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shdemidemi:
Bro, you are mixing noodles with okro you will purge o.

Goshen360:
@ italo, so you are a sickler because you fall sick?
I can't stop laughing over here.... .
I know this kind of subject is bigger than some people and they will struggle to handle it....

McSterling:
... God Bless Joe Pesci.
Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!
(Copyright 1999 by George Carlin. Printed without permission.)
http://www.objectivethought.com/atheism/carlin.html

BabaGnoni:
so what is the faith Adam did not depart from then bro?
What exactly is/was this faith?. Hmm?
Also apart from God earlier guaranteeing so, Adam eating the fruit or Adam disobeying God, why did Adam die?

shdemidemi:
The only faith you can associate with Adam is that he heard from God and he believed what he heard.

Adam died because he disobeyed. He acted against what he knew.

CANTICLES:
My Brother, according to your original post .... Its clear the hebrew scriptures said Yahweh will judge the world !! But since Act 17:31 has explained that Yahweh will be the judge , but he will do it through a man he has appointed , whom is Christ . ..... I PERCEIVE THIS IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES ,

Yahweh prophesied in Isaiah 11:1 " and there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jesse; .......... And Upon him the spirit of Yahweh must settle down , and he Will Not Judge by any mere appearance to his eyes , and with righteousness he must judge the lowly ones of the earth " - Isa 11: 1-5

Hiswordxray:
I'm sorry if you think am insulting you but in just trying to point you to your foolishness.
So Peter and James who were taught by Jesus himself preached what they know but it was different from what this same Jesus taught Paul.

Wow! Why is Jesus contradicting himself?
Why did he taught Peter and James the wrong gospel or didn't Peter and James teach what Jesus taught them?

shdemidemi:
Good for you bro.. I will be needing s'thing to gobble real soon.

shdemidemi:
Hope you didn't choke though, I need to keep reading from you o..please

shdemidemi:
We don win jokes

shdemidemi:
Adam did not depart from faith bro, he disobeyed and he got the ramification of his action.

Disobedience today is when you don't accept Christ or believe His gospel.
Once you obey you get a new spirit that can never die

shdemidemi:
Baba G, Can I disobey without losing faith?
1 Tim 2
15 But women will be saved through childbearing,[c] assuming they continue to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty.

This is an example of where you don't play the flip side card. Well, faith here does not mean trust, it means 'trust-worthiness'/fidelity.

BabaGnoni:
https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif
ROTBL at the bold above

shdemidemi:
@Bidam

I so hate you this morning , sometimes you just get me confused.
Is it like there is a multi ownership of your moniker or what?

You don talk true today, I respect it but hmm, the way you take a U-turn sometimes.

shdemidemi:
Baba G, Can I disobey without losing faith?
1 Tim 2
15 But women will be saved through childbearing,[c] assuming they continue to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty.

This is an example of where you don't play the flip side card. Well, faith here does not mean trust, it means 'trust-worthiness'/fidelity.

paxonel:
ahahahaahaaa, bros


how many times did christian mentioned in the bible?
name does not matter, what matter is that, there is Christianity now.

Jesus founded Christianity for men, not for himself, christians are men.
all the parables of Jesus where geared at Christianity, anytime Jesus mentioned the kingdom of God in his parables, just know that he was talking about the Christianity he was going to establish.

Christianity is the church, Jesus says i will build my church.

the tag Christianity started at Antioch, But in the real sense, the religion has started long before Antioch at crucifixion.

like i said, the name Christian doesn't matter, what matter is, we had a religion long before antioch,
name is only adopted for identification
before Antioch the apostles were called apostles or disciples, they were 12 of them, the other believers where known as disciples.

the name christians, was gotten because of their good works, But they were justified by grace at crucifixion not by works.
so, if we are to adopt the name christians, we should have this at the back of our mind

shdemidemi:
Ok, we can push this as far as you want .
Eve and Adam are one as far as God is concerned, thus why they both suffered the consequence of Eve's action
Remember she was made out of man and not created from dust like Adam.

shdemidemi:
We have a myriad of passages that put the blame directly on Adam without mentioning Eve.
Paul divided these two only when it came to position of authority within the church.
Asides this Adam and Eve remain inseparable like the church and Jesus are inseparable.

Eve never lost faith in God, the bible never said that, she disobeyed God's instruction.
I can have faith but disobey due to the weakness of my flesh

shdemidemi:
I can disobey you without losing faith in you. More like calling your bluff.

Adam had fellowship with God, only God knows how long for, He knew who is creator is, they chat- the bible says God walked to Adam.
There was no doubt in his mind about God's capacity or capability, he was only deceived to disobey the instructions God gave.

Nobody lost faith in God, they all disobeyed their maker including Mr serpent/satan.
They all knew who God is and what He represented, what was oblivious to Adam and Eve was the ramification of their disobedience.

shdemidemi:
A BIG ONE-

One issue of apostasy was not registered or addressed within all of the epistles that form the framework and blueprint of the Christian tenets. People rebelled but were never condemned to be heading to hell in any of the churches- from Corinth to Collossae.

I will not assume that a Christian can die after being raised by Christ from the dead

italo:
I warned you about that guy.

[size=5pt]When you show him where Jesus said believers are going to hell, he says that was before Jesus died so those believers were not justified.

When you show him that Abraham was justified thousands of years before Jesus died, he switches and says those working miracles in Jesus' name were not believers.

When you show him where the book of Hebrews, Romans, Corinthians show Christians can go to hell (after Jesus died), he says the books were written to Jews.[/size]

What amazes me is how BabaGnone pretends he doesn't see the dubious excuses
just because they are defending the same position.

You're arguing with a man who believes there are two gospels and two Jesuses.

My advice is you ignore that one and discuss with the rest.

Arguing with him is like shouting back at an alarm system gone off.

You should either ignore it or put it off.

Obadiah77:
I think some details in the passage don’t fit Jesus’ life and death e.g. 53:10 mentions “his offspring” and “shall prolong his days”;

shdemidemi:
Thank God bro

I certainly will not ignore your posts if addressed to to me with a conscious intent to do so.
I didn't see them, I read your post even when it isn't addressed to me and they are often worth a read,
if you don't mind you can post them again.

As for Adam, I think the right word is 'disobedience' and not lack of faith.
I don't think that is really worth arguing about.

nduchucks:
I don't trust these genetically engineered foods
- something tells me that they may be carcinogenic.
na dis kind ting dey introduce the exotic cancers wey oyibo people dey carry.

alotofgrace:
Genetically Modified Crops

Are they taking into considerations the possible rise of cancer cases in the future?

scalez:
In india, right now most farmers are committing suicide en-mass as a result of GMO ' new crops' they were introduced to.
I hope the FGN did their homework to know the content of what they are giving farmers.
In oyibo countries everybody is sticking to organic food.

5solas:
*Sighs*
You cannot get round it, one who sins is a sinner.

5solas:
*Sighs*

5solas:
We will get to this, but let us understand the facts of our salvation.

5solas:
We are saints by imputation, not by our deeds.
The question that remains is, do we still sin?

Hiswordxray:
Faith is a word use by many people apart from Christians but if you are asking of the Christian Faith then I would give you this verse
"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;" (Heb 12:3).
Faith is not something that comes and jump on you. Faith requires your effort because faith is looking (the gaze of the soul).
Faith don't just involves looking but also reacting to what you are looking at.
You can't look without reacting, this is why James said "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." (James 2:26).

James also said something interesting I would like to quote
"You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." (James 2: 24).

5solas:
We are sinners 1, because we have the sinful nature and 2. because we sin.
It doesn't make us sinners in the first sense but it does make us sinners in the second sense.
Our subsequent sins by acts will not be counted against us in that they do not affect our salvation.
They do not ''unjustify'' us.
We should ask for forgiveness of them and grace to overcome them and move on.

frosbel:
Is the suffering servant Israel or Jesus the Christ?

frosbel:
Ghost Writing?
Not sure what you are trying to insinuate, but snide remarks apart;

frosbel:
If Jesus is appointed by God to judge how do we reconcile this position to - John 8:15, Hebrews 13:4 and Revelation 20:11,12.

Before you rush to play another game of words, in almost all cases, 'judge' in the NT is the Greek word κρίνω ( pronounced krinó and strongs - 2919) which actually means judge as in judge with the ability to make verdicts /

plaetton:
Well, he has told you in plain english that he is in christianity purely for himself, to satisfy his latent selfish and hedonist desire to make heaven, a place of no responsibility.
No wonder that churchianity and corruption walk hand in hand.

frosbel:
Imagine if there was no HELL or Heaven, NONE and I mean NONE of these people will remain in the church, they will go for the next craze in town that offers them a better reward, maybe even one with 72 virgins, lol.

frosbel:
I like the way you wriggled out of the comment I made on your attempt to derail the tread and then quickly threw the 'emotional' card at me. Be rest assured I am not moved by emotion, only facts.

Besides , you are quoting a book that was not written by Paul ( We will come to that on another day ) - .

frosbel:
BabaGnoni:
I suspect that you are a man with some degree of maturity so I know you will respect me for my points of view though you may disagree in which case it is your duty to convince with arguments that are sound, logical and reasonable.

However if the 'fundamentalist' in you is set to defensive mode, I kindly request you keep out of this discussion.

Note: Before you jump to conclusions, my point of view is contrary to this article, this is just a topic for discourse between mature, emotionally stable and reasonable fellows.

frosbel:
Note : I very honestly have NO evil motive for this article other then to dig deep with my brethren and friends and find the absolute truth, so please do not berate me for raising this dilemma on a public forum.

Problem ;
In most books of the bible it says that Yahweh himself will return to judge and save Mankind but in the New Testament it says Jesus will return and he will return to judge and save Mankind, so who is it, God or Jesus ?

Please : I have replaced Lord or God with Yahweh wherever the Hebrew translation corresponds accordingly


Let us start with the Old Testament examples ;

Psalm 96:13
Let all creation rejoice before Yahweh, for he comes, he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness and the peoples in his faithfulness.

Isaiah 66:15
"See, Yahweh is coming with fire,
and his chariots are like a whirlwind;
he will bring down his anger with fury,
and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For with fire and with his sword
Yahweh will execute judgment on all people,
and many will be those slain by the Lord."

Psalm 50:3
"…Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, Yahweh has shone forth. May our Yahweh come and not keep silence; Fire devours before Him, And it is very tempestuous around Him. He summons the heavens above, And the earth, to judge His people:…" -

Zechariah 14:3-5
Then Yahweh will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day Yahweh's feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then Yahweh my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.


Isaiah 45:22
"Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other."

It is clear from the scripture above that ;

1. Yahweh himself is coming.
2. Yahweh is coming with his holy ones
2. Yahweh will judge
3. Yahweh will destroy the wicked
4. Yahweh will save.

New Testament Examples ;

2 Thessalonians 1:7
and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.

Matthew 16:28
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

John 5:22
In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge,

Revelation 1:7
"Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.

Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

Jude 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

It is clear from the scripture above that ;

1. Jesus himself is coming.
2. Jesus is coming with his Holy ones
2. Jesus will judge mankind
3. Jesus will destroy sinners
4. Jesus will save.

In the light of these findings, I will like anyone who has an opinion be it for or against and irrespective of belief to help us solve this conundrum

- Who is coming to save mankind
- Who is coming to judge
- Who is coming to destroy sinners
- Who is coming with his holy ones

paxonel:
Jesus started a journey from Galilee where he he did his first miracle, and ended the journey at Jerusalem where he was crucified. any time he finds those who were supposed to be his disciple he will ask them FOLLOW ME.

this is how he collected his disciples at first, from one city to the other,the miracles he did attracted most of them, until he has a multitude of disciples followed him to Jerusalem.

at the point he started the journey, the number of the disciples were few, this was the time he gave the available few (72 like you say ), power to cast out demons and heal the sick. these people were never Christians. But the number later grow to more than 5000.

Christianity started after crucifixion.
John the baptist and Judas Iscariot died, the over 5000 multitudes of disciples who ate bread and fishes ran away, only few of them (120 disciples) started Christianity in the book of act.
the bottomline is, whether they were dead or they ran away, it is still the same thing. they missed out among those who started Christianity thereby missing the kingdom of heaven.