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@gbade, barikade.

Posted by: bari_kade
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Quote from: belloti on Yesterday at 11:27:49 AM
No one seem to be around to reply brother babs. May be we are finally getting a concensus.

The concensus is that he cursed himself, and it is already working on him!
Worry not - blabs787 has already been answered and debunked severally.

babs is still very much around and since you have made the habit of repeating the issue of curse hanging on you, i put it the same way that it will continue hanging on you till my questions in other thread are being attended to. it is until you both answer my questions, the curse will stop hanging on you based on your repetition of the statement.

@davidylan,

you are still talking?. your time is up on nairaland. your sister knocked you out. arent you ashamed of yourself?

mind you: the thread is finally opened, 'was jesus christ crucified.
there we will know whether he was

crucified or crucificted
crucifict or crucify.
crucifixion or crucifiction

Doubts from the beginning

Long before the birth of Muhammed (saw), controversy reigned among the early Christian sects about the crucifixion of jesus. Some of them did not believe that jesus was killed on the cross. One such sect was the
BASILIDIANS, who believed that someone else was substituted for jesus on the cross.
THE DOCETAE held that the crucifixion of Christ was apparent, not real
THE MACIONITE gospel (about A.C 138) denied that jesus was born and merely said he appeared in human form. These and many other sects were exterminated by the predecessors of the church of Rome. Their names appears only as heresies in the catechism of the Roman Catholic Church. They are considered heretical because they failed to survive the “stake”.

Verdict of Barnabas

This gospel of Barnabas supports the theory of substitution. The gospel was edited and translated into English from the Italian manuscript at the imperial library in Vienna by Lonsdale and Laura Regg. On page 25 of the gospel of Barnabas appears the list of the twelve apostles chosen by jesus and st. Barnabas is listed as one of the twelve. If one were to analyse the candidature of an apostle according to their merit as recorded in the Acts of the Apostles of the New Testament, then st. Barnabas ought to have been counted in the first three.

Babyosis, I even asked you the reason for your not quoting from the gospel of barnabas, because he was alive and witnesses jesus’ teachings and also according to the bible, Barnabas:

was an apostle (Acts 14v14), full of Holy Ghost (Act 11v24), Prophet (Acts 13v1), performers of miracles (Acts 15v21)

It is inconceivable that the gospel of such a great apostle should have been denied the honour of inclusion in the canon of the new testament. This gospel disagreed with the pre-conceived notions of the early Christian church and it was condemned by three church decrees
1. The decree of Western church 382 C.E
2. The decree of Innocent the First 465 C.E
3. The decree of the Council of Galasius 496 C.E.

The Christians are reluctant in accepting the Vienna manuscripts as authentic but in 478 christian era, relics of St. Barnabas with the gospwel on his breast were recovered from a sepulcher in Cyprus during the reign of emperor Zeno.

Blood for salvation
Christian world believe that salvation comes only through shedding of blood of jesus Christ. They say if only muslims would accept the redeeming blood of jesus and take him as their personal saviour, muslim would be saved. Muslims are being harassed everyday; in the public bus, on the street, in their respective homes, offices etc.

And answer supreme

Nothing the Muslims have to say to Christians than Allah’s shattering reply to the jewish boast in
Quran 4v157: and they say (in boast), ‘we killed jesus the son of mary, the apostle of God’, but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so, and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge, but they follow only conjecture, for of a surety, they killed him not.

Demand for proof
When confronted with the extravagant and conflicting claims of the jews and the Christians to their exclusive rights to salvation, Allah commands us to demand for proof. He says in
Quran 2v11: And they say, ‘no one shall enter paradise unless he be a jew or christian’. These are their own desires. Say (O Muhammed SAW), ‘produce your proof if you are truthful.

And they have produced the only proof. We must not forget that the jews are in the dark, allegedly for the murder od jesus and we as muslims are constrained to defend them against the Christian charge. Whatever their sins of commission and omission, Allah exonerates them from the charge of murder. He says that
For of a surety, they killed him not.

Hope am making sense

@barikade and gbade

You have been telling me that all my questions have been answered. i could remember posing the same questions to shahan, rather than answer my questions, she ignored them on the pretext that they were copied, and now instead of you to have followed the step of your knowledgeable sister that couldnt answer the questions thrown at her, you decided to nail and expose the weakness and fraud in your bible

i was browsing through the bible when i came across those words, i was taken aback on seeing the verses.the verses may not be contradiction but i just feel like learning. so am posing the questions to you again in order to enlighten me and it will be highyly appreciated if you kindly explain to me. pls

here goes the questions

1. where did the second denial take lace?
a. was to a maid in the gateway (mark 14v69)
b. was to another maid in the porch (mathew 26v71)
c. was to a man (luke 22v58)

2. who carry the cross to the golgotta
a. simon of cyrene carried it (mathew 27v32, luke 23v26)
b. jesus carried the cross by himself (john 19v17)

3. how many thief reviled jesus?
a. both the two thieves (mathew 27vv44)
b. one out of the two thieves (luke23v49-50)

4. when was the curtain turned?
a. after the cry (mark 15v34-38, mathew 27v46-52)
b. one time (luke 23v45-46)


thank you

stay blessed till you answer my questions

@barikade and gbade

this are the questions again.

than you

1. where did the second denial take lace?
a. was to a maid in the gateway (mark 14v69)
b. was to another maid in the porch (mathew 26v71)
c. was to a man (luke 22v58)

2. who carry the cross to the golgotta
a. simon of cyrene carried it (mathew 27v32, luke 23v26)
b. jesus carried the cross by himself (john 19v17)

3. how many thief reviled jesus?
a. both the two thieves (mathew 27vv44)
b. one out of the two thieves (luke23v49-50)

4. when was the curtain turned?
a. after the cry (mark 15v34-38, mathew 27v46-52)
b. one time (luke 23v45-46)

stay blessed till you answer my questions

@babyosis,

my write up will be based on verses from the bible and in which questions will be asked at the end of each write up.

take care.

@mrpataki,

no comment for now.

@babyosis,

am leaving this thread and opening a new one tagged "was jesus crucified"

the reason for opening a new thread is for (probably) people to contribute and read everything.

like i said in one of the threads, after each write up, question(s) will be posed at you in which at the end of the day, we will altogether agree whether he was crucified or not.

till then,

stay blessed.

gbade & barikade,

i dont blame you.when you dont believe yourselves, let alone believing another person. what would it have profited me if i lied claiming that somene sent me mail? escapist.

you tactically avoided my questions and resorted to asking me senseless question.

and if your problem is knowing the person that wrote the mail, his name is bolaji and having told you, i need your comment on that and also dont forget to answer my questions.

@mrpataki,

@ blabs787,
Havila once said it, let me borrow those exact words now:
You are total waste of intellect and space!

What exactly is your point above on?

I DONT GIVE A DAMN ON WHATEVER YOU MIGHT BE SAYING. IF YOU ARE TOO BLIND TO READ POSTS AND RESORTED TO BEING BIASED, YOUR BROTHER GBADE SHOULD BE IN THE BEST POSITION TO ANSWER YOU.

@gbade,

i only sent that who sent you that e-mail.

make me understand, the sentence above is too much for me pls

[b]needless to say, i won't bother answering your "questions". I also implore my other Christian brethren not to bother answering your "questions", because no matter how many times answers are given to your often mischevious "questions", you start talking a whole load of crapola, terming the answers as "beating around the bush".

am not surprised because you have no answers. just answer the questions once and i will never bother you again. it should have been written this way:

needless to say, i won't bother answering your "questions". I also implore my other Muslim brothers not to bother answering your "questions", because no matter how many times answers are given to your often mischevious "questions", you start talking a whole load of crapola, terming the answers as "beating around the bush".


One more thing blabs, no curse is/will ever hanging/hang on my head. Why? Because the Blood of the Lamb has atoned for my sins, taking away every curse you can bring up. same goes for my Christian brothers and sisters in tha hizzouse.

gbade or what do you call yourself. havent you been reading your posts and the number of times you have been mentioning the issue of curse hanging on you?

bobbyaf,

you are perfectly correct, we are both guilty.

the entire muslim world do not believe in the crucifixion of jesus christ. not only in the quran do we have verses debunking the claim but we also have verses in the bible kicking against same too.

fadenike,

you don't need to curse in order to make people believe you.

thank you.

babyosis,

but you didnt quote from the GOSPEL OF BARNABAS, why?

babyosis, don't get me wrong, one of the reasons for saying the above is that, those that claimed to be eye witnesses were not there, they fled the scene and as result of their fleeing, the stories given by each contradicted each other.

so let me know, i have some questions for you and if you are able to answer them, i will 100% agree that he was killed, we are all learning.

cheers and my regards to shahan.

so jesus was crucified but i thought he wasnt.

babyosis,

i will raise some questions for you in which if you are able to answer them, i will accept that he was crucified really (crucifixion or crurifragium)

@babyosis,

to be factual with you, i have not checked the site but be rest assured that babs will surely come up something debunking your allegations posted from your site.

na you get your mouth, you may call me babyosis if you feel like

stay cool.
by the way, where is my professor (shahan), i really missed her no be small.

mrpataki,

am not jumping here and there but to learn, please teach me what i dont know.

davidylan,

well, you are entitled to your opinion. didnt you see that he posted many quranic verses in which treating them one after the other will take time, but surely you will definitely hear from me.

take care brothers and sister till you hear from babs

i also missed havila and shahan a lot.

gbade.x,

i can see that you are havng visual problem. where in my post did i say the mail was from you?

now to three of you (mr pataki, gbade, barika) but most especially gbade, if you do not answer my below questions, the curse will continue hanging on you.

let me have your explanation.
What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

After (Mark 14:12-17)
Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)

To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?

To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)

ALSO WE WILL SOON KNOW WHETHER IT WAS CRUCIFIXION OR CRURIFRAGIUM.

@backslider,

coming soon with yoyur response.

take care.

babysin,

uve gone to the site again to lift from there having failed you on countless occasions

@gbade.x


you still labelled babs a liar despite the glaring contradictions up. like i said the curse is still on and will be until my questions above are answered.

mrpataki,

welcome. how was the relocation. hope cool.'ile atura o'

you still labelled babs as being a liar, i threw glaring questions at davidylan and shan, rather than answer, you still claimed am jumpinghere and there. once again God's curse isstill hanging on liars

@barikade,

'ipako o gbo suti, ori elegan lo baje'

from: babs787 on Yesterday at 04:27:35 PM
my efforts here is . . .certainly not to mock jesus (be upon him) and his teachings. (Allah forbids). The intent is obviously to point out that false charges, misrepresentations, lies, frauds against Allah and his prophets, are in themselves derisive and constitute disbelief.

Not surprising - there are many typical Muslims who speak with both sides of their mouth. While pretending they never mock/insult any prophet, they actually do - and then will turn again and lie publicly that they never did!

really. maybe you bring me proof in which i mocked any prophet. if you levelled allegations against me mocking jesus in the bible, you dont need to be angry at me, you should rather be towards your bible cos i brought it from your bible. and my friend where have you been when your cohorts have been saying all sorts of blasphemy against my prophet.

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 04:27:35 PM

. . .we will see who the real liar is and who needs doctor.

. . .stay hooked on readers and see the real liars

We've seen the real liar in action - babs787, and so far none of his doctors have been able to cure him! More than that, he has cursed himself for his vexed lies!

ok,babs is still a liar despite the fact that he brought out contradictions from your bible. the curse is still hanging on liars

@shahan,

let me revert to your issue on the author of the book of deutronomy but it never affects my questions up

1. moses died there in the land of moab but not will die in theland of moab.
2. and he buried him in a valley but not will be buried in the valley. also note the word'he' and 'buried him' used
3. no man know his sepulchre unto this day but not no man will know hissepulchre till
4. and moses was 120 years when he died but not moses will be 120 years when he will die.
the above shows that moses didnt write the above (davidylan, am moving closer to you on your subordinates writing it for him). in the sentence above, past tense is being used instead of future tense. the first sentence even showed that it was penned down after the death of moses.' he died there acording to the lord", yet babs is still a liar.

have you been noticing plagiarism in the bible. who copied who? (thatwill be later when the above is addressed).

in addition, the foundation of christianity is on 'the crucifixtion or crucifiction of jesus christ.if there is no crucifiction, there is no resurrection and where there is no resurrection, there is no christianity.

we muslims believe that he wasnt killed nor crucified and i stand by that too.(ve even given you part of the contradictions therein). so if you go against that, the door is wide opened.

lastly, if you do not stop infringing on muslims faith, babs will never relent in exposing the fraud therein.

good luck

@gbade.x,

someone sent me mail telling me to stop arguing back and forth with you that you will never listen but i told him never to worry that since youve decided to be exceeding your limit in your religion, i wont hesitate in bringing out the fraud, lies in your bible.

u cannot accept jesus in the holy quran and condenmed the Allah of the same book, its either you accept the two or you ignore the two and mind you, as long as God in the bible is different from Allah, so also jesus in the quran from that of the bible.

my efforts here is not intended to deride christians (i have scores of them as friends and we respect each other's faith) and certainly not to mock jesus (be upon him) and his teachings. (Allah forbids). The intent is obviously to point out that false charges, misrepresentations, lies, frauds against Allah and his prophets, are in themselves derisive and constitute disbelief.

we will see who the real liar is and who needs doctor.

shahan and davidylan, as long as you continue exceeding your limit forgetting to mend the holes in your religion, babs wont hesitate in bringing out the lies, frauds in your bible, for you is your religion and for me, my religion and never exceed your limit.

in addition, according to lafile labelling me liar, we will see the real liars and never run away the debate is just starting.

do justice to the above question

NOTE:

since you all, shahan, babyosis, davidylane etc have made the habit of re-bringing questions cos i can still remember vividly when olabowale thrashed out the same issue with havila, but still shahan brought the same questions, but if it were babs, they would be saying babs has nothing to offer but re-bringing issues, i will be very happy if you answer the questions above and when you do that, i have questions for you on:

1. jesus dying for your sin.
2. cruci fix-tion or cruc fi-ction
3. jesus being sent to the whole world
4. jesus as the ony begotten son (john 3v16)
5. jesus as saviour.
6. step by step fraud or absurdities in the bible
7. jesus as God

but the above will be thrown at you when you answer the questions above.

the debate gets interesting each day

we will see the real liars as time goes on.

Still on the 2nd coming of jesus christ. stay hooked on readers and see the real liars

@davidylan,

you are now sayin you just brought out an opinion. didnt you go through your response to muske when she asked you on 'who wrote the last chapters of the two books', u said the subordinates might have penned down the last chapters.

also you also said no bok were given to both of them whereas your sister brought verses buttressing my point that books were given to both of them.

now for you and shahan,

add this to your alreay given questions, uve been saying he was crucified, lets start the viewing from here.

1. where did the second denial take lace?
a. was to a maid in the gateway (mark 14v69)
b. was to another maid in the porch (mathew 26v71)
c. was to a man (luke 22v58)

2. who carry the cross to the golgotta
a. simon of cyrene carried it (mathew 27v32, luke 23v26)
b. jesus carried the cross by himself (john 19v17)

3. how many thief reviled jesus?
a. both the two thieves (mathew 27vv44)
b. one out of the two thieves (luke23v49-50)

4. when was the curtain turned?
a. after the cry (mark 15v34-38, mathew 27v46-52)
b. one time (luke 23v45-46)

let me stop here in order for you to respond.

Shahan,

we will see who the liar really is since youve made the habit of calling babs a liar (including lafile in her post) and who the curse will hang on?

gbade.x,

just hold on. we will see who really need the doctor

@bari_kade,

am not peturbed by your post.keep it up, we will see who will carry the curse.

davidylan,

your sister said you were wrong that it was penned down by both of them but she failed to note the pronoun and the tensed used. professor shaan.

shahan,

bring over your lenghty response and i will respond. it was your brother that kicked against torah and injeel (maybe you were not wit your glasses to read between lines) that nothing were like the two. go over my response up and get back to me dont forget your name calling, its allowed.

@SHAHAN,

@shahan,

firstly, you may resort to name calling and use of disgusting language for all i care. i tried curtailing your uncultured manner of response but the dog that wants to get lost will never listen to the whistle of its owner.yours wasnt the first and wont be last.how do you talk to someone that didnt receive adequate training during her youthful days let alone learn how to relate with people except resorting to name calling and using disgusting statement on every muslims that deemed fit to ask questions.you can never change a rotten soul no matter how hard you try.

to your post.

seeing your lenghy response, one would assumed that you have responded to the issue at hand. now, if i am not digressing, the you and i were talking about muhammed and i asked you to tell me

now i can see that you really ignored the questions on

) although babs787 actually thought he would win applause by his calumny against Jesus Christ, he has only ended up proving he is an incorrigible liar that will stoop so low and stop at nothing in his fallacious exercise. As he is often known to say, "MAY GOD’S ANGER BE ON LIARS", and "MAY LIARS NEVER PROSPER" - so I have left him to carry his own curses upon himself for his lies exposed above.


the above curse hangs on as long as you fail in giving me response on the below

1. was abu bakr a blood relative of the prophet
2. i asked you if aisha was a blood relative of the prophet, u never said anything.

secondly you never said anything on the false prophesied about the second coming of jesus christ.

thirdly i said jesus lied and u said no, what do you say to the below

john 7v8-10: On the feast of the tabernacles, jesus replied his brothers: go to the feast yourselves, I AM NOT GOING UP THE FEAST, and after his brothers were gone HE ALSO WENT UP, NOT PUBLICLY BUT IN PRIVATE

also
what do you say to the below
. jesus coming never materialises
mathew 10v23: but when they persecute you in this city, flee ye unto another city, for verily, i say unto you, ye shall not have gone over the cities of israel, till the son of man be come.

the disciples of jesus fled and have now perished for 2000 years, with no sign of the return of jesus.

2. prediction of early 2nd coming was unfilfilled
mathew 24v29-30: , the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory and he will send out his angel with a loud trumphet call, truly i say to you, THIS GENERATION WILL NOT PASS AWAT TILL A THESE THINGS TAKE PLACE.

but all the generations have perished and hardly could we fnd any of them again, yet jesus hasnt come.

3. paul expectation not fulfilled.
paul counted himself among those who will be alive durng the second coming of jesus. he even counted himself among those who will meet him in the air

1st thesalonian 4V17: and the death in christ will rise first, then WE WHO ARE ALIVE, WHO ARE LEFT, SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR.

but paul has died and almost 21st century after jesus has not appeared with his heavenly host.

U NEVER SAID ANYTHING ON THOSE

lastly i asked you about the person that wrote the last part of the book of joshua and deutronomy, u said it was penned down by both moses and joshua.

professor, didnt you notice the pronoun and the tense used? he was buried and not he will be buried. they prophesised their death. so davidylan uve seen it, you are 100% wrong o, they wrote themselves.

i thought you are a professor in english language but where has your power of comprehension gone to? where in my post did i go againt both injeel and torah.

it was your brother that said nothing like those two were revealed. it seems davidylan, you have to step aside for your sister since you failed my question telling me that no book was given to both of them whereas your sister said so. u have to step aside for your professor.


professor shahan, address the issue of failed prophesy as listed above and also that of jesus telling his disciples that he wasnt going anywhere but went.

also on the relationship between abu bakr and prophet and aish with prophet, maybe related by blood as being put by you

lastly, professor i want you to answer me since i dont know and i need knowledge on the below

What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?

He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

After (Mark 14:12-17)
Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)

To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?

To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)

DO JUSTICE TO THAT.

@shahan,

stay hooked on till babs comes your way

@lafile,

be expecting my post to your biased post.

stay focused till i come your way

DAVIDYLAN,

Here you go again. "Jesus as God" has been treated in one of the posts so i wont dive into that.

You are better advised not to dive into that because you can NEVER understand that concept neither do you have any convincing evidence to back up your islamically fraudulent claims!

You are advising her not to go into it in order for you not to start what you wont be able to justify.

Quote from: muske on January 26, 2007, 11:39 AM
Jesus coming to die for your sin, dying on the cross, will Insha Allah be treated separately.

You have nothing beyond the mere words of an itinerant murderer who lied and manipulated the truth in order to blind thousands of followers! If Islam says Jesus did not die on the cross, on what evidence does it base its claims?

If you are interested in that and also want to debunk the claim that jesus did not die on the cross (was never crucified), let me know and we thrash it out, you and i.

God in the flesh came down to die for our sins NOT to bring another of your famous books!

brother, stop saying the blasphemous statement above because you failed in supplying proof to back it up.

Quote from: muske on January 26, 2007, 11:39 AM
1. The new testament was NOT and is NOT a new law different from that given in the old testament. Read the bible rather than cluctching unto straws:
Matt 5: 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Christ came NOT to bring a new law but to fulfill the old law!

davidyan, i intentionally copied the above, it will be used when the time comes. i copied it in order to lay emphasis on what you said that the OT is not a NEW LAW different from NT. You are really tying yourself, just like your sister shahan.
stay focused

davidyan,
The scripture is given by inspiration of God to the early prophets and apostles who were divinely moved on to write down their experiences for us who were to come to serve as our examples! It is not a monologue by a God "dictating irrelevant stories and lies" to another fraudulent impostor!

yes, its as a result of the inspiration by men of God that we are having verses going against each other (contradictions), a verse saying 6pm while another saying 3pm. INSPIRATION FROM GOD WRITTEN BY MEN OF GOD.

D[b]avidylan,
Quote from: muske on January 26, 2007, 11:39 AM
B. Do you consider the below as inspired words of God?
1.2nd Timothy 4v9: , 'do your diligence to come shortly unto. The CLOAK that I left at Troas with Carpus, WHEN YOU COME, BRING WITH YOU, AND THE BOOKS, BUT ESPECIALLY THE PARCHMENTS.[/b]

simple question was asked on whether the above is part of the word of God, rather than answer yes or no, you went about writing irrelevant storiesand beating about the bush. the question is whether the above should be accepted as the word of God, period and secondly what des the above teach us based on your verse quoted (1 Corinthians 10: 11)

davidylan,
Even a 6 yr old will tell you this "question" makes no absolute sense! Of course since you are in the darkness you can't gain any experience from the above. The bible is an example ONLY TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SAVED!

it wont make sense to you because you have no answer to the above.you have been saying that your bible is 100% inspirational word from God. do justice to the above if its part of the inspirational word of God.

so you dont know who wrote your books, professor davilan.so moses wrote 33 chapters while his subordinates completed the last chapter, huh and likewise the book of joshua too.very clever!

NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT IT MUST HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY THE SUBORDINATES
WHILE
YOUR FEMALE VERSION (SHAHAN) TOLD ME THAT
MOSES AND JOSHUA PENNED THE CHAPTERS BY THEMSELVES.

who are we to believe between both of you professors. I have already accepted both (moses wrote it by himself and somebody writing it for him) because you really followed the example of your bible in which a verse may say something happened at 4pm and another will say no, it happened around 9pm (funny set of people).

more power to your elbow for failing in addressing the questions posed at you.

coming soon : step by step fraud in the bible or absurdities in the bible.

stay glued.

@babysis,

escapist. How do you want me to address you deaconess babysin.

Shahan,

you are really a failure.You still have the gut to talk despite the unanswered questions thrown at you. You should be ashamed of yourself by now and bury your head in shame. You levelled allegations in which i responded and asked you questions but you failed woefully in responding. Am still very much around when you are able to put yourself together.

cheers

gbade.x

what truth are you referring to here? is the falsehood perpetrated by you and your cohorts. Questions were thrown at you on jesus dying for the sin of mankind, crucifixtion or crucifiction, jesus being sent to the whole world, contradictions in the bible etc but all you could do was beat around the bush.

i could remember in one of the threads in which a question was thrown at shahan on 'who wrote the last part of the bok of deutronomy and joshua respectively. Shahan told me IT WAS MOSES AND JOSHUA THAT WROTE ABOUT THEIR OWN DEATH WHILE
Davidylan in another thread SAID IT WAS THEIR SUBORDINATES THAT WROTE THE BOOKS FOR THEM. now, do you call those 'answers'.

also the issue of pedolphine has been debunked couple of times but you still go about bringing the same issue all over again.

Gbade.x, no muslim will ever run from your questions. Even the issue of 101 cntradictions i brought then was never answered and when i also posed some questions to shahan, all she could do was avoiding my questions saying they were copied (funny set of people).

also in one of my threads tagged '101 contradictions', my 101 was quite different from the shabir's (babyosis' author) but babysis copied shabir's post and told said she was told by shabir to ignore the a certain verse in the quran use for measuring the authenticity of any holy book.

Like i said in one of my posts, i have lorry loads of questions for every fraud in christianity ranging from crucifixtion, jesus as saviour to jesus being sent to the world, i can bet you that by the time we slug it out one after the other, you will be the one to tear your bible having detected the fraud, fantasies etc.

lastly, if you christians think that your religion is the best and surest way to achieving eternity, goodluck and stick to it but never go beyond your limit with regards to quoting blindly and out of context, i.e. trying to teach the religion you have no in-depth knowledge because if you think that you can write all sorts of jargons against my faith, you are a big failure because i will teach you my religion and your christianity too.

If you do not stop going beyond your limit, i will not stop too in exposing the lies, frauds etc in the bible.

a word is enough for the wise, for you is your religion and for me is my religion and do not go beyond your limit.

good luck

@gbade.x

really?

[quote author=gbade. x link=topic=37967.msg852922#msg852922 date=1170139808]@ shahan:

i understand where you're coming from. I love discussions where both parties trash out issues. The work/responsibility of every Christian, that is apologetics, setting issues straight shouldn't be ignored. That i agree.

But when the other party refuses to budge/let go of pre-conceived notions in the face of overwhelming evidence from the Scriptures, then it's best to let that individual be. . . .and like i once said, let the Holy Spirit do his thang i.e convict that person of the Gospel/truth that you said. I hope u get my drift.

Take for example, the case of babs787, a.k.a BLABS787 who does a loada sh*t-talking (please, excuse the language). If you can recall the numerous threads he put up to undermine Christianity - when all his distorted theories where appropiately debunked by y'all, answers where given to his "questions", please what happened? The dude still refused to back down in the face of truth, probably due to ego or something. When known facts from the Quran about Prophet Mo' where laid out, he quicky reverted to the "you all hate muslims" ideology.

How many times has their claims about Apostle Paul been debunked, and yet they keep harping on the same issue? How many times has verses from the Quran been shown, telling believers to slaughter kaffirs, showing Mo's marrying a 9yr old, and yet they choose to ignore such statements/direct verses from the Quran?

How many times has it been that when faced with a critical analysis of their Prophet, the Quran, the Hadith, certain practices in  Islam, they shy away and are quick to adopt an agressive nature and the "you people hate muslims" chant and escapist methods?


Truth is, when one has done his/her part, it's time to pray the Holy Spirit convicts such a person, 'because  no matter how many times u keep saying the same thing, they will always be spiritually blind.


what truth are you referring to here? is the falsehood perpetrated by you and your cohorts. Questions were thrown at you on jesus dying for the sin of mankind, crucifixtion or crucifiction, jesus being sent to the whole world, contradictions in the bible etc but all you could do was beat around the bush.

i could remember in one of the threads in which a question was thrown at shahan on 'who wrote the last part of the bok of deutronomy and joshua respectively. Shahan told me IT WAS MOSES AND JOSHUA THAT WROTE ABOUT THEIR OWN DEATH WHILE
Davidylan in another thread SAID IT WAS THEIR SUBORDINATES THAT WROTE THE BOOKS FOR THEM. now, do you call those 'answers'.

also the issue of pedolphine has been debunked couple of times but you still go about bringing the same issue all over again.

Gbade.x, no muslim will ever run from your questions. Even the issue of 101 cntradictions i brought then was never answered and when i also posed some questions to shahan, all she could do was avoiding my questions saying they were copied (funny set of people).

also in one of my threads tagged '101 contradictions', my 101 was quite different from the shabir's (babyosis' author) but babysis copied shabir's post and told said she was told by shabir to ignore the a certain verse in the quran use for measuring the authenticity of any holy book.

Like i said in one of my posts, i have lorry loads of questions for every fraud in christianity ranging from crucifixtion, jesus as saviour to jesus being sent to the world, i can bet you that by the time we slug it out one after the other, you will be the one to tear your bible having detected the fraud, fantasies etc.

lastly, if you christians think that your religion is the best and surest way to achieving eternity, goodluck and stick to it but never go beyond your limit with regards to quoting blindly and out of context, i.e. trying to teach the religion you have no in-depth knowledge because if you think that you can write all sorts of jargons against my faith, you are a big failure because i will teach you my religion and your christianity too.

If you do not stop going beyond your limit, i will not stop too in exposing the lies, frauds etc in the bible.

a word is enough for the wise, for you is your religion and for me is my religion and do not go beyond your limit.

good luck[/quote]

babysin,

Is that all.

howrprepared are you for my questions because you never said anything on that but wasting time on already concluded issue.

swell weekend too

@fadenike,

there is no need to curse in order to defend the death if its based on truth(the crucifixtion), just show them your proof, shikena and they will accept it as being the truth.

was he crucified or tied to a stake?

do we have any proof to back his crucifixtion sister?

stay blessed.

backslider et al,

My request  has not been granted on having questions for you on each topics on which the foundation of christianity is laid.

backslider,

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@bab787

The bible condemns sin in all its Entirety. We don't compell people to follow the bible with swords. Let us look at Muhamed of the prophet Of allah he had sex with a 9 year old girl let us discuss. He would have had sex with her at six you know he did not why?.

Will you have and nurture Erotic love for a 9 old for 3 years.

i doubt it if you have been following this thread. Questions have been asked and answers have been supplied but you still dwelved into already answered issue. If you dont have anything to ask again, you are free to leave the thread for those that have sensible questions

and if you cant comprehend for your lack of vision, read the thread from up and get back to me, then i will answer you.

Peace

@babysin,

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bellottiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
your brother has gone mad again.

I can see that you are really a follower jesus. Am not suprised at your looseness. Like I said, most of you here are not cultured. When it gets to Muslim-Dialogue, rather than respond, you devised strategies, running away from issues and opening your mouth saying blasphemous statement.I wonder you are coping with your very unfortunate husband with your uncultured manner.

Jesus is Lord.
David oya you must say something here
who has the time to read this whole piece of jargon?

Piece of Jargon!I dont care who reads or who doesnt. I can see that you are really blind.If not that you are blind, didnt you see the post of your sister shahan but when i tried replying her allegations, you went wild and started misbahaving. It is tit-for-tat.

please shahan and co, take it easy on him.
I don't want to live with the guilt of aiding someone go off the deep end.
never mind babysin, let her come with her insensible allegations again having debunked all her claims up.

One last thing to you, in the multitude of words there wanteth no sin! Posting copious amounts of verbiage that makes a mockery of didactic reasoning such as yours will not help you in your quest to pooh pooh over the gaping inconsistencies, lies, fraud and immoral acts that pervade the quran and its prophet!

copious amount of verbage. Well, you sister threw allegations and I responded her but your being brain-washed has deluded you to the extent of not being able to read posts. If you still have questions, the door is opened.

If it's on another page,copy and paste it in your reply,highlight it then click on the 2nd icon, bottom row abovefrom your right that says "insert quote"
then babble away.

thanks for that. I have been trying that but my system doesnt insert quotes any time i try inserting.

I can see that you have no questions apart from the issue of Aisha.

I even laughed when one of your brothers, backslider posted wrong verses in one of the threads but when muske responded, your babysin had to admit your guilt and quoting of wrong verses on behalf of your brother.

Hey, i wonder why are we having rampant cases of gay marriages in churches and GAY BISHOPS among christians despite the fact that Jesus wasnt one. CHRISTIANITY IS REALLY A RELIGION

Also my request up has not been granted on having questions for you on each topics in which the foundation of christianity is laid.

@shahan,


Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
1[b]. Was Muhammad a pedophile?

. . . the definition of a paedophile is someone who is "sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent children", thus Prophet Muhammad—salla Allahu 'alayhi wa salam—certainly wasn't one.

Question #1
Would you, babs787, consider giving your 6 y.o. daughter to a 50 y.o. man to have sex with when she is 9 y.o. in the name of Allah?[/b]

response to question 1.
consider giving your 6 y.o. daughter to a 50 y.o. man to have sex with when she is 9 y.o.
What was Prophet's age then?
question 2
What was Mary's age when she conceived jesus?

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:

a. To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).
b. To educate and train Aisha for the purposes of Islam.
c. To utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

Question #2
a. how many underaged children did Muhammad marry in order to reinforce his ties with his companions?
b. how many 9 y.o. girls did Muhammad have to take to bed to educate them with the purposes of Islam?
c. how many 9 y.o. girls did Muhammad have sex with in order to utilize their capabilities for the sake of islam?

response to question 2
TO YOUR ABOVE QUESTIONS:
a. give me the name and the age of each claimed above.
b. give me the name and age of each taken to bed.
c. give me the name and age of each 9 year old he had sex with.

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18: 48 PM
Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahy (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet. "He said, 'I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that, " Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p. 285.

Question #3
Was this after Muhammad snatched her from her parents, or before he took her to bed and had sex with her?

response to Question 3
1.provide your proof that he snatched her from her parents without their consent

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
Aisha (r.a.) was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

Question #4
Was the poor girl of 9 years old aware that Muhammad's "Allah" was the chief deity besides the 3 daughter goddesses?

response to question 4.
provide your proof.

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
By the way, shahan, babysin, havila, malik, davidlan, mrpataki, if you insist on maintaining, in spite of the evidence, that Prophet Muhammad—salla Allahu 'alayhi wa salam—was a paedophile, then sound logic dictates that Jesus Christ—'alayhi as-salam—gave tacit approval to paedophilia. I know that this might be a bitter pill to swallow, but if you'd do some research (and don't worry, I'm not holding my breath), you'd find that marrying girls at the outset of puberty were very much the norm in first century Palestine (i.e. the time in which Jesus lived)—puberty being taken as a biological sign that a woman was ready to bear children.

Question #5
Can you please reference from the Bible itself that Jesus encountered any case of anyone taking 6 year olds as wives and the having sex with them at 9 years of age?

response to question 5
what was mary's age when she conceived jesus.
also go and research about the age daughters were given out in marriage during arabs, jewish era, and when you do that, get in touch with me.

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
However, there's nothing in the four gospels which indicates that Jesus—'alayhi as-salam—ever spoke out against people in his largely Jewish society marrying girls at puberty.

True that - and nothing suggests either that He ever tolerated pedophilia.

i can see that you are really sick. the definition of pedolphia had been given, or maybe you give me your own definition of pedolphia. Jesus came to israelite telling them about the oneness of God and also telling them to eschew sin. Now Shahan, If pedolphia was common then, dont you think jesus would have talked about it since he denounced most sinful things being perpetrated then?

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
2. Did Muhammad commit incest (sex with his relation)?

. . .shahan, ask for God’s forgiveness before saying and posting anything on nairaland because there are wise and knowledgeable Muslims and Christians on nairaland and you don’t have to lie in other to be accepted.

At least they can all see I didn't lie by quoting the references from the Qur'an, unless the Qur'an and Hadiths are actual frauds.

can you post the meaning of INCEST here for people to read if its different from mine below?
based on my dictionary meaning:
Incest: sexual intercourse of kindred within forbidden degrees
Kindred: of the same family related by blood. (both from Collins English dictionary)

Incest: sexual intercourse between persons too closely related for legal marriage (Webster Comprehensive Dictionary)

If your meaning is no way different from mine, my questions still goes:

1. Was Abu Bakr a relative of Prophet Muhammed or were they related by blood?
2. Was Aisha a relative of Muhammed or were they related by blood?
3. Where was the threat in his tone.

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
Based on the definition above on what incest is and the verse you wrote up, I have questions for you.
1. Was Abu Bakr a relative of Prophet Muhammed or were they related by blood?
2. Was Aisha a relative of Muhammed or were they related by blood?
3. Where was the threat in his tone.

Find the answers in the verses quoted:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18
Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

question
still the same questions and i need response from you
1. Was Abu Bakr a relative of Prophet Muhammed or were they related by blood?
2. Was Aisha a relative of Muhammed or were they related by blood?
3. Where was the threat in his tone.


Question #6
Why did Abu Bakr initially object to Muhammad's lust for underaged Aisha?

still the same three questions as above and i need your response


Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
You will never understand the above because your religion christianity never allowed you to do so since you don’t have such in it.

That's true - for my brother m4malik would never even contemplate taking me to bed, if that's what Islam teaches you.

response to question 6
the same questions apply here too.
1. Was Abu Bakr a relative of Prophet Muhammed. or put in another way,were they related by blood?
2. Was Aisha a relative of Muhammed or put in another way,were they related by blood?

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Well the obvious answer to why they waited some three years between the betrothal and the consummation of the marriage is that they were waiting for their daughter to reach adulthood—which is, as already demonstrated above, clearly defined as puberty.

Didn't you read that aisha had a disease where her hair fell out.
Muhammad din't want to contract whatever disease she had,he had no choice but to wait.

SO SHE HAD A DISEASE FOR THREE YEARS?

[b]And babs if you honestly think women reach puberty at nine then you are sicker than I thought.

Well, i dont give a damn about your rudeness. your predecessor did same and yours will not be the last as long as this site exists.

i can see that you are not with your senses and sick in the head, because if you are okay, you would have read my response above. i only pity you, you continue wallowing in your ignorance. go and meet your pope and ask him to tell you how marriage rite is being performed during the era of jesus christ.

also, find out from him the age of mary when she conceived jesus.

also find out from him the minimum age the arabs and the jews then give out their daughter in marriage.

[b]Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
I even read with amusement how you Christians on nairaland attack each other despite the fact that you called yourselves Christians. The above quote unlike Christians in which catholic goes against Pentecostal, Jehovah witnesses against protestant etc, we Muslims are brothers IN FAITH (ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM). The prophet said that “we Muslims are like blocks when laying foundation and when building house, anything that affects any of the blocks, affects the other too, so likewise we Muslims. He also said “you shall not attain piety unless you wish for your brother what you wish for yourself”. I advise you to find and read about BROTHERHOOD IN ISLAM.

Titters. This "brotherhood" in the disguised monotheism of the bedouin errand-boy doesn't seem to be helping your drivel in the face of the Shiites cleaning the Sunis off the face of the earth; nevermind that the Wahhabis are just waiting in the wings to clean both groups off when the dust settles! My pity is for the remaining 68 or 69 factions that not many people know about, because they're just spectators to the whole Islamo-terror drama.[/b]

regardless of the fight between sunis and shiites, we still have our same "articles of faith" and also we still read the same Quran and not different as in Jehovah witness bible different from Catholic bible and also King James different from Revised Standard Version and all claiming to have been inspired!!

also, we believe in the five pillars of Islam namely (1) IMAN (2) SOLAAT (3) ZAKAT (4) FASTING IN THE MONTH OF RAMADHAN (5) PILGRIMAGE TO MECCA. here, the jehovah witness are saying jesus wasnt crucified but tied to a stake while others hold on to crucifixtion. also catholic bible comprises 72 books while others 66. am very sure God's curse will surely be on either party because God cursed whoever add or remove from his sayings etc

As for the various denominations in Christianity, whatever could be blamed against them, at least true believers in them know for a certain that their faith in Jesus Christ enables them pursue true righteousness on earth, with a solid hope in the home of righteousness above.


which faith are you talking about here? [b]Is it faith in the sense that people were butchered for their denunciation of trinity or the faith of crucifixtion and tied to a stake or the faith in which Jehovah witness cannot enter and worship with Catholic or white garment worshipping with Protestants. FAITH INDEED.
if you care to know, these are the people killed for denouncing TRINITY
ponthinus Bishop of Lyons and other dissenting Christians killed while a petition was pending before the pope to show merc to them.
saint Iraneus was killed in 200 AD
Leonidias, father of Oregen who founded a theological school, was killed
clement the head of the school fled from alexandria to save his life
oregen was arrested and tortured to death in 154 A.D.
lucian was tortured to death in 312 A.D
Arius was poisoned in 336 A.D
St. john chryssostom was deliberately killed by enforced travelling on foot on snow covered ground
pampilus was arrested tortured and killed in 309 A.D

now, coming into the modern age, we find the number of Unitarians increasing rapidly. the church re-acted in a very brutal manner. some of te important unitarians who suffered imprinsonment or death are:

michael servetus burnt alive 1559
fausto Sozini was thrown into the sea but saved
francis david died in prison, 1579
john biddle died in prision, 1662
thomas emlyn, died in prison, 1741
joseph priestley had his house, laboratory and church burnt to ashes but he escaped to USA. HE DISCOVERED OXYGEN.
Arius was expelled out of the Empire, excommunicateD out of the church (He was the leader of the unitarian movement, 250-336A.D.) and murdered.
peter waldo had to flee in 1184
john wyclef (1408) (oxford theologian who commissioned the translation of the latin valgate bible into english) was declared wanted. he rushed out of the country but hundreds of his followers were burnt to death.

these and many more still coming your way

also hope you will recall how our ancestors were forced into christianity (through mission schools) in Africa by forcing them to change their names to christian names and forcing religion on them. [/b]

more coming on that later in order not to digress

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
3. Did Muhammad use the Qur'an as an licence for his lewd incest?

a.Can you bring out one issue of rape perpetrated by Prophet Muhammed (saw)?

Did you miss the "booties" (prisoners of war with whom Muhammad and his companions indiscriminately had sex with)?

question
i need the proof please (the issue of rape)

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
5. Was Muhammad driven by sex even during his spiritual activities?

I advise you to go and get book on etiquette of fasting. So you don’t know that someone may kiss one’s wife during fasting. IGNORANCE IS TRULY A DISEASE.

. . . and I don't envy your ignorance, trust me. Pardon me as well if I don't fancy the vocation of a "prophet" sucking the tongue of a child-bride under the guise of fasting - who was he fasting to: his under-aged bride or his cheif deity "Allah"? Is this not the same "prophet" who alluded to the idea that three things distract a Muslim man in prayer - a dog, a woman and a horse?? Your ignorance is actually some kind of bling-bliss!

you have really shown your level of ignorance. like i said, i still refer you to the book on fasting and there you will read the 'dos' and 'donts' of fasting.

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
The above quote is telling you the relationship between husband and wife with regards to when a husband comes from a journey and shouldn’t do anything with the wife until she shaves and have her hair combed. What is the issue of prophet here?

Do you have more than Muhammad as Islam's last-day prophet? One doesn't have to imagine things like a biology professor to understand that Muhammad's mind was always woven with sexcapades.

I can see that you are really suffering from comprehension.

this is the quote again.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 173
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "If you enter (your town) at night (after coming from a journey), do not enter upon your family till the woman whose husband was absent (from the house) shaves her pubic hair and the woman with unkempt hair, combs her hair" Allah's Apostle further said, "(O Jabir!) Seek to have offspring, seek to have offspring!"

where has your knowledge gone to? why cant you understand simple sentence. the quote says, "The Prophet said" and also "if you" meaning he was talking to some people. NA WA O PROFESSOR SHAHAN.

b]Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
4. Did Muhammad respect the dowry rites in Aisha's case when he snatched her from her parents?.

Shahan, to you, does that mean there was no dowry rites because sheep or camel wasn’t slaughtered? Did u say snatched, where was that liar also can you tell me the age of her then?

Sometimes I wonder if you just have a penchant for wasting pages and everyone's time. No wonder not many people have the patience to read your lengthy drivel; but keep it up - it might come in handy for your Ph.D in IDT after this level. When you follow the report already quoted carefully, where was it in that verse that a dowry was paid on Aisha's behalf?[/b]

shahan, you may call me any names for all i care. i asked u a simple question you couldnt answer. i asked you to give it to me where Prophet snatched Aisha, you couldnt provide but all you could do was name calling, fool.

i still ask you again,
provide your proof on snatching of Aisha

If you still need the story of Aisha, i can provide you and stop hallucinating.

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
7. What was Muhammad's view of women in his sexual adventures?

I don’t blame you much because you bible never explained this to you, its incomplete copied, added, subtracted, plagiarized etc. That’s why the Holy Quran is called the complete and last revelation, it contains everything you may be needing.

Right - you mean, like the abrogated verses of the Qur'an that proved too embarrassing for Muhammad; the half truths that he gave his companions that weren't for him personally (for the same reason); and the political redaction of the present Qur'an after the third Caliph Uthman burnt all the extant copies of his day after Muhammad's death, because he feared the obvious dubious duplicity was threatening the so-called coherence of Muhammad's brigand??

sure, just like some verses contradicting each other in the same bible; some verses present in some versions while expunged in others; old testament attributed to moses in which case it wasnt his, also new testament attributed to jesus but wasnt his, romans, corinthians down to revelations included as part of the Gospel of jesus.

and the political redaction of the present Qur'an after the third Caliph Uthman burnt all the extant copies of his day after Muhammad's death, because he feared the obvious dubious duplicity was threatening the so-called coherence of Muhammad's brigand??

that's the more reason we are having different versions of the bible not agreeing . anyone can just wake up and produce his own bible as 'inspired book of God".

In 1990, 'women bible' came and appeared in America and all places in other bibles where the word 'father' is used was changed to 'mother'.

also in 1996, another version of the bible came out namely 'new age bible versions' where the condemned jesus' blood as their saviour. the author was Profeessor G.A. Riplinger.

(ALL THOSE COMING ON THE ORIGIN OF THE BIBLE)

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
No wonder jesus said he needed to go so that the “paraclete’ will come and tell you things which he failed to tell you because he was never allowed to talk then. The holy spirit that you Christians referred to as the paraclete has never told you new things aside those of jesus’

Haven't we been through this before - with conclusive evidence to show how Muhammad failed the test and so will stand before theLord Jesus Christ to be judged in that Day?

please i need your proof to show that jesus will judge and that Prophet will also stand before jesus on that day.

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
8. Where was Muhammad when he received the verses of the Qur'an:
. . .
The first vision was followed by a considerable period, during which Muhammad suffered much mental depression. The angel spoke to the grieved heart of hope and trust and of the bright future when he would see the people of the earth crowding into the one true faith. His destiny was unfolded to him, when, wrapped in profound meditation, melancholy and sad, he felt himself called by a voice from heaven to arise and preach.

The first vision was followed by a considerable period, during which Muhammad suffered much mental depression. The angel spoke to the grieved heart of hope and trust and of the bright future when he would see the people of the earth crowding into the one true faith. His destiny was unfolded to him, when, wrapped in profound meditation, melancholy and sad, he felt himself called by a voice from heaven to arise and preach. O you (Muhammad) enveloped (in garments)! Arise and warn! And your Lord (Allah) magnify! (74:1-3 Quran) He arose and engaged himself in the work to which he was called. Khadijah was the first to accept his mission. She was to believe in the revelations, to abandon the idolatry of her people and to join him in purity of heart and in offering up prayers to Allah the Almighty.

Skill, they say, is not an essential commodity among R-IQs like you, babs787. Nevermind that you have an MIDT, but look again at the emboldened words, and ask yourself if something is not missing in a Qur'an produced by a man of mental depression, profound melancholy and sadness! I may not possess the essential skill to state the obvious, but thanks for rising up to the status of your degree!

am not suprised at you escapist. i have given you part of the story of His Prophethood but you still feigned ignorance.

also provide proof to back your post up

THIS IS THE STORY AGAIN, LIAR

The first vision was followed by a considerable period, during which Muhammad suffered much mental depression. The angel spoke to the grieved heart of hope and trust and of the bright future when he would see the people of the earth crowding into the one true faith. His destiny was unfolded to him, when, wrapped in profound meditation, melancholy and sad, he felt himself called by a voice from heaven to arise and preach. O you (Muhammad) enveloped (in garments)! Arise and warn! And your Lord (Allah) magnify! (74:1-3 Quran) He arose and engaged himself in the work to which he was called. Khadijah was the first to accept his mission. She was to believe in the revelations, to abandon the idolatry of her people and to join him in purity of heart and in offering up prayers to Allah the Almighty.

IF YOU STILL NEED MORE

At the beginning of his mission, Muhammad - hereinafter called the Prophet - opened his soul only to those who were attached to him and tried to free them from the gross practices of their forefathers. After Khadijah, his cousin' Ali was the next companion. The Prophet used often to go into the desert around Mecca with his wife and young cousin that they might together offer their heart felt thanks to the Lord of all nations for His manifold blessings. Once they were surprised by Abu Talib, the father of 'Ali. He said to the Prophet: "O son of my brother, what is this religion you are following?" "It is the religion of Allah of His Angels, of His Messengers and of our ancestor Abraham," answered the Prophet. "Allah has sent me to His servants, to direct them towards the truth, and you, O my uncle, are the most worthy of all. It is meet that I should thus call upon you and it is meet that you should accept the truth and help in spreading it."

For three weary long years, the Prophet labored very quietly to deliver his people from the worship of idols. Polytheism was deeply rooted among the people. It offered attractions, which the new faith in its purity did not possess. The Quraish had personal material interests in the old worship, and their prestige was dependent upon its maintenance. The Prophet had to contend with the idolatrous worship of its followers and to oppose the ruling oligarchy, which governed its destinies.

After three years of constant but quiet struggle, only thirty followers were secured. An important change now occurred in the relations of the Prophet with the citizens of Mecca. His compatriots had begun to doubt his sanity, thinking him crazy or possessed by an evil spirit. Hitherto he preached quietly and unobtrusively. He now decided to appeal publicly to the Meccans, requesting them to abandon their idolatry. For this he arranged a gathering on a neighboring hill and there spoke to them of their folly in the sight of Allah in worshipping pieces of stone which they called their gods. He invited them to abandon their old impious worship and adopt the faith of love, truth and purity. He warned them of the fate that had overtaken past races who had not heeded the preaching of former prophets. But the gathering departed without listening to the warning given them by the Prophet.

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Now the Prophet and his followers became subject to some persecution and indignity. The hostile Quraish prevented the Prophet from offering his prayers at the Sacred House of the Ka'ba; they pursued him wherever he went; they covered him and his disciples with dirt and filth when engaged in their devotions; they scattered thorns in the places which he frequented for devotion and meditation. Amidst all these trials the Prophet did not waver. He was full of confidence in his mission, even when on several occasions he was put in imminent danger of losing his life.

ARE U SATISFIED. CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME THE DETAILED STORY OF JESUS IN THE BIBLE?

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
O you (Muhammad) enveloped (in garments)! Arise and warn! And your Lord (Allah) magnify! (74:1-3 Quran) He arose and engaged himself in the work to which he was called. Khadijah was the first to accept his mission. She was to believe in the revelations, to abandon the idolatry of her people and to join him in purity of heart and in offering up prayers to Allah the Almighty.

Wonderful that Khadijah was the first disciple of Muhammad's mental depression! Elsewhere, I've helped the case to prove that Muhammad's "Allah" was no more than the cheif deity of his 3 daughter goddesses; so it was only a refined form of the paganistic polytheism of the Orient world that Khadijah swallowed. Poor woman: if only she knew!

PROVIDE your proof.

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
, DO U STILL NEED MORE ABOUT HIS LIFE HISTORY, IF U DO, LET ME KNOW

Don't we know enough to evaluate for ourselves that the bedoiun errand-boy of the cheif deity "Allah" was nothing more than a fraud and the quintessential sex pervert he demonstrated himself to be in his career??

i pray for God's fogiveness for your soul. i want you to provide me the proof where "Allah was nothing but a fraud"

quintessential sex pervert he demonstrated himself to be in his career??

it has been answered. you have no questions to ask except on the issue of Aisha.

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
[b]9. In all of this, did Muhammad feel righteous or sinful about his career?
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Based on the above , I don’t have much to say on that, its Allah that knows. Jesus of the bible was even accused of lying likewise the prophets in the bible accused of one thing or the other ranging from fornication, incest to killing innocent souls.

Where can you prove that those accusations against Jesus actually proved true? In Muhammad's case, every single allegation so far was proven to a point. In fairness, I'd say that the only sane thing in all your thesis you've managed to intone is the sincerity in the last line: you don't have much to say on Muhammad's self-confessed sinfulness.

really, read the below

1. jesus was accused of stealing in
john 7v8-10: On the feast of the tabernacles, jesus replied his brothers: go to the feast yourselves, I AM NOT GOING UP THE FEAST, and after his brothers were gone HE ALSO WENT UP, NOT PUBLICLY BUT IN PRIVATE

2. Jesus disciples stole grain and he encouraged them because David did so too.
MATHEW 12 v1-4

3. jesus in the bible stole a colt and told his disciples to tell the owner that THE LORD NEEDED IT. EEEEEEEEEWOOOOOOOOOO
Luke 19v29-35.

Referring to the verses below, it is either we say the bible is lying or jesus in the bible lied.

4. jesus coming never materliased

mathew 10v23: but when they persecute you in this city, flee ye unto another city, for verily, i say unto you, YE SHALL NOT HAVE GONE OVER THE CITIES OF ISRAEL TILL THE SON OF MAN BE COME.

the disciplies fled and have persihed since without any sign of jesus

5. prediction of early 2nd coming never materialised
mathew 24v29-34: , the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, TRULY I SAY TO YOU, THIS GENERATION WILL NOT PASS AWAY TILL ALL THESE THINGS TAKE PLACE

but that generation and many generations have passed away that hardly could we find any again, yet, jesus has not come

Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 05:18:48 PM
are u satisfied, so u can now answer my questions

I just did, bro MIDT!! Cheers!

professor, u never did and you havent and for your information, i have listed some topics below to be addressed. i did the listing in order to remove clumsiness.

NOW IF YOU DONT HAVE QUESTIONS AND HAVING ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS

are you prepared for my questions on

1. crucifiction of jesus (lie or truth)
2. jesus as the only begotten son
3. jesus being sent to the world
4. missing verses in the bible
5. contradictions in the bible.
6. who are the authors of the old and new testament.
7.are you servant (as put by muslims) or son of God (as put by christians).
8. divinity of jesus trinity (1st john 5v7) expunged in other versions
etc