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Egba girl: I know America for one and I think the Uk too. not sure. but America, most def!

I think they drive air conditioned buses in USA, what of our weather here and the kind of rickety buses danfo drivers run here, one minute they are driving, next minute they are adjusting a bolt in the gear box.

afam4eva: Corporate Agberoism in the making

Did I hear someone say that is the way it is done in America, UK, and china. Imao

Anyway, how much is the uniform, does it come with stockings and sandals. How about the driver cap cos of too much sun.

Then another wayb of revenue generation is to start residence permit oooo, ehn, and license plate number for all your shoes trekking on Lagos roads. Abi you no know sey your shoe dey crack Lagos roads.?

Lol lol lol

Boomark: Where is stellababy that was talking as if tomorrow no dey?

Pastor kun, they will never read that deuteronomy you quoted.

And i notice that once you mention the Highpriest(Christ our Highest Pastor) and the new covenant, they just disappear.

That is why your zeal should balance with the word of God. Don't be 'too over zealous' so that you don't make so many mistakes.

I see bunch of people who will never give to the course of Christianity nor for then spread of the effective spread of the gospel. People talk about Jesus dying poor, but forgot that He is the king of kings, the one that is before time and will be even after time. The Lord of host. The Lord said silver and gold belongs to him, He is the God who blesses whom He wants to bless. He is the God that brings down one, and raises another. Lets not argue things of the spirit because tithe, giving of alms, and offerings are things of the spirit. When people of God glorify God with their substance, it is not and should not be a subject matter.

Your tithe is not for the poor, if you so wish to help the homeless, you can rent an apartment for him or her, if you wish to help the sick, you can help take care of their medical bills, the hungry, buy food stuffs and give to them. There no doubt that a lot of churches are doing this and they are not accountable to anyone. So do your path. That the church is fully equipped with good things is not your business, the people chose to beautify their place of worship, and they did it, they did not borrow money from you to do so. It doesn't still stop the humanitarian works they are doing.

A lot of you talk here should get rid of the spirit of covetousness, if you are given the position to handle money to the poor, I might doubt your integrity judging from the kind of things you write here only to justify why you will never pay your tithe in church.

Read be,ow:

Matthew 26:6-11,14-16 (KJV)
Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, [7] There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat . [8] But when his disciples saw it , they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste? [9] For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. [10] When Jesus understood it , he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. [11] For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always. [14] Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, [15] And said unto them , What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. [16] And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.

I see lots of people here saying why did the church build a state of art structure, and even equipped with AC and etc, that the money should have been given to the poor. Lol, when you give them the money, the next minute, they will be the ones to betray the poor. Covetousness in action.

Pastor Kun: Example of a very carnally minded christian who is more interested in vainly sitting on N6,000 chairs than the welfare of his neighbour Jesus asked him to love that needs only N5,000 to turn his life around.

Don't blame you my brother, I know your position is as a result of the poisonous doctrines you are taught in the 'church' you attend.

Even if you are given all the tithe and offering money to share to the poor, you still will not be faithful with it. Lead by example. Bring out your car and house and other properties, sell them and donate all to the poor, start tomorrow. It is not late. Don't look at others or the church. You can start now.

Boomark: @Babestella

Obedience to the word of God is better than sacrifice.

What we are saying is that pastors should start teaching the truth in the word.

They are still holding unto the old covenant just acquire wealth and ignore the new covenant which Christ brought to us.

If they want let the money for changing microphones be 10billion, we don wan to know. Let them start teaching the truth.

I get your point and i agree with you, and I must say this. If a pastor is not preaching the truth, I believe we have a choice. OK. I don't believe pastors who preach trash just to woo the church, No. If a pastor goes off the point, I leave the church. We all have a choice to attend and even in giving.

Pastor Kun: Example of a very carnally minded christian who is more interested in vainly sitting on N6,000 chairs than the welfare of his neighbour Jesus asked him to love that needs only N5,000 to turn his life around.

Don't blame you my brother, I know your position is as a result of the poisonous doctrines you are taught in the 'church' you attend.

So how many homeless people have you touched with your multi millions. Because we sat on 6,000 chairs does not stop us from helping those we have helped so far from my church, and on individual basis. I know your type, the devil is only using you to make us blow our trumpet, I will not tell you how my church touches lives, and on personal level what i have done to help others, God who sees in secret and rewards openly. You can as well sit on the floor of your church if you wish, it is not mine business. You can remove the ACs in your church, sell it and donate the money the poor.With or without you,the church must move on.

If you think Christians are supposed to live a poor life, you are mistaken. We are blessed and we have become a blessing to others. We do our part as a church and as individuals to help the poor. Have you done your part?

Check yourself properly and tell yourself how many homeless, orphanages you have helped in your entire life. Tell yourself the truth. Because we bought chairs worth 6 million for a church,myou are ranting your mouth. You have not seen anything na, the church is moving on, not even your criticism can stop it.

Tell me you don't have A/C in your church. Do you even know what goes on in your church, or you are just a bench warmer in the church that sees his pastor as some kind of thief. You need to change.

Only in his dreams. Maybe he meant to say it will take Nigeria 50 years to catch up with where UK economy is today. He talks as if from now until 2050, UK economy will reman static. UK will fold their arms, close down their manufacturing sector and wait for us to catch up with them.

We can't even boast of 12 hours electricity, or good roads, or industrialization, or education. Abeg, you guys should give me better alternative news jooor

I see a whole lot of people who are not willing to pay their tithe, and some claim they prefer to give their tithe to the poor. Lets face the facts here, talking about tithe, I see nothing wrong in paying tithe. It is helpful in the spread of the gospel, and running of the church. Incan see some guys go to their church, and complain that the church is dusty, some events fuse to sit on some kind of church pews/chairs simply because they are good old and appears dirty. The truth is this, wether you pay your tithe or not, you surely will get blessed, because God has given us the power to make wealth. Now read: Malachi 3:8-10. It is simple obedience, by paying your tithe your get extra ordinary blessings beyond the normal blessings you get daily.in that passage, God promised to rebuke the devourer for our sake when we pay tithe, I don't think you need too much explanation on this. Have you wandered why people get duped?, why they get into wrong businesses sometimes, and why they lose money, why some go through some illnesses that cost several thousands of money and even millions to treat? Devourer comes in several forms, the aim is to make you lose money. But when you pay your tithe, You key into the total promise of God.

I am not a pastor, but i know that obeying God's word does no harm to any one, even if the pastor eats all the money, no problems, all I know is that I have done my part.the word of God is simply, but due to darkness in our hearts, we try to turn it around to suit of feelings towards others. If you are a real Christian, you will not complain, and for those who complain, they can stop paying theirs, tithe is not compulsory, it depends of your personal relationship with God. Church today has developed, today you see church fully air conditioned, good chairs, and pews, good choir equipment, and lots of conveniences, where do you think the money comes from?

Sometimes ago, we upgraded the chairs in my church to better ones, and each one cost 6,000 naira. We ordered for 1000 units. That is 6 million naira. Donation was called for, and the church was able to raise about 2.5 million. The balance was added from the church purse and others who upped their donations. Talk about air conditioners, we all know how much it cost to cool an auditorium of 1000 people. Do the Maths.

So it baffles me when Christians begin to support non payment of tithe. I can assure you that if you call for donation for a certain project that will cost say 5 million naira in the church, the same way they shy away from tithe, they will also shy away and tell you they rather give their 100 naïra to the poor because the pastor will embezzle the money. Ok, bless a begger with 100,000 naira some can start a life, they will look the other way. Please you guys should stop all these. If you want to give your tithe give, if not hold your money and your peace. I see people are holding back in the worship of God. if you want to worship God, you do with with all your heart, your time, resources, May God not replace us with stones.

soledayo: TITHE IS MEANT FOR GOD'S HOUSE OR TO GOD'S MINISTERS. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF GOD'S HOUSE AND HIS MINISTERS' WELFARE. MINISTERS WHO USED IT WRONGLY FACE GOD'S JUDGEMENT.

IT IS NOT MEANT FOR THE POOR. GIFTS, YOUR OFFERING OR WHATEVER U WISH MIGHT BE GIVEN TO THE POOR BUT THE POOR BECAUSE OF THEIR STATUS SHOULD NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF GOD'S HOUSE AND HIS MINISTERS, HENCE TITHES ARE NOT MEANT FOR THEM.

Correct.

Mcdondayan: Good day brothers and sisters in the lord. I have been pondering over this issue, and have asked some questions about it.
The bible tells us to give one tenth of our proceed to the lord and there are many promises attached to it. But if we look around us there are many poor people around us.
I have asked this same question to a clergy man and he said it is nt wrong because God is also in the poor. So i want to bring the same question to NL christains (not the brainwashed ones) who have proper reason to clear my doubt. IS IT WRONG TO GIVE OUR TITHE TO THE POOR?

Who do you classify as the poor. You are only decieving yourself. Don't pay tithe you hear. You can keep it in your house and when you pass by beggars you drop 10 naira note for each of them and go home rejoicing that ou have paid your tithe.

Listen, tithe must not be confused with offering and giving.

We must pay tithe in our place of worship which is a church.
Offering is what we giving in the church and God demands hat we bring of offerings.

Then, in giving, we can do that to help the poor, beggars, widows etc.

You can pay a tithe of 10,000 naira in the church, but in giving, you can give relief materials worth over 100,000 naira to the poor.

The tithe is used in developing the church, in church growth, buying of church equipments, chairs, etc.

I just tire for some dumb guys who try to twists the bible just to suit their selfish and rebellious heart

Just obey the word of God, don't try to be mathematical and scientific about it. Some Nigeria too get yeye sense that doesn't add up to nothing at the end of the day.

Go and pay your tithe, give your offerings and give to the needy. It is well.

Ok, can the fuel station go for 10 million ?

ilugunboy: The fact that you don't know him doesn't not belittle his popularity.....if you drive in Lagos and the Southwest...you are most probably to know him.

May his soul RIP. His fuel station is one the few that will not horde fuel during scarcity.

regime: WAO to be candid dis Bank has never downsized since dis man took over as MD/CEO.
Other nationalized Bank Main street and Enterprise downsized with mass protest.
I wish him well.
Long live Keystone bank
Long live Oti Ikomi
Long FRN

That is the mark of a leader. Many bank CEO sacked hundreds, they couldn't handle it. Well, for information purpose only and from very reliable source, Enterprise Bank is compiling names of staffs to sack unjustly. If you work in Enterprise Bank, please be watchful and pray. Don't be found wanting in area of service delivery, revenue mobilization and customer service.

In my opinion, if you think someone's name should be on the sack list, why not include yours and lets see how it feels.

I get 12 lines, 12 phones, and 6 BB, 3 iPhones and 3 Nokia phones. I have vacancy for phone carriers ooooo. Job function, help carry phones around me and answer calls. But I have 1 line which PGA GEJ calls directly, and 1 line which BRF calls too, & 1 line for prediso of America.

Is that community still existing? Pls that community should be razed down, leveled with bulldozers and renamed after the four boys and then those found to be involved in this must suffer the same fate. By now, the community should be a desert ground with no evidence of human existence. This is a crime committed by the whole community directly or indirectly they are all involved in this heinous murder.

All you haters of men of God. Where were you when Oyedepo started, when he built the largest church auditorium? Do you know how many souls he has won for Christ Jesus? how many people have you evangelized this week? You can't even win a soul to Christ. You are there making noise because he bought jet. Your hate cannot stop the work of God, so go get a life. If you don't have a job, start winning souls for Jesus Christ today, now and watch your life change for better.

rhymz: You are an eeediot that needs help. People are being manipulated by that charlatan and all you could do is blab about some stoopid god's grace talk. You think Oyedepo gives a rat ass about God? You think the man is afraid of some spiritual repercussions on his schemes? Go and wash your head in a river, or talk to some shrek to help you think with your brains, you obviously left in the wrong hands of these bible wielding scammers.

I think you are the one that needs help here. Call me anything you like, it's only your opinion, it doesn't change the way I feel, it doesn't stop me from giving. I don't attend his church, but I don't support disrespect of men of God on social media no matter how small they are. If you feel oyedepo is a cheat, who cares less about God's wrath, do you want to be the one to judge him. Better, you can start your own campaign to enlighten people so they stop going to his church and also stop giving. Call EFCC if possible. After all a lawyer took him to court the other time, it means you can actually invite the law enforcement agency to check him out. One thing you don't understand is that your not giving does not and will change God's plan for his ministry. God does not want our wisdom in the things of the spirit, giving, tithing, offerings are spiritual things & God does not demand that we use our human knowledge and mind to analyze it, HE demands that we simply obey His word and watch him do His own part. Is there anything too hard to understand there.?

AjanleKoko: Hold up a second, hombres.
Below is Mr Mac's latest take on the issue.
Can we stay consistent for a second?

Why is he apologizing now, but he's been making sales commission on the sale of those planes, how many flood disaster victims has he helped lately. ?

WebSurfer: I guess you are one of his disciples, God didn't ask us to judge, YES, but the bible made us to understand by their fruit we shall know them, don't worry, just like the made of to understand on the last day! Many who calls his name will also surfer for deceiving and misleading the church..

I am not his disciple. Talking about knowing them by their fruits, you need to ask for the Grace of God to understand that you can't fight for God. It you think they are using your money to buy luxury jets, them stop giving, it is simple. Leave God to judge please.

I don't really get you guys. Church going is all about praising God, worship, giving and obey God's word in giving. So therefore, it is unavoidable right to give while in church, and to pay our tithe while in church. We all know that giving is living, you can't stop people from giving, because they understand the word of God. They maybe poor today, but in future, God will bless them, and their generation, their children. We seem to think that once you give your tithe and offerings in church, youngest home and under your bed, you miraculously find a Ghana must go bag full of dollars. I don't understand the fight against giving in the house of God.

Whatever the man of God does with the offerings and tithe, it simply does not concern anyone, it's God's business to handle.

We see governors, ministers, doctors, engineers etc coming from very poor and humble background, and we think it is rocket science. We should learn to allow God do HIS work when we have done ours.

MacDaddy01: Sharaap!

Oyedepo is a tithe fraud!

Your MOG's are doing their best to milk tithes from their sheep members!


Thieves dem lot!

You shut your dirty trap and get a life. Once it is time to pull down men of GOD, you open your stinking mouth to speak and use your craw craw ridden hand write trash. You wish Oyedepo were your father, I'm sure you will never had complained. Abeg, shift make we see better people with proactive and objective minds. If Oyedepo steal his church's money, is it your business, when did God hand over judgement seat to you?

BarexB: Ahan! Private jet 45million dollars aint fair for a Man of God. Jesus rode on a Donkey. Why can't Oyedepo use the money to help the plenty poor people and win their souls to his church? Why can't the poor Human beings attend His university. Knowledge is not only for the wealthy.. My Heart weeps. GOD knows best

How do you know if he is helping the poor or not? How much is a jet worth? Abi you want him to buy the type MTN wants to give out or give cash equivalent of 65 million naira.

Abeg guy go chill and leave men of God alone. They are all doing their best to help the people around them that needs help, those who have benefited from the can say it all. If you need help, then go meet him and see of he helps you or not.

Anybody who thinks it is easy to pastor a church should start one first in his or her village and see how it goes.pls lets leave men of God alone.

As for that man called Tee Mac, I'm sure he knows his roots from Okota to Isolo, Apata school area. Tee Mac is someone I know very very well. Everyman is an architect of his own success, he should leave the MOG alone please.

Paying of tithe is mandated by GOD and failure to pay it is absolute disobedience to the word of GOD, however, you make choose to disobey GOD, it is totally at your own risk, the consequence, no one will share the experience with you. Pay your tithe and forget what the men of God do with it, it is not your area of interest. GOD is not fooled.

Oyedepo and other men of GOD are running with their vision. I think it will be best you discover why and what you are here on this earth. what is your vision and mission here on earth.

Saltan my foot, abeg make them yank the name of that saltAnn from the list at once. Is there peace in his region?

We go soon collect license plates from LASG for the shoes we wear. LOL

Do u want Nigerian used or chinko or fresh UK used. 10k is too low bro.

All Muslims in USA and other western countries should be deported right now. They cannot be enjoying peace in western countries while their brothers and sisters are busy killing innocent people in the Arab world. They need to go back, They should be stripped of their citizenship and deported at once.

The only thing Muslim preachers do is to preach against Christianity, telling people that JESUS is not the savior, and not the son of God. They preach heavily against Christians and in a hate manner too. So forget about Muslims respecting other religion, you are talking as if you don't see it happen everyday.

, I see a lot of violent protest in the Arab world. In UK it was very peaceful. Come to think of it, are there no Muslims in USA

Why are they not protesting let alone go violent. I bet they value their citizenship more than the ideaology of protest. The fear of losing their American citizenship?? Could it be that they are enjoying a degree of peace and security within the USA which they are afraid to lose. But their Muslim brothers in the middle east and north Africa, and Nigeria enjoy senseless acts of terrorist behavior and killings.

I used average of 5k monthly on my prepaid meter. I run 2 a/c whenever there is electricity. It is better to get the prepaid meter jàrè, this Nigeria is a big fraud.

ebamma: you commot 100,000 go buy Iphone,me i commot 10,000 go buy nokia 2700,you browse i browse,u 2go i go,u snap picture i snap picture,u download games i download games,you play music i follow play,please is it not waste of money?

I chop KFC chicken and chips, you chop oshodi isàlé śickén. LOL.