerians rebag those well polished local rice and sell as foreign rice since some Nigerians still insist foreign is best? For their mind dem dey chop foreign rice not knowing na pure local rice dem dey on top. They'd still buy it at the price of foreign instead of local

Agboriotejoye:
Stop labeling people criminals just cause they don't agree with you.
Not everything about rice is smuggling. There's smuggling yes but dats because customs failed at their jobs.
The question is why should Nigerians be paying for customs failure.
BTW, I'm not against local rice, I used to farm it myself before i moved on to other things and I can tell you there's been no time local rice was not selling well. It can't compete with foreign rice due to quality not price. There has always been a market for it. This artificial scarcity is only robbing Nigerians to pay RIPAN who have become more of a political group lately as you can see from the op.
The govt is just creating millionaires at the expense of ordinary Nigerians.

You made valuable points and so sorry about labeling you a smuggler anyway.

Do you realize that farmers in different countries like Japan, Switzerland, the EU etc are all very strong political groups trying to protect their interest? Their governments protect and support them because they equally want their countries to be food secured.
Local rice has different brands and variety depending on your pocket, the stoned unmilled and the stone free milled and polished rice are all there so it's all about your choice and pocket.

Agboriotejoye:
Please!! Are you aware the minister for foreign affairs had a meeting with his ECOWAS counterparts last week?

What was the outcome of the meeting please?