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frosbel: Wishful thinking.

I have no doubts

Jesus is LORD , Amen.

I'm sure you do, I'm sure you do
See you on the other side soon bro

lilcutie8916: Ok where do i start . If for example u see a statue that is like a hundred years old first thing that come to ur mind is some dude carved this right. When archeologists find a triangular shaped rock with some chipings on it they say man made it as a spear head. Ok look at the brains u use in debunking ur selves and u tell me that it evolved by chance and it wasn't designed.
Our solar system arranged in perfect harmony and that also happened by chance from one big explosion. If a sculpture cant happen by chance but had to be made by someone then why cant ur perfect anatomy be made by a supreme designer.

I promised to debunk you when you provide evidence of your god right?
Just noticed Evil_Brain took the first part, so I'll deal with the second as bolded above

You have a major Foundational bias here to start with, while making a silly straw-man argument

Well, when something seems harmonious doesn't mean it is indeed one.

First thing you'll do is buy yourself a decent telescope and find a great location away from too much city light, Look at our moon and see the hundreds of large scars on it. Good evidence of a violent past as asteroids and comets were the order of the day. Colliding and constituting a nuisance in our solar system. where did these asteroids orginate from? yes! exactly what you think: planets colliding. The planets u see today are only but a remnant of that violent past. Here on earth, we can see craters like the one below
https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/barringer-meteorite-crater.jpg
Only gets you to think, our we really in perfect harmony?. The answer is two folds

1)No we arent! we just find ourselves in a world suitable for us and we tend to believe it is perfect. When you realise how much of the universe can kill u in an instant, you'll change your mind about harmony
2) We have 8 planets around our star. and well over 30% of stars are bounds to have atleast a planet in its orbit. With around 300billion stars in galaxies and over another 100billion galaxies in our OBSERVABLE universe, the possible number of planets reach unimaginable numbers well above 10²⁵. With this very large number, the probability for an improbable event to occur becomes almost 1. Basically, the "harmony" you see is an illusion

Everything caught up in the gravitational pull of our sun will be stuck there. Again, Neither of these orbits are in perfect "Harmony". come to our earth, we have 365 1/4 days around the sun for a reason. Some have elliptical orbits others have consistent orbits other have a random orbit, Same reason why Pluto was dumped out of the "league" of planets.

The Andromeda Galaxy is on a direct collision course with our innocent Milkyway Galaxy
Our sun has a limited life
An asteroid colliding with us can spell doom.
Only 21% of our atmosphere is good for our survival
Earthquakes happen at random as Plate tectonics plague our tiny planet
Yellowstone SuperVolcano can erupt any moment and cause massive devastation as the heart of our earth boils
Deserts are very hostile to life
70% of our earth is covered with water we cant use directly
Our magnetic field fluctuates when it likes

This list can go on and on. And yet you have the cheek to call this harmony? then move a step further to attribute that to your "daddy big boss"?

Your solution for evidence of god seems too childish. "I don't know how it happened so an Invincible bearded boss did it?"

I suggest you read about the big b@ng theory and what it really is about

LOL! Frosbel, you are on a good track to becoming an atheist.

Thumbs up! I know a guy who had the same doubts and came up with the same conclusions you have made now just to satisfy the questions that pop in his head about the inconsistencies in the bible. In the end, he threw everything away as the religion made less sense to him every passing day.

The more you research, the more you know, the more you know, the sooner you throw religion away.

Two years tops and you'll remember this post here

Cheers mate

Evil Brain: We don't believe in god(s) because there is no evidence to support his/her/their existence. In your first post, you claimed that there was such evidence and that it was everywhere. We're still waiting for you to point some of it out so we can examine it and either debunk it or turn from our wicked ways and become devout christians/muslims/Orunmila-worshippers.

Your move.

lol.. Exactly why I kept quiet after my first post.

Bring forth your evidence OP...

y not start up with your "evidence" of god then we can debunk them successfully to show you why we dont believe in your daddy big boss ywhw

italo: And if you use the writings of Paul, Mark and Luke, who were not among the 12, why don't you use the gospel of Barnabas?

Answer?

The catholic church makes the rules lol.

The new testament is just one big JOKE

For someone to have the balls and say God handed it "down" to people who then made copies of of copies for us is the silliest thing I'll proll ever hear on Nairaland.

The text goes on to say the originals have been LOST :O, how then can we trust what we have now?. Im damn right sure I dont wana worship a god that can't ensure his word is eternal.


I suggest everyone should search Professor Bart Ehrman and learn about the new testament

teminoni: Romans 2

5 But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself. For a day of anger is coming, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 He will judge everyone according to what they have done.


9 There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on doing what is evil—for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.10 But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all who do good—for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.

11 For God does not show favoritism.
12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law (the bible). And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. 13 For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight. 14  Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

16 And this is the message I proclaim—that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone’s secret life.


So u can see from the bolded above that even those who don't know God's laws or haven't heard of him will still be judged according to whether they did good or evil during their life time. I hope that answers you.

Have you ever asked yourself. "What if all this is hogwash and was invented by man to suit the period"?

Have you? Be honest here.
If your answer is yes, please share your conclusions and the answer you gave yourself to that question

If your answer is no then the brainwash was an absolute success :-/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvPcmyw2Izw

Desola: yeye people. She'll come back with a flat tummy in no time. Abeg make she do the tummy tuck make we rest.

best comment i've seen here. I'm glad people still see behind all the magic they throw in our faces to call us fools.

I'll bet a lot on this one: that woman has gone for a beauty treatment and will indeed come back with a tummy tuck, face lift and possible Bariatric surgery

my reasons for this

1) She was flown from Nigeria to Germany because? she had food poisoning? who diagnosed this? I'm not sure you need to travel all the way to germany on a 6hr+ flight just to get food poisoning sorted . OR she was already in Germany and "suddenly" has food poisoning then air lifted by chopper to a hospital? (I think this was the version i read lol)

2) Wrong diagnosis: Ok, they taught it was food poisoning and came out later to say she wasn't hospitalized (i think i saw that post flying by) and now it is appendicitis?

3) Appendicitis is a routine operation that actually need be done asap. You wouldn't wana add a 6hr flight time (which could be double that time adding up all travel time)

4) I'm not a doctor but doctors in the house can clarify me on this that with right sided lower abdominal piercing pain, it will be wise to investigate the appendix. She must have had these symptoms, so why the wrong diagnosis by a German physician? :O


So, are we seeing a magicians slight of hand here? Misdirection for us all to look the other way while she gets her beauty treatment??


Again I might be wrong here, but you never know with these politicians

Rightly said Logicboy,

As for those that claim the quran predicted a lot of science stuff for us (Eg. BigB@ng), why don't you guys read your quran and tell us what the next major break through in science will be??

Oh wait, you cant! you only wait for science to discover it first and then happily claim it. "It is in the holy book!" LMAO
So much for that

4llerbuntu: is that really the NNPC website?

the page has no information or web page id. check ur browser well.

well drop your information and email addresses at your peril.

also funny is the absence of secure login!! on a NNPC website!!!

what have you got to loose really?

create a new email address with the most difficult password while you type in your details with plenty mouse click gaps in between. Do this and don't worry if the page is secure or not!


Search google for NNPC and you'll get the same website. some small companies abroad don't bother with secure log in. I guess NNPC is rubbing shoulders with them

from 41st to 39th isnt much of an achievement

ifeness: Another story to increase the tithe and offering. Who wants to be in the presence of an Angry,son killing God?

Well, actually that son is him in another form. So he sacrificed himself to himself to forgive our sins that he set in place himself to begin with


Oh and he knew before hand he will resurrect 3 days after getting killed. Which then makes the whole point of the sacrifice meaningless lol

frosbel: Scripture.

The same scripture the other guys read and come up with their own doctrine? or do you have a separate one?

frosbel: I

I am sorry but I agree with him 100%.

You are in the majority with the false catholic apostate church who hold unto the pagan doctrine of the trinity.

I am in the minority with the 'heretics' and thank God for that.

I will later on in the day , provide you with evidence on how your catholic , Anglican and Calvin churches, hunted down, tortured and killed Unitarians with the most gruesome methods known to man.

Your mother church is the catholic Church , deeper life is just one of her numerous daughters repeating her warped understanding of the one and true GOD.

It does amaze me how you can be so certain that yours is the correct doctrine

Happy b'day to you bro

Hope you have a ball today

seriallink: ^^^^ By giving us life, He has given Himself life too? Could you please explain more? What if His purpose for creating us is to worship Him? Would you still say NO because you feel it's slavery? Thankx for your contribution though

Then he would create mindless drones to worship him day and night and not give us the mind to think.

We are not here to worship any being(supernatural or otherwise) The whole god concept originated from when men worshipped kings and wondered what it would be like with the "creator" of the universe (since they had no answers). Hence they invent an all powerful, all knowing, all loving, king of everything, invincible being to worship endlessly and sacrifice everything to.

We dont need that anymore in the 21st century. No one worships any king anymore, why don't we extend that gesture to the god we created? (in our image and likeness)

can you tell me why you believe this story?

not

Capaccini: LOL...this is a sensitive one right here,but for me its not a big deal at all>>> Dont get me wrong am not saying i want a W*ORE for a wife. lets just say she has to be inbetween

whats the difference between a w*ore and a non-virgin?

A w*ore tells the truth

[quote author=asdf:jkl ha ha ]Dat girl dos not luv u any more. She is usin her pastor as an excuse mov on wit ur life n 4get her[/quote]I stopped reading this thread right here cos here is your answer OP.

First of all, my mind isn't made up. It just seems so due to lack of evidence. Show me any concrete evidence of your god and I'll be with my bags to join u to worship. When you read the history of these religions, you'll quickly piece together what the motives were and the entire aim of a "unifying" religion.

So about your prophets all over the world, I just want two for now. One for the Australian continent and one for the south American continent and really any two will suffice.


Finally, you still miss my point. I'm not here to argue or "debate" the accuracy of Arabic translations (which indeed has its issues). Rather, the so-called understanding of science in the qur'an is ill-placed. For example, people claim the qur'an talked about the big b@ng! did it really? or was the author referring to a different context? All these we can never verify hence claiming your book is in accord with science is a step too far

Oh not at all. I'm not gonna argue along those lines. All I need is clear cut evidence and lets do away with the if's and if not's

The major problem with your god is the fact he chooses to give his word to the world in only one language. Its funny he never taught about the Aborigines or the Mayans at both ends of the globe but rather fascinated by desert dwelling middle eastern folks to bring the truth. Absolutely not fair. He will show himself to a select few and hope everyone else must believe without seeing. Anyway, this is another topic for another day


My main point here is this so-called scientific facts that exists in the Qur'an can end up having more than one meaning. Lets take for instance the earth revolving around our Sun. There is no other way to interpret this than what it is. But show me you're Qur'anic verses that prove science and I'm sure I can interpret it from another angle. The issue is not whether they were translated wrongly or not, NO. Rather the issue is with the Knowledge level and intention of the original writers. I think we really need to investigate that rather than what people tell you to be

Funny thing is how these babies are being born with things we already know.

I wana see a baby born with a substance never before seen by man. Then we can look into it

teminoni: Impossible bro. No other planet like earth with the required gases, perfect temperature, perfect soil condition n even a single living cell. Maybe similar in size, dats all.

there u make a mistake

The earth did not start up like this with perfect temperature, gasses, soil and all what not. it was once very inhabitable and strange place to be.

Time built up the world we now know and love. Distant planets found within the "sweet" spot of a sun have a high chance of ending up like ours. So yes, similar planets have been found and there must be life (advanced or simple) else where in the universe. shikena!





As for Fellis

You're making a mistake when you say the qur'an is infallible. I might get hated for saying this but sadly it isn't so. you can sit there and make interpretations from what the original writers had in mind just to agree with popular belief today.

Finally, you are wrong. There is something you can say or do to change my mind. Show me clear cut evidence that your belief system is accurate and i'll pack my bags n go with you

frosbel: Thank You.

They have tried to withhold the truth of the word of God from the masses throughout the dark ages, in the process countless innocents were killed.

What a wicked , apostate , pagan institution.

Thats quite deep coming from a christian. You fail to realise that the same institution kept christianity from going underground over the years just like plenty other religions have.

They were brutal and merciless and will consume anyone that stood in their way. Democracy kicked in and took power away from the catholic church. Else you would have been burnt alive too for heresy

Oh and just as Logic pointed out, they compiled the bible you use today. Although you guys have taken some texts out of the old testament in the name of protesting


What I ask myself is. How can you still keep up with this religion?

hair net! WTF

eduson33: And you think it works in naija?
Madam,Abeg mix peper soup and beans
:add two kpomo
:one goat intestine
:and enough okporoko
spray some ofe akwu on top if possible.no time

WTF!!! Although I wouldn't mind having some of that meal , but finish it first before you comment.


At post, having a maximum age limit is not practical for one very important reason: Not everyone ages uniformly. I've seen a 90 year old man who drives better than plenty 25 year olds. Again a 65 year old man that can barely turn the wheel of his car.

The main issue I picked up from your post is that he was drunk. Drunk driving is a crime no matter the age, but with Nigeria and our silly "respect elders" culture will always mean people like that get away with silly things.


All I can say is take heart, accidents do happen and thats the price we pay for driving on the roads of a lawless country (Or should I say poorly enforced laws)

topfally75: , censorship in wat aspect? I tink dis site is 2educate nd interact wit pple. Der ar car owners who dont knw how 2pimp a car...i guess u got ur car pimped recently not wonda u knw wat am talkin abt..though dats if u av one....lols

why did you completely misunderstand what I typed?

You meant PlMP and Nairaland changed that to "love-vendor". This is all I merely pointed out.

Mind you I'm up for modifying cars and yes I do have one. Very nice pimped out one for that matter with massive subwoofers, low profile tyre on shinny 18" wheels, blinding Xenon headlamps, DVD headrest, brembo brakes(although this came with the car) and more. This in my books is very p1mped for an EOD in Nigeria

topfally75: what does it take to[b] love-vendor [/b]a car in Nigeria.

LOL!! This is where Nairaland censorship FAILS

@Op, Clearly your child didnt wake up one morning and demand to be given a cell phone.

You guys must have introduced it to him and now he wants nothing else. This is just a trend of things to come down(or up, whichever u prefer) parenthood trail. Babies are very inquisitive and the learn really fast. All I'm saying "carry time"

Who knows what else you're introducing your baby to . Engage him with other things other than a cell phone. There is hardly anything interesting in it for a baby.

musKeeto: Agnostic, in Nigeria I guess we non-believing folks are on the same boat...
a. The noisy church services.. wont blame this religion though, but religion has a way of amplifying ignorance, pun intended..

b. 'Share this if you love Jesus' broadcast messages on social networks and messenger services. I'd rather receive p0rn adverts..

c. The looks and stares one gets upon airing his 'unbelief' in public, like you're the devil or something..

Great minds think alike!!!

I received this message on bb a couple of weeks ago.

Sad thing is that, take away your name and put in one of the prominent MOG's in Nigeria and you'll see thousands of people sending you money LOL

Prosperity sells! get your copy today!!!

People are so gullible but they rather stick to what they know. Clearly, the average person can see scam written all over this. But when it is a MOG, the scam part becomes blur.

The same goes for every facet of religion. Imagine If a guy pops out today and says he is the new messiah and everyone should follow him to enter the kingdom of god. Loads of people will smell/cry foul. Yet the same people are ready to believe in a 1st century Hippie Jew with no clear evidence. What am I missing here?