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Parizz:
hi dad

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus' group are two fractions!
Disciples: these are people who go about their normal businesses but keep spending time (leisure) sharing what they know with neighbours.
Apostles: this set are full time workers who gave everything they had for Jesus, many of them were married with children in the first century but they abandoned their normal way of family life to focus completely on the ministry! Mark 10:28

Whoever is a disciple of Jesus only need to put his/her best in sharing kingdom truth with the neighbours they must continue with their day to day life, but when Jesus was calling his first set of disciples in the first century he made them understand that they must forget about their normal lifestyle if they want to fully be his companions {Mark 10:21} such a person must forget all plans to start a family with children because they'll become a distraction to his Apostleship. But today most people wants to be full-time workers in Jesus' vineyard yet they want all what life has to offer of course they're not Christians at all, because Jesus made himself clear when he ordered that man to forgo normal life and concentrate on the ministry! Luke 18:18-23

Nobody is divinely called today like it was in the first century, it's a calculation that each person needs to put in place {Luke 14:28} each person needs to plan whether he will go into the full time ministry which gives no room for raising biological children {1Corinthians 7:7 compare to Matthew 19:10-12} but if you're going to raise children then you can't be a full-time evangelizer like Jesus, Paul or Timothy!

hupernikao:
Bro, you not identifying with Christians again haven't still solve or answer your question (Does God Exist). Even the best of atheism today still seek answers and proof to that question daily.

The questions on your heart are normal. It only showed you likely don't have those who are willing to listen to you around you, or who can answer what bothers you.


For me, looking at all your comments here, I can assumed you have likely had much of wrong teaching of God around you. And that raised lot of questions that such teachers couldn't answer.

Well, if you seek answers truly. Then you should read this intelligently.

1. Your decision above doesn't solve the problem at hand nor does it answer the question you seek. Hence it is only be a distraction for you, as your heart knows you haven't gotten answers.

2. There are usually hidden concerns that underline the great question you asked. Most who call themselves atheist here have narrated unknowingly in their multitude of words such hidden concerns that drove them to atheism and mostly are from personal challenges or concerns that surround how the place you fellowship have presented God's word and promises to you or your normal desires that were never fulfilled even after you have done all that you were told was required.

3. In life, when confused, you should rather err on the side of one you know, one you have seen, and count faithful to you (your real world, your family, your people) than one who you haven't seen, nor know, nor add any value to you in life (the online world).

You can't measure the life of any here by just reading their text including me. Here you will see, liars, deceiver, good and bad etc. Yet all come in the name of helping or intelligent. But there is always a means to that end.

Err on the side of caution and patiently determine your next step.


4. And most importantly, no one can or will decide for you as am sure you can make decision by yourself. But ask yourself, what truly is driving your decisions.

Are they based on failed expectations from God?

Are they based on pressure from life and seems God wasn't there for you?

Are they based on assumptions from poor doctrine about God?

Or are they based on true desire to know the truth about God existence or non existence.


Whatever the reasons. I can confidently tell you, that the foundation is from a wrong knowledge of who God is or what he can do.

Give yourself time Bro. And ask your questions, you will find answers from the right persons.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are mixing things up here.

That proof of God's existence does not come from hearing about God. It comes instead from a direct encounter and relationship with God Himself.

The man with the spirit of legion did not tell you he didn't have proof of God to begin with. He was delivered of possession by demons... that there is a form of proof of God's existence to this man.
Now, Jesus Christ's commandment to the man who had just been healed was not this He go and present proof of God's existence but instead to fell people of his personal experience.

I can't prove God to you - that is impossible to do - I can only tell you of what God has done for me. You have to seek proof you need directly from God Himself. That is how God Himself set this up. You have to call upon Him yourself in order for Him to show you the great and mighty things He will.

I can only tell you of what God has done for me.

Kobojunkie:
God came through for me so, i have proof of God to give others, is that what you are trying to insinuate?

Kobojunkie:
Talk about pulling verses out of context.

Do you really believe that the reason the Op does not believe in God is because he has not heard people talk about God to him?

Kobojunkie:
This is God waking you up from a delusion. Leave and be free to search and find Him for yourself.

38 The man from whom the demons had gone out begged to go with him, but Jesus sent him away, saying,

39 “Return home and tell how much God has done for you.” So the man went away and told all over town how much Jesus had done for him.

Luke 8:38‭-‬39 NIV

Kobojunkie:
He is telling you that the delusion that is the gathering of your brethren has not no proof to show him of God and yet you here you are suggesting for him more of the same?

Kobojunkie:
If you never had evidence of God's existence before thus, why did you call yourself a Christian to begin with?

I would never had chosen Christianity if He hadn't proven to me first that He is. If He hadn't invaded my space during the trial period, I would have concluded that He didn't exist and moved on to the next Faith on my list.

PastorM:
I personally don't believe tithes is for Christians today but that's another topic.

Promzy99:
A customer I was conversing with today, told me that d parents should kill a snake nd wrap it around her waist, that it wud stop d flow. I dnt really knw how true.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ instructed His disciples to teach those who are not saved - those who are yet to believe and be baptized. Recall that Jesus Christ declared that He alone is Teacher, leader/authority over those who are saved - those who are entered into His Kingdom.

Kobojunkie:
I completely get what you are saying only that it does not line up with the teachings of Jesus Christ

I know it sounds crazy when I tell you things like everyone who is attached to the church of men is headed in the other direction as far as Heaven is concerned. But it is the Truth as contained in the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

Kobojunkie:
Again, in the Kingdom of God, there is only one Leader and His name is Jesus Christ.
As far as the Church which is built by Jesus Christ is concerned, He alone is the vine and everyone else is a branch on the vine. ... no branch can lead another branch in the vine. Instead each branch directly abides in the vine and the vine in turn abides in each branch...

Kobojunkie:
I didn't do that at all.
Pay attention.

Kobojunkie:
Christ never handed over His Kingdom to His servants... instead He sent His followers out to teach the Gospel to those in the world..those who are not Saved and of His Kingdom. His Kingdom, He alone is King and ruler over all those who belong in it.

Kobojunkie:
For the umpteenth time, Jesus Christ declared Himself the only Master, Leader/authority, Head, Shepherd, Teacher, Helper...etc. , over each of those who belong in His flock. So those whom you suggest are leaders over you are not of Him since He emphatically declared that no one who belongs to Him can serve two masters.

Kobojunkie:
We were just moments ago considering how own of the entries in Paul's letters obscures the Truth as given by Jesus Christ and here you are asking me this?

That God permits a thing does then mean it is of God, does it?

Kobojunkie:
You are wrong! Receiving the power of the Spirit of God will never elevate elevate the mightiest of us all to the status of Jesus Christ, the only one we are called to believe and trust and Obey.

All the disciples are waiting in their graves for Jesus Christ to raise them and judge their works. So why do you believe you are right to put your trust in even that written in their letters?

Jesus Christ, the one who gave them the Spirit of God, decreed that He alone is Head, Teacher, Master...Over each one who belongs to Him so why do you set His servants instead as god Over you in anyway?

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe in the power of the Holy Ghost and what is written to have happened on the day of Pentecost, why?

Kobojunkie:
God permitted this or men deliberated and decided this of their own? So are the decisions of men now of God?

I believe you need to become more informed about the history of scripture and that which you call your Bible today in order to get a better understanding of why your first statement somehow brings God under men. For more than 1000 years, what was known as scripture was more than just the 99 books in your Bible today. Did God change His mind or did man?

Kobojunkie:
I can't vouch for Paul, the man, since I never met him and he, like the other thousands before him is sleeping in his grave awaiting judgment like the rest of us.

What I can speak of is what the Spirit of Truths says of what Paul's views as expressed in his epistles.

Kobojunkie:
As to what is stated in 2 Peter 1 vs 20 - 21, as quoted by you, am I to take it then that you also consider that which is written in scriptural texts such as the infact Gospel of Jesus, the Gospel of Jesus according to Barnabas, the apocalypse of John, the Gospel of Nicodemus, Bel and the dragon ... etc., -many of them not including in your current Bible today - as being of the Holy Spirit?

Or is it only prophesy and scripture and of the Holy Spirit if currently included in the book you call your Bible?

emmnprince:
Funny enough, Paul's words are God's words because he was inspired to pen those words, especially areas that borders on godly living.

Kobojunkie:
The Spirit of Truth, is Jesus Christ , and He will never reveal or speak any Truth that contradicts Jesus Christ. When you understand this, you will realize how very important it is to validate everything you hear and think against God's Truth, Jesus Christ, this as revealed to the world over 2000 years ago.

Kobojunkie:
Scripture works best when we don't add or remove from it. Prescribing a special case for married couples where God has not prescribed such is what Paul is alleged to have done in Ephesians, and this by erroneously suggesting that the curse is God's plan for the redeemed.

20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

2 Peter 1:20‭-‬21 NIV

Kobojunkie:
There is no special flow between a husband and a wife in Jesus Christ and no special headship except that which came by way of the curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 from which all those who are in Jesus Christ have been redeemed from. The only Head over each and every one who is a disciple - those who have been redeemed from that very curse - is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone.
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Kobojunkie:
I don't follow!

Again, what I am saying is that what Paul said is not what Jesus Christ said. So, to suggest then that Paul's words are Jesus Christ's own Words is wrong.

What Jesus Christ commanded was to all of His disciples (individuals, Eunuchs, husbands and wives included). However, Paul's extraction suggests a special case for husbands, where Jesus Christ never said or taught such to begin with.

The same love that Jesus Christ taught should exist between a disciple and another disciple is the exact same love that should exist between a husband/wife and spouse...no difference whatsoever. So in the same exact way Jesus Christ taught His disciples to submit to each other in Him is the very same way a husband is to submit to wife and wife submit to husband. The only Lord or ruler over them all is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone.

15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”

Acts 9:15‭-‬16 NIV

13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.

15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

John 16:13‭-‬15 NIV

after4:
But true love don't lord it over the ones they love nah