₦airaland Forum

Obiagelli: back your claims. No one mentioned it post buhari.

Back it up with what? the fact that he flushed outfrom Dodan barracks like rat says it all.

http://www.onlinenigeria.com/military/?blurb=680

Obiagelli: orderlyness was. I dare to post a link of the scarcity here.

Post from Buhari's daily times of 83 or NTA news clips you are kidding bah?

Obiagelli: of course I won't give my age online, I know what I speak of by experience. Stop spreading falsehood you never stayed on line for food scarcity but orderlyness

Your comment betrayals your age, so let's move on. Food scarcity was a way of life. In 1983-85, One of greatest decision IBB took as soon as he took over, was opening the borders.

Obiagelli: lairs, lairs lairs, incase you didn't know there are many countries that you cannot transact business with foreign currency. It's criminal. because we carry dollars around here at the detriment of our economy doesn't make right.

You can repeat your buhari tales by moon light to your kids at home. I was a teenager in the buhari days. Standing on the queue for my mom many times to buy essential commodity. I remember tenants not paying rents because they cannot withdraw money. it was a time of fear, real fear in this country. Nigeria importers were completely put out of business with our closed borders and all imports must be approved by Ministry of trade, making the import license regime, the biggest fraud in that government. The word on the street was N1M per import license. Buhari will never be president in this country. Even, if he runs against the devil, Nigerians will vote for the devil before Buhari.

Obiagelli: bullcrap, i know what his administration was about, he changed the notes to reduce counterfeiting, rejected devaluation offers by imf. What factories closed down bloody lair. People where starving? May God forgive you.

I don't know who you are but please in the name of GOD you are the bloody liar. Counterfeiting is why people could not withdraw their money from banks for months. You write a cheque for N300, only for the bank teller to give you N75? That was the Nigeria, where you stand for hours to buy, milk, sugar, rice and oil every 30 days, from the essential commodities task force in the name of price control. Starvation was real. Getting caught with foreign currency was an economic sabotage crime. That was buhari's Nigeria.

ogb5: pray you should never witness a ruler like buhari in your life. I know you only knew of buhari's rule from fairy tales people told you.

How do you think he reduced inflation?

There are two ways to reduce inflation, you either reduce the money in circulation, making fewer money to chase the available goods or you increase the amount of goods in the market, making the available money to chase an increased quantity of goods.

Guess how buhari reduced inflation; by drastically reducing the money in circulation. he did that by changing the colour of the bank notes, forcing everyone to take their money to the bank and refusing to allow the banks give people their money. So people had money in the bank but were unable to withdraw it. people starved and queue for hours to lay hands on bread, cooking oil and soap. Many died on bread queues. Anytime you think of Buhari, think starvation.

Don't mention buhari, that one is devil incarnate and sadist to the core. He compounded everything by banning importation of raw materials needed by factories, forcing factories to close and lay off workers. With no money in circulation and people starving inflation had no where to go but down.

If you want Buhari so much you can relocate to North Korea, that type of society is what Buhari wants

It feels so good people like you still exist on this forum. Please tell them, the truth about that demon callled Buhari.

fabulous4u: you are the biggest fool alive by a mile. please which airport are u talking about .if stupidity is not in your genes then you won't one second use the word built and when countered immediately change the language to ongoing . the salvo Jonathan keeps dishing out to the faces of his haters by embarking on massive infrastructural provision and renewal keeps making them desperate to act in a silly and intellectually bereft manner .
don't worry 2014 is the year gej will give h guys the TKO that'll dumbfound you for life and he'll proceed to dispose you off in 2015.
this is just a tip of the ice Berg .
Gej is working,haters are running mad
#fresh air till 2019

Allow the noise maker bury himself in a truckload of lies. I'm waiting for his pictures.

Kairoseki77: Yes, building. It will be completed in 2015.

So you have no pictures of the current construction

Kairoseki77: Yes, construction is ongoing now. Just like Eko ATlantic.

When it is done it will be bigger than Heathrow Airport in the UK.

Hold on, lemme get some pics for ya.

Omo, nah you carry first.

Obiagelli: I remember he built 2 refineries I 2yrs as minister and reduced inflation to 5% as president as well as killing corruption. Btw face the topic.

Which refineries are you talking about?

[s](10) Delta State Governor: Despite the huge revenue allocated to Delta State, Governor Oduaghan hasn’t been able to bring remarkable change to Delta State. When we hear what people like Governor Rotimi Ameachi have been able to achieve in Rivers State, his Delta State counterpart is not known for any serious infrastructural development. Oduaghan became governor like most governor. He was the cousin of the previous governor, James Ibori, who is now languishing in a London prison after he was found guilty of money laundery. Oduaghan’s government is characterised by sorrounding himself with friends and family members and making them rich to the detriment of the state. He has spent almost eight years as Delta State governor and we haven’t seen anything remarkable yet.[/s]

Another internet trash.

KIRIJI: What noise in osun? Isnt it CAN- pdp religious propaganda machine led by orisa jefor, that is instigating the whole imbroglio. Aregbeshola, the governor of osun state is a moslem but his children are christians. Alot of osun indigenes both christians and moslems are devotees of the osun-osogbo goddess. Alot of secondary school students in osun both christians and moslems can recite some corpus in the Ifa divination. Yorubas are cosmopolitan in their religious outlook, using religious diffrences as a campaign strategy in yorubaland can never work

I asked a simple question, don't get all defensive. So CAN and Pastor Ayo are responsible for the noise. Thanks for the response

If religion is not important in the SW, why the noise in Osun State?

theoctopus, one man assault squad, you try. I carry leg for you.

Frying Pan or Fire, nah fresh air till 2019

THE Federal Government has proposed a total sum of one hundred billion naira for the completion of major federal roads among which are the Lagos-Ibadan Expressway, Benin-Ore Shagamu Road, Kano-Maiduguri dualisation, among others.

The N100 billion is to be sourced from the SURE-P fund for 2014, which amounts to a total of two hundred and sixty eight billion naira, a breakdown of the budget proposal presented to the National Assembly by the Finance Minister, Dr Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, has revealed.

According to the proposal, N20 billion naira was allocated to Lagos-Ibadan Expressway; N20 billion was budgeted for Lokoja-Abuja Road; N10 billion naira to go for Benin-Ore-Sahagamu Road, while Calabar- Katsina Ala Road has N5 billion.

Other roads targeted through the Sure-P fund include Kano-Maiduguri dualisation, which got N12 billion; Port Harcourt-Enugu-Onisha with N11 billion; second Niger Bridge with N10 billion naira as counterparts funding, while special presidential intervention across the country was allocated N12 billion.

The long running East - West Road was also accommodated with a whopping sum of thirty billion naira, while Oweto Bridge got N7 billion.

The budget proposal also targeted investment in rail transportation, with Lagos-Ibadan getting N5 billion naira; Port-Hacourt-Maiduguri rail revitalisation allocated N16 billion and Abuja-Kaduna rail covering track and rolling stock got a total sum of N22 billion naira.

The balance of the fund after the allocations for road and rail projects was allocated to the social safety net programme under Sure-P. A total of N68 billion was allocated to safety nets programmes which include Graduate Internship programme, maternal care, public works, youth, among others.

The executive arm of government had calculated the subsidy removal inflow with a benchmark of N15 billion per month in 12 places for 2014, totalling N180 billion. The unspent balance of N88 billion from 2013 was added to make the total of N268 billion available for spending in 2014.

http://www.tribune.com.ng/news2013

By JESUTEGA ONOKPASA
I LONG ago came to the suspicion that much of the ethnic hostility in Delta State emanate from a toxic mix of ethnic hatred, rumour mongering and a cocktail of entrenched misconceptions. Right from Governor Emmanuel Uduaghan’s emergence as a gubernatorial hopeful back in 2007, there emerged an implacable opposition to his aspiration.
While most political traducers hardly ever present their differences on ethnic terms, when, however, drawn into confidence, the ethnic bile they come up with is most profound.
Additionally, their grievances are seldom constructive, be it in presentation, content or context, usually turning out to be unsubstantiated and contrived opinions on the scorecard of their political rivals.
Prejudice, for all its irritating haughtiness, would appear to be often mocked by what it once scoffed at. I have met critics of the Asaba Airport waiting to take flights at its terminal building.
I have encountered many who thrashed the construction of the Delta State University Teaching Hospital, DELSUTH, Oghara, receiving treatment at its state of the art consulting rooms, operation theaters and inpatient wards.
Indeed, it is my projection that upon its completion, the homes of numerous critics of the Independent Power Plant in Oghara, will be powered by electricity produced there.
For a while now, I have been attempting an interrogation of prejudice within the contexts of race, ethnicity, gender and class.
It has become my opinion, that it is always unreasonable to predicate any sort of animosity on grounds of such differentiation. Knowledge is power and when we take an objective interest in genetics, anthropology, philosophy, history, sociology, culture and linguistics, we inexorably arrive at the conclusion that our human differences are mostly superficial, contrived, and accidental.
Perhaps also, if we attempted to watch a bit less of Africa Magic or Supersport and tuned in to National Geographic and BBC Knowledge, we would come to the sentiment that the awesome variety which characterizes humanity is better celebrated in love, cooperation and peaceful coexistence.
If we tamed our addiction to social media and visited Wikipedia and Encarta more often, we probably wouldn’t be so eager to process our naturally derived differentiation into infernal grouses upon which to further balkanize what should be one big happy human family. If we learnt to see a brother in the stranger, we wouldn’t be so convinced we are the only ones entitled to get to the top or that someone from another tribe, who was equally created by God, is not qualified to be governor or president.
Where and when it has pleased God to create humanity into different, races, tribes and ethnicities, having an axe to grind with others for corresponding reasons, amounts to one indirectly telling God, He did not know what He was doing when He made us members of these different groups.
At a secular level, it is enough to invalidate ethnic bias on the ground that everyone, including the most irretrievably prejudiced, naturally feels very bad, if at the receiving end of ethnic or similar hatred, regardless of the lengths to which he or she may go to justify his own opposition to others on those same grounds.
While I am neither some Christian leader nor theologian, it is my suspicion that God is likely to become especially protective of someone particularly hated on unwarranted grounds. The fact that Uduaghan remains governor over certain persons, some of whom went so far as to rejoice upon rumours of his passing, may well be thus interpreted.
I am proudly Okpe, and if I died and came back to this world, I want to be an Urhobo man all over again.
Nevertheless, I would be very much inclined, at any appropriate gathering, to address Governor Uduaghan as ‘Oroghenevwerute’: ‘the one whom God takes care of’. After all, the Itsekiri man he is, happens to speak better Urhobo than the Urhobo man I am.
It is the nature of truth to remain the truth whether it is accepted or otherwise acknowledged. The truth is always worth fighting for, however strongly, falsehood may have become entrenched.
And it is the truth is that in Delta, there is too much ethnic hatred and politically engineered tribalism. It is a challenge we must all strive to meet headlong in service to our shared humanity.
While there will always be those who eternally reject reality, there will also be many who upon encountering the truth are inspired to key into its import.
At any rate, doing nothing would amount to capitulation to the machinations of those who thrive on sentiments to paint a hardworking man bad before his constituents, simply on account of his ethnic background.
*Onokpasa, a Public Affairs Commentator, wrote from Sapele, Delta State.


- See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/12/bridging-ethnic-divide-delta/#sthash.qHf8vo2F.dpuf

johnmartus: hmmm election is approaching don't campaign for Jonathan now talk is cheap is only road construction that your ministry' is after?what about jebba ilorin express way?what about ajaokuta steel company are you blind you don't know the next thing to do?we you response if I email you what about letters you have been resive from state government traditional rulars what step are you taken ?

May God help you. Why will politicians not take us for granted. Just listen to yourself.

In spite of the late release of the Central Bank of Nigeria’s (CBN) 2012 Annual Report, the non-oil export data as contained therein have shown some emerging trends with regards to the top non-oil export firms, values of their exports, the types of goods exported, and the destinations of exports most especially when comparison is made between their 2012 and 2011 figures. The CBN always publishes the top 100 non-oil exporters in its annual report.

Pertaining to non-oil exporters, some of the firms which made the top 30 on the CBN list in 2011 have lost their positions as they have been replaced by other firms at the end of 2012 financial year. A company’s position on the CBN top 100 non-oil exporters list is determined by the worth of its export measured in US dollars ($). The firms that missed the top 30 positions in 2012 are Eleme Petrochemicals, Multi-Trex Integrated Foods Plc, Stanmark Cocoa Processing Ltd, Metal Recycling Industries Ltd, Nestle Nigeria Plc, RMM Global Company Ltd, Yara Commodities Ltd and Friesland Capina Wamco.

Furthermore, the combined revenue of the 2012 top 30 non-oil exporters dipped by 8 percent to $1.67bn as against $1.75 billion the 2011 top 30 league collectively realised. By implication, the share of the 2012 top 30 members in the overall export earnings fell to 77 percent as against 80 percent that the 2011 group recorded. The new entrants into the top 30 league are Notore Chemical Industries Ltd, Multitan Ltd, Everest Metal Nigeria Ltd, Dansa Food Processing Company, West African Rubber, Starlink Global and Ideal Ltd as well as Kimatrai Nigeria Ltd.

Surprisingly, Eleme Petrochemicals Company Limited which exported $75.7 million worth of goods in 2011 was completely absent on the list of the top 100 non-oil exporters in 2012. An analyst who did not want his name in print but is well familiar with the agriculture and agro-allied sector attributed that development to the on-going expansion in Indorama Eleme Petrochemicals. As noted in the Nigeria Dealbook H1, 2013, the company has sourced for $375 million from IFC, Bank of India, Belgian Company for Development, the Commonwealth Development Corporation, Germany’s DEG and the FMO of Netherland. It is believed that by the time the fund is fully utilized, the company will be a force to reckon with in its sector.

Metal Recycling Industries Ltd, which earned $14.8 million from non-oil exports in 2011 was also missing on the list in 2012, but no reason could be adduced as at the time of writing the report. Even though the following firms made more from export in 2012, the positions of RMM Global Company, Yara Commodities Ltd and Stanmark Cocoa Processing Ltd fell to 33rd, 34th and 37th in 2012 down from 26th, 27th and 21st respectively in 2011.

It was even more surprising that Multi-Trex Integrated Foods Plc, Friesland Capina Wamco and Nestle Plc had both the values of their exports as well as their positions decline on the table. In other words, Multi-Trex, Friesland Capina and Nestle were rated the 45th, 49th and 50th non-oil exporters in 2012 as against 15th, 30th and 24th positions respectively in 2011.

The collective earnings of firms with lower sales in 2012 despite making it on the list of top 30 non-oil exporters still dipped by $385m (N60bn). The sharp fall in their earnings demands attention from the Nigerian authorities. Observations made by the World Trade Organization’s (WTO) which were explicitly stated in WTO’s 2012 annual report should provide some hints as to why these firms experienced a decline in export revenue in 2012. The body states that issues relating to non-tariff measures (NTM) such as certification requirements, export inspection and obtaining export licenses/permits are factors that can impair a firm’s ability to effectively and efficiently explore international market. According to WTO “these three categories account for more than 60 percent of firm complaints about export related measures.” WTO team came about these three major factors based on their findings in 11 countries some of which share economic, social and political characteristics with Nigeria. In addition, since the destination countries are majorly in Europe, Nigerian searchlight should be beamed on SPS measures, standards and testing that most exporters to EU are confronted with.

The records of the new entrants into the top 30 non-oil export firms justify why they are there. Memuda Industries sold $82.3m worth of finished leather to Italy in 2012 to emerged the 4th biggest non-oil exporter compared with $10.6m worth of the same item it sold overseas in 2011 when it was rated the 32nd. Notore occupied the 11th position in 2012 for selling $45.5 million worth ammonia and fertilizers to Morocco and Uruguay whereas the same firm was rated 34th in 2011 when it sold just $10m worth of the same goods. Multitan’s export value rose to $36m in 2012 from a paltry $3m in 2011. For that reason, its position moved from 60th in 2011 to 13th in 2012.

Everest Metal Ltd is another firm that had a good outing in 2012 due to the threefold increase in its export value. It earned $33.7m in 2012 in contrast to $10m in 2011. Dansa Food Processing Ltd realised $32m in 2012 whereas Dangote Agrosacks Ltd, the only firm from Dangote Group on the table in 2011, realised just $0.39m. The earning realised by the West African Cotton Company Ltd jumped up by 219 percent, from $9.4m in 2011 to $29.8m in 2012.

Finished products and fully-processed produce earned the nation more foreign exchange in 2012. Sale of manufactured products especially textiles and other materials increased by 32 percent between 2011 and 2012. Apart from that, many of the firms that exported finished products performed better in 2012 fiscal year. The gainers are those whose 2012 export earnings surpassed 2011 earnings. On top of the gainers’ table was Mamuda which increased its export revenue by $72m by selling fished leather to Italy. In similar business are the West African Tannery Company Limited and Unique Leather Ltd. The former which outperformed 2011 revenue by $23m sold finished goat and sheep leather to Italy, India and China while the latter which surpassed the previous year’s earnings by $13m exported finished leather grades 1,2,3 and 4 to Italy.

Nigerian ginned cotton lint made its presence felt at the international market in 2012. Armajaro and the West African Cotton Ltd traded in this commodity just as both firms made the list of gainers in the top 30 non-oil exporters. In comparison with 2011 foreign earnings, Armajaro was better by $70m, though it also traded in cocoa bean while the WA Cotton Ltd which traded only in cotton lint increased its year-on-year earnings by $20m. The export destinations are Indonesia, Germany and Vietnam.

Fully fermented Nigerian cocoa beans posted good performance as it was a major exportable of Starlink Global Ltd which increased its earnings by $14m in 2012 when compared with 2011 figure. Notore Chemical Industries Ltd also garnered additional $35m in export earnings because it sold fully refrigerated anhydrous ammonia & fertilizer (urea granular) to Morocco and Uruguay.

Other produce and goods whose sales overseas earned the nation more foreign earnings are Gum Arabic, aluminium alloy ingot, remelted lead ingot, Nigerian sesame seeds and dried hibiscus flour. Dansa Food Processing Ltd’s revenue jumped up by $32m through the sale of Gum Arabic to France and Germany; Everest Metal traded in aluminium and lead ingots thereby realising additional $30m over 2011 earnings while AIS Trades and Industries Ltd raised its 2012 revenue by $11m through the sale of Maiduguri type sesame seeds and Nigerian dried hibiscus flour.

As said earlier, there are companies that made lesser revenue from export in 2012 compared with 2011 figures. On the flip side are Bolawole Enterprises, Olam Nigeria Ltd, Sun and Sand Industries, Imoniyame Holdings, Saro Agro Allied Ltd, Agro Traders Ltd, Rubber Estates Ltd, Fata Tanning and Tulip Cocoa Processing Nigeria Ltd. Others are MINL, Enghuat Industries, Atlantic Shrimpers and the West African Rubber Products. In monetary terms, Multi-Trex’s export value fell to $12m in 2012 from $34.9m in 2011. Friesland Wamco made $10.2m in 2012 compared with $10.9 million it realised in 2011 while Nestle’s export value dropped to $9.8 million in 2012 from $13.5 million in 2011. For companies like Friesland Wamco and Nestle, they could have decided to focus more on the growing home demand. Producing their products in smaller packs such as sachets lends credence to this. Another possible cause is that the dominance of these firms in their respective sectors is now being challenged by up-coming firms.

Inter-regional trade between Nigeria and other African countries seems to be growing, albeit slowly. Nigerian firms are also in the race to control markets in DR Congo, Sudan, Morocco, Egypt and South African. But jokes apart, the structure of the nation’s exports shows the level of our industrial development and the extent Nigerian exporting firms can play at the international market. If this continues for a while, Nigeria may not realise much from international trade until we begin to export heavy manufactured goods such as heavy machinery, equipment, sophisticated electrical and electronic appliances. Presently, our manufactured exports include cigarettes, evaporated milk, soaps, detergents, noodles, dairy products, ingots, bathroom slippers and seasonings.

By: TELIAT SULE

http://businessdayonline.com/2013/12/emerging-trends-in-nigerias-non-oil-exports/

10,000MW, 50,000MW bottom line is power supply to my house and business has never been better along the Warri/Otokutu axis. From having no power in 2006 to half current in 2009 and today 18 hrs on the average per day. This is all I care about.

Not bad

papparatzzi2013: You are funny and weird. A landlord welcomes a stranger into his house and the landlord of the next house is complaining. Dont you think you are going beyond boundary?

Tell us the problems that we have caused that we did not stand there o.

Ohhhh Biafra?

How was that our fault.

I will be back later.

Merry Xmas to all. Is time to kill my Pigs. I have to make myself useful.

papparatzzi2013: The itsekiri are not complaining. Are they? How will an urhobo man be speaking on behalf of itsekiri. That is the part that is weird. Have you seen any official statement from itsekiri saying otherwise?

If not, you are just simply going beyond boundary into another man's territory.

Nobody is complaining, you are the one trespassing into another Man's land. Like always, you cause problems, then you are nowhere to be found, when your bomb goes off.

Magic Bishop: The Face of the Occupiers

The Yorubas can also be blamed with the shoddy way the Oil companies treated their host communities.

The Yorubas were beneficiaries of juicy Oil jobs both in the oil company and as government officials whose primary responsibilities were to ensure that the oil companies did the right thing.

But, nay, they rather encouraged the pillaging and desolation of the environment by turning a blind eye to the gross misconduct by companies like shell (after all it is not their land). The also made it a case to discourage oil companies from assisting host communities via employment and corporate responsibility projects which they were made to carry out on behalf of the oil companies which they duly pocketed.

Today, the sight of a Yoruba man in the creeks is as annoying to the locals more than an aboki because they know who the real bad belle people are.

As bitter as it is, what you said is a true statement.

papparatzzi2013: Anybody can allege anybody is the problem.

Sanusi said we are the problem. Fashakin said ND is the problem. People on NL are saying, Igbos are the problem and igbos are saying SW and North are the problem. Anyone can say anything. It is called freedom of speech.

Where there is cause for concern is, when Afenifere says ND is the problem or Ohaneze categorically states that SW and north are the problem or Arewa says SE is the problem. Those are the voice of the different zones, that are weighty and not the voice of individuals.

Uduaghan will never deny his ancestral lineage. Sincerely, I don't know your reservation about the move. You have continue to subtly and vehemently oppose the move. Try to educate me on it, if I can see it from your own point of view. Know it in your mind, that it is not an expansionist move in any way.

In delta state/Bendel state of old. Benin is where the Urhobos and Itsekiris came from. Even Ogbemudia was in Koko yesterday to celebrate Nana of Olumo. The great Itsekiri chief of the Benin River. There is no link between the Yorubas and the people of the western Nigerdelta. We don't need another, we want your oil friend. The mistake of Clark, Ogbemudia David Ejoor,Okilo, Wiwa and Boro etc. Is why the people of the Nigerdelta were turned to beggars in their land. If you truly like the Itsekiri, then help return Nigeria back to the 1963 constitution.

papparatzzi2013: Our friends in Kwara and Kano are intact. Looking for more friends in itsekiris, that are our cousins ain't a crime! in 1966 and not now.

The more the merrier.

Your party leaders/Regional leaders have a different idea. Rotimi fashakin was on channels yesterday morning calling the people of the Nigerdelta the problem of Nigeria. Pointing fingers at Pastor Ayo, as a person that needs to be arrested for daring to seek the arrest of Buhari. Just look at anger and the tone of his voice. He cannot wait to deal with us. I pray God will give Rotimi the chance, he badly seeks. Uduaghan, is the leading itsekiri politician in Nigeria. He knows where his friends are.

papparatzzi2013: You ain't itsekiri, so the terminologies are strange to your lexicon and you can not understand them fully.

Why not face your friends in Kwara and Kano. You don't have anything in delta state.

papparatzzi2013: We are following your footsteps ni?

The same way you made inroad into south south during your expansionist agenda war. The difference is, we are using diplomacy, alliance and
partnership, whereas you were crude uncivilised uncouth and barbaric in your approach.

Diplomacy and alliance Try a new story line.

Magic Bishop: which confrence? The yorubas as dictated by their criminal war lord have decided to opt out. The northerners will not want to poor sand-sand in their garri and as such the only way out is for the Niger Delta youths to tear away that amnesty come 2015.

We will not give them a reason to call us rebels. Let's see how far they are willing to go with their demand for regional government with at least 50% derivation. The ball is in their courts.

Ogbonaikenna: I blame this on the oil producing communities for allowing hausa and yoruba oligarchy to feed on their oil. Sovereignity belongs to the people. Niger deltas, occupy your resources! I don't know why you guys are waiting until Gej leaves office. Do it now and nothing will happen. Watch out for what we will do to the nigeria security apparatus come 2014. The whole SE will be made un-habitable for the nigeria security

Let's wait and see the National conference, that's the best hope for this country. Jonah is the only reason, the SS is not making too much noise.