₦airaland Forum

MrColdsweat:
The black man is cursed.

It's only blackmen of majority tribes

XAUBulls:
Indeed, they are! It is only ignorant people like some of those you find on NL or on other online platforms who don't pay attention to little details or read historical materials extensively or belong to the younger generation that will be taking sides or abusing one another over the Israeli-Hamas War issue. The South African Blacks were indeed thrown under the bus by Israel with her support of the White Apartheid government in South Africa back in the day, so I can understand their resentment towards Israel today, but I would have preferred if they stayed off or kept a below-the-radar profile to see how things pan out.

Essentially Muslim Arabs have always referred to Black Africans folks with a racist slur called "abe*d" meaning "slaves" for many centuries now. Arabs have been very brutal throughout history and they hide under the doctrines of radical Islam to do these.

Even the Jews refer to others who defer from them in beliefs with a racist slur called "goyim" or "human cattle."

Because I have seen many videos on YouTube (from the devices worn by the Arab invaders of Southern Israel such as body cameras, head cameras), car dashboard cameras, mobile phones, and the CCTVs showing the live shootings and killings by these morally bankrupt Hamas criminals hiding under Islam, I have some emphathy for Israel because these criminals called Hamas deliberately killed and raped many Israelis and non-Israelis that they found in Southern Israel like the male Thai citizens and this young Tanzanian man.

Why can't you blacks also label Arabs SLAVES, why must you always let them call u whatever they like,majority tribe black African males are weaklings

Raskimonojendor:
Exactly.

These are complete lies,the most important ports were whydah in Benin Republic and Calabar

Raskimonojendor:
We have now gone from Lagos was never a principal port to Lagos was a principal port.

Slavery from the coast of Lagos started in the 1500s if not earlier. Lagos was already rich from dealing with the Portugese, till the British arrived, and also continued the slave trade.
Summary: Lagos was already rich before the British arrived.

You are wrong,Lagos featured in slave exports only prominently from the late eighteened century, Lagos was never a good port as it's shore or so( a shipping term) was not suitable for birthing most early ships,so it was avoided,plus the Benin's who had influence over the area were in the habit of frequently banning Portuguese trade when they wanted,preventing functional trade with the portugese

Raskimonojendor:
It was. Lagos was the principal port of the 'Slave Coast' at the end of the eighteenth century. Not something to be proud of though.

" eighteenth century " that was the era of British dominance, so yes,Lagos became rich through British trade exactly as bonny,Calabar, nembe and brass

Raskimonojendor:
Lol. You are shifting the goal post.

I'm saying facts.The narrative that Western government developed most of LAGOS is completely false

Raskimonojendor:
Lagos sold slaves to the Portugese as well. The British were late arrivals to the trade in Lagos.

LAGOS port wasn't a major port for slave trade even for the Portuguese not withstanding that they named LAGOS,it was whydah in Benin Republic and Calabar.

The Portuguese also named Calabar and Benin

Raskimonojendor:
Ikeja, Surulere, Agege, Mushin weren't developed?

Mushin,agege remains largely ghettos even today,surulere was greatly influenced by FG

Raskimonojendor:
Lagos wasn't sold but annexed in 1861 with the threat of force. Lagos was already rich before it was turned into a British colony.

The Oba resisted the cession for 11 days while facing the threat of violence on Lagos and its people, but capitulated and signed the Lagos Treaty of Cession. Lagos was declared a colony on 5 March 1862.

LAGOS was rich through British trade ,so was Calabar , bonny,opobo ,nembe and brass,it wasn't only LAGOS

Raskimonojendor:
Lagos wasn't sold but annexed with the threat of force.
Lagos was already rich before it was turned into a British colony.

An agreement was signed by the oba of LAGOS and the British effectively giving all control and power over LAGOS to the British in exchange for protection and other benefits

Unlike Benin were no agreement was signed but was taken by force

Pakute:
Only the tiny island was the FCT, the rest of the landmass was under the administration of the Western regional government. Lagos had seen developments before Nigeria was formed, when your forefathers were still buttnaked carousing themselves in the thick forests in alaigbo.

The areas under Western government were never developed even today,they are the ghetto areas of LAGOS

Raf4:
Apapa port was established in 1913 and the construction of 1st 4 deep water berths started in 1921.
Lagos Airport was initially built during 2nd World War.
Carter bridge was built in 1901.
Building of Race Course (now TBS) commenced in 1859 during Oba Dosunmu reign
Lagos - Abeokuta railway was opened in 1898, got to Ibadan in 1902.
As far back as 1860s, Lagos already got electricity, telephone, post office, Schools, City Hall, recreation centres, Cathedrals, public & private hospitals, tarred roads, business districts and international trade centres etc.
As you can see, many of the developments in Lagos occurred b4 amalgamation and formation of Nigeria. So, Lagos was majorly developed by the locals and colonial masters, using revenues generated from Lagos and other parts of Western Region.
The level of development already on ground made the colonial masters to select Lagos as the Capital of Nigeria (previously Lokoja and Calabar)

LAGOS had been sold to the British since 1860, it was under the control of the British, the British developed it,LAGOS was chosen as the capital to prevent French encroachment as the eastern Nigerian area( the Calabar area had already been defined as British territory but not the Western area.)

Pakute:
Only the tiny island was the FCT, the rest of the landmass was under the administration of the Western regional government. Lagos had seen developments before Nigeria was formed, when your forefathers were still buttnaked carousing themselves in the thick forests in alaigbo.

This is a complete lie,the areas under Western government where seriously underdeveloped, only a few parts probably Ikeja that was developing, all other areas that were developing such as amuwo-odofin, surulere, Ojo and apapa were as a result of FG.

The areas that were under Western government even today are less developed, do not try to be deceptive,Lagos developed totally because of FG

Christistruth03:
Ozommadu

The Port of Lagos was the Busiest Port in West and Central Africa before the British ever arrived

Lord Lugard had Predicted in 1906 that Lagos was going to be an Economic Power in Africa

It is a lie,Lagos port was never a big port,even after the British, bonny,Calabar,badagry and whydah were more used than Lagos

The African men of majority tribes aren't real men unlike men of other races women will do a better job running Africa albeit at the cost of totally crushing the black males ego

The age long history that has been in the Nigerian space concerning the history of so many groups especially the minority ethnic groups needs to be re-examined.

The myth of IFE being the origins of all Yorubas and even other groups has been accepted without question for decades.

The Yoruba had a tendency of attributing the beginning of the world to IFE invariably attributing all cultures and peoples as being, from IFE even nonblack races.

This attribution slipped into the books of early historians of various ethnic groups especially southerners attributing their origins to IFE, eg the benin historian Jacob egharevba,and others who attributed Benin origins to IFE.

Many ethnic groups close to the Yorubas do this eg,Akoko-edo, ijaw,itsekiri etc.

However there's been no concrete proof of this.

Even within the Yorubas,the different factions of yorubas in reality are not from IFE but mostly probably only their royal lines as Oduduwa was the originator of kingship system in yorubaland and from him it spread to other Yoruba groups.

The Yorubas were part of an ancient stock that included many other tribes of today that broke out forming their own ethnic groups, some similar to Yorubas others dissimilar. These stock included majority of southern and middlebelt Nigeria.

The oyo group of Yoruba expanded and conquered some of their neighbours thereby imposing a lot of the culture and language on these neighbours to incorporate a familiar culture of what is termed Yoruba today.

The cross-fertilisation of the oyo and ife cultures on the neighbours is what gave rise to a Yoruba identity,however this Yoruba identity only took shape in the nighteen century,prior to that various Yoruba groups saw themselves as different, only probably the royal lines that have probably similar origins,it is this royal line history from IFE that is imposed on other Yoruba groups today as being from IFE.

The oriki cannot be taken as factual history as it can be distorted or parts and bits lost,or being a royal line oriki wrongly attributed to a whole people.

My hypothesis is that any non yoruboid speaking group that cannot correctly explain its origin is probably very ancient and is not in any way from IFE or presumed to be of Yoruba who changed their language eg.Benin.

The key to this is the IGALA who speak a yoruboid language but has never been attributed to being from IFE( why is that?),it therefore clearly shows that they are part of an ancient stock who spoke the same language with most of the Yorubas but divulged from it as they separated. The Okuns too are also a key to this,the okun are likely also IGALA related despite them attributing their origins from IFE,the Okuns might have gotten their royal line from IFE thereby attributing their origins to be from IFE.

In summary the IFE origin story of many minority tribes,and including Yoruba groups needs further questioning and reexamination.

Beuberry:
Magongo people are Yorubas

Funny,the magongo clans are even more non Yoruba than ogori,the clans in magongo comprising oturu,okpou,arigo,and uduako are even more non Yoruba than ogori cos they are among the oldest clans of ogori-osayen, only uduako as some relationship with Yoruba along with OGORI( having passed through ijebu-owo) having come from the Ako and Isure groups of idoani,however even the Ako and Isure groups in idoani are non Yoruba,Ako are an ancient autochonos group,while Isure are a group from sosan-akoko who claim origin from Benin.

RedboneSmith:
The simple answer is acculturation and linguistic assimilation. .

I have learnt not to trust oral traditions too much when it comes to origins. People tend to claim that they come from a culture or kingdom that has influenced them significantly.

The linguistic data indicates that they were/are a non-Yoruba people.

Funny thing is Yoruba did not influence ogori much historically, from available records in ogori history ,ogorians encountered Yoruba through their migratory journeys probably from the east ,they passed through ijebu-owo and idoani( who even have Benin affiliation) .They also encountered Ibadan forces during their attack in the Akoko-edo, igbirra zones and their wife's and children sojourned again in ijebu-owo ( who were very opened to immigrants then) as war refugees.Then also the colonial Yoruba Anglican priest and teachers and under kabba province were Yoruba was mandated as the lingua franca.These overwhelming influence was of the colonial Yoruba teachers and priest.

For generations prior to these events the ogori had only minimal contact with Yoruba,our culture is markedly different, so is the language.Ogori is not a subethnic group but a root tribe not withstanding the population.

Nigerian men are not core MEN,they reason and act like women

Beuberry:
Oya mention those few words of Ogoris that are of Yorubas and lemme mention plenty for you. Until then, you n Edo rogues here that is denying ya routes dey smoke Igbo like Burnaboy!

Ni lati,gbodo,tulasi and few others,mention yours

Beuberry:
Why una come get do many yoruba words, names, similar culture etc? If culture was borrowed, Una too borrow am. The words too why una no get life sotey una borrow plenty. See, Ogoris are Yorubas.
I insist, wikipedia is the yardstick of all histories worldwide. Even Benins wey get strong head pass una respected that their king na Oranmiyan's pikin. Ogoris are Yorubas that migrated to other parts. If you think Wikipedia is wrong, make all you ogori pikins write una own and petition Google to change it. Fish out the culprit that wrote the one on wikipedia and let's ask him/her where the source came from.
Lastly, una too don think say una mature mature wan claim say we nor be Yorubas. Who cares sef? Yorubas should prune away bad seeds sef!

It's like you confusing ogori with some other people,ogori has very few yorubas words in its language,I can literally count them all,also we have very minimal Yoruba culture, some of how festivals and traditions Yorubas do not practice them.

We know our history, ogori are not ignorant people,our history is well documented,

It's you imposing Yoruba on us,not we begging to be Yorubas,leave us alone,infact if ogori is related to any people it's the Edo and igbirra

Beuberry:
If I can't believe Wikipedia, should I blv you?
Wikipedia was composed by people of more intellects than you.
You blv other historical sources from wikipedia but didn't blv that of ogoris people.
That's denial of origin. Seems you v same issues like Benin (Ile-Ibinu) people. You both deny ya origins.
Ok. When Nigeria splits, make Ina no near Yorubaland o!

Ogori-magongo get their land,we are not even close to yorubaland.
There are books written by ogori historians,including a former king of ogori,even one by the king of magongo too which never gave credence to ogori or magongo being from Yoruba land,the one on Wikipedia is coined from a particular one that was written in 2003 but as even been disproved.

GENES11S:
We are not ebira.

Ogori Magongo is a border town, so we share border with ebira speaking towns.
So most of them and our people intermarry and settle as one.
Same can be said of some tribes from Edo state, they share borther with us and are very close to us.
Don't even get me started with Kwara state, which we were initially part of before the creation of Kogi state. Even now, there are still traces of Ogori and Magongo in Kwara state.

So we are not Ebira, we are Ogori/Magongo. We are a tribe of our own. Yes, we do have Yoruba ancestry which is evident from most of our surnames.

Yoruba surnames are not evidence of Yoruba ancestry, most original ogori surnames are non Yoruba, most Yoruba surnames of ogori people today were the first names of their fathers who were named in the early colonial era or after ogori arrival from ijebu-owo ( okejebu) in today's ondo state.

The Yoruba names are not family names except for very few

The way Yoruba,Igbo,Hausa,igbira,benin formed to be a tribe is the same way ogori-magongo formed into a tribe( oko)

Beuberry:
Language twist occured to them. The oral history said they are Yorubas. Why do they have too many Yoruba words, names among them?

Language twist never occurred because ogori-magongo language (oko) is not related to any other language or not especially the surrounding Edo and igbirra languages and not to any dialect of Yoruba,so were did they get the language if it's not original to them.It shows they never spoke any other language but oko.

There aren't too many Yoruba words in oko,and the few that are are borrowed words,which is a common thing for most Languages.

Yoruba naming convention is fairly recent, started mostly during the early colonial times,however OGORI has a history of passing through yorubaland such as ijebu- owo,and cud have adopted some Yoruba names earlier,they also lived up to 15 years probably in ijebu-owo during the Nupe wars,ogori also has a lot of igbirra,as well as Uneme and other edoid names

No oral history of ogori says they are Yorubas ,the one on Wikipedia was adopted from a disputed history of ogori book by an author

BanyXchi:
probably another Edo miscreant larping as magongo. I have some as friends and they are proudly Yoruba.

Magongo or ogori is not Yoruba,the forced Yoruba link occurred during the colonial era,there are well researched books on the history of ogori-osayen ,non shows that ogori-magongo is a subgroup of Yoruba ,ogori-magongo is a full fledged tribe but was reduced to a small size due to incessant wars it fought against the ebiras,Nupe and some edoid tribes

XAUBulls:
I have always read that Ogori folks are of Yoruba origins but your post here is very revealing. I guess this is what happens to ethnic groups that are situated at the major trading crossroads and borderlands where ethnicities meet.

There is a lady called Oreka Godis who is from Ogori via her paternal roots.

Yes,ogori has always interacted with Yorubas and adopted few names,though most are recent,also ogori adopts igbira and Edo names too not just yoruba

scholes0:
Qua qua qua qua.
Pls... what is especially special about the names Akpafa, etu, idu or okpowo? LMAO .. All these words could have meaning in any of the numerous Yoruba dialects.

Its also funny how you remember those ones, but don't remember the most important parts of town: AIYEROMI, ARAWU, AYETORO, EKU OBA, ILETEJU, OBINOYIN, UDADEGUN, OMODA, OBATIGBEN or OJUBEDI.

At least if you want to mention areas of town the least you could have done is list an ample sample.

Agenda must agend with you.

You aren't ogori,if you are you'll know many of the Yoruba name quarters were established in the colonial era,those that are not Yoruba names that you mentioned here are not Yoruba derived,they have their meaning in oko-osayen ,obviously you don't know

TAO11:
First of all, my comment wasn’t directed to you. Also, it has nothing to do with Ogori.

But now that you’ve brought up Ogori; Ogori is one of the Yoruba groups in Kogi state. Do your worse.

And you’re not Ogori. Prove yourself.

Ogori is not a subgroup tribe,but a full tribe,oko-osayen the language is not a dialect but a full language and as zero relationship with Yoruba