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GoldNiagara:
Abyssus abyssum invocat in voce cataractarum tuarum; omnes gurgites tui et fluctus tui super me transierunt.

Deep calls to deep in the voice of your waterfalls: all your whirlpools and waves have passed over me.

hmmm the wizard is just too awesome.

hmmm only the deep can call to the deep indeed.

can you kindly put the source sir?

brocab:
Are you listening to yourself?
Firstly you would rather pray through Mary and Peter, before you consider to pray to Him 'the Father.
And what you have failed to do, time and time again, is prove these theories of yours-that, you claim and believe, is written in the bible.
But beware-if it isn't written in the bible-then you baba are spreading a false doctrine.

from the beginning anybody reading this thread knows that I have supported all my claims with different Bible verses and not even a scripture outside of it but each time you guys either dodge, insult , and twist .

One thing you cannot take away is the divine motherhood of Mary . If God Himself honors Mary , whatever you say is irrelevant. Those who call Mary dead, dog, sinner, and all sorts of names can't be part of the generations calling Her Blessed(Luke1:48).

Allow God to judge us poor sinners as we have never claimed to be saints .

Matthew 25:31-46 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) Jesus Will Judge the World 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 The people of every nation will be gathered in front of him. He will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right but the goats on his left. 34 “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, my Father has blessed you! Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me into your home. 36 I needed clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you took care of me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’ 37 “Then the people who have God’s approval will reply to him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you or see you thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you as a stranger and take you into our homes or see you in need of clothes and give you something to wear? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 “The king will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you did for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you did for me.’ 41 “Then the king will say to those on his left, ‘Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels! 42 I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me into your homes. I needed clothes, and you didn’t give me anything to wear. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t take care of me.’ 44 “They, too, will ask, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or as a stranger or in need of clothes or sick or in prison and didn’t help you?’ 45 “He will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you failed to do for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you failed to do for me.’ 46 “These people will go away into eternal punishment, but those with God’s approval will go into eternal life.”

brocab:
Just by Praying to Mary-is insulting to God. Where is your respect to the living God. He saves, He glorifies, He even loves, and still you don't respect Him, nor His Son Jesus.
You treat them both second best, while in your eye's, Mary and the saints retrieves the reward.

The body of Christ is one ,so when we pray to God through Mary or St Peter ,whatever they loose on earth or heaven , God approves and there is nothing like anybody retreiving the reward. The greatest honor to Mary is God allowing Her to give birth to and nurturing Him ,and Her divine motherhood is eternal. Those who cannot come to terms with this mystery should allow God judge us for won't everyone stand before God to give account of his/her life?

johnw74:
u r mr confusion himself, i remember my first dog of about 63 years ago, but i don't pray to him

So Mother of God is now a Dog ,what more disrespect do you have?

johnw74:
u have got nothing at all,
u can not support your doctrines from the Bible
and that is why u falsely accuse bro, but then u r just taking after your god in doing that

telling the truth concerning mary is not disrespecting her
but when u lie u r just speaking naturally, like your father the devil does

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


and yes by their fruits you will know them, they will pray to people,
they will pray before statues and paintings and so many etc's

thank you ,if you can insult the mother of God ,who am I?

brocab:
You ask who are the dead-you are" dead in spirit-you haven't the slightest idea, about anything the bible has to offer.
Since you have this crazy idea, Mr Catholic-Mary and the saints are living fleshly beings, just like we are on earth, I will go next door and ask Mary the Mother of God-Queen of Heaven and of course the saints for some sugar, while I am over there, I might as well witness to them about Jesus, and ask them over for a bible study, and I pray none of them are Catholic-and hopefully we could pray together, all in the name of Jesus.

It is obvious you don't believe in Jesus even though you flaunt His name, so how would not you disrespect the Mother of God? Thank you for the insults. By their fruits ye shall know them.

brocab:
Brother you understood baba's question?
What is the confusion? What can't baba understand? It's simple, we pray to the Father, Jesus prays for us, and Jesus said pray for one another.
Baba's idea of prayer is unbiblical, baba prays "To" Mary or baba's begging Mary "To" pray for baba.
If babe was to pray for Mary-it still would have been unbiblical, Mary's dead, followed by the saints.
{Ecclesiastes 9:5} For the living know that they will die, But the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

so you don't believe Jesus ? don't be confused. I hope you know that Mary mother of God must be remembered by all generations (luke 1: 48)and so she is ever living ?

I repeat Jesus the final authority in Mat 22: 32-33
… 31 But concerning the
resurrection of the dead, have you
not read what God said to you:
32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the
God of Isaac, and the God of
Jacob?’ He is not the God of the
dead, but of the living.”

brocab:
But it still doesn't give us reason to pray "TO or For" the dead. God is the God of the living, God isn't the God of the dead
Mary no-longer has flesh and blood, Mary and the saints are in Spirit with the Lord.
{Hebrews 13:8} Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
{John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God.
We pray to the living-God is living..He is God, who is, who was, and who is to come.

so who is the dead here , even after it has been established that He is God of the living and that holy people are ever living member of the Christ body on earth and in heaven?

Mr Pentecostal is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Mary Mother still alive in Christ?
So has Transition changed the divine gift of these holy persons to pray for us even when Revelation tells us that the elders,angels and saints in heaven still pray to God?

johnw74:
your posts to brocab are not clear, but i will make two points

1.there is a diffrence between praying for people and praying to people, such as mary
praying for people is good, praying to people(who cannot hear you) is stupid but more importantly it is unbibical
Christians pray only to God, not to people who have died, as rc's do

2.bro is right, begging Mary to pray to God for us is unscriptural, that is: it is unbibical

to we Christians there is nothing like death with the body of Christ ,and this mystery would continue to confound Sadducees and Pharisees .


In Math 22: 31-32 Jesus told the Sadducees thus
… 31 But concerning the
resurrection of the dead, have you
not read what God said to you:
32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the
God of Isaac, and the God of
Jacob?’ He is not the God of the
dead, but of the living.” So was Abraham, Isaac and Jacob on earth when Jesus said that?

Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners .....

orenteasa:
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Bostin:
Thank you

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pardon?

brocab:
Maybe if you read the scriptures yourself instead of relying on me, to answer them for you-you would have the answers, or maybe you are trying to trick me in your craftiness.
{Hebrews 1:6-9} Explains who Christ is: God said: to Jesus, Your Throne O 'God will last forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your Kingdom, You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness, Therefore God" You God, has anointed you. With all oil of gladness, more then Your companions.
.{Matthew 1:23} Behold the Virgin shall be with Child, and shall bring forth a Son, and they call Him Emmanuel which means God with us.

1.The Lord's prayer you quoted to counter my pointing out the Christian tradition of praying for each other when I " holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners". True or false?
2 . You said begging Mary to pray to God for us is unscriptural and that the only biblical prayer is the Lord's prayer.
3. Since we must obey scriptural commandments according to, and since we all pray to Jesus whereas He has given us a prayer formula. So please Mr Pentecostal stop dodging and being crafty by just quoting for us where Jesus said " pray to me Jesus " in the Lords prayer.

brocab:
In Jesus name-I for one-don't pray the Lords prayer on the street corners.
The Lord said: go into your room and pray to the Father who art in Heaven.
It is the Pharisees-that were heard for their many words on the street corners, and you are the Catholic's modern day Pharisees, as we all know it.
{Matthew 28:18-20}Jesus said: all authority on Heaven and on Earth had been given to Me-then Jesus told His disciples-to go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey or that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of this age.
If this is what you call standing on street corners-witnessing to people about Christ-then you need to obey the commandments the Lord had given you.
And in Jesus name we pray to the Father who art in Heaven.

you want us to be robotic - what you called ' obeying commandments', no problem. Just quote me for me in that prayer where Jesus said " pray to me Jesus" .

brocab:
{Matthew 6:9-13}
Jesus said: pray like this.
Our Father in Heaven,
Hallowed be your name.
Your Kingdom come,
your will be done,
on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil.

tell the world that you Pentecostals don't pray to Jesus, that you don't stand in public places to pray as against Christ advice. Quote from the Lord's prayer where Jesus said" pray to me; stand in public places to pray". Very simple ,and stop dodging now that you need to be really scriptural.

For the benefit of others after truth, I present below Jesus admonition on how to pray:



Matthew 6:5-15 New International
Version (NIV)
Prayer
5 “And when you pray, do not be
like the hypocrites, for they love
to pray standing in the
synagogues and on the street
corners to be seen by others.
Truly I tell you, they have received
their reward in full. 6 But when
you pray, go into your room, close
the door and pray to your Father,
who is unseen. Then your Father,
who sees what is done in secret,
will reward you. 7 And when you
pray, do not keep on babbling like
pagans, for they think they will be
heard because of their many
words. 8 Do not be like them, for
your Father knows what you need
before you ask him.
9 “This, then, is how you should
pray:
“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10
your kingdom come,

brocab:
Our Father in Heaven Hallowed be thy name-your Kingdom come, that will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
This is the prayer, the Lord asked us to focus on.
Why call yourselves Christian-when you know, your prayer is unscriptural.
Read it again.

answer my question

Anasko:
Kwankwaso is our choice come 2019!!!

Allah kiyayee!!!

mtchew!

brocab:
Our Father in Heaven Hallowed be thy name-your Kingdom come, that will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
This is the prayer, the Lord asked us to focus on.
Why call yourselves Christian-when you know, your prayer is unscriptural.

Mr scripture ,show us in the Lord's prayer you quoted above where Jesus mentioned" pray to me Jesus" , or "pray in the public places while standing on your feet" ? ... but we pray to Jesus ,and we don't think God -ever merciful -would condemn to hell those who pray on their feet in public places because we understand the mysteries of Christianity which maybe strange to some persons and non Christians the same way it is difficult for non Catholics to understand Holy Mary's mother of God and intercessory divine status , or why a St Peter can loose or bind anything on earth and in heaven since he is not God; or why Christ would use in his parable the example of Samaritans and not Pharisees to drive home his message of love and brotherhood ; or why Jesus would drink and wine with sinners , or what He was saying by 'John baptised you with water but i will baptise with fire and spirit' , or what Cornelius would imply by ' this is water( not stream or a River Jordan) baptise me or what are you waiting for" ; or from where Lazarus was brought back to life after been dead for days when it has been said" after death judgement".
Let God judge us poor sinners ,Mr Pentecostal.

johnw74:
u pray to others in Heaven to pray to God for u, and u call that praying to God directly



duh, praying "for people", is diffrent to praying "to people", oh blind one

Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners .....

brocab:
Praying to saints in heaven has no biblical base, the bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray-to heavenly saints.
[Hebrews 4:16} Tells us we believers on Earth can approach the throne of Grace with confidence.
Which means we don't need the saints in heaven to pray for us-we can go straight to God ourselves.
We know you Catholic's argue over the fact-praying to the saints is no-different then praying to someone living on Earth.
So I am happy to give you, your answer-praying to heavenly saints isn't biblical...

We believe in one God Almighty and pray to Him alone directly ,through our clergy and congregation or through the holy people in heaven .

in your futile efforts at destroying Christianity's 2000years + history , seemed you forgot you uttered these words below not long ago?



y brocab: 10:59am
Jesus said pray for one another.
{James 5:15-16} And the prayer
offered in faith will restore the
sick. The Lord will raise him up, if
he had sinned, he will be forgiven.
Therefore confess your sins to
each other, and pray for each
other, so that you may be healed,
the prayer of a righteous man has
great power to prevail..

brocab:
Jesus said pray for one another.
{James 5:15-16} And the prayer offered in faith will restore the sick. The Lord will raise him up, if he had sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other, and pray for each other, so that you may be healed, the prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail..
Did you understand these verses? Ask those in Church to pray for you-if you are sick-ask your neighbour-friends-Church to pray in Jesus name! Not one verse that is written in the bible-we are to ask Mary to pray for us-nor do we ask Mary in prayer to heal the sick.

So holy people in heaven are not part of the church?

brocab:
Are all Catholic's confused-or is it just you?
Really if you haven't the slightest idea-how God the Father had connected to Abram, then you need to read a bible.
The Question you should be asking yourself is, how did Abraham hear God's voice-without the "Torah" without the "Koran" or without the "Bible" it really shows Abram was Spirit filled-and Abraham knew how to connect to God.
This really tells the story why Jesus-came to save, Jesus had given us away, to have that same personal relationship with Him, just like Abraham had.
Listen it doesn't matter how many times, I have written to you about bible truth-your heart is far from it, and I am not expecting you to understand this information-this sort of knowledge-is to far advanced for your mental state of mind.
So please: if you are going to write-at least write something that sounds you have some sort of knowledge.

God talks to all manner of persons irrespective of creeds ,tongue and place in everyday and everyway : through holy writings, prophets,or directly. He is a universal love that cannot be appropriated by any group whose existence is so recent and has benefited from the synthetic evolution of different cultures and efforts in man's movement towards God. Right now, God is deliberately sending babies to be born in different homes with different tongues,color and creed.

johnw74:
u have been blinded, those in Heaven talk with God, is not the same as those on earth praying to those in heaven, Christians pray to God, to the Holy Spirit inside them, heretics pray to anyone.

but your pastors ,mortals, can intercede or pray for you, but ever living holy persons in heavens can't pray for us poor sinners ? What hypocrisy!

We Catholics know that holy people in heaven pray to God most merciful.
For example , Rev 5:8 we are told that
"elders [the leaders of
the people of God in heaven] fell
down before the Lamb, each
holding a harp, and with golden
bowls full of incense, which are
the prayers of the saints" . Apart from saints in heaven,angels too
offer prayers to God as shown in
Rev 8: 3-4: "[An]
angel came and stood at the altar
with a golden censer;
and he was given much incense to
mingle with the prayers of all the
saints upon the golden altar
before the throne; and the smoke
of the incense rose with the
prayers of the saints from the
hand of the angel before
God"
Since holy persons are ever alive and righteous, we believe that we can direct our prayers to God through them when we say " pray for us" .

Since Mary is the mother of God highly favored who was filled with the holy spirit, gave birth God in man and was present at the day of pentecost , and consequently in heaven it is right that we beg her to pray for us sinners.

brocab:
Abraham believed God-Abraham believed God in righteousness-the written Word of God was laid upon the heart of Abraham, because Abraham believed God-Abraham received the promise, because Abraham believed the invisible God, The book was written in the heart of Abraham. And Abraham knew God.
Moses also believed God-Moses was given the 10 commandment's because of the hardening of the people's hearts.

what bible did Abraham read before God revealed Himself to him? None.

brocab:
Again you aren't listening-God calls us into His kingdom-when the Spirit of God calls us-we believe, Moses believed, Abraham believed, the disciples believed and Mary believed, we all believe.
You have no idea-the written Word of God is written in all those who have chosen to believe, to have the Spirit of God come upon you-is something "no-one can explain-but man we know the differences it makes.
The bible is given to us, as a tool used to guild us, to learn more, about our Father in Heaven.

what written word did they read before they believed? werent the Pharisees reading the scriptures but didn't Christ expose their hypocrisy? Christ is the word of God.

johnw74:
u don't believ the bible and say it is blasphemous,
and yet u think u r a Christian, now that's confusion with a capital C.


God told us-humans not to kill, so obey Him.

God told Israel to kill those in the land that He had given them, He is God-not human, so obey Him,

I would obey God, u baba would not,
but then u r only christian in name.

"Moses gave you the laws because of the hardiness of your hearts" , .... ..but because you hate the truth you prefer to stick to Daesh.