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PoliticsRe: Lagosians Tapping Electricity Direct From Pole!! by Ayomivic(m): 2:03pm On Aug 17, 2012
Omexonomy: @op for crying out loud i hope you are earning above the minimum wage. A lot of people ar poor that to them electricity is very expensive. One thing is certain when a commodity is too expensive people will certainly cut conners to get it. How many of the consumers are earning above ten thousand per month what percentage of thier income will go to PHCN. The govt should have cosidered all these b4 imposing it on the people
i think you are right,goverment should have considered the poor before fixing the price.

Some one said he used the card of 3000 for three week and the light was in used for 22 hours per day.This price may be favourable to those that are living in flat but what about the people that are living in a room , in face me and face you house, paying 1000 monthly for the house rent. Do you think they would be able to cope with this new system? Some of these people are paying #100, #200, the people that paid highest, may be they pay #500 monthly before because the PHCN bill will be divided by numbers of the rooms .I don't know how this will be possible with this new system or methord.

Democracy is goverment of people be it poor or rich.They should not put difference to the people of this country in this matter as they did to that of education, not when we have all known the goodness and important of electricity. If they don't put the poor in consideration, they should expect things like this from the people.
Christianity EtcRe: The Catholic Position. Dont They Have A Point? by Ayomivic(m): 2:19pm On Aug 15, 2012
chukwudi44: Purgatory is mentioned as prison in the verse below
1 Peter 3:19-21 (King James Version) - Bible Gateway

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime
were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days.

The spirits of those who ignored noah were kept in prison pending the death of jesus
in addition to the above written, you can read 1 corinthians 3:2-15 verse 15 says

if any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be save yet so as by fire 1 cor 3: 15

read it from chapter three for better understanding.

My question is how can one save by passing through the fire if there is no pogatory?
CelebritiesRe: Will You Join Illuminati If You Were Offered $15 Million by Ayomivic(m): 1:50pm On Aug 14, 2012
Wisdytech: **dt moni big o! Stp cnt resist 4rm JOINING IT, due 2 d high rate of poverty in 9ja!*
DJ WISDYTECH
I don't know what makes people think this way. For me, let it be 500 billion dolars. I can't join them in Jesus name. Some people would think of advantages of a thing but never mind the disadvantage of that thing. Those that said they would join for the amount metion, should pls tell me. If you join today,you collected that money and die tomorrow what we you say? You that does not know the time of your death.I am sorry for you.

You hate the poverty of this eath that does not last forever, but prefer surferness that have no ending .Iam sorry for you again.

Please, always take lesson from death. Micheal Jackson with all his wealth and famous where is he today? If you collect that money what will you use it for? That your intensions had been accomplished by someone before and that person is no more today.The bible says.

"All men are like grass and their glory is like the flower of the field: the grass withers and the flower fall " .1 peter 1: 24

It will surely comes to an end one day, that day you don't know. Think wise.
IslamRe: Why Do All Muslims Pray In Arabic?? by Ayomivic(m): 1:11pm On Aug 08, 2012
90% of muslims can not read the Quran in arabic. Many of them that learnt how to read it, can't interpret what they are reading they just blindly follow the religion call Islam.

A muslim girl was told that Muhammed Married nine years old girl called Ahiza. The muslim girl then reply that it is a lie why is it that our mallam do not tell us? The other girl then told her to ask the mallam if she get arabic class.

When the muslim girl reach home she asked her father about it.

Muslim girl-"Dad was it true that prophet Muhammed married nine years old girl"

Dad reply- "why would he married nine years old girl when he is not foolish"

One day i sat down with three muslims, they were discussing their religion. One of them who was a Teblik, you can see that in his dressing and physical appearance. says " Muhammed's father did not enter paradise but we should not be saying that in public for the sake of Muslims that have not strong enough in there faith"
Can you see it, they hid so many things for their followers so that their faith in Muhammed can not be shaken.

Those Muslims that can not read or know what is in Quran, they are the people that good a little bit among muslims but you see those that called themself muslims elite, they are the most wicked people.It is in their hand that you will find books of charms, how to invoke jin or demon.They are just like pharisees and scribes that Jesus warns about in the book of matthew 23:2-28

If you see muslim that is sincerely saying that killing of Christians and Jew in the name of religion is not good. Iam telling you, that person is a novice or amateur in Islam and if you see their Mallams or Alfa saying killing in the name of religion is bad.He knows what he mean. He just do that to hide their true nature and to relieve their followers.

thanks to internet that reveal many thing about Islam but still many muslims are still in darkness.Let them interpret Quran in different languages like that of bible ,they would smell their yansh.
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Spirit Filled Christians Still Be Possessed By Demon(s)? by Ayomivic(m): 6:26pm On Aug 07, 2012
Ptolomeus: Excellent thread, my friend!
It is contradictory that the vast majority of the "possessed" are just Christians...
The question that arises is this: the Christian God does not protect its devotees? The Christian god has no power to care for their children from the dangers of Satan?
I never understood that.
I do not understand why a God so powerful, is fighting for thousands of years against Satan, unable to overcome ...
I suitable to send a fraternal embrace, dear friend!
You are agent of satan? It seems your master is winning now but his destination or abode is hell. You are obedient servant of your master he will surely reward you.Keep it on.
Christianity EtcRe: Rapture Coming Soon by Ayomivic(m): 6:04pm On Aug 07, 2012
[quote author=#%&@]lol..funny!

but here is the deal:
-- edo philosophy believes the world will not come to an end, hence 'agbonifo' is a common edo name meaning 'world without end'

so all u christian fanatics waiting for the rapture and the end of the world, i know u will have to wait forever.

oh, plus the mayans. grin[/quote]you don't believe in rapture but you belive in death.Then pepare for that inevitable journey (death) since you have no idea of how that jouney will be.Jesus saved.Hell is real.
Christianity EtcRe: Where Is Mary(mother Of Jesus) Report In The Bible? by Ayomivic(m): 2:47pm On Aug 07, 2012
tintingz: yeah it prove nothing indeed i get ur point. . .but don't you think Mary(as) should have a credit in the bible cuz in christianity Mary is the mother of God the mother of son the mother of holyghost? who died on the cross for mankind sins. . .she took care of little Jesus why can't she have her view(a chapter) in the bible so we can know everything about this "son of God" when he was little instead i only read when Jesus(pbuh) is preaching to the jews when Joseph and Mary were looking for him and found him in the temple talking to the jews after that we read Jesus as grown up cheesy
what did Mary's report that is in Quran says about Jesus? Does it against the disciples reports or why all these noises.The book of John 21;25 said

" and there are also many other things which Jesus did,the which, if they should be written every one,i suppose that even the world itself could not contain the book that should be written"

Who does not know that Mary was the mother of Jesus and that she was holy ? must they wrote every thing before you people can believe ?

Perhap the Quran you are talking about is just a stories teller.It did not speak about teaching of Jesus.
Christianity EtcRe: What Would Make You Believe There Is No God? by Ayomivic(m): 3:21pm On Aug 06, 2012
cyrexx: even your religion, which gave you your idea of God, cant do that. Your religion only promise you an imaginative fantasy of blissful unproveable second life. Anybody can promise anything. It doesnt stop death or old age that happens to everybody. Religion only offers an imaginative consolation. Nothing more.

But let me not discourage you, keep believing your God. Since that is what give you comfort and meaning in life.
Best wishes.
so you agreed that no body can stop death or old age and you are still believe there is no God? You need to think wise.

Death is inevitable. You are not sure there is no God. What if you die and there is God ?You will accept your faith and blame yourself for your disbelif. Change your way of reasoning.
Christianity EtcRe: If There Is No God.... by Ayomivic(op): 4:33pm On Jul 26, 2012
mkmyers45: ok the world is good now abi?
If the world is not good now as you believed, it will be times thousand worst if there is no God.
Christianity EtcRe: If There Is No God.... by Ayomivic(op): 3:58pm On Jul 26, 2012
mkmyers45: is the world better off with it?
Yes
Christianity EtcRe: If There Is No God.... by Ayomivic(op): 2:31pm On Jul 26, 2012
Delafruita: mumudele dumbosky
Sorry Mumudele, no point no answer.
Christianity EtcRe: If There Is No God.... by Ayomivic(op):
cyrexx: religioinsts, and particularly christianity falsely assumed that once you lose faith in god, you become an evil person.(ps14:1) that is both wrong and misleading, as there many many non-religious people that are very good and even better morally than most christians. infact, this wrong misconception that goodness requires belief in god is part of the successful demonization attempts of christianity on anything that runs contrary to its belief system.
The privilege many of the atheists have, is that, they are living in a society where many people still fear God. Even, those that do not fear God must hide their evil to avoid embarrassment. Imaging a world without God or fear of God, the people will be would be alike.
What will i relate your(atheists) case to? Ok. Your case is just like a disable man in the mist of thousand's able men,you know,the able men would make the disable man to be able man.
You can make yanga because Christians and Muslims had blended you.
Christianity EtcRe: If There Is No God.... by Ayomivic(op):
plaetton: So it is only the fear of god that keeps you from being a wild beast? Is that not an admission that without the belief of god, you have no moral compass, no conscience, no empathy, no humanity?

I have the above human attributes in abundance, and I dont believe in god.

So, who actually is a better human being with respect to ethics, morality, compassion and humanity, the religionist who pretends because he is fearful of the wrath of his loving god, or the athiest who embodies these virtous qualities within himself without the fear of any god?

Kindly answer.
Here i am.

I can bet it, if there is no God, you will not have all the human attributes you said you have.You may not believe in God but the truth is that ,something in you still fear him and acknowledged his existence.
If you read Leviticus 18:2-23, you find out the attitudes of the people or nations that do not beiieve in God.
In verse 24 of that chapter, God says " Defile not ye yourself in any of these things for in all these the nations are defiled which i cast out before you "

compare the life of people in a country where they do not believe in God, to the country where people do believed in God.

All those things you made metions, conscience, emphaty, humanity are not strong enough ,if encounter strong temptation.The fear of God makes you more stronger.
Christianity EtcRe: If There Is No God.... by Ayomivic(op): 12:45pm On Jul 26, 2012
mkmyers45: Wow....You see your life...SMH

You mates are making it and thanking 'Gawd' you dey hear they list some of the reasons why you don't want 'god' to exist...Mr Man shine your eyes...
Did i say i don't want God to exist?You see, it is you that need to shine is eyes.

What i wrote is to correct impression of NL Nebuchadnezzaries (atheists) that, if there is no God this world would have been worst than it is.
Christianity EtcRe: If There Is No God.... by Ayomivic(op): 12:23pm On Jul 26, 2012
tobechi20: If there is no God, u would have been a cheat,killer etc....thank God there is God


for me, what directs me is what Jesus say in the bible, DO TO OTHERS WHAT U WANT THEM TO DO FOR U
Remember, if there is no God, there would not be Jesus Christ or Bible. That teaching may not even exist and if it does ,why would i adopt that ?
Christianity EtcRe: Read This Story And Know Where You Belongs On Earth. by Ayomivic(op): 7:32pm On Jul 25, 2012
tobechi74: [/color][color=#990000]

i love ur creativity, ur ability to use difrent garment to illustrate various kind of people in the world...keep it up,
thank you.
IslamRe: Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah? by Ayomivic(op): 6:20pm On Jul 25, 2012
I detected annoyance in your post but you don't need to be angry with me, this is just a matter of explanation. It was what you said concerning Jesus that made me called you liar. You said "Satan SUCCEEDED IN TEMPTING Jesus" and later you said "Jeses TEMPTED BY SATAN " are there no differences in these two statement or sentences ? Satan can tempt anybody but he can not succeeded on everybody.

These is the proof you ask me to present.

Al- Qasim b. Al- Hasan- al-Husayn b. Daud-Hjja Abu mashar-Muhammad b.Kab al - Qurazi and Muhammed b.Qays: The messanger of God was sitting in a large gathering of Quraysh ,wishing that day that no revelation would come to him from God which could cause them to turn away from him .then God revealed

"By the stars, when it set, your comrade does not err, nor is he deceive

and the messanger of God recited it until he came to

Have you thought upon al- lat and al- uzza and manat, the third, the other ?

When Satan cast on his tongue two phrases;

" These are the high flying cranes, VERILY THEIR INTERCESSION IS TO BE DESIRE (176)

He uttered them and went on to complete the surah. When he prostrated himself at the end of surah, the whole company prostrated themselve with him. Al-walid b.Al- Mughivah raised some dust to his forehead and bowed over that, since he was very old man and could not prostrate himself. They were satified with what Muhammad had uttered and said, " we recongnize that it is God who give life and death, who create and who provides sustenance, but if these gods of ours intercede for us with him, and if you give them a share we are with you.

That evening Gabriel came to him and reviewed the surah with him, and when he reached the two phrases which Satan had cast upon his tongue he said " I did not bring you these two" then the messenger of God said " i have fabricated things against God and have imputed words which he has not spoken" then God revealed to him

" And they indeed strove hard to beguile you away from what we have revealed to you, that you should invent other than it against us...
to the words
" and then you would have found no helper against us"

He remained grief stricken and anxious until the revelation of the verses

" Never did we send a messanger or a prophet before you to the words...God is knower wise

when those who had emigrated to abyssinia heard that all people of Mecca accepted Islam, they returned to their clan, saying "they are more dear to us but they found that the people had reversed their decision when God cancelled what Satan cast upon the messenger of God's tongue.

This record were narrated by three or four people.They were
Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Sa'd, Al-Tabar,Ibn Taymiyyh,Bukhari.
I don't want to know if this can only find in Sunni book or Shia book or whatever, all i know is that Islam is Islam. When you quoted verses from Enoch book , did i disagree with you?

Now check here how Ka'ba became the worship direction for Muslims

Narrated Umar (bin Al Khattab) My lord agreed with me in three things ( I will give one of that things here)

1 .I said " O Allah's apostle , i wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place ( for some of our prayers) so came the divine inspiration: and take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer( for some of your prayers eg two Rakat or tawaf.

Narrated Al-Bara: the prophet prayed facing Bait-almaqdis ( i.e Jerusalem for sixteen or seventeen months but he wishes his Qibla would be the Ka'ba ( at Mecca) so ,Allah revealed (2: 144) and he offered Asr prayer in his mosque facing Ka'ba at Mecca) and some people prayed with him.Bukhari; vol.6, bk, no 13

As you read above here ,Muhammed intention or aim and that of his companion became revelation.The verses i want to quote now ,shows that, they have been worshiping Stone in Mecca before.

Narrated Abu Raja-Al Utaridi; We used to worship stones and when we found a better stone, than the firt one ,we would throw the first one and the latter, but if we could not get stone,then we would collect some earth (i.e soil) and then bring a sheep over it and milk that sheep over it and perform the tawaf around it.( Bukhari vol 5 bk,59 no 661 khan )
This what Muhammad introduced into his new religion ( Islam)

Lagoshia,nobody is compeling you to do his religion, everybody is free to choose. You have your heart with you.
One more thing, please ,stop threaten me.
IslamRe: Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah? by Ayomivic(op): 6:17pm On Jul 25, 2012
I detected annoyance in your post but you don't need to be angry with me, this is just a matter of explanation. It was what you said concerning Jesus that made me called you liar. You said "Satan SUCCEEDED IN TEMPTING Jesus" and later you said "Jeses TEMPTED BY SATAN " are there no differences in these two statement or sentences ? Satan can tempt anybody but he can not succeeded on everybody.

These is the proof you ask me to present.

Al- Qasim b. Al- Hasan- al-Husayn b. Daud-Hjja Abu mashar-Muhammad b.Kab al - Qurazi and Muhammed b.Qays: The messanger of God was sitting in a large gathering of Quraysh ,wishing that day that no revelation would come to him from God which could cause them to turn away from him .then God revealed

"By the stars, when it set, your comrade does not err, nor is he deceive

and the messanger of God recited it until he came to

Have you thought upon al- lat and al- uzza and manat, the third, the other ?

When Satan cast on his tongue two phrases;

" These are the high flying cranes, VERILY THEIR INTERCESSION IS TO BE DESIRE (176)

He uttered them and went on to complete the surah. When he prostrated himself at the end of surah, the whole company prostrated themselve with him. Al-walid b.Al- Mughivah raised some dust to his forehead and bowed over that, since he was very old man and could not prostrate himself. They were satified with what Muhammad had uttered and said, " we recongnize that it is God who give life and death, who create and who provides sustenance, but if these gods of ours intercede for us with him, and if you give them a share we are with you.

That evening Gabriel came to him and reviewed the surah with him, and when he reached the two phrases which Satan had cast upon his tongue he said " I did not bring you these two" then the messenger of God said " i have fabricated things against God and have imputed words which he has not spoken" then God revealed to him

" And they indeed strove hard to beguile you away from what we have revealed to you, that you should invent other than it against us...
to the words
" and then you would have found no helper against us"

He remained grief stricken and anxious until the revelation of the verses

" Never did we send a messanger or a prophet before you to the words...God is knower wise

when those who had emigrated to abyssinia heard that all people of Mecca accepted Islam, they returned to their clan, saying "they are more dear to us but they found that the people had reversed their decision when God cancelled what Satan cast upon the messenger of God's tongue.

This record were narrated by three or four people.They were
Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Sa'd, Al-Tabar,Ibn Taymiyyh,Bukhari.
I don't want to know if this can only find in Sunni book or Shia book or whatever, all i know is that Islam is Islam. When you quoted verses from Enoch book , did i disagree with you?

Now check here how Ka'ba became the worship direction for Muslims

Narrated Umar (bin Al Khattab) My lord agreed with me in three things ( I will give one of that things here)

1 .I said " O Allah's apostle , i wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place ( for some of our prayers) so came the divine inspiration: and take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer( for some of your prayers eg two Rakat or tawaf.

Narrated Al-Bara: the prophet prayed facing Bait-almaqdis ( i.e Jerusalem for sixteen or seventeen months but he wishes his Qibla would be the Ka'ba ( at Mecca) so ,Allah revealed (2: 144) and he offered Asr prayer in his mosque facing Ka'ba at Mecca) and some people prayed with him.Bukhari; vol.6, bk, no 13

As you read above here ,Muhammed intention or aim and that of his companion became revelation.The verses i want to quote now ,shows that, they have been worshiping Stone in Mecca before.

Narrated Abu Raja-Al Utaridi; We used to worship stones and when we found a better stone, than the firt one ,we would throw the first one and the latter, but if we could not get stone,then we would collect some earth (i.e soil) and then bring a sheep over it and milk that sheep over it and perform the tawaf around it.( Bukhari vol 5 bk,59 no 661 khan )
This what Muhammad introduced into his new religion ( Islam)

Lagoshia,nobody is compeling you to do his religion, everybody is free to choose. You have your heart with you.
One more thing, please ,stop threaten me.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Ayomivic(m): 8:59am On Jul 25, 2012
Goshen360: For instance, If I wish to select or highlight your text above, I will place my mouse right before "H" that started your statement above "How can I select or highlight word? I don't know how to do that." and without leaving or still holding the mouse click down, I will drag over or across the whole text until it changes to "blue" highlight as I perform the action and stop/drop the mouse click when I have selected/highlighted my desired text. I can now "Ctrl C" to copy, then "Ctrl V" to PASTE.

You wanna try it out? Give it a shot.
Thank you very much Goshen,the problem is that ,i an typing on phone.Please can i do all these on phone ?

Thank you once again for your responses on both posts .
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Ayomivic(m): 8:19pm On Jul 24, 2012
Goshen360: Hello Ay,

After you have finished typing your message. Look at the top extreme left of the typing area, you will the sign "B" (it's to bold your selected/highlighted words), Next after "B" is "I" (to italicize your highlighted or selected words), ..... at the extreme right, which is the with a drop box, you see "Change Color" in a rectangle box. After you select or highlight your words, you can click on "change color" to apply your color of choice. These are all text formatting tools to change your text or font face.

Sure this helps.
How can i select or highlight world ?I don't know how to do that.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Ayomivic(m): 7:11pm On Jul 24, 2012
JeSoul: So Manmustwac and I discussed and decided it'd be a good idea to have a thread where you can communicate freely with us. A few posters have remarked to me in the past that it'd be nice to have a way to reach us easily so here it is.

If you have any complaints/comments you'd like to keep private, feel free to use the "Report To Moderator" button to the right.
Happy posting.
pls, can anyone teach me how to refer someone to another site thread .
Christianity EtcIf There Is No God.... by Ayomivic(op): 12:38pm On Jul 24, 2012
If there is no God, ha ha ha, meny ugly things would happen.

I remember what i told my wife in one of our conversation. I told her, she wasn't need to worry on may be i would have clandestine affair outside.I let her know that, not because she was so pretty or beautiful or because i love her,if to talk of that, there are many beautiful and lovable girls outside. I have never seen the person that like eating one type of food alway. He will like changing it once in a while .Who does not like the feeling of the worm flesh of different girls? But, i would not do that, not beause of any other things but because my God had ordered me not to do that. I know the implication of sleeping around than any other person. I let her know that ,if i later have another girls outside, she must know that to be a bad sign in my life. It is a sign that shows that i don't fear God any more.

Who is me if there is no God ? What is good or logical about me if there is no God?
If there is no God, i won't be gentle as i am, not in a country like Nigeria ,where the politicians seated on country natural resurces and used the gain realizing from it to benefit their families alone. In a country Where the rich men oppressed the poor.

If there is no God ,i will do anything, i mean anything to be rich. Why would i be poor why some would have riches? We would raither share the one they have since we are all human being and all deserve good or we all be poor.

Glory be to God in the highest.His creation is slendid.His law is perfect.No one can be compared with our God. Thank you for your fear that is in me.
IslamRe: Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah? by Ayomivic(op): 8:47pm On Jul 23, 2012
Now, if God spoke to Moses that "i am Allah" and not to Mohammed, then the word "Allah" there would not be Allah in original records because Moses was not an Arab.I believe God would communicate with Moses in Hebrew. So, Muhammed uses his language "Allah" to communictae those verses to his people. This one is clear.

Why was it Immam Jalaludding (scholar) that wrote about Muhammed's father,why not Quran or Muhammed's apostles? What was the source of his finding?How can we believe him ?

You can not compare the cross with crescent moon and star.Christians believed that Jesus was crucified on cross that is the reason Christians were using cross to symbolize his crucifixion. Does muhammed go to moon, or why moon and star for the symbol ?

If the crescent moon and star wasn't used in Muhammed's life time ,why using it after him? why moon and star for a symbol and not other thing when moon believed to be chief god of ka'ba in pre-islamic time.When the pagans that were worshiping moon believed that the god -moon married the goddess -sun and gave birth to goddess- star.And in Bible God said,

"if there be found among you, within any of the gates which the lord thy God giveth thee, any man or woman,that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the lord thy God,in trangressing his convenant.And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them,either the SUN or MOON, or any of the host of heaven,which i have not commanded.And it be told thee,and thou hast heard of it and enquired diligently,and behold, it be true,and the thing certain,that abomination is wrought in Israel.Then shall thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing unto the gate,even that man or that woman,and shall stone them with stones,till day die.(Deut 17-2:5)

if muslims are going round the Ka'ba to commemorate Hagai. Do muslims think God will appreciate that? How many prophets commemorate Hagai by going round the ka'ba in their life time, as muslims did today?

By saying that satan succeeded on Jesus, shows that you are a lier.Jesus did not bow to satan ,nor did he turns stone to bread as Satan asks .Muhammed did not only think of those gods in his heart but he finally mentioned their names to be worshiped and he postrated to worship, together with pagans.

You said the satanic verses in Quran is not widely reported and that, they have proved it wrong.The true is that, the muslims want to correct this very big mistake made by Muhammed which can never be done.I am very sure,if the verses in question was favourable to muslims, they would widely report it. The disciples (Saa'be) that gave record of the favourable verses in Hadith, were they not the one that gave the records of the satanic verses that is not fafourable?

I have many questions to ask concerning this issue but let me first hear what you will say about this.
IslamRe: Why I Love Muslims by Ayomivic(m): 11:54am On Jul 22, 2012
tobechi20: I boarded a car from abuja to lafia on friday. .BY 1 :00, the driver packed and informed us that he was going to pray. We tried disuading him tellieg him that we were time conscious and promised him extra income to forget the prayer. He hissed, told us DA ISKA(dont know the meaning) and left the car only to come back 40 minutes later .

I was angry that day but i realy learnt something..,NOTHING CAN SAPERATE A MUSLIM FROM HIS GOD.

On another ocasion, i met an aboki man in themarket .i was standing watching him repair my calculator....by 1 pm, he dropped my calculator and ran off to mosque witout locking the shop.... I reminded him to lock d shop else his wares wil get stolen.. He replied, "make they steal."


An average muslim is wholeheartedly commited to his religion. They are ready to give up anything for Allah. They can kill their best friend in religious war.

CAN A CHRISTIAN DO THE SAME?? I doubt it

christians work on sunday and say "GOD WILL UNDERSAND"
Many christians dont go to church for fear of church bombing ....
and we call ourself CHRISTIANS ..
i wish we could have the zeal and dedication in our religion.
You are right, i remember one day, i went to see one of my friend at his home. At the front of their house, there was a alcohol seller there . That day, men about five in numbers were sitting on one bench ,they were having discussion over the bottles of alcohol.Suddenly, we heard calls for prayer, Allahuakibar...Immediately one of these men put down on floor his bottle of alcohol and left to mosque. The others were poke nose at him.They said "did he counts himself rightrous than us". After some munites, the man came back to finish his drink.
I don't know what muslims call the fear of God?The poster said "Muslim can kill in the name of their religion" that was the belief of Jews before Jesus came to correct it.They believed they have fear of God by killing sinners whereas, they themself are doing the worst in secret.So don't let us deceive ourself. The best way to love and worship God is by loving one and others .If you claim to love God but you hate others because they are not your religion counterpart or they are not your tribe iam telling you, you are just a pretender.God does not recongnize you. If like sleep every day in church or mosque, without love you are nothing.
IslamRe: Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah? by Ayomivic(op): 2:51am On Jul 22, 2012
LagosShia: Holy Quran 20:14
"Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise".


no.

aleehaa (aliha) and Aliyah (name of person meaning someone of high position) are not the same thing in both meaning,word and pronunciation.


Muhammad's (sa) father (ra) was not a pagan.he was Hanif.there is a tradition from the Prophet (sa) that the loin of a polytheist or an adulterer never carried him (in other words he never descended from polytheist/adulterer right up to Abraham a.s.).

yes people during the time before the birth of Prophet Muhammad (sa) were monotheists even though a small number of them.they were called "hanif".they followed the pathway and belief in One God (Allah) as the religion of Abraham and they were never polytheists nor bowed to idols.


Islam,the tradition of Abraham (as) and what Muhammad (sa) taught have nothing to do with those idols.in fact Prophet Muhammad (sa) destroyed all the 360 idols that were stored in the holy Ka'ba,which is a house of worship dedicated to Allah (swt) by Abraham and Ishmael (as) as even the arabians before Prophet Muhammad (sa) also believed.



God is not found in the Ka'ba and does not reside there.He is far exalted from being in that position.

please compare the facing of the Qiblah (prayer direction towards the Ka'bah) to what we also find in the bible:



Genesis 28:18
The next morning Jacob got up very early. He took the stone he had rested his head against, and he set it upright as a memorial pillar. Then he poured olive oil over it.

Genesis 35:14
Jacob set up a stone pillar to mark the place where God had spoken to him. Then he poured wine over it as an offering to God and anointed the pillar with olive oil.

Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

Jonah 2: 4-7
“Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet ‘I will look again’ toward thy holy temple…When my soul fainted within me I remembered Yahweh; and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.”

2 Chronicles 6:18-21
18 “But will God really dwell on earth with humans? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 19 Yet, LORD my God, give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence. 20 May your eyes be open toward this temple day and night, this place of which you said you would put your Name there. May you hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. 21 Hear the supplications of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place; and when you hear, forgive.

1 Kings 8:27-29
27 “But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 28 Yet give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy, LORD my God. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence this day. 29 May your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, this place of which you said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that you will hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place.

Isaiah 38:2
"Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD".

1 Kings 8:44-45
"When you command your people to go into battle against their enemies and they pray to you, wherever they are, facing this city which you have chosen and this Temple which I have built for you, listen to their prayers. Hear them in heaven and give them victory".


please see also: "Pilgrimage of Ezekiel to Mecca"
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ezekiel_pilgrimage.htm
I wanted to reply your post seperately as you did to mine but i just don't know how to do that.
You at last quoted verse where Allah said "iam Allah" .Will you please give the circumstance that warrant this statement.
Also, you said Muhammad's father was Hanif, which means he was a muslim too.Any evidence to prove this?
You said that Abraham and Ishmael dedicated Kahba to Allah ,the story that is not in Bible nor in Jewish book.Are you saying Kah'ba was built by Abraham and Ishmael? Were they goes round the Kah'ab in white, seven times during their life time and kiss the black stone as muslims use to do today.What will you say about the satanic verses in Quran,how can a prophet of God suggests the worshiping of another gods (Al-Lat,Al-Uzza and Manat) ? Do you know that prophet Muhammed deserved death for making such suggstion ?The God of Bible warned Israelite not to make metion the name of Strange gods in their mouth and that they should put to death the prophet or anybody that suggest worshiping of a strange gods.If Muhammed was a true prophet of Christians and Jews God, he would not make such mistake. Satan tempted Jesus but Jesus did not fail, for he knows whom he believes.
How will you explain the symbols of moon and star sits on top of mosques ,was it a commandment from God to put it there?
Read Genesis 20 : 4

Apart from the words or teaching borrowed from Bible to Quran, Islam or Muslims doctrine are total paganism.
IslamRe: Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah? by Ayomivic(op): 2:22pm On Jul 21, 2012
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LagosShia: Holy Quran 20:14
"Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise".

What circumstance warrant this statement?

no.

aleehaa (aliha) and Aliyah (name of person meaning someone of high position) are not the same thing in both meaning,word and pronunciation.


Muhammad's (sa) father (ra) was not a pagan.he was Hanif.there is a tradition from the Prophet (sa) that the loin of a polytheist or an adulterer never carried him (in other words he never descended from polytheist/adulterer right up to Abraham a.s.).

yes people during the time before the birth of Prophet Muhammad (sa) were monotheists even though a small number of them.they were called "hanif".they followed the pathway and belief in One God (Allah) as the religion of Abraham and they were never polytheists nor bowed to idols.


Islam,the tradition of Abraham (as) and what Muhammad (sa) taught have nothing to do with those idols.in fact Prophet Muhammad (sa) destroyed all the 360 idols that were stored in the holy Ka'ba,which is a house of worship dedicated to Allah (swt) by Abraham and Ishmael (as) as even the arabians before Prophet Muhammad (sa) also believed.



God is not found in the Ka'ba and does not reside there.He is far exalted from being in that position.

please compare the facing of the Qiblah (prayer direction towards the Ka'bah) to what we also find in the bible:



Genesis 28:18
The next morning Jacob got up very early. He took the stone he had rested his head against, and he set it upright as a memorial pillar. Then he poured olive oil over it.

Genesis 35:14
Jacob set up a stone pillar to mark the place where God had spoken to him. Then he poured wine over it as an offering to God and anointed the pillar with olive oil.

Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

Jonah 2: 4-7
“Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet ‘I will look again’ toward thy holy temple…When my soul fainted within me I remembered Yahweh; and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.”

2 Chronicles 6:18-21
18 “But will God really dwell on earth with humans? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 19 Yet, LORD my God, give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence. 20 May your eyes be open toward this temple day and night, this place of which you said you would put your Name there. May you hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. 21 Hear the supplications of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place; and when you hear, forgive.

1 Kings 8:27-29
27 “But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 28 Yet give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy, LORD my God. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence this day. 29 May your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, this place of which you said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that you will hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place.

Isaiah 38:2
"Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD".

1 Kings 8:44-45
"When you command your people to go into battle against their enemies and they pray to you, wherever they are, facing this city which you have chosen and this Temple which I have built for you, listen to their prayers. Hear them in heaven and give them victory".


please see also: "Pilgrimage of Ezekiel to Mecca"
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ezekiel_pilgrimage.htm
IslamRe: Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah? by Ayomivic(op): 9:25pm On Jul 19, 2012
LagosShia: ^

the name "Allah" is unique in arabic.it is neither a masculine noun nor a feminine.i have earlier presented you verses from the Holy Quran where He calls Himself 'Allah' and also He orders us to call Him 'Allah'.

as for the origin of the word itself'what is clear is that in semitic languages (arabic and hebrew and their aramaic mother language) 'EL' or 'Al'ia the root for the word 'Allah" or 'Elah' or 'Alah' (as it once appeared in the bible but was later on expunged).we thus read in the bible that when Jesus (as) was allegedly placed on the cross,he exclaimed: "Elah Lima Sabahtani".we also hear the christians exclaiming :"Alleluya".'Al' or 'El' is the root here and it refers to the Unique One Supreme Almighty Unseen Creator of all and everything.'Al-Lah' ('the-One-God') points out to that Unique One Supreme Almighty Unseen Creator in both meaning and name.

i hope this helps.if any question,please ask further.
It surely help but i did not see where God called himself Allah from the verses you said you presented. As you can see that the pronoun ("He"wink used by the speaker in those quoted verses was second person singular. The spreaker refered to him as Allah there, not that he says iam Allah. Hope that one is cleared?

Your explanation to the meaning of Allah was cleared. I have read the corrections you made too. Now, i can see that Allah is (God) illah and Aliah (are/ is pagans god or gods). Can we say that anybody that is call or name Aliah, her name means gods ?
Also, we all know that Muhammad's father was pagan,he worshiped one of idols that was inside kahabah then.The name of Muhammed's father was Abdul-lah or Abdul-lahi which mean SLAVE OF GOD since Al+Lah mean the-one-God according to your equation . Correct me if am wrong. If iam right,does it mean the people of Mecca had been worshiping one God before the time of Mohammed ?

Further more, it was known that, about 360 Idols were inside the Kahabah before the commencemet of Islam. Can we say that the Idols inside the kahabah were minimized to one know as Allah and rank so that,they can make it one and equivalent to Jew's God ?
Iam not assuming this, the reason i said this is that,Muslims all over the word still bow down toward this Kahabah five times a day to worship. Muslims (unlike Christians and Jews) can not face any direction to worship except this direction. Some went to Mecca, clad in white and went round the Kahabah seven good times.What make Muslims different to pagans? Does God resides inside Kahabah or God throne in heaven is upon the Kahabah ?

All the above reasons, are parts of what makes Christians God differents to Muslims Allah.
IslamRe: Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah? by Ayomivic(op): 12:42pm On Jul 19, 2012
tbaba1234: The whole Quran is authored by Allah. It is the speech of Allah

I am Allah; there is no god but Me. So worship Me and keep up the prayer so that you remember Me. (Surah 20:14)

You partially answer my question. Pls what is the meaning of Allah?
tbaba1234: The whole Quran is authored by Allah. It is the speech of Allah

I am Allah; there is no god but Me. So worship Me and keep up the prayer so that you remember Me. (Surah 20:14)
tbaba1234: The whole Quran is authored by Allah. It is the speech of Allah

I am Allah; there is no god but Me. So worship Me and keep up the prayer so that you remember Me. (Surah 20:14)
IslamRe: Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah? by Ayomivic(op): 11:59am On Jul 19, 2012
LagosShia: but why shouldn't "jehovah's organization",the watchtower,which claims a direct telephone line to Jehovah,with countless endtime prophecies both that have come NOT to pass and the remaining ones they are hanging around the necks of witnesses with the fear of armageddon (intimidation),their obligatory order for every witness to preach door to door with official record keeping of the number of hours preached,and their claim to be the "only true religion",cannot reveal the true pronunciation of God's "name"?that is the same "name" they bluff about and use to convert others,when infact they themselves do not know the correct pronunciation.so much for confusion and deception and tricks.the jews themselves who own the hebrew language in which the 4 letters appear have decided not to give themselves headache with its pronunciation while "jehovah's witnesses" have made a religion out of 4 letters they themselves cannot pronounce correctly and at the same time claim to be the only "true religion" with contact with Jehovah.how is that possible?are we not talking about a man-made imagination formed into a religion here?

why keep playing the game of try and error with God's "name" by injecting vowels into a four letter word and end up rendering it into different words? is that not confusion?

as for the names of Jesus and Joshua,the only difference is the "J" and the "Y".the europeans have a taste for making the "Y" into a "J".aside from that their names are neither obscure nor confused with so many words or rendered into so many words and not knowing which one is the right one to pronounce.
I have read all your posts but nor of it answer my question. I was'nt ask you the true name of God, i did not ask whether the Jeohvah witness are right or wrong, i did not ask you the meaning of yahweh nor the pronouciation of it.

We all know that gods is General names of deities but we used "God" (capital "G"wink to clearify that we are refering to monothesit.This word 'god' can be said in different languages but mean the same thing .For instance Olorun in Yoruba is the same to god in English. Pagans also call their deities gods.
Apart from this general name,they must still call him the real name they gave hin or he give to him self,example Ogun you know some Yorubas know Ogun to be god but his real name is Ogun either they gave it to him or he gave it to himself.

We know Allah to be God. Do the word Allah have the same meaning as general god? Or its a name given to himself as God of Bible or Isreal gave himself JEHOVAH and El- SHADDAI or Somebody gave him, as Hagar gave him EL-ROI.Genesis 16:13

All i need is for you to say, he called himself Allah or Allah is arab meanig of the God or he was called Allah by someone and quote a verse to support your answer, simple.
IslamRe: Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah? by Ayomivic(op): 10:54pm On Jul 18, 2012
tbaba1234: Hi.

1. If yahweh is the name of the creator of the unique, indivisible creator of the heavens and the earth, Then yes they are the same thing. To Allah belongs many beautiful names.

2. Say, ‘He is Allah the One, 2 Allah the eternal. 3 He begot no one nor
was He begotten. 4 No one is comparable to Him.’ (Surah 112)
I understood the answer you gave to first question but you have not answered the second question.Let me use this Bible verse as an example so that you can understand my question very well.

And God spake unto Moses,and said unto hin iam the LORD: And i appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob,by the name of God Almighty, but by the name JEHOVAH was i not know to them. Exodus 6:2-3

here God called himself JEHOVAH not that they called him.

the second question i asked that you did not answer well is this. Is there any verse in Quran where God called himself Allah as he did in the verse i quoted above? In other words, how come the name Allah? I hope you understand my question now?

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