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annajess: itsThe words of God is an holy Spirit. Check this from bible. Which were born,not of blood,nor of the will of the flesh,nor of the will of man, but of God. And word was made flesh ,and dwells among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father) full of grace and truth. John 1:13-14 Jesus had been in existence before coming to earth. So God transfered him to the woman womb by word. Remember God created heaven and earth through word. Let be and there is. |
IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD? This question had caused a lot of controvercy between the two most world popular religions, Islam and Christiatianity. Muslims said that Jesus is not son of God beause nobody gives birth to God and he did not give birth to anybody. He (God) has no wife no children. True to their words, there is not a verse in bible that talked about God having wife of or father a son like people of the earth do. If this is correct, then how does Jesus be the son of God ? In the bible, Jesus said said he had being before he comes to the world. Let read little verses in the bible where he said this. For i came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:38 Not that any man had seen the father, save he with is of God, he hath seen the father. John 6: 46 Your father Abraham rejoiced to sef wy day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the jew unto him, thou art not yet fifty years old, and and hath thou seen Abraham? Jesus said to them verily verily ,i say unto you before Abraham was , i am. Then took the stones to cast at him but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple,going through the misdst of them, and so passed by.John 8: 56-59. Another verse "And he said unto them, how say they that Christ is David's son? And David him self said in the book of Psalm, the lord said unto my lord, sit thou on my right hand,till i made thine enemies the footstool. David therefore called him lord, how is then his son ? The two point we can hold from the verses above are these. Firstly he said he come from heaven and secondly he said he had being before Abraham. All these mean Jesus had been in heaven before. Jesus was also call the son of God when alive and he did not rebuke it. When he asked his disciples that whom did people call the son of man,they answered him saying some say that thou art John the baptist; some, Elisa, and other Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He say unto them, but how say ye that iam? And Simon Peter anstered and said, thou art the ,the son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him,bless art thou Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it to you,bv my father which is in heaven.Matt 16:13- 17. The evil spirit also confessed him to be son's of God before he was sent out by Jesus in the gospel of Mark 5:1-7.There are many verses to back it but let limit it here . If Jesus was called the son of God and he did not rebuke it, is he not truely son of God ? If he is, then in what way ? The Angels were called many names in Bible among that names is son of God.Let see verses where they are called son's of God in Bible. And it come to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughter where born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughter of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.Genesis 6: 2 The sons of God here refers to Angels. Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themself before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. Job 2 I think the two verses have answered and solve our problem. If Jesus were in heaven as he said, then he would be with angels and if Angels were called sons of God i think it does not excluded Jesus.Therefore Jesus is son of God.The book of Daniel also tells us how Jesus was anointed in heaven and given power let read. I saw in the night visions,and behold, one like the son of man came with the clouds of heaven and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all people, nationsh and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Daniel 7; 13 -14. Jesus also said we christians not to call anybody father Call no man father upon the earth, for one is your father, which is in heaven. Matt 23: 9 the verse above should stand as my evidence to prove because as Jesus said we should call God our ,do that mean God mary our mother and begat or born us? No. It merely significed the God's love towards us. He created us and provides for our needs, gave us rain, sun ,breeze and instructed us what to do and what not to do. He is our God and also our father. We are his (God) creature and his children. May God count us worthy to enter his kingdom (Amen) |
IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD? This question had caused a lot of controvercy between the two most world popular religions, Islam and Christiatianity. Muslims said that Jesus is not son of God beause nobody gives birth to God and he did not give birth to anybody. He (God) has no wife no children. True to their words, there is not a verse in bible that talked about God having wife or father a son like people of the earth do. If this is correct, then how does Jesus be the son of God ? In the bible, Jesus said he had been existence before he comes to the world. Let read little verses in the bible where he said this. For i came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:38 Not that any man had seen the father, save he with is of God, he hath seen the father. John 6: 46 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the jew unto him, thou art not yet fifty years old, and hath thou seen Abraham ? Jesus said to them verily verily ,i say unto you before Abraham was , i am . Then took the stones to cast at him but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple,going through the misdst of them, and so passed by.John 8: 56-59. Another verse "And he said unto them, how say they that Christ is David's son? And David him self said in the book of Psalm, the lord said unto my lord, sit thou on my right hand, till i made thine enemies the footstool. If David therefore called him Lord, how is then his son ? The two point we can hold from the verses above are these. Firstly, he said he come from heaven and secondly he said he had being before Abraham. All these mean Jesus had being in heaven before. Jesus was also call the son of God when alive and he did not rebuke it. When he asked his disciples that whom did people call the son of man,they answered him saying some say that thou art John the baptist; some, Elisa, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He say unto them, but how say ye that iam? And Simon Peter answered and said, thou art the son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him,bless art thou Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it to you,but my father which is in heaven.Matt 16:13- 17. The evil spirit also confessed him to be son's of God before he was sent out by Jesus in the gospel of Mark 5:1-7.There are many verses to back it but let limit it here the lenght of this thread. If Jesus was called the son of God and he did not rebuke it, is he not truely son of God ? If he is, then in what way ? The Angels were called many names in Bible amongs that names is sons of God. Let see verses where they are called sons of God in Bible. And it come to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughter where born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughter of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Genesis 6: 2 The sons of God here refers to Angels. Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themself before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. Job 2 I think the two verses have answered and solve our problem. If Jesus were in heaven as he said, then he would be with angels and if Angels were called sons of God i think it does not excluded Jesus. Therefore Jesus is son of God . The book of Daniel also tells us how Jesus was anointed in heaven and given power let read. I saw in the night visions,and behold, one like the son of man came with the clouds of heaven and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all people, nations and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Daniel 7; 13 -14. Jesus also said we christians should not to call anybody father on earth Call no man father upon the earth, for one is your father, which is in heaven. Matt 23: 9 the verse above should stand as my evidence to prove because as Jesus said we should call God our father , do that mean God mary our mother and beget or born us? No. It merely significed the God's love towards us. He created us and provides for our needs, gave us rain, sun ,breeze and instructed us what to do and what not to do as father to sons. He is our God and also our father. We are his (God) creature and his children. May God count us worthy to enter his kingdom (Amen) |
Glory be to your holy name,father. |
nawaforweo: I advise you all to read the full link before commentingAre you a follower of christ or follower of the pastors you made metion in your post? If the the whole world says they are no longer Christian, my friend, i will remain christian in Jesus name.You are free to choose your religion. But the true is that you hear about Jesus. |
oluface: Read what you wrote yourself brother.. If your post has make any sence to the OP..Uncle i had answered your question in the topic you post title CHRISTIANITY IS FALSE RELIGION. May be you should go back there and read, it is you that need to reply me Am sorry, who tells you God will asked about the name of your religion when you get to heaven? Christians are not know by name but by attitudes. Christians must live by observing the words that comes out from Jesus christ's , that is what make them christian. For instance, let use what Jesus teachs on revenge as example. In the OT,Exodus 21:24 God told Moses and judges to give life for life,eyes for eye,tooth for tooth, hand for hand,foot for foot,burning for burning,wound for wound,tripe for tripe. What did Jesus says concerning this? In the gosple of Matt 5:38 Jesus said "You have heard that it has been said eye for eye and a tooth for tooth but i say unto you,that you resist not evil.... Islamic sect (B H ) bombed THIS DAY News Paper office, with accusation that they insulted their prophet,Muhammed in year 2009. Is that what make Muslims submissive/surrender to allah or what do you call the meaning of Muslim? The priest of Catholic Church they bombed, said they forgive them (as Jesus said to those that nailed him to cross. Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing) and they did not rise to revenge.This is what make Christians to be Christians not the name of religion. Can your Muslims brothers do this? Never. Even though, God said it in the book of leviticus 19: 18 that, " Thou shall not avenge nor bear any grudge against the children of your people,but thou shall love the neighbour as yourself.Iam the lord " Muslims knew this they can quote it from their Quran but they can never put it in pratice. Asked Muslims that who is your brothers? they will tell you, Muslim is the brother of Muslims any others religions are enemies.Notwithstanding, they can behead their Muslim brother if he rejects or do not suport killing of Innocent people. |
olasesi: it will be very unreasonable......If you can answer these then i will answer your questio n 1 was it true that Jesus came to earth ? 2 was he a true prophet sent by most high God? 3 what purpose did he comes to the earth for ? 4 what gospel did Jesus preach when on earth ? You can answer according to your Quran. |
[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]My ancestors and my contemporaries are not magicians who played tricks to fool people. They only knew how to influence the spiritual forces and used it in times of necessity, e.g., a drought, famine, barreness(fertility rites), etc. They were/are just simple people involved in agriculture and hunting. My ancestors worshipped the Spiritual forces through the creations, i.e., through nature. since that is the only medium through which we can sense the forces and maintain a link to the Gods. we do not have a concept of satan so i dont know what you are ranting about. [/quote]Where is your God and the spiritual forces you are talking about? How did they originate.What about the magic your ancentors was using to disapear and overtune their enemies cars or hung the pregnace of their foe? |
[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]free-thinking has nothing to do with religion or atheism. it is just a state of mind. no you see, you never understand Paganism. Paganism is infinite. we were ever growing. why else do you think Pagan scholars in Ancient Rome, Egypt, China and India wrote so many treatises because they were ever expanding. the Pythagorean cult, etc. our religion is infinite. the same gos for the quest for truth. .why are you intent upon forcing someone elses father down my throat i already have a father. i dont need a murderer/cheat/liar/magician as a substitute. [/quote]Your pagan ancentors are they not magicians? Their thinking facuties are worst like yours.Can you imagine that your so call ancentors worshiped stone,tree etc.Things that can not talk or walk like you what a pity. You are here claming you are not Christian or Muslim.Let me tell you your true identity,you are Satan's worshiper or from where did your ancentor get their magics ? |
[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]yes it is well-known ( though people refuse to admit it), that we pagan first started the concept of Religion. since then, the later monotheistic Jews (after moses) and christians and muslims have corrupted the very idea of religion, in turn, feeding the relative growth of atheism in recent years. christianity is a worser form of judaism.[/quote]And atheism worser form of pagan. I can't laugh in English. |
Jenwitemi: That is fast becoming a well known INFO, bro, that Christianity is a false religion. They can't even prove the existence of their Jesus who looks more like a composite character syncretized from many different and older pagan mythical figures of worship. |
[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]why shouldnt I. it is my birthright! He is the sworn enemy of my religion. he indirectly killed many Africans. he mentally and physically enslaved my people. i spit on him. that gay she-male. [/quote]ahahahaha,you are just like someone who get angry and started cursing his father for correcting and punishing his sibling for wrong doing .We you beat your father? Think wise you don't own yourself. |
oluface: Do you know the meaning of Muslim?pls, tell us |
oluface: Quote me wrong if you can...Mr man, you know the true but you have chose lies to console yourself. We all know that God did not tell any prophet that this is my religion right from the beginning of world. After Adam and Evil had been sent out of the garden of Eden and people are mutipling on the face of earth,they started chosing their gods. People that were woshiped the one true God were few. God wants his people to know him and to worship him instead of fake gods they are woshiping. To achive this God called Abraham from his pagan land so that he can teach him his statutes and ordinance ,so that him and his decendant would know how to woship one God and through them,spread it to the world which was later acomplished by Jesus Christ. God chose Israel as his nation Exodus 7: 6 .He called them his first born and he promised them that, if they would obey his voice and keep his convenant,then they shall be a peculiar tressure unto God above all people for all the earth is mine and they shall be unto God the khngdom of priests, and an holy nation Exodus 19 :4-7. During this time there was no paticular name given to them as name of their religion.They are not Jews nor Islam or Christian. They worshiped God by folloing his Law, commandment and by offering animals as a sacrifice and atonement of their sins if they committed sins that are not lead to death.The other nations knows them as Israelite,Hebrew. Israel consists twelve chidren of Jacob.They were later became twelve tribes of Israel.These tribes later divided during the reigns of King David into two Judea and Israel. The ten tribes out of twelve were call Isreal and the other two were called Judea.The later reconciled but after the death of king Solomon,Rehobam became king and they divided again 1 king 12 :1-20 Most of Judeas' kings did what is right in the sight of God unlike Israel' kings who alway did evil. After the Israel had been taken to exile they called Judeas people Jews and people called their religion jewish religion till today God did not say they should name their religion to be Jews If you said Jesus Christ was not Christians you are right because the disciples are called Christians after the death of Jesus Christ for the people saw Christ in their lives.God did not call or name them Christians and Christians knew this. Muslims are the liers, they said Muslims/Islams means total submission to God by this the said all the prophets include Jesus are Muslim . The idea behind this is just like that of Tortoise and his coleagues that went for occassion and they were asking their names one after the other ,when they asked about Tortoise name he said his name is ALL OF YOU and if they bring food and says for all of you Tortoise would claims ownership of it. Muslims also used the world MUSLIM/ISLAM to claims all the prophets to their religion. Muslims are fake. Let Muslims tell me, are they all submissive to God ? All the disciples of Jesus christ who totally surrender their lives for God, who did not value their lives for the sake of kingdom of God ,are they Muslims also? Are the Muslims saying their are not rightrous christians who surrender/submissive to God ? If they want to talk about following the ancients religion of Isreal, that God gave to them through Moses in which Muslims accused christians of been corrupted. Are they themself following them. If Yes, how many times have you made atonement for your sins this year according to law? How many times have you used animal to make sacrifice to God this years as Abraham and others did ?You have not done these But you can open your mouth to insult Jesus who relieved you of these. Muslims are liers, i am sorry to say. I have posted this before in Muslims section they know the truth but they will never follow it. |
It is true many pastors had currupted their ways with the issue of tithe .They use the tithes for their personer benefit.The shepherd surpose to feed the sheep but today they are feeding themself.With this, they have made themself extremly rich. They have left the work of God ,they are after their stomach. My brethen, if we say we are not going to pay tithe again then what have we done to help or assist the widows, orphans, poor and the needy around us. Are we calling the poor lazy or pity their condition? Let us try today to help somebody if we can not pay tithe for this is acceptable to God. No matter how faith you have, without this you are empty barren.As it was written that 'faith without work is dead' likewise, nobody can see God without holiness. In doing this there are secret to unlock the wealth. Read what Job did that made him rich and that make God love him more . In Job 29 : 12 -25. Let us combine holiness with good work . |
Pls, what are the evidence that shows that prophet Muhammed is greater than Jesus Christ? I had been hearing from Muslims that on the day of judgment prophet Muhammed will be the one to plead for the world. So, iam asking if there are evidence that show how greater Prohet Muhammed is to Jesu Christ? |
Pls the poster should explaine better how muhammed is mercy to the world ? How did he shed blood for the world ? |
[b][/b][/i] buzugee: for God so loved the worldIam the living which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever and the bread that i will give is my flesh which i will give for the life of the world[i] buzugee: for God so loved the worldIam the living which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever and the bread that i will give is my flesh which i will give for the life of the world buzugee: for God so loved the worldIam the living which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever and the bread that i will give is my flesh which i will give for the life of the world John 6:51 |
solidbroda: common man...imagine if you were a muslim, wont you think the xhe millions tians are wrong like sumone statEd above? look at billions of people who had died before the spread of christianity n co, will they go to hell? if they do, is that true love?God is God,we can not change that we can not rebel against him.As a man we may think the way you did but do we had solution? The only solution we have is to follow his law,do what he want, how he will do his judgement is in his hand but let us do our best to please him .I think tha is only thing we can do so that we would not committ crime upon crime. |
Jenwitemi: In what form will the occupants of hell will burn eternally in hell? In physical form or in the spiritual form? Some christians say that hell is in spiritual realm. If that is the case, will human beings who go there burn in their physical form or in their spirit form?I think you don't want to feel that, no matter how it burn. Let do what God demand of us and avoid hell. |
buzugee: you are supposed to follow the law as stated in old testament. all jesus did is die for the israelites so that the law can be made available to the heathens. THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN IS TO FOLLOW THE LORDS COMMANDMENTS ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 13. AND IF YOU BREAK THE COMMANDS YOU WILL RECIEVE PUNISHMENT GALATIANS 6 VS 7. ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE. THATS WHY THERE IS SO MUCH VIOLENCE AND FAMINE AND PESTILENCE IN THE WORLD. THATS THE LORD PAYING PEOPLE BACK FOR THE LAWS THEY ARE BREAKING. 2 ESDRAS 16 VS 19 Behold, famine and plague, tribulation and anguish, are sent as scourges for amendment.Are you saying there is no repentance ?Are you saying every sin we committed before we no christ and after we know christ but sorry of and forake are not forgiven? I understand what you are saying. Nobody says the law is useless, every human being muust obey the law but there is mercy for anybody if we go against the law.The mercy is through the atonement of Jesus blood. that was why he was born of virgin Marry for the ram used in atonement of sin in OT must not have blemish only Jesus blood did not have blemish for he did not share in the sin of Adam and Eve that every mankind shared.By Jesus atonement where not saying we are free to committ sins or to forsake the law. But there is an oppotunity for us to rise if we fall into the law. Even ,on the law it self God had reduced the power of law as a mercy for every human being through Jesus Christ. We dont need to kill our brother or sister because of his or her sin as it was in law .If we we did we had sent him to hell but God offer chance through Jesus that was the reason the bible say there is joy over the sinners that repent . So, If there is not forgiveness there would not be repentance. If you reget the salvation of Jesus then you must follow every thing that was written in the law include ofèring o ram for atonement any time you sin. I have been written book on this for over a year for God had given insight for this if not because of space i would have explained this better but know this Jesus die for whole world. |
I think what cofused Buzugee is word atonement and forgive.Atonement with means amendment. And amend means to make things look god,to make it normal again after spoil and forgiveness mean to stop angry at something In this issue of atonement Jesus did two things he amends the law eg he forbid killing as speculated by law that some sin lead to death. secondly he makes God forgives our sin through his atonement with his blood. If we committ sins and we repent by sorry in our heart for that sin and we promised not to do it again that sin as been forgiven us God will not angry with us over that sin. Only the sin we committ without repentance will be hold against us.This mercy was given to us by God through the atonement of Jesus blood. If you read the law very well there are sins that lead to death ,the other sin that do not lead to death will require atonemet. if you make atonement for your sin that sin had been forgiven you. If you committ another sin againg that do not lead to death you have to go through that process every time you committed the sin that do not lead to death.Read leviticus 5: 1- 13,Leviticus 16: 20, leviticus 6: 1-7 But Jesus died once for the atonement of world include Israelite.Through his death we did not take ram or cow,or turtledove to priest for atonement.If any one say Jesus did not die for him that peson need to be atoned for any sin he committed and he did not all the sins he committed withov atonement will be held against him.God did this to show mercy to the world and to relieve them of the burden of the law. Therefor our sins are forgiving any time we repent from them. As you know that in the law if you make atonement for your sins that dose not give you chance to continue in that sin. |
Buzugee ,what you are saying is Wrong. If Jesus did not die for the sin of the world but that of Israelite what then concern the world with the law of Israelite or are there any verse in OT that say these law is for the world? Why did God call Abraham out of his father land? If Jesus did not die for the sin of world then repentance means nothing according to OT Law or there are any verses in OT that offer repentance without atonement? If Jesus did forgive our sin why are we not follow the law exactly, as it speculated in the OT? If we say Jesus forgive us our sin , it does not mean that we are free to committ any sin. What it imply is that,through Jesus Christ ,we obtain unlimited mercy from God. The burden of law is reducing,there is chance for repentance that is rare in OT. Jesus was sent to Israelite and to the world. When he was alive,he could not go beyond Israel because he had not atone for the sin of world.Even when he sent out the disciples to preach he order them not to go to the city of gentile but the city of Israel. Immidiately he acomplished his mission he order them to preach to the whole world. Jesus was given to the whole world not to the Israelite alone. Right from beginning God has plan for the world not for the Israel alone.That was the reason he called Abraham out of his father land. God makes Israelite a holy land and the city of kings and prophets as a rewards for Abraham obedient but God plan was fulfilled in Jesus christ because through Jesus one God, the creator was made know to the world. What God did for Abraham was a reciprocal,he order Abraham to walk before him with means Abraham can only do what God wishes not what Abraham wishes.Through Abraham God want to set his law for all the world and in part of God to reward Abraham God bless him and his decendant Israel. The book of Daniel 7: 13-14 tells us about the power God had given to Jesus over all nations and the book of Isiah 53: 1- 12 also tells us that Jesus die for our sin and he was still pleading for our transgressin. with means we can rise no matter how many times we fall but if we die in sin unrepent,we will be punished for our sin for we had made Jesus sercrifices useless. Through repentace and forsaking of sin we shows obediece to God. |
Goshen360: Hello Ay,thanks, i hope it will help. |
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logicboy: You scared of me?Are you not an athiest? |
JeSoul: So Manmustwac and I discussed and decided it'd be a good idea to have a thread where you can communicate freely with us. A few posters have remarked to me in the past that it'd be nice to have a way to reach us easily so here it is.Hi, Please, how can i add color or make my post bold? |
I think muslim are liar,why did they claimed that Deteronomy 18:15 ("the lord the God will raise up unto thee a prophet from the midst of the,of the brethen,like unto me ,unto him ye shall hearken"1) is refering to prophet Muhammed when the Quran recorded that Jesus is the messiah, the messanger of God/allah? |
pDude: Please give us some names Gaddemit!Why did you forget to metion logicboy? Put his name there sharp sharp pls.Don't let his charm work on you. |
....this would av been the greatest miracle of the bible..........but it missed it.
[/quote]Where is your God and the spiritual forces you are talking about? How did they originate.
because they were ever expanding. the Pythagorean cult, etc. our religion is infinite. the same gos for the quest for truth. .
[/quote]Your pagan ancentors are they not magicians? Their thinking facuties are worst like yours.Can you imagine that your so call ancentors worshiped stone,tree etc.Things that can not talk or walk like you what a pity.
[/quote]ahahahaha,you are just like someone who get angry and started cursing his father for correcting and punishing his sibling for wrong doing .We you beat your father? Think wise you don't own yourself.
