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Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Law Of Moses Still Relevant by Ayomivic(m): 10:17pm On Sep 20, 2012

okeyxyz: Absolutely abolished.
Anybody who goes back to have the Law of Moses tell him what is right and wrong simply makes a mockery of christ.

bro don't say absolutely abolished. Jesus did not abolish the law.He refined the law. No prophet bring or introduce another law different to the one Mose gave. Some of Moses law are still valid while some are not or which law did Jesus bring to mankind?

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Have To Believe In The TRINITY To Be A Christian? by Ayomivic(m): 5:44pm On Sep 20, 2012

I will like to ask Frosbel and those brethen that wanted to crusify Goshen360 over the issue of holy spirit been God or not one or two questions.

1 are you people been led by holy spirit over this issue or you were just using canal mind to interpret the scripture?

2 if your answer is yes, can you people please tell us the function of holy spirit as specified by the scripture?

3 please, how can you explain this Bible verse "He answer and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given" what mysteries?

4 lastly, is Jesus christ God? If yes, then how? If no, how will you explain Isiaha 9:6?

Answer these above questions first then i will come with my own belief of holy spirit.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is What Christians Mean By Saying "Jesus Had Died For Our Sin. by Ayomivic(op): 5:19pm On Sep 18, 2012

Iam still expecting the answers to my question from Muslims.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus, Or Could Jesus Have Been Married? by Ayomivic(m): 11:37am On Sep 17, 2012

plaetton: First, remember that those who arrogated to the apostolic authority to the church of rome also edited and redacted the gospels to suit their agendas.Agendas that became more political than religious.

Mary magdalene was not a prostitute. She was deliberately maligned in order to obsfuscate the very issue that were are currently discussing.
She was headache for the early church fathers. Calling her a prostitute was a smart and convenient way to get her role and importance out of the way.

now ask yourself, how and why, in those days, a poor prostitute would obtain very expensive oil to annoint jesus? What would have been the purpose of the so-called annoitment and what power of grace did she have to annoint anyone.

Ask youself, could the annointing with expensive oil have been some kind of rite or ritual, perhaps a marriage rite?
Ask yourself again, how possible it would have been for an umarried lady to have been allowed to follow jesus and his entourage everywhere.

In the gospel of John, there are numerous references to " the disciple whom Jesus loved".
So you think Jesus was just too busy to love? Too busy to eat and sleep too?

Satan had dominated all of your thought. May God deliver you.

Islam › Re: To Muslims who react violently to Video against Prophet Muhammed (SAW) by Ayomivic(m): 10:33am On Sep 17, 2012

Decryptor: @op, with what u just posted here, i suspect u were probably a christian before converting to islam. U think like us

i thaught of that too when i was reading his post.

Christianity Etc › This Is What Christians Mean By Saying "Jesus Had Died For Our Sin. by Ayomivic(op): 6:34pm On Sep 15, 2012*

Many questions had raised about what christians mean by Jesus had died for our sins.Some said how can one died for the sins of the world? Another said he hate christians saying that statement.

I am going to say here what christians mean by that statement according to OT and NT which i believed. At the end of this written, i would want people to prove me right or wrong but let your rebuttal comes from Bible or Quran. I will also like to ask Muslims one questions.Let me start.

We all knew the story of how God called Abraham out of his country and the promises God made to him. If we don't forget, one of those promises was that "...And in thee shall all families of the earth shall be blessed" (Gen 12:1-3) Some took the world blessed in above verses to mean Material things but what it means was ' holy ' since the rest of the world at that time were pagans.

God also took the Israelite out of Egypt and in wilderness God gave them laws and commandment (Exodus 20:1-26). Going against God laws and commandments is called sin.There were two penalities for the breaking the laws and commandments. Death and antonement. There were sins that lead to death and there were sins that required sin offering or trespass offering. Some of sins we sinned against man and God may lead to death eg furnication, adultery,killing, are sins to death or sins that we sinned against our flesh e.g lesbians, gay, intimate with animals.Exodus 22:18-20 But some of the sins we sinned against man and God may requir atonement eg taking things forcefully from another person, duping, lying in things kept with you or some sins that we sinned against God alone no man involved eg swearing (Levit 6:1-7,5:1-13)

Atonement in OT mean taking animal that were not blemish to priest as sin offering or trespass offering to make sacrifice for your sin.You will lay your hand on your animal and the priest will kill the animal and sprinkke his blood on the altar in tabernacle with his fingers. Remember God said Israelite should not eat blood because life of flesh is in blood but it had been given to make atonement of sins. (Lev 17:10-12)

An atonement renew us of our sins and gave us chance to make amendment of our ways unlike the sin that lead to death, once you are cought with these sins you are condemn to hell. Remember what God told Moses that he would removed the names of those that offended him from the book of lives.

If you committed sins that required atonement but you refused to make atonement that means you are storing your punishment for the day of judgement.

Everbody in OT needed atonement of their sins. Common man must atone for their sins (Lev 4:27-35)

the priests must atone for their sins (Lev 4:3-12),

the rulers must atone for ther sins.(Lev 4:22-26)

the priest must make atonement for the congregation of Isael. (Lev 4:13-21)

We must also know that God had made so many prophecies about NT. Moses said to Israelite that God we raised another prophet like him among their brethen,him they must listen to. (Exod 18:18)
God spoke of making a new convenant and he spoke of making himself know to gentiles like you and me.

In order to fulfil the prophecies and as a mercy expecially to gentiles. God gave us Jesus as a lamb for sin offering and trespass offering. (John 1:36) What God did here was just like what he did for Abraham when he asked him to offer his son to him as sacrifice .God can tell Abraham to go back when he knows he was just testing is faith but instead of that, God offered the ram for that sacrifice. God gave us Jesus christ as a sign of his love and mercy to us. God want all of us to make heaven.No one is condemn by stoning for his or her sin again. We can make a reconciliation with God no matter how terrible our sin is ,by making confession of of our sin,make restitution and forsake that sin.Jesus had paid the price for us.

The animal used for offering must not have blemish,this was the reason Jesus was born by virgin Mary without fusion of man and woman. Jesus did not share in original sin, sin inherited from Adam and Eve that every other human shared. Another evidence was the vail of the tabernacle where offering was been made that got tore on the day Jesus died on cross. (Matth 27:50-51)

If you still remember, there must be in present a sinner of whom atonement was to make. He will lay his hand on the head of his offering before its being killed, and the present of priest who will perform the ceremony is neccesary too.The priest Kaifer was present in the offering of Jesus (Matth 27:1) and the congregation that needed atonement were present to represent the world. They accepted the killing of lamb of God, when they said
" crucify him, let his blood be on us and that of our children" (Matth 27:22-25) .
Jesus also said this when he was alive, that he comes to die for our sins in many verses of Bible ( Matth 26:26-30 ). So, don't say it was plan of apostles to deceive people.
If you don't have belief in NT what about the prophecies of many prophets in OT? Isaiah foretold about the death of Jesus and the significance of his death.Read Isaiah 42: 1-9 , 53; 1- 12

When we say Jesus had died for our sins, that does not says or mean that we are free to commit sin or that God will not judge us in the day of judgement. God will judge us on the day of judgement for the sins that we did not foresake. For the bible says we must confess and forsake our sins. If we don't forsake our sin we can't say we are christian because the bible say
'if any man is in christ he has become a new creator behold old things has passed away' (2 corithians 5:17)

So, my question to Muslims is that,why are they not make atonement for their sins as speculated in OT in which they follow some law if they say Jesus did not die for them?

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Christianity Etc › Re: If We Are To Love Our Enemies, Are We Not To Love Satan? by Ayomivic(m): 3:09pm On Sep 14, 2012*

Evil Brain: Whether or not I'm a Christian or not is irrelevant. You haven't been able to refute my post so my point stands and the question remains.

If we are supposed to love our enemies, are we not to love Satan? Try and come up with a better answer, but this time apply logic.

The answer is this,if we love our enemies, we hate Satan and we destroy Satan's plan. The reason is that, we Christians have only one enemy who is Satan.What Satan did to be an enemy was that, he wants us to pertake in his punishment by drag us to hell. He achived this by decieving us to go against God's commandments so that God can reject us.

The person you call your enemies or enemy is just a victims of Satan whom Satan is using to dicieve and band another person. Satan does not love his victims, what he wants is to send them to hell but he would wants the blame to be on him or on another person.That is why he drags them to you to terminate them and if you did you become another victim. Remember what Satan did in garden of Eden. He used Serpen to deceive Adam and Eve and by doing that he turns serpent to enemy of Adam and Eve. When God punished them he did not punish serpent alone but he did punish Adam and Eve too but Satan went unpunished.
Take witches for instance, if you kill witch, you can't kill satan in her but you kill human being like you but Satan that was in her will go and torment another person. If you kill your enemy you have sent a soul to hell. Satan gains a soul to himself and God loses a soul to hell.

If we are praying for our enemies we are loosing them from the bandage of Satan. If we love them, we put Satan to shame. If we do good to them, is just as if we are preaching to them who know if one good you do to them will make them change from their evil way.
If we love and pray for our enemies ,we buy them chance to repent from their evil way.

I still want us to know that anybody that take a real christians as enemy has automatially pointed his sword against God for war. He said in bible touch not my anointed. God did not play with the lives of his people. He did not play with their lives and he did not want them to hate anybody or take revenge by themself. He did not wants them to kill intensionally.
To protect christians is God duity. Let us do our own part or duities and leave God to do his own part .Its a sin for us to intervene in the affair of God.

Bro, if we hate our enemies, we love Satan because that was what Satan wants, that was his plan but if we love our enemies ,we hate Satan because we have put shame on Satan and that was what God wants .May God help us.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If We Are To Love Our Enemies, Are We Not To Love Satan? by Ayomivic(m): 1:35pm On Sep 14, 2012

Evil Brain: Whether or not I'm a Christian or not is irrelevant. You haven't been able to refute my post so my point stands and the question remains.

If we are supposed to love our enemies, are we not to love Satan? Try and come up with a better answer, but this time apply logic.

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Celebrities › Re: Bimbo Akintola- "I Can Be 70 & Still Be Single If I Don't Meet The Right Man'' by Ayomivic(m): 12:40pm On Sep 06, 2012

0[quote author=Missy_B]That's my girl! cheesy

[/quote]really

Celebrities › Re: Bimbo Akintola- "I Can Be 70 & Still Be Single If I Don't Meet The Right Man'' by Ayomivic(m): 12:39pm On Sep 06, 2012

0[quote author=Missy_B]That's my girl! cheesy

[/quote]really

Politics › Re: 4 Killed & MTN Office Maiduguri Set On Fire By Suspected Terrorist by Ayomivic(m): 12:36pm On Sep 06, 2012

Acidosis: *sad**

hmmn.. But One Day,

"BUSH MEAT GO CATCH THE HUNTER"

Acidosis: *sad**

hmmn.. But One Day,

"BUSH MEAT GO CATCH THE HUNTER"

Acidosis: *sad**

hmmn.. But One Day,

"BUSH MEAT GO CATCH THE HUNTER"

True true

Christianity Etc › Re: He Died For Our Sins...this Statement Always Cracks Me Up by Ayomivic(m): 11:22pm On Sep 05, 2012

It always pain me ,if i hear that some people do not still understand what christians mean by saying Jesus had died for our sins. I will take time to explain wha it mean tomorrow ,just watch out. I have been written books on this before but its still in progress.i will share it with you tomorrow by open another thread.

Christianity Etc › Re: Misusing & Abusing The "blood Of Jesus" by Ayomivic(m): 9:35pm On Aug 28, 2012

[quote author=m_nwankwo]The bood of Jesus, the son of God does not wash away sins as many believe. It is indeed an irony that most people accept that Jesus was murdered and yet they accept that the blood shade by murder will forgive sins. No body has expained why the holy God, the creator of all the worlds will require the blood of his son to forgive the sins of his creatures. Any teaching which requires the shedding of blood for the forgivenes of sin is false no matter the name of such teaching. Wheather it is animal blood, human blood or the blood of Jesus do not excuse this unholy belief. It is sad that we ascribe to God the activities of ritualists and those that worship lucifer and his followers. God in his purity does not require the blood of his son to save his creatures. The word of Truth which Jesus brought is what men need for their salvation. It is a besmirching, a blasphemy, a mocry of the holiness of God when evil and peganistic traditions are ascribed to the Godhead.[/quote]How would someone speaks of God or bible without a single quote from Bible and he thinks we would believe him or her?

Christianity Etc › Re: Misusing & Abusing The "blood Of Jesus" by Ayomivic(m): 9:35pm On Aug 28, 2012

Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 4:01pm On Aug 28, 2012

mencer: 'For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]. And they went to another village' Luke 9:56

Permit me to expatiate on this verse. I think there is leason to learn there for those that still believe in destroying their enemy.Let read the book of Luke 9:51-56 i quote.

"And it come to pass,when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face and they went,and enter into a village of Samaritan,to make ready for him.And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this,they said,lord wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them,even as Elias did ?
But he turned ,and rebuked them, and said.Ye know not what manner of spirit you are of .For the son of man is not come to destroy men's live, but to save them. And they went to another village"

this is another evidence from Master himself. Are will ready to be like him or to follow our own way of lives ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 12:17pm On Aug 28, 2012

cheddarking: Any Christian that truly believes he should 'love' his enemies is truly a f00l.

Your true enemy is that man/woman who hates you for no just cause, and who doesn't want to see you succeed in life.
Your true enemy is that person who in the shadow of the night carries your name to the babalawo to kill you(This is irrespective of the babalawo's effectiveness. The intent is the key factor)
Your true enemy is that person who would physically attack(or pay someone to physically attack) you.

And you feel such a person should live?

Throughout the bible, there are multiple examples of God destroying the enemies of his people.

Any christian worth his salt must endeavour to rain spiritual fire and bullets on his enemies!

You can pray against your enemey without asking for his soul .You can pray these prayer

God protect me from my enemy,don't let him have power over me,guide my going out and coming in.

If you believe enemy has taken something important from you.You can pray that God should return that thing back to you and that God should render enemy power to be useless over you.

Just imagine a father that has two son one is wicked and disobedient.The other is obident and gentle.Let say the father gave the obident son something and the wicked son went and block his way,beat him and collect what father gave him.The gentle son then went to complain to their father. what do you think the father would do?He can console the gentle son and give him another one or punish the wicked son and collecte what he had collected back to the owner.

But if the gentle boy is asking that father should kill the wicked boy for his sake ,what then make the gentle son different to the so call wicked son ? Which father will kill son for another son? Think of this

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Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 11:45am On Aug 28, 2012

cheddarking: Any Christian that truly believes he should 'love' his enemies is truly a f00l.

Your true enemy is that man/woman who hates you for no just cause, and who doesn't want to see you succeed in life.
Your true enemy is that person who in the shadow of the night carries your name to the babalawo to kill you(This is irrespective of the babalawo's effectiveness. The intent is the key factor)
Your true enemy is that person who would physically attack(or pay someone to physically attack) you.

And you feel such a person should live?

Throughout the bible, there are multiple examples of God destroying the enemies of his people.

Any christian worth his salt must endeavour to rain spiritual fire and bullets on his enemies!

You can pray against your enemey without asking for his soul .Such as

God protect me from my enemy,don't let him have power over me,guide my going out and coming in.

If you believe enemy has taken something important from you.You can pray that God should return that thing back to you and that God should render enemy power to be useless over you.

Just imagine a father that has two son one is wicked and disobident.The other was obident and gentle.Let say the father gave the obident son something and the wicked son went and block his way,beat him and collect what father gave him.The gentle son then went to complain to their father. what do you think the father would do?Console the gentle son and give him another one, punish the wicked son and collecte what he had collected back to the owner.

But if the gentle boy is asking that father should kill the wicked boy for his sake what make the gentle son different to the so call wicked son then? Which father will kill son for another son?

Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 9:26pm On Aug 27, 2012

cheddarking: Any Christian that truly believes he should 'love' his enemies is truly a f00l.

Your true enemy is that man/woman who hates you for no just cause, and who doesn't want to see you succeed in life.
Your true enemy is that person who in the shadow of the night carries your name to the babalawo to kill you(This is irrespective of the babalawo's effectiveness. The intent is the key factor)
Your true enemy is that person who would physically attack(or pay someone to physically attack) you.

And you feel such a person should live?

Throughout the bible, there are multiple examples of God destroying the enemies of his people.

Any christian worth his salt must endeavour to rain spiritual fire and bullets on his enemies!

Which one would you follow your wish or the wish of God ? can you please qote a verses from Bible to suport your words?

Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 7:17pm On Aug 27, 2012

kpolli: Why did David kill Goliath then? Don't just read the words of the Bible, get their meanings

Goliath was an enemy of nation (Isreal) .He died in a war.
Are you a sodier? If you are that is another case.

Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 7:12pm On Aug 27, 2012

kpolli: Why did David kill Goliath then? Don't just read the words of the Bible, get their meanings

Goliath was an enemy of nation ( Israel ) he died in war.
Are you a soldier? If you are, that is another case.

Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 7:00pm On Aug 27, 2012

top4eva: Life is about fulfilling the purpose of God for your life, if don't fulfil the purpose of God for your life you will be blamed by God and there is probability of such fellow going to hell. Because God has deposited somethings in you, if you die with it as a result of one witchcraft in your fathers house without exploring that thing that God has deposited in you, you may end up in hell fire. People who had vowed over there dead body will you make it. If they kill you before fulfiling your destiny, you will be blamed for it, so it better you kill them before they kill you.
When you pray for your enemy to die, does not mean that the physical body will die but to render impotent the spirit that is causing them to do wickedness. So it is not physical death in this case but the death of whatever is causing them to do wickedness.

please what is the purpose of God for your life? What did God deposit in you and what is your destiny? Why would God put you in hell because you did not fulfil your destiny, if some one destiny is to become bricklayers or tailoring?

If an enemy vow that if he did not die you can't prosper. Do you think the only solution is for such enemy to die? If that is your belife then you ridicule the power of God.Your faith is small. Don't you belive God can make you prosper in the present of such enemy?

Can you please tell me, which of these do you prefer as christian.
First,to die young and enter the kindom of God?

second,to get older and go to hell?

There are so many way to pray without suggest the dead of your enemy.Do you know that.

Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 4:40pm On Aug 27, 2012

musKeeto: I don't need to turn the Bible upside down. The Bible turns itself upside down. GOD/YAHWEH is a GOD Of HATE and JEALOUSY... The Bible tells me so..
So you should expect his followers to do the same..

In fact you are reading Bible but i can say all the verses you quoted up there, shows the different between OT and NT. Why can't you give more verses from NT to back your words? Try to learn the different between OT and NT.

Christianity Etc › Can Evil Ones Torment Christians? by Ayomivic(op): 9:45am On Aug 25, 2012

CAN EVIL ONES TORMENT CHRISTIANS ?

Let me first answer this question and if iam wrong or right please let me know.

According to the bible, the answer to the above question is no. I think we christians are the problem of ourself and that was the reason some call christians are been tormented by evil ones.We claimed to be christian whereas we are not. Let me start by asking this question.
who is christian ?
We all know that the meaning of christians is people like christ. Then, who is christ ?
Christ was an holy man who really obeyed God by doing the will of God. If we are christians as we claimed, we need to do the will of God.

If we are real christians the bible makes us to understand that evil one can not touch or torment us.

"We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not" (1 John 5:18).

this verse shows that Satan respects the child of God because, he fears the present of God that is in them.When we obey God, his face we be upon us to protect and bless us and if we call on him he answers quickly.This was the reason Jesus said
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness (seek to obey God) and all these things (protection, material things) shall be added onto you" (Mathew 6:33)

If we are secretly committing sins,that is when we open doors for Satan or invited Satan to torment us. He can use that oppotunity to enslave his victims, to disgrace them and drag them to hell, if care is not taking. Many christian when they are in one problem or the other, they will started runing from piller to post, from one pastor to other to offer prayers instead of examine themself to see if they have unknow or intensionaly paved way for satan or his agents .If we found this to be the couses,What we need to do is to make amendment of our way, by confessing our sin to God or returning what we have wrongly taken from others and make sure we do not continue in that evil way again. The Bible says

"People who conceal their sins will not prosper, but if they confess and turn from them, they will receive mercy" (proverbs 28:13)

"If we confess our sins,he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sin and cleans us from unrighteousness" (1 John 1; 9)

Many people want deliverance from God in time of truble but they are not ready to forsake their sins .They want to collect but not willing to give.This is difficult. the Bible says

"What shal we say then?Shall we continue in sin,that grace may abound?,God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2)

we should also know that, some time this so call problem or affilction is good because it brings us back to God before it is to late. When we are afflicted, we tend to turn back to God for mercy.

"Then i will return to my place until they admit their guilt and turn to me.For as as soon as trouble comes, they will earnestly search for me" (Hosea 5;15)

But if we examine ourself in time of truble or affilction and discover that we have not done anything wrong to deserve what we are passing through as Job did. then let us be happy because it is a temptation, and at the end of any temption no matter how long it is, there must be joy.

The world is full of temptations for we Christians.The bible call Satan "the tempter".

I can say temptation is good and in other hand terrible for christian.The reason i said this is that,Temptation help us to know our stand in faith by putting us to test to see if we are doing or know what God wants . It give joy to christian if we over come it. But if it over come Christians, it can lead to terrible things.

I think there are two types of temtation.First, Satan can tempt us to regect God and go in the way of world when we are facing hardship of life.This is the kind of temptation that Job faced.

Secondly, Satan can show us the beauty and goodness of wordly things to make us disobey God.This is type of temptation that Adam and Eve faced in the garden of Eden.Jesus also faced these two kinds of temptations together.

"Watch and pray so that you will not fall into into temptation"( Mathew 26:41)

in short, christian as nothing to fear, if they are really at God saide.
I pray God we help us to always do what pleases hin in Jesus name .Amen

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is My Enemy? by Ayomivic(m): 10:52pm On Aug 24, 2012

As christian we have only one enemy an that enemy is satan which manifested in sins.What Satan did to us is that,he makes us disobey God so that God can condemn us or punish us the witches and wizard that we think are our enemy,ar not our true enemy but a victims of Satan that Satan is using as a tools to torment or win soul to himself.when they got spoiled, he throws them to hell.The spirit inside witches is the real wicthes.if we kill witches we,only kill human being that God creates and love.

Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 1:55pm On Aug 23, 2012

Omo Alata: I personally don't think the prayer is against the man/woman per se to die but the prayer is for the evil power inside of them to die i.e. to be cut off spiritually from you and render it powerless against you. The witch will still be a witch but they will be unable to touch you spiritually/physically because you have rendered them impotent

evil spirit can not die but he can be cast out of their tormentors as Jesus did to them. I still want us to know that prayer can not be used by anybody to stop or prevent evils.That is to say be a prayer worrior does not say satan can not afflicted you with pain or sufferness. What guarantee your protection is holiness.When you are holy the spirit of God will abide in you and the face of God is upon you. That is when you can pray effective prayer

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Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 1:20pm On Aug 23, 2012

[quote author=Ndipe]How about telling God to fight your battles? Is that a sin also? How can you tell God to fight your battles and at the same time pray to Him to bless your enemies? Well, God never lies, He never fails.[/quote

If we are real christians or true child of God we don't need to ask God to fight our battle befor he does.

Christianity Etc › Re: Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 9:45pm On Aug 22, 2012

In fact, i was so happy to read that all the people that commented on this post did not in suport of prayer for one enemy or enemies to die.That shows that there are still christians who really know what they believed. I too used to pray that prayer before because i believed what makes pastors to made that prayer point shows that we should not have pity on our enemy no matter the case.But God proved this wrong when he opened my eye to some verses in bible,since that day i had learnt to change my prayer point. Even, if it lead by pastor.

I remember, the day i went to one pogramme.The guest pastor that were leading prayer point, made a prayer point that
"the congregation should pray that any body that was against their success should die with his or her generation"
I was still thinking over that prayer point, when the host pastor taped the man.The man understood what the host pastor meant.He then faced the congregation and said
" daddy thought my prayer point is wicked" he then put the question to the congregation.
" Do any one here want his or her mother or father to be alive if he or she was behind your problem that you will not succed in live"

The congregation shouted in unison.
"let her or him die quickly"
Then ,the thaught started coming to my mind that, was this what Jesus taught us? We turn holly gost to killer. But holly gost is not killer,the work of holly gost is to release those that are in bandage not to put people in bandage.This kind of prayer is not prayer but curse and a sin.Job made us to understand this when he say

" ..If i rejoiced at the destruction of him that hate me or lifted up myself when evill found him neither have i suffer my mouth to sin by wishing a course to his soul" (Job 31:29-30)

I still whant you to know that, if you are praying like this you are an enemy of Jesus or let me call you anti- christ for Jesus does not want us to die in our sin. That was the reason he die, so that we can have lives.He redeemed us with his blood, so that we can come back to God at anytime no matter the times we go against him or how terrible our sin is.The bible says
"Jesus is making intercession for the trangressor" Isaiah 53:3-12

if Jesus was made intercession to the trangressor and we that were siner before but found favour in him, is telling God to kill another siner whom Jesus is calling to repent from his or her sin . Are we not anti- christ? was this not reason why Jesu said that
"not every one that say unto me lord ,lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but he that did the will of my father which is in heaven.Many will say to me in that day,lord,lord have we not prophesied in thy name and in the name have cast out devils? And in the name done many wonderful works? And then will i profess unto them,i never knew you depart from me,ye that work iniquity"

our pastors should think about the prayer they are going to offer.If you kill anybody in the name of prayer,the sin of that peson will be on him but his or her death God we ask from you.
Our lord Jesus christ had tought us to love our enemy,bless them and do good to them.He did not only said that, he also lead by example. Instead of cursing those that nailed him to cross, he pray for them.If we are true follower of christ, this is what Jesus expected from us.

If you said to some christians that prayer for one enemies to die is not good.They will make an execuse in the book of psalm and one or two prophets in OT and if you say they should follow some law in OT they will say that Jesus had nailed to cross and the reason we want to kill our enemies is because we love the world and the bible say

"Love not the world neither the things that are in the word.If any man love the world, the love of father is not in him.For all that is in world,the lust of the flesh,and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life,is not of the father,but is of the world and the world passeth away, and the lust there of:but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever"1 John2:15- 17

It was Jesus that died for us, let us follow his teaching.

I pray Jesus will not regect us in the day of judgement (amen)

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Christians Ignore These Rules In The Bible? by Ayomivic(m): 2:14pm On Aug 22, 2012

I believe Thirdborn and Abusola are Muslims that was the reason they read bible without understanding. They are not of Christ,so they can't understand him. I wish they can understand the love and mercy God had given to us through our lord Jesus christ.

Let me answer thirborn first.You quoted Deuteronomy 28:15
"But it shall come to pass,if thou will not hearken to the voice of the lord the God to observe, to do all his commandment and his statue which i command you this day that all these curse shall come upon thee and overtake thee"
i can say that Moses was talking this to the Isrealite then. Actually there is curse on evil people because there are reword for everything we do even on this earth "the evill shall follow the evil mand and good shall follow rightrous people
but you forgot Deut: 18:18 where God said to Mose I quote
"I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethen like unto the, and i will put my WORD IN HIS MOUTH and he shall speak unto them all that I SHALL COMMAND HIM "
and Jesus came whom you believed he was a prophet, and testified to the above statement that he was the prophet God was refering to by saying
"but I know him for i am from him, he had sent me" John 7:29
You also quoted Mathew 5:17 "think not that i am come to destroy the law or the prophets IAM NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL...."

Now, have you ever asked about the reason why Jesus utter this statement? If you have not, i will tell you. Jesus uttered this statement for them to understand better what he was about to teach them, that was different to what they knew or believed. He said i did not come to destroy the law but he went ahead to say this statement if you read further that chapter. Let me quote this verse for you to understand

....It has been said,whosoever shall put away his wife,let him give her a writing of divorcement (Mosaic law,Jews belief) bu i said unto you,that whosoever shall put away his wife ,saving for the cause of fornication causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divoiced committeth adultery"( God fulfilment)
the above statement seem as if Jesus is adding to the existing law but he was not.This was what the law is saying but the jews of that time lack undestanding

"Ye have head that it hath been said,an eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth (mosaic law) but i say unto you, that you resist not evil but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek turn to him the other also...."

interesting, Abusola should take notice of this, for he made metion of it.
The Jews taught God want them to take revenge and that was what they called the work of God.This was the reason why Jesus added this before he started his teaching in Mathew 5:20

"For i say unto you,except your rightrousness shall exceed the rightrousness of scribes and pharisees,YOU SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER THE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN"

What are the righrousness of scribe and pharisees as we read in Jesus teaching? Their rightrous is that, they were using torah(the law ) as an excuse to commit evill thinking they are doing the work of God. They divorced their wife without genuine reason,as an advantages to commit adultery just because the law as said they can divorce their wife. They use the law to execute the person they hate without mercy just because the law said eye for an eye,tooth for tooth.The Muslims we are seen todays, they are not different to the scribes and pharisees Jesus warned us of.They too kills,ampulating hands,divorce without genuine reason, hate other but love their muslims brothers and sisters,and with these they thinking they are doing the work of God. They carried the law but they did not fulfil the law fov they lack understanding of the law.

You also quoted 1 corinthians 11;6 that the woman should cover their head or shave their head if they can't cover it.
I believe geniune christians women knows this and they are doing it but the bible does not say they should cover it from head to toes like masqurades as some muslims women use to do.

And for the 1 corinthians 13: 34
Let your woman keep silence in church in the churchs for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are to be UNDER OBEDIENCE ,as also saith the law.And if they will learn any thing let them ask their husbands at home FOR IT IS A SHAME FOR WOMEN TO SPEAK IN CHURCH"
i think this is not applied to all churches beause not all churches give chance for women to be pastor but i still want you to understand why they were not permmit to speak.Notice the words i wrote in capital letter. We all know that the men are head of woman and the two people that makes churches are women and men and that was the reason that verses says its a shame to churches. Shame but it did not say it is sin.So if you did not count it to be shame you can attend their churches. That does not mean you have committed a sin.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Christians Ignore These Rules In The Bible? by Ayomivic(m): 11:49am On Aug 22, 2012

I believe Thirdborn and Abusola are Muslims that was the reason they read bible without understanding. They are not of Christ,so they can't understand him. I wish they can understand the love and mercy God had given to us through our lord Jesus christ.

Let me answer thirborn first.You quoted Deuteronomy 28:15
"But it shall come to pass,if thou will not hearken to the voice of the lord the God to observe, to do all his commandment and his statue which i command you this day that all these curse shall come upon thee and overtake thee"

but you forgot Deut: 18:18 where God said to Mose I quote
"I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethen like unto the, and i will put my WORD IN HIS MOUTH and he shall speak unto them all that I SHALL COMMAND HIM "
and Jesus came whom you believed he was a prophet, and testified to the above statement that he was the prophet God was refering to by saying
"but I know him for i am from him, he had sent me" John 7:29
You also quoted Mathew 5:17 "think not that i am come to destroy the law or the prophets IAM NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL...."

Now, have you ever asked about the reason why Jesus utter this statement? If you have not, i will tell you. Jesus uttered this statement for them to understand better what he was about to teach them, that was different to what they knew or believed. He said i did not come to destroy the law but he went ahead to say this statement if you read further that chapter. Let me quote this verse for you to understand

....It has been said,whosoever shall put away his wife,let him give her a writing of divorcement (Mosaic law,Jews belief) bu i said unto you,that whosoever shall put away his wife ,saving for the cause of fornication causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divoiced committeth adultery"( God fulfilment)
the above statement seem as if Jesus is adding to the existing law but he was not.This was what the law is saying but the jews of that time lack undestanding

"Ye have head that it hath been said,an eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth (mosaic law) but i say unto you, that you resist not evil but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek turn to him the other also...."

interesting, Abusola should take notice of this, for he made metion of it.
The Jews taught God want them to take revenge and that was what they called the work of God.This was the reason why Jesus added this before he started his teaching in Mathew 5:20

"For i say unto you,except your rightrousness shall exceed the rightrousness of scribes and pharisees,YOU SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER THE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN"

What are the righrousness of scribe and pharisees as we read in Jesus teaching? Their rightrous is that, they were using torah(the law ) as an excuse to commit evill thinking they are doing the work of God. They divorced their wife without genuine reason,as an advantages to commit adultery just because the law as said they can divorce their wife. They use the law to execute the person they hate without mercy just because the law said eye for an eye,tooth for tooth.The Muslims we are seen todays, they are not different to the scribes and pharisees Jesus warned us of.They too kills,ampulating hands,divorce without genuine reason, hate other but love their muslims brothers and sisters,and with these they thinking they are doing the work of God. They carried the law but they did not fulfil the law fov they lack understanding of the law.

You also quoted 1 corinthians 11;6 that the woman should cover their head or shave their head if they can't cover it.
I believe geniune christians women knows this and they are doing it but the bible does not say they should cover it from head to toes like masqurades as some muslims women use to do.

And for the 1 corinthians 13: 34
Let your woman keep silence in church in the churchs for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are to be UNDER OBEDIENCE ,as also saith the law.And if they will learn any thing let them ask their husbands at home FOR IT IS A SHAME FOR WOMEN TO SPEAK IN CHURCH"
i think this is not applied to all churches beause not all churches give chance for women to be pastor but i still want you to understand why they were not permmit to speak.Notice the words i wrote in capital letter. We all know that the men are head of woman and the two people that makes churches are women and men and that was the reason that verses says its a shame to churches. Shame but it did not say it is sin.So if you did not count it to be shame you can attend their churches. That does not mean you have committed a sin.

though God says it in Mosaic law that they should not take revenge but they did not see that.The Mu

Christianity Etc › Praying For Your Enemies To Die, Is It Right Or Wrong? by Ayomivic(op): 1:23pm On Aug 21, 2012

Many todays christians are going to church becaous they want to receive back their lost glory.Some believed that enemies are behind their problems and they are ready to do any thing to defeat and claim back their glory even if it will cause the life of their enemy or enemies.So, my quesion is as a christian is it good to ask for one enemy's life for you to enjoy your life? To me is very bad, the reason is that, you can not find this attitudes in the life of Jesus or the lives of early christians.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christians,honestly, Do You Think Yahweh And The God Of Jesus Might Be Different by Ayomivic(m): 3:02pm On Aug 20, 2012

ijawkid: YAHweh hasn't changed and he is still d same GOD and FATHER of Jesus CHrist......

Yahweh only had 2 covenant through which HE had dealings with his servants and Humans in general...............

1st was the one moses was d mediator, of which was not perfect.......

2ndly and lastly is the new covenant,which Jesus the only begotten son and servant Of YAHWEH is the mediator......

And this new covenant is perfect......

This new covenant affords the world in general to be reconciled to Yahweh....

How do we know YAHWEH has not changed??

He will soon bring an end to wickedness and its perpetrators just as He did in the times of NOAH and sodom $ gomorrah.......

He's only giving us time to adjust our ways so that we don't end up with satan in the lake of fire(total and complete destruction)......

Obstinate Atheists(lol),agnostics who aint sure of where they stand,false christians(those who profess to be christians but do the opposite of what Jesus did and said when he came to the earth),are all giving extra time to change there ways b4 the great day of the ALMIGHTY comes..........

Yahweh will use his son JESUS,his king designate to carry out this actions...........

So my brother,Yahweh hasn't changed....

Jesus is even the one pleading on our behalf right now.......

But soon there'll be an end to that,judgement and destruction will follow....

But note!!!!!!::::::::::: those who do the will of Yahweh,Jesus's Father and GOD are the ones that will remain forever...

Make sure u are part of that group......

Thank u sir..!!!!

Thanks. You have done it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Continued Wrangling With Unbelievers. Trumpet Call To Christians. by Ayomivic(m): 4:40pm On Aug 17, 2012

cyrexx:

my destiny and my life is good without religion and the imaginary god they told us about.

wisdom demands i expose the inherent falsity of religions.

stop that nonsense,there is nothing good about your life, if you do not believe in God and in Jesus christ. Stop living the animal life.

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