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johnw74:
baba, U obviously r not reading the articles i post which would show u how u r being fooled,
but the choice is yours to make, heaven or the lake of fire:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

and the book is in your hands....please help me check my granny's name Mr God.

johnw74:
u don't believ the bible and say it is blasphemous,
and yet u think u r a Christian, now that's confusion with a capital C.


God told us-humans not to kill, so obey Him.

God told Israel to kill those in the land that He had given them, He is God-not human, so obey Him,

I would obey God, u baba would not,
but then u r only christian in name.

what a fanatical contraction! ...even when Jesus has spoken? Christian indeed.

johnw74:
baba, more on rcc and Mary



Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing?


No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is--God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines; and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian. What are those doctrines? The Bible tells us. Let's take a look.

There is only one God, and you are to serve no other gods (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8}.
Jesus is both God and man (John 1:1, 14; 8:24; Col. 2:9; 1 John 4:1-4).
Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; 1 Cor. 15:14).
Salvation is by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 3:1-2; 5:1-4).
The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus according to the scriptures (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:8-9).
God is a Trinity (Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 13:14).
Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:25).

So, someone who is a true Christian will believe these things and not violate them. Roman Catholicism violates two of them (#1 and #4). First of all, by its practice of promoting Mary (and the Saints) to the level of God-like capabilities, they break the commandment to have no other gods before the true and living God. In Roman Catholicism, they say that Mary is the mediatrix (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 969); Mary made atonement for the sins of man (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, page 213); Mary is the subject of preaching and worship (Vatican Council II, p. 420); etc.

Also, Catholicism violates the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone. Paul the apostle, for example, tells us in Romans 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." But Roman Catholicism denies that and says, " . . . so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments," (CCC, par 2068). Also, consider this:

"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema" (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).

So, even though Roman Catholicism claims to be Christian and that it is the one true church, it violates the essentials of the Christian faith. It goes beyond what is written in God's word (1 Cor. 4:6). It denies the sole and true sovereignty of the living God by promoting prayer to and the worship of Mary. Also, it denies justification by faith alone in Christ alone. It is not a Christian church.

by Matt Slick
Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing?

allow God to judge us but I tell you for 2000 years no gate of Hades has prevailed against the church as Christ predicted.

brocab:
{Hebrews 11:24-26} Moses chose to believed God. {Exodus 20} Moses received the 10 commandments.
Abraham received the promise. {Romans 4:16} {Genesis 15:6} Abram believed in the Lord, and he counted to Him for righteousness.
This is how we all come to know the invisible God-God calls us into His kingdom. Let us not get carried away with ourselves-but think about it-were you called into the kingdom of God? Or did you just come-because your priest gave your parents permission?

what book did Abraham,the father of faith read, before he received the promise of God? Absolutely none. Has that God changed? not at all.
Did Moses read any scriptures before God chose him too?

johnw74:
more lies from lying baba, post where I said that confusion,
that confusion is typically yours



Deuteronomy 7:1-2

God tells Israel to destroy the people in the land that He has given them

I agree with whatever God says, but you baba say God is wrong or the Bible is wrong, or both,
do u know what u r saying? it doesn't look like it oh confused one

the same God says thou shall not kill? didn't he say those who kill by sword will die by sword? don't contradict Him please. God is not the same as the Bible ; it's blasphemous.

johnw74:
Bro knows u won't go to Heaven when you don't agree with God, as in: His telling Israel to kill those in the land that He has given them.

And bro knows that u won't go to heaven when u don't believe God's inspired word.

How is it u don't believe the Bible but u use it when it suits u,
thats what false jw and other cults and sects do as well.

the same way Daesh claim God sent them to go unleash terror on the world. That bokoharam Christianity. But the word of God ,Jesus, says whatever you sow,you shall reap.

brocab:
If you don't believe God is speaking to us through the bible-then of course God isn't speaking through you Catholic's at all..

you hate the truth.

mtchew ,gutter talk!!!

nice unlike those who sabotaged our military and said stealing is not corruption.

President in waiting ,Owelle of Nigeria has spoken, ipobs can go to hell.

johnw74:
Christ is the author and finisher of the "one faith", not of multible faiths, which leaves the rcc and other churches of heresy, cults and sects etc. out


Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit. In the same way you were called to share one hope.
Eph 4:5 There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

there is one body(the True Church) who r those who pray to God, and not to idols and others, u r not part of it
there is one Spirit, who lives in the body's of True Bible believers, u do not have Him
there is one hope, the hope of salvation through Faith in the Christ of the Bible, u do not have it
there is one Lord, the Lord of all the Father have given Him, He is not your Lord
there is one faith, the faith given by God to believers through knowing the true Christ
there is one baptism, it is by immersion for the true Church(body of Christ) and not by sprinkling of water as with some pagans

Not even Christ love most merciful would say that " He is not your Lord" . Hmmmm by their fruits you shall know them.

brocab:
Well the bible is the Word of God-so you work it out?
Haven't you heard? {Matthew 24:35} Jesus said: Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away.
{John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God-every time we read the bible we are Hearing God speaking to us.
So yes" God speaking to us-is the same as Jesus speaking to us. Don't you believe Jesus when He Said: I and the Father are One.
Do you believe in the Trinity-not because the Trinity Word isn't written in the bible-as a Catholic-do you personally believe, In the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One' in all?

The Catholic doctrine of Trinity is the foundation of Christianity: you tamper with that, you destroy Christianity.


Don't be fanatical. In the Bible, God spoke and men spoke. In men's claims were errors ,biases and misrepresentations especially in the Old testament hence the need for the word of God to come in flesh in Jesus. God does not contradict Himself but men do or else how do you explain " an eye for an eye" and Christ doctrine of " turning the other cheek", and many Phariseessical practices claiming God ordained them?

brocab:
I myself agree with you Bro-the Catholic's are fooling themselves-thinking they will see Heaven-the Word tells us one must be born again-before he will enter into the kingdom of God-the Lord also teaches us-we will know them by their fruit.
And plus-everybody that becomes a true born again believer-doesn't worship after another-never sets themselves up, to fall backwards into any other denomination.
Jesus said: He knows His own.
{John 10:14} I Am the Good Shepherd, I know My Sheep, and My sheep know Me.
{John 10:27} My Sheep know My voice, and My Sheep follow Me.
{John 13:1} Jesus had knowing His own, who were in the world.
And the scriptures keep on coming, but do the Catholic's truly believe?
"No"

Jesus, the word of God, said in Mathew 8:3-
“Truly I tell
you, He said, “unless you change
and become like little children, you
will never enter the kingdom of
heaven. ,"


Sorry, Mr Pentecostal you don't hold the visa to heaven ,only God knows who goes.

johnw74:
I never wrote anything supporting Sharia and Daesh,
but lying and accusing comes naturally to you baba,

my support was only for God and anything He has said and done:



u baba, said deut 1:1-17 was about the killing of innocent women and children,
u r confused continually, oh lying accuser

But you said those whose murder the Torah claimed were God ordained should be killed .

It was a typo error , it was Deuteronomy 7:1-2 and other verses where Humans murdered in the name of God.



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Deuteronomy, chapter 7
1: "When the LORD your God
brings you into the land which
you are entering to take
possession of it, and clears away
many nations before you, the
Hittites, the Gir'gashites, the
Amorites, the Canaanites, the
Per'izzites, the Hivites, and the
Jeb'usites, seven nations greater
and mightier than yourselves,
2: and when the LORD your God
gives them over to you, and you
defeat them; then you must utterly
destroy them; you shall make no
covenant with them, and show no
mercy to them.

johnw74:
Is there the killing of innocent women and children in Deut 1:1-17?
or is this your continual confusion?
is anyone innocent except the Lord Jesus Christ?
don't we all have sin passed down from Adam and Eve?

If God told whoever to kill all the women and children wherever,
then what God say's is correct.

u baba don't believe God's inspired Holy Scriptures,
and u baba put yourself above God by implying he was wrong, or that His Inspired scriptures are wrong.

u obviously don't believe the Bible or God, but you believe the uninspired rcc teachings and men.

it is obvious you don't know this religion, its history and evolution and the opportunity for redemption as brought by our Lord Jesus Christ.

God does not change and does not contradict Himself . He is the same today ,yesterday and tomorrow. Hence Christ said Moses (exigencies not God) gave you the laws e .g the stoning of women to death-sharia-because of the hardiness of your hearts.

By what you wrote above supporting Sharia and Daesh, it is obvious the religion you practice which is quite opposite Christ (the word of God) teaching of Love.

johnw74:
The bible was written by men by inspiration of God:
2Ti_3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:



i c, God inspired mistakes in the Holy Scriptures,
u haven't a clue.
But deliberate changes have been made since then, in the nwt for one,
and then there are others who go against the message of the Bible such as rcc who pray to Mary and others,
and who say that Mary a human is divinity.



u abas say the Word of God was made, and was made after the torah
it's amazing watching the confusion of u Bible haters



Is someone trying to replace Jesus with the Bible?



The Holy scriptures were once not called the Bible, so what does that matter?
today we call the Holy, God Inspired Scriptures, The Bible

including the killing of innocent women and children e.g deut1: 1-17?

johnw74:
how is that in answer to my post?

in your bid to unleash hade on the rock- the catholic church ,you went to some funny history on how the Catholic church borrowed the Mary mother concept from the Egyptian myths ,and said there are so many Christian and world concepts taken from Egypt : the concept of 1 God, the idea of son of God, raising of Jesus and Moses in Egypt and even the birthing of the New Testament by St Augustine in Egypt and many more . So what are you saying?

johnw74:

Ha ha, now don't go trying to teach us the Bible, u know little about it

The Word of God here is: God the Word who became the man Jesus Christ
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word of God here is: the Holy scriptures-the Bible:
Luk_4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.





u c that bro, there is no word Bible in the Bible, so what does that mean, that it doesn't exist? baba a bit 2 confused

in short are you saying the bible is the same as Jesus?

brocab:
Again the written Word of God-Haven't you not read about Abraham-nor Moses in the bible?
Jesus quote scriptures all the time-and Jesus's Spirit the Holy Spirit-gave the disciples the written Word of God, to write down, on the old manuscripts, found centuries later and translated into a book, and it is called the bible.
Don't you remember-the Catholic Church informing you with this information?

what Bible did Abraham read or scriptures that Moses read before God revealed Himself to them?
Quote any portion of the bible to disprove me as you wont to.

Salvation comes through Lord Jesus not through any scripture . Jesus is the word and not the Torah or anybody's impression about God including politics and biases.

Jesus is the ultimate despite all the inspired books.

Truth must be told nomater how bitter ,Jesus said " you were told of old an eye for eye " - meaning it is written in your scripture - but " I am telling you now No, turn the other cheek" .

Same thing played out when the crowd practicing sharia wanted to stone the adulterous woman to death while flaunting the scriptural law from Moses which was clearly biased against women but Jesus said No , and said ' Moses gave you the laws according to the hardiness of your hearts ' after upbraiding them about sin and all left in their shame.
.

Jesus said when I go, I will send you the holy spirit to guide you on all I have thought you , and not to go and read the Torah.

Paul too said if the old was perfect ,there would nt have been need for the Good News.

Christ is the perfect word of God: the author and finisher of our faiths.

johnw74:
So u don't believe the Bible is God's inspired word ,u believe the Bible doctrines are mostly Egypt influenced and not God inspired.

No wonder your have pagan beliefs of praying to people who have died etc.

the bible contains some words of God. and God is still speaking to men. what book did Moses or Abraham read before God spoke to them?

johnw74:

Ha ha, now don't go trying to teach us the Bible, u know little about it

The Word of God here is: God the Word who became the man Jesus Christ
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word of God here is: the Holy scriptures-the Bible:
Luk_4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.





u c that bro, there is no word Bible in the Bible, so what does that mean, that it doesn't exist? baba a bit 2 confused

The bible was written by men and consists of the old testament and the new testament and by implication Judaism and Christianity . So it contains Jewish history, mistakes, inspirations ,biases and God's intervention etc Jesus is the word of God made long after the Torah had been in use. No amount of deifying the Bible can replace Jesus the word of God.

As at the time Jesus talked in Luke 4:4 there was no book called the Bible. And John was clear by saying that' the word was made flesh'. it is clear enough.
The is a collection of holy scriptures which has been subjected to different reviews by men.

johnw74:
Ha ha a lot of lip service passed down by men-church but all false
read again the accurate history posted.

baba, u r still running away from the issues here: "praying to Mary", "divinity of Mary", "not posting scriptures asked for", and u keep changing the subject,

back with more truth for u later

you know nothing about this religion and I'm here to upgrade you.

Catholics pray to God through Mary and the saints.

In math 6:5-6 Jesus said when we pray ,we should go inside our house and say ' our father' and no where did he mention that we should pray to Jesus or say ' in the mighty name of Jesus' as we do in public places of worship presently. So does that mean we are all doomed to hell for exercising Christian initiave knowing that the Son and the Father are now one?
Please , let stop all these religious politics.

brocab:
How do we know it wasn't God that guilded the Catholic Church-because God is the God of the Living-He isn't the God of the dead.
The world already knows the Catholic Church carries on with standard paganism-a Church that show signs of sin, everything the Church stands for-is truly against God.

be specific and coherent pls.

brocab:
God has Judge you-but if you aren't willing to become a born again believer, how the Word of God tells us to be-then God had already Judge you.

Mr God ,mr judge. U know nothing about being born again. It is not some exclusive clubs meant for some privileged to be flaunt at some poor folks but God alone knows who qualifies.
The word of God is Jesus and not the Bible. John1:1-1.
From Genesis to Revelation there is no word like Bible. pls try and learn .

why is the thugnor tactically campaigning for Oni?

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The Jonathan years are wasted years- Gov. Seriake Dickson.

PDP is a nest of killers-Prof Wole Soyinka.

Boko Haram are our brothers- former PDP chairman, Bamanga Tukur.

Stealing is not Corruption- Goodluck Jonathan, PDP president.


We will make this country ungovernable- a PDP chieftain.

PDP is equal KANU Nnamdi ipob's fraudulent agitation- Peter Obi of PDP.

johnw74:
(3) Most Roman emperors (and citizens) were henotheists. A henotheist is one who believes in the existence of many gods, but focuses primarily on one particular god or considers one particular god supreme over the other gods. For example, the Roman god Jupiter was supreme over the Roman pantheon of gods. Roman sailors were often worshippers of Neptune, the god of the oceans. When the Catholic Church absorbed Roman paganism, it simply replaced the pantheon of gods with the saints. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these, and many other categories. Just as many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, so the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for the cities.

(4) The supremacy of the Roman bishop (the papacy) was created with the support of the Roman emperors. With the city of Rome being the center of government for the Roman Empire, and with the Roman emperors living in Rome, the city of Rome rose to prominence in all facets of life. Constantine (AD 272–337) and his successors gave their support to the bishop of Rome as the supreme ruler of the church. Of course, it is best for the unity of the Roman Empire that the government and state religion be centralized. While most other bishops (and Christians) resisted the idea of the Roman bishop being supreme, the Roman bishop eventually rose to supremacy, due to the power and influence of the Roman emperors. When the Western half of the Roman Empire collapsed in 476, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus. Pope Gregory I, ruling from 590–604, is usually considered the first bishop to truly wield papal authority.

Many more examples could be given. These four should suffice in demonstrating the origin of the Catholic Church. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology and “church tradition.” Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture.

The origin of the Catholic Church is the tragic compromise of Christianity with the pagan religions that surrounded it. Instead of proclaiming the gospel and converting the pagans, the Catholic Church “Christianized” the pagan religions, and “paganized” Christianity. By blurring the differences and erasing the distinctions, yes, the Catholic Church made itself attractive to the people of the Roman Empire. One result was the Catholic Church becoming the supreme religion in the Roman world for centuries. However, another result was the most dominant form of Christianity apostatizing from the true gospel of Jesus Christ and the true proclamation of God’s Word.

Second Timothy 4:3–4 declares, “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

earlier on this thread while employing foul words Mr Pentecostal,you quoted Leviticus where Moses gave the " thou shall not worship another God" law to the ignorant Jews unlike we poor Catholics that we so much rever God that we beg holy people and saints to help pray to Him despite all our numerous direct communion with the most merciful universal Father.

The same unpredictable Lord told Moses to adopt what modern pharisees would term paganism to promote the faith in Him , like using the ash of burnt heifer for cleanliness Num19:16-18, or the raising of the bronze snake which has great significance with Christ crucifixion as shown in the verse below:

Just as Moses lifted up the snake
in the wilderness, so the Son of
Man must be lifted up,
John 3:15
that everyone who believes in Him
may have eternal life.

So how do you know it wasnt God that guided the Catholic church?

Do you really understand?

johnw74:
Constantine found that, with the Roman Empire being so vast, expansive, and diverse, not everyone would agree to forsake his or her religious beliefs to embrace Christianity. So, Constantine allowed, and even promoted, the “Christianization” of pagan beliefs. Completely pagan and utterly unbiblical beliefs were given new “Christian” identities. Some clear examples of this are as follows:

(1) The Cult of Isis, an Egyptian mother-goddess religion, was absorbed into Christianity by replacing Isis with Mary. Many of the titles that were used for Isis, such as “Queen of Heaven,” “Mother of God,” and theotokos (“God-bearer”) were attached to Mary. Mary was given an exalted role in the Christian faith, far beyond what the Bible ascribes to her, in order to attract Isis worshippers to a faith they would not otherwise embrace. Many temples to Isis were, in fact, converted into temples dedicated to Mary. The first clear hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship.

(2) Mithraism was a religion in the Roman Empire in the 1st through 5th centuries AD. It was very popular among the Romans, especially among Roman soldiers, and was possibly the religion of several Roman emperors. While Mithraism was never given “official” status in the Roman Empire, it was the de facto official religion until Constantine and succeeding Roman emperors replaced Mithraism with Christianity. One of the key features of Mithraism was a sacrificial meal, which involved eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a bull. Mithras, the god of Mithraism, was “present” in the flesh and blood of the bull, and when consumed, granted salvation to those who partook of the sacrificial meal (this is known as theophagy, the eating of one’s god). Mithraism also had seven “sacraments,” making the similarities between Mithraism and Roman Catholicism too many to ignore. Church leaders after Constantine found an easy substitute for the sacrificial meal of Mithraism in the concept of the Lord’s Supper/Christian communion. Even before Constantine, some early Christians had begun to attach mysticism to the Lord’s Supper, rejecting the biblical concept of a simple and worshipful remembrance of Christ’s death and shed blood. The Romanization of the Lord’s Supper made the transition to a sacrificial consumption of Jesus Christ, now known as the Catholic Mass/Eucharist, complete.

most world beliefs and biblical doctrines have Egypt influences- from Moses to Jesus. A pharaoh birth the idea of 1 God long before Christianity so know that; Christ Jesus was taken to Egypt for safekeep from Herod and grew up there; Moses was raised in the court of Pharaoh; the new testament was birth by St Augustine in Egypt, and so many instances including the foundation of christainity -concept of Sol or son of God.

All these are not important to Christians but how to imbibe the beautiful doctrine of love as preached by our Lord Jesus Christ.

johnw74:
Stop just saying things that u were taught, and pick up your Bible to see if they are true

The Rock is Jesus Christ, not Peter, and certainly not the rcc:

Look Here





What is the origin of the Roman Catholic Church?

Answer: The Roman Catholic Church contends that its origin is the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ in approximately AD 30. The Catholic Church proclaims itself to be the church that Jesus Christ died for, the church that was established and built by the apostles. Is that the true origin of the Catholic Church? On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

when the Catholic church has done the real difficult work marrying it with managing both the political and social realities of the different influences and consequently subsequently preserving the scriptures and the Christian traditions from which the bible was compiled, including reclaiming Jerusalem, Spain etc it is very easy for you children to deny the 2000years journey of your parent- the Catholic church that inherited the Apostolic mandate.

The Bible didn't jump from heaven but has history and has been review ed where certain books were deliberately removed for reasons best known to the church fathers at the different church councils. So how do you condemn the doctrine of Mary when you know nothing about it? So because the church councils are not recorded in the Bible means they are satanic?

The only Christian organization in the world that has the largest original collections of Christian scriptures, traditions and history even long before the printing technology and Bible was birth is the Catholic church and there is nothing any of you can do about it. Sorry.

brocab:
All we believers are trying to show you-is the creator God retrieves all the glory, we are trying to show you-to find any truth-you must read your dusty old bibles, it's the Catholic Church who claims it was they, the Church began with Peter, but yet if this is true-then why does the Catholic's preach another doctrine, Peter walked with Jesus-and he would know the in's and out's, what Jesus spoke off.
{Acts 3:6} Then Peter said: silver and gold I do not have-but what I do have, I give you-In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.
This is the Peter we believers know off-this isn't the Peter the Catholic Church rest upon, If Peter was the author of the Catholic Church-then one would think the Church would follow after Peter-and do the things Peter done.
He laid His hands on the sick-the blind now see, and Peter raised the dead {Acts 9:36-42}
Is this not the Church we would expect to see? Wouldn't we want to have these same gifts Peter had from God-wouldn't we become born again believers just like Peter was-and all the other apostles-like Mary-when the Holy Spirit fell upon them at Pentecost.
{Acts 2:2-6} Then suddenly there came a sound from Heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the hole house where they were sitting, then there appeared to them divied tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
It seems the Catholic Church don't baptise any of you-with the Holy Spirit-listen to what Paul says in {Acts 19:1-7} And it happened while Apollos was in Corinth, that Paul, having passed through, the upper region, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples He said: to them, did you received the Holy Spirit when you believed?
{Did the Catholic's received the Holy Spirit after Baptism-of course not-because you were all babies at the time, and at that time, none of you believed.}
{V 2} So they said: to Paul, we have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit", And he said to them, "into what than were you baptised? So they said: into John's baptism..
Then Paul said: John indeed baptized with the Baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him, who would come after him, that is on Jesus Christ".
When they heard this, they were Baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, and when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit come upon them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
This is why it is important to be like Peter-He was truly filled with the Holy Spirit-no man in the flesh can do such Miracles, without having the Holy Spirit. Mary carried the Spirit of God with her-she was filled with the Holy Spirit-she like Peter and the rest of the disciples were filled, and even today more and more are being filled with the Holy Spirit-spreading the gospel, where the disciples left off, this is a question I would be asking the Church, why doesn't the Catholic Church teach on these important issues?
Peter and Mary didn't need to pray through anybody else-being filled with the Holy Spirit they could pray directly to the Father's throne room.

after 2000 years of leading the Crusade, no gate of hades has prevailed against the Rock: the Catholic church despite all the challenges . That history you cant wish away . And stop wasting your time on assumptions and stop feeling like God. Those who worship God do in truth and spirit and only God knows who qualifies.

Go to uncharted terrains e.g Afghanistan to preach the gospel not to Catholics who have paved the way. Let God judge us.

PMB as long as clueless is presented.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



No, I think you're right- he was looking for proof of Life-After-Death.

It was in some newspaper article at the time.

The point is, these so-called "BENEVOLENT SPIRITUAL GUIDES" always take one's LIFE as "PAYMENT" for their services, which include anything, except the REALLY IMPORTANT KNOWLEDGE- such as, HOW TO SEE THROUGH FALSE VISIONS, and HOW TO REGENERATE THE BODY.

MOST PEOPLE, WHEN THEIR BODIES DIE, LOSE THEIR SOULS, TOO.

Every creature that dies gets an automatic TEST, which is compulsory: they have to render their Life Memories, on-the-spot,

If they can do that, they are allowed to deploy their AfterLife Spirit Energy Body, and continue to their AfterLife Fate.

If they cannot, the memories are extracted by force, which critically damages the Soul Body, so that it cannot deploy.

Evil beings then set upon the stricken Soul Body, and tear it apart, in the process of scavenging its last Life Energies.

Visions that people have of Angels coming for them, Goldren Cities and such, are Projections to destroy their Will to Resist, or Focus, and SEE what is really happening. Debris from these operations seem to be used to create artificial CROWN CHAKRAS, which facilitate their siphoning Spirit Energy from the Living on a family basis. If they do not do this, our Energy accumulates to the point where our Spiritual Powers comne back on line.

They make deals with Humans, promising "Power," when all they are doing is refraining from stealing it.

Discipline makes our Energies unpalatable to them, so they leave us alone, so it accumulates.

If they wait long enough, the Human who doesn't know what they are doing, will Break Disciple, and "spoil" their Energies, allowing them to harvest it all again. Thus hapoenstance can leave a person injured, deranged, comatose, or dead.

Those who survive the Death Test generally wind up in some prison- which probably looks like something else- which bleeds off their Spirit Enrgies, merely by being used, and feeds them to the Makers of those Prisons, helping to keep them alive, because they cannot tap into the LifeStream as normal creatures can, but depend on Secondhand Spirit Energies.

These Creatures are deathly afraid some Human will figure this out, and do what needs to be done to stop them, for once and for all. This was the Original Purpose of the Hebrew Religion.

oh I do not know about all that sir but I'm sure the Soul an attribute of God does not die.