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There are forgotten links of the ogori with igarra,Akoko-edo ,ebira etc.

I suspect,the ogoris are the andokonis talked about in igarra history

DevilsEqual:
Must u guys always talk offpoint??'
Wetin bring Yoruba enter this matter now

Whats the obsession about

Rest abeg

The point is the Igbo and Yoruba who are majority in the Nigerian system are quarreling while foreigners,( the Fulani) are ravaging them

But the Yoruba are busy quarreling with the igbos on who owns Lagos,while the Fulani rampage on them

The famed asaba massacre was carried out by Nigerian troops,but there's always this subtle reference that the atrocity was carried out by biafran troops.

Nigerian troops murdered asaba indigenes in cold blood not biafrans.

The Yoruba will do nothing as long it's Hausa, they are wary of Hausa wrath

The 3 major tribes can't produce good leaders they are imbe

maasoap:
You guys want Yorubas to go on killing spree of Hausas in Lagos state over a baseless accusation, right?
If Yorubas start killing Hausas now, it won't be the first or second time, you all knew that. And if you can't remember any, use Google search button. Igbos trying hard to set Yorubas and Hausas against each other, nice try

Na today,no be today Hausa's dey flog Yorubas for their "land"

flokii:
They are everywhere in all nook and cranny of this country.. even Sambisa forest, you'll find them there.

Ahmadu Bello described them too well.. give the Igbo an inch of your space, he'll try everything to take over and kick you the host out. Put them in a labour camp, they'll scheme to become the head man in that camp within a year over those that have been in the camp for many years. Is that not what we are witnessing today?

Their plan with Chinedu and Peter Obi is to usurp the political class in Lagos and displace Yorubas. Our Obas and Ijoyes would have become laughing stock pushed around in their domain by the Igbos.
What they don't know is that Eledumare and Oduduwa our ancestor are not asleep.

But Hausa are killing your masses and desecrating their bodies,but because they aren't chiefs and obas they can die

DMerciful:
This was 2014, duspute this?

Mind you, this was the second referendum granted to Scotland

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/results

Theresa may allowed it that period,Scotland had tried many times before and even after but it was blocked

DMerciful:
I don't understand what you're saying. I witness Scotland referendum where the votes was very close.

UK govt is not holding the Scotland or Wales or Northern Ireland. Once any of these have the critical mass to push for a referendum, they'd allow them and if it succeeds, it succeeds

The UK government has always discouraged and prevented referendum call in parliament from happening.

DMerciful:
From your quote attached, you think the govt can force unity on people who do not want to be together? Can two walk together if they do not agree?

It's a characteristic of most governments, the central UK government in London do not want Scotland, Wales,northern Ireland to leave the union.,northern Ireland fought bitterly to leave,yet did not succeed,same with Catalonia in Spain etc.

It is a characteristic of most governments

The fear of Hausa's is the beginning of wisdom for them

Southerners and a lot of middlebelterns are natural MUMU that's the simple reason.

oyatz:
You don't still get the points.

Did anyone stop you from translating the Bible to your native language and use your language in religious worship?
The Missionaries understood that ,to get their messages across to the new converts, they needed to preach and conduct their services in the languages they understood.

Who told you that people have stopped using local Languages in Commerce, religion, music and Social
circles?

As matter of fact, one of the reasons that SW musicians are breaking grounds in Music is because they partly sing in their Native Language which give their sense of originality and uniqueness.

The major reason why guys who dropped out of secondary schools, to learn carpentenry, Tailoring, building ,Auto-mechanics and other skills do well is because, instructions and training in these fields are done in their local languages.


Finally, peoples speaking and using ,their native languages, is NOT a threat to other native languages.


You can develop your languages, music ,culture and ECONOMY too,which would make others people learn and adopt from you.

For instance, in the glorious days of the Bini Empire, there were many people from Yoruba, Igbo, Igala and several small tribes who migrated to Bini or became influenced by Bini culture, languages and political system because it was the 'sense of class' at that time.

The problem is the issue of standardisation of learning,it will be alot of work to vet the standard of formal education in various languages in the same country.

Therefore the formal education might end up being thought in few dominant languages which will be at the disadvantage of smaller tribes,leading to further breeding of rancour.

Tell me how the igbos are marginalised?
Because they haven't become president since the fourth Republic?

They had vp in Alex ekuweme with shagari,they held head of state under ironsi,if he wasn't killed he might have held that post for a long time like Gowon.

Igbos are accommodated in every nook n cranny of Nigeria.

The igbos have held senate presidency the longest in Nigeria.

They have had powerful ministers,they have held head of military outfits.

Their businesses are patronised by governments n private citizens.

This constant cry of marginalisation of the Igbo ,what is is about?

It's totally unfounded and untrue.

They complain of FG not siting projects in their region or maintaining mainly the LAGOS seaports,is that enough reason to cry marginalisation?

What of others middlebelt states were FG never those projects in their state like kogi for example.

The Igbo needs Nigeria more than Nigeria needs them.

The war to bring them back into Nigeria was fought mainly because if the igbos had succeeded to seceed it will encourage other regions to seek seccessation too which the central government feared, not because they were particularly needed.

xexofe1741:
how do we remove that

Malaysia, Indonesia, Brazil were not colonised,Brazil is a majority settler country,Malaysia n Indonesia only had political n economic influence from the Dutch,they weren't outrightly colonised like most countries in Africa

oyatz:
You didn't read to understand but rushed to respond.

The President addressing the country is more of passing information than impacting knowledge, so this can be done in English.

However if we want the largest number of Africans to have detailed understanding of Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) subjects, necessary to catapult Africa into developed countries, then it is best to translate STEM Textbooks into indigenous languages and teach children in local languages.

Even ,important detailed political and public information are made in Local Languages for most people to understand and assimilate the languages e.g Campaigns at Political Rallies, Advertisements by National Orientation Agency, Voter's Card Registration & collection, Infotmatuon on Immmunizations etc.

Nobody forced you or anyone to bear Yoruba names or speak Yoruba language. It is NEVER happened, it is just parts of your propaganda.

Yes,we weren't forced but compelled by exigencies of the times,in the early colonial era,people do not realise that what you are proposing was what was to take place in the colonial era,that's why Bibles etc were translated to indigenous languages ,Yoruba was being promoted to be the lingua franca of the West and neighbour regions such as kabba province ,kukuruku and Midwest (Benin,delta area).

The Benin and delta vehemently rejected it,that's why the policy was stopped.

Very small tribes like mine had no voice n we were influenced to comply until the policy was stopped.

The major tribes sit down, and are blaming a paper document.

Who will implement the constitution if not human beings, of which the majority tribes are more in Nigeria.

How can we have a situation were " indigenous " soldiers and police are willing to kill their own people and go against their indigenous land to support a paper document.

It's the majority tribes that upholds the Nigerian 1999 constitution, therefore the majority tribes should have themselves to blame.

The Fulani knows these majority tribes are stupid dull people, therefore they are taking advantage

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oyatz:
No need for displacement but promoting and using our native languages as medium of impacting Knowledge in Academics, Commerce and Nation building (and English for translations or communications with others), will fast track developments.
The Missionaries understood this concept well, when they translated the Bible, Church Hyms and Liturgical books into native languages.

Home grown religious groups like the White Garments, African Church and CAC churches further entrenced the religion by adapting the new religion to suit local needs.

There will be limitations, imagine you have a Yoruba President addressing the nation in Yoruba,how many languages will it be translated to?

Smaller tribes will be forced to be incorporated into the big three,which will be disadvantageous to those tribes,it's already happened to my tribe to an extent, were in the past we were compelled to bare Yoruba names for political reasons,today many indigenes have forgotten their original culture, identity and history and the Yoruba is wrongly terming us to be yoruba

Most of them are old,some are weary and given up, some are now in power serving the otherside

oyatz:
You don't understand causes and effects ,in nation building.
Brazil is similar to the USA, a settler country.
Singapore,Malaysia and Indonesia are far more homogeneous than African countries and use their indigenous languages as official languages with English as auxiliary language.

Ethiopia, given it's geographical challenges, has performed better than many colonised African countries.

Such can only work if Nigeria is divided along ethnic lines,no tribe however small will be willing to displace it's indigenous language, for its neighbours own,English is neutral

otipoju:
Lagos is still a glorified Ghetto. I was born and lived there for at least 30 years of my life. It still does not remove the fact that some people are indigenes of the state and should not be told that because it was once a capital city, therefore it is no man's land.

Even though Abuja is the capital city, I will not deny that it is the ancestral home of certain ethnic groups and I will never tell them their land is no man's land.

There's a certain sacrifice the indigenes of political capital cities have to make in Nigeria, even within states.

LAGOS indigenes are even lucky the capital was moved if not it would have been worse for them.

The only way they can rightly enforce their hold on their land is by denying others entry and investment which will ultimately eventually change the economic position of Lagos, something must give.

lamentor78:
Better don't waste your talent, go and be teaching students that will write WAEC how to write senseless essay. Biko

I don't care whatever you think

otipoju:
I don't know where you have been in the last 6 or so years. A lot of Ignos were saying Lagos is no man's land and even saying it was the Benin that founded Lagos and if not for them, (the Igbos,) Lagos would not be eloped.



These kind of inciting statements you will never hear from other yorubas from other states and subgroups like Ijebu, Egba, Ekiti, Yagba, Ibadan,Ijesha,Akure,Igbomina,Ife,Ketu.

To claim a man's ancestral land is not his is to dishonour him. To claim that it was you who came from your towns and villages across the Niger to develop his is to add salt to injury.

Even though we are one Nigeria, I know I can not live in Enugu for 50 years and start taunting them that it is no man's land. It is highly disrespectful and anything wey my eyes see, I go take am like that.

So I perfectly understand why the indigenes of Lagos are starting to "reclaim" their land.

It is deliberate , it is calculated and it's not going to stop anytime soon until they are done with whatever plan they came up with in response to the taunts of Igbos.

I pray it never gets to the point where they start revoking Cerificate of Occupancy or turn it to something that you will have to renew every 10 years with almost the cost of building a new house....I know the indigenes of Lagos, when they mean you, they will go all out.

No one will go down as easy as you think, whatever anybody is hatching will end up tearing the whole state down

Goodvibes007:
Yes. And what would you do about it than wail on Nairaland.

We will rather vote Atiku, a detribilized Nigeria over that ethnic bigot agulu fraud.

your time will come

Goodvibes007:
And what about Peter Obi and Ibos doing same in Anambra against Ngige when Tinubu or Awolowo were not contesting in Anambra elections?

There was never any open admitted stance against the Yoruba, however the Yoruba took a clear anti Igbo stance eg the statement of bayo ononuga

Goodvibes007:
Ibos are known for playing 2nd fiddle to Fulani. You thing I am one of those Indomie generation that you can easily gaslight and deceive. LMAO.

Two can play this game.

My point is you people will rather cut your nose to spite your teeth

DevilsEqual:
Name one platform they used to propage the hate against Igbo

Just one abeg


Then lets go back tp check the Election result and see who really have nothing to do with the rest

Atiku won in BATs stronghold and his
BAT won in Atikus stronghold and his
Obi won in the BATs stronghold


Guess what, Obi won alone in the East

Whos the tribalist here

Igbo sense

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