Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 3:25pm On Aug 17, 2024 |
bemeruca: It is not true because it is on record what he told them. It is also on record a man urging people to storm the building was not arrested. Surprisingly enough, the Dems were supporting him. Since when do Dems support a MAGA insurrectionist? Media lies. Take time to read this about antifa guy in DC Jan 6, who later on wanted to blow up J6 accused but was released by FBI. He was never charged for his Jan 6 actions. FBI ASSETS LED THE #INSURRECTION ON #J6 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1588772998504677376.htmlBemeruca above has posted two instances of clear media manipulation. If you understand that the media is the PR and propaganda arm of the democrats then you are redeemable. The main stream media has never said anything positive about Trump, that should prick your conscience. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 3:10pm On Aug 17, 2024 |
Maeve7: When the interest rate goes down and people/companies borrow more money, more money is in circulation pushing up inflation . Basic economics, something Trump does not understand. When Obama was the president, the federal rate was set to Zero for 90% of his entire presidency. When trump took over they raised it every 6 months 🥹🥹. Sabotage. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 11:58am On Aug 17, 2024 |
Obrigardo: Dumb bro didnt realize Kamala already had a plan to fight the landlords and price gougers. Maga cultists just talk about problems but no solution or useful counterattack. Wapo, CNN, NYT are her mouthpieces but they see a problem with a bureaucrat in DC determining how much a lettuce will cost. Many have tried but it led to inflation and shortage of goods to starvation in Venezuela. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 11:55am On Aug 17, 2024 |
Kamaharris.com has no policies. It has 9 gender options you can choose from if you want to be a staffer. Vice President Kamala Harris’ website allows job seekers to choose from among nine different pronoun options when applying for a position on her campaign — leading some social media users to blast the Democrat for having ‘more pronouns than policies.’
Applicants can select from the more mainstream “he/him,” “she/her” and “they/them” pronouns or choose less conventional gender-neutral options, including “xe/xem,” ‘ze/hir,’ ‘ey/em,’ and ‘hir/hir.’
‘Hu/hu,’ which indicates that a person wants to emphasize their humanity over their gender, and ‘Fae/faer,’ which denotes that a person is fluid between multiple genders but not masculine genders, are also presented as options.basilico: They are so desperate to control the info that the people access. They have literally almost every major global public media outlet, but X was snatched away. It's not a public company, no shareholder has any say. Literally at that rate , X will make majority of the people realise that the media is in cahoots with the democrats to retain owner by all means. Lying , rigging, murdering, lawfare, impeaching, censoring . Nothing is beyond the democrat quest to hold on to power. Nothing. And that drives them bankers. Has it occurred to you that Kamala Harris campaign website has none of her policies?? Only donate buttons. Media is demonizing Trump (colour of his ties for example) but nothing negative about her,24 days later. https://kamalaharris.com/ |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:41am On Aug 17, 2024 |
George Soros has been mentoring prosecutors. 30% of Americans live under the jurisdiction of a Soros plant. https://www.dailywire.com/news/documents-reveal-how-george-soros-controls-prosecutorsOnce Soros funds a successful prosecutors,he or she is supposed to follow a certain code eg no bail for some offences, favourable treatment of some races. They get mentors among the experienced Soros hirelings. Alvin Bragg has surely been the best Soros DA . |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:10am On Aug 17, 2024 |
ObaIgwe1: Lol. She is not attempting to fix commodities prices. 1st she mentioned that she handled cases against price gouging as an AG and won a billion dollars for consumers... That suggest she has an idea of how this conspiracies around price gouging works.
She planned to deal with it in 3 ways, 1st the conspiracies of big corporations to come together to inflate prices... That is not difficult to do, it's the reason we have cost accountants, they can easily find out if the profit margin is excessive or not and what the Government can do is fight for the margin to be reduced.
2ndly is to check price inflation from major distributors and the 3rd approach is to promote many small scale food / groceries manufacturers to come on board and drive down prices through competition....
Well I am not holding brief for her, those words might just be political talks to win election, but they are doable if there's a will and it doesn't mean US will become a communist country. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1824111902093677006.html |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:02am On Aug 17, 2024 |
ObaIgwe1: Not exactly if the 25K will be part of the mortgage payment to be paid back. The 25k grant is just reducing the down payment, nothing more.
I am not really in full support of that, I prefer her 2nd option of building more houses and she should also encourage real estate companies to build more. Simple economics of demand/supply; when supplies increase the price will fall.
That will also create more jobs and expand the economy. $25k for 400,000 first time home owners. Let's rule out republicans first because this would be for people who are likely to vote democrat. $10 billion. Where you think that money come from? Other taxpayers. As raum said once sellers know all have $25 grand , they will increase the prices of the house by that or more. Simple economics. When sex starved sailors come to town , ashawos lodgings brothels etc prices go up for the period they are there.WAGs ( wives and girlfriends) suddenly get urgent calls from their countryside relatives to go visit. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 7:15am On Aug 17, 2024*. Modified: 7:51am On Aug 17, 2024 |
Kamala is a pure but stealthy commie. She will grab patent rights and force retail prices for some commodities. https://www.dailywire.com/news/harris-proposes-government-take-over-of-private-industry-if-her-orders-not-obeyedSo, for any drug where they fail to play by our rules, and if that drug came about from federal funding for what’s called ‘R& ,’ research and development, I will snatch their patent so that we will take over,” Harris continued.
The audience asked if Harris was legally allowed to do that, to which Harris responded, “Yes, we can do that! Yes, yes, we can do that! Yes, we can do that. The question is whether you have the will to do it. I have the will to do it.”But but Trump is a dictator. Commies are dictator, you give them more power so that the nation can reach its utopia. Americans Be very very careful. Lenin started that way , Cambodia Pol Pot started those populist measures to equalize the country wealth.Chavez , Mao, Kim Sun and all commies rose to popular power in order to implement Marxism/ socialism where equity was the end goal. Budaatum lover of wapo, When Washington Post calls you a commie then you must be Or is she being setup?
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 5:47am On Aug 17, 2024 |
bemeruca: The only thing she knows is to spread her legs. this will make the situation worse. Her plan on price gouging will fix the border crisis. There will be food shortages , long lines of people queueing to buy bread. Which illegal immigrant will want to go there ever? Open border problem .FIXED. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 5:29am On Aug 17, 2024*. Modified: 7:26am On Aug 17, 2024 |
bemeruca: It's just like how student loans jack up the price of tuition. if she hands out 25k what do you think will happen to the housing market? Socialism spreads govt spending because the money will come from taxing the rich. Class division of society From wapo The campaign says its plan would be paid for through taxes on corporations and some of America’s highest earners, along with other revenue raisers in Biden’s budgetThe wealthy and corporations will flee to other countries with their investment, leaving govt with a big bill and no means of funding it. So it raises taxes on everyone. If you cut taxes on the wealthy they are more likely to invest more and more, after all they have a safety net . For instance Elon Musk doesn't need to build a Hyperloop or neural links, his wealth is already secured so he can as well try any crazy idea he thinks of. Starlink for instance will not do well in areas covered by 4/5G but the airlines, Navies and shipping companies of the world are rushing for it. I mean it was a crazy idea having over ten thousands of low orbit satellites .Starlink is expected to break even and earn huge revenues by 2024 . |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 3:30am On Aug 17, 2024 |
bemeruca: She said she is going to build 3 million homes in 4 years. I don't think she knows how construction works. I bet she does not know what a Gantt chart is. She could manage only 8 EV charging stations in 2.5 years I'm waiting for media to propagate the beauty of govt building homes, setting prices on rents and groceries. She created the inflation in order to fund leftie causes. Didn't work. Now wanta govt to control prices. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 3:00am On Aug 17, 2024 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 2:12am On Aug 17, 2024 |
ObaIgwe1: 1st all, I am not running to be president of US so wether I like big bum bum like you or prefer to suck from every available milk tank in flesh is irrelevant until the day I put myself forward to lead.
It is a minimum expectation that he that must lead others should be above board. Like I wrote, I know nobody is perfect, some of the past presidents have their flaws but we all know none of them is at the level of Trump. His lying rate is 2nd to none. Trump can barely speak for 10 minutes without lies and exaggeration. With speech heavily laden with insults, name calling and self glorification.
Let's put his excessive love for women including pornstars, his many sexual harassment allegations and chronic lies aside, please tell me which other past presidential candidates was a fraudster like Trump, a convicted felon, twice impeached in office, one who mobilized mob action against the capitol to stop the process of handing over of power, one that called states electoral officers to find him illegal votes to rig an election that he lost?
Yes independent person know that none is perfect like him or her but they know very well too that Trump represents the worse among us and he is definitely below board and so unfit to lead the the biggest free world country. Your lameduck explanations are eerily similar to our resident idiot. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 2:00am On Aug 17, 2024 |
raumdeuter: Kamala is either ignorant of how economics work or just a plain communist
If you give every first time home buyer 25k, that has just raised the prices of every item and you are begging for another inflated home price That's why I've been saying that we are not sure she is really the nominee. If enough hell is raised by media , and they force her into a press conference today , they can as well switch her IIRC , Obama wanted the nominee chosen at the convention; sources said Joe Biden endorsed her forcing the party bigwigs to go along with her. If the media is not praising her price gouging and her communist ideas , it could have been a setup. Or maybe her 100 million votes are ready, they don't give a hoot what she says or does. Communists once in absolute power make things worse just because they can,,they have the power and there is nothing you can do. Or maybe they will have jailed Trump or gotten rid of him . Fear the left and the deep srate. .At tothis time their atrocities are so much they will drag the country down so they don't get exposed. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 9:10pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:58pm On Aug 16, 2024*. Modified: 9:17pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
Maeve7: He went to the next rally one or two days after the shooting. Trump loves crowds and attention more than his kids. Him constantly talking about Harris crowds shows how much it pains him. We are being petty. Kamala will get 100 million votes With AI she crowd is massive. This is a 100 million vote crowd
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:51pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
Maeve7: No, he hasn’t. He held several of them after the attempt. Were you sleeping loco? Of course he is cautious about public rallies. He held a X conversation that got over 1B interactions and hundreds if millions of views. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:37pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
Maeve7: And yet her crowds are bigger than Trump’s which clearly gets under his skin because he can’t stop talking about it. 
Republicans respect the wishes of their voters? The voters said no to Trump four years ago. What is he still doing here? Her crowds my foot. Trump has been avoiding crowds since to the attempt. Trump crowds have people waiting upto 36 hours earlier at times Kamala is gatecrashing concerts which would have the same attendance if she wasn't there. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:30pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
raumdeuter: His case is in court and until convicted he is innocent as everyone
Unlike the Democratic party, the GOP actually respect the wishes of their voters, Democratic primary voters chose Biden, In 2020 Kamala won 0 delegates when she ran while Biden got the ticket
The Dem party elite actually believes their voters are not smart enough to know who they want so they interfere regularly like when they send debate questions to Hillary or when they actually chose Kamala who didnt go through primaries As of now, they can still get rid of Kamala Harris and Tim. Don't joke with democrats lust for power. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 8:24pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
raumdeuter: If you are so put off by Trump lies and cheating then why are you supporting Kamala?
Who lied about her support for Fracking and was dating a 60yr old married man when she was 29yrs? Joe Biden is the worst liar. He was cheating on his first wife with Jil. His first wife died in an accident, Joe Biden lies that she was hit by a drunk guy,the guy was not drunk. His son died of brain cancer in the US. He lies he died of injuries suffered in Iraq. He lies he never knew what business his son was doing , yet there are photos of him with his son business buddies playing golf besides testimony under oath of him calling in at least 23 tines in his sons business meetings, don't mention Mr 10% of foreign kickbacks. Joe spouts debunked lies about Trump every time he opens his mouth. Joe Biden was the chair of the House committee that strove to block Clarence Thomas nomination. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 6:39pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
Kamala Harris by herself has a credibility problem. Her running mate has serious issues. He claimed to have fought in a war, to have been a rank he was never attained and was demoted, retired when he already knew his unit was scheduled to do a tour of Iraq, didn't actively stop rioters over the George Floyd, put tampons in every boys washroom and has made over 30 trips to China courtesy of CCP, has affiliation with unofficial Chinese police station in Minnesota used to bully Xi jinpin America based critics. Now his actions will be investigated by an oversight committee. https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-launches-probe-into-governor-walzs-extensive-engagement-with-china-and-ccp-entities/ Comer Launches Probe into Governor Walz’s Extensive Engagement with China and CCP Entities
Democrats want power badly, (they can kill if it goes to Trump), if he is a hindrance he might be removed as he has too much baggage. Democrats can also remove both, Kamala after all never won a single primary vote. That's one of the reasons Trump was dilly-dallying holding a debate with her, until she is officially confirmed at the upcoming convention. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 6:26pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
ObaIgwe1: You keep making the argument about Right Vs Left. Think for a moment as an independent. Yes no one is perfect, but it has not been this bad that someone contesting for the highest office in the world possesses everything that is wrong in a man. One or 2 flaws here and there might be overlooked but the list of wrongdoings is almost endless with Trump. This is not about media hype, these are what every rational person with common sense know to be true about Trump.
Also, most of these past presidents with flaws you mentioned were not found out before they contested, I am almost sure most of them wouldn't have won their primaries if their flaws were found out early. Unlike Trump we all know his flaws before now, yet he is winning the primary and getting millions of supports of GOP. I know it's democracy but something definitely is wrong if the best democracy can throw up in a country like US is Trump. It means the standard has been brought low, so low, and majority of the people have become shameless.
My father told me so many years ago before he passed, "The worst partner anyone can have is the one without a sense of shame, because anyone without a sense of shame will be capable of everything and anything wrong". When a society loses it's sense of shame, it has lost every decency in it.
When Trump is done and over, and I hope very soon, GOP needs a self assessment of how they have fallen so low, or whatever it is about their members that throw up someone like Trump as their candidate. Moral compass. You would not vote for someone who had an extra marital. But I guess you'd vote a gay or LGBTQ person.. Or let's put it this way. You would rather your son turns gay than for him to cheat on his wife. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 6:14pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
J6 bomb. Video shows a police officer carrying a backpack just after Kamala Harris entered DNC offices at the Capitol. Note SS had swept the area around DNC earlier with a canine and no bomb was detected. 15 minutes later the pipe bomb is discovered.. Analysis, video and photos in link below https://www.declassified.live/p/another-suspicious-moment-in-dncAnother Suspicious Moment in DNC Pipe Bomb Mystery An unidentified individual carrying a bag exited a police vehicle then walked toward the location where the device was "found" about 15 minutes later. There are no coincidences. Fedsurrection. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 5:58pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
happney65: Now all of a sudden they are angry and sad and they now pity Biden
Awon hypocrites oshi..  It was a coup. I would not be surprised if he steps down and Kamala becomes the 47th for those few months. She runs as an incumbent, she gets high profile visibility Making her look every bit presidential and trustworthy. At the same time Trump has to redo his 47th merchandise. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 5:48pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
IjeBos: Real talk. You may want to google what Jobless means since you use it a lot. If you had a Job, do you think you would be in the American Politics Thread spamming away about Muslims in the US and UK?. Two countries you don't live in? Think about what a loserish person you are. Fyi, people with Jobs usually prioritize their time on things that actually affect them. There is a word you probably never heard of Multitasking |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 4:27pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
IjeBos: Look at this sentence. This is the dishonesty of the conservative mind and how conspiracies abound in their heads.
The first sentence is "Hillary accepted the loss in peace?" Then his next sentence "They spent years chasing Russian interference as the reason Trump won. The Russian probe too was that also part of politics?"
Notice the switch in the subject from "Hillary" to "They ". Who is "They"? Did Hillary open an investigation and run the Russia Probe? "They" always does the heavy lifting in the minds of these Maga Nuts. Raumdeuter can't say "Trump's Justice department led by a Republican Mueller" so "They" allows them to be dishonest and for them to cope in their minds with information that doesn't fit their narrative.
It's how children think and write. Fun fact: Trump does so much better with the uneducated/undereducated. You don't know Clinton invented Russia hoax. Then FBI investigated it and found no evidence after wasting away Trump for 2 years |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 2:09pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 1:42pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
1stGenAmerican: Portions of the news that you’re calling a lie was echoed by The Kremlin and other Russian news sources. Are you saying that they’re also lying? The Kremlin is begrudgingly reporting casualties and confirming news of mandatory evacuations. Are they lying ? You pro-Russia monikers have been saying that Ukraine was being smashed since a week after the invasion —how long does a total smashing take? If there was any truth to it, the war would’ve been over long ago. True Ukraine has taken territory in Russia and are holding Russian troops as hostages. Ukraine has lost 20% of its own to Russia, shale oil rich zone plus the Crimea port. They are being encouraged to keep fighting by esp America,if they surrendered today Biden Kamala would look very weak on foreign policy just before a pivotal election 3 months away. America has squandered hundreds of billions of dollars to secure Ukraine border, while the border with Mexico only needed $25 billion to build an impregnable wall. Very poor foreign policy by Kamala Biden regime. Another failure is the pressure America is putting on IDF not to finish off Hamas and Palestinian terrorists. So that they look good ,compare to Trump who brokered historic Abrahamic Records deals across the middle east. Come to think of it , a hostage release takes months , Ukraine can't reach a deal with Russia until after US elections But hey Trump slept with a porrnstar😆😆😆 |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 1:34pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
raumdeuter: Romney was 2 time governor of Massachusetts a deep blue state, he gave them Massachusetts Healthcare which is almost exactly like Obama care The day he decided to run, he immediately became a racist and a vulture capitalist The moment he lost he stopped being all those
Hillary that congratulated is the same one who called Trump an illegitimate president? Is it not the same Hillary who claimed it was Russian collusion that made Trump win. And the left spent years investigating the Russian collusion
2yrs ago When it looked like DeSantis might be the front runner, we started hearing how he was worse than Trump.
The only Republican that they like is the one who has lost or the one they are sure will lose like Nikki Haley Democrats can reject election results without a problem. Stacey Abrams never accepted loss also. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 1:32pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
ObaIgwe1: Dayo that is simply politics. Opponents will blacklist each other to win elections, even within the same party during their primaries. For example, we all know the name callings and insults that have been passed between Trump and J.D., but now they are on the same ticket. Name calling and bad mouthing opponents have been like that from eternity and will remain like that.
What is key here is that, when all the dusts of insults and bad labels are off, facts will remain standing. Irrespective of whatever ideology that is wrong with the Democrats, is Trump the best of GOP to prosecute the case against them? Where is the decency, honor and integrity known with GOP candidates? Once upon a time, there is no way someone with an accusation of infidelity will win a GOP ticket to the Congress not to talk of getting Presidential ticket. But who do we have here? Trump; Married 3 times, lies for fun with no remorse, someone who asked that women should be grabbed by the pu**y, a fraudster, a convicted felon, someone who mobilize the mob against the Capitol...etc These are not political made up stories or ideology issues like being extremes... These are facts about Trump. And if this is the best of GOP or by whatever means he emerged should be a serious concern for the party.
Forgets about the political parties and their different ideologies, after the elections when the dusts of propagandas are dawn.... Imagine the President and C in C of the great USA known to the rest of the world is a Convicted felon, a porn-star furker with no honor, only good at bragging and telling lies; Africa and some other 3 world countries can present someone like that as their leader, but it is a shame to a country like US. You fail to note that Trump is ex president. He is running on a record of low immigration, low inflation and low gas prices. What does a purported one night stand have to do with running the country. You are holding GOP to a moral compass while a democratic can pretend to be a retired rank he was not and another owes her rise to sucking Will Brown dickk. Pelosi came from a mafia like family. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 1:23pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
Obrigardo: I can't explain how intellectually inept you really are. You remember when felon trump whipped up the maga crowd who then marched to the capitol and the beat up capitol police, and that resulted in all the proud boys leadership serving decades in jail, oath keepers serving long jail term, and recently one of the longest jail term of 21 years was served just a year behind Enrique tarios 22 years. I remember very well him telling him 'fight like hell'. Where was Kamala Harris when the pipe bomb at the DNC was discovered. Had SS done a sweep with a canine , then she passed just 20ft away from where the bomb was placed ? |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by basilico: 1:09pm On Aug 16, 2024 |
basilico: What glitzy economy is that where groceries are a huge talking about that require a sort of price control.
Venezuela, Maduro imposed price controls. Food shortages started very soon after.
Kamala will outline her communist solution to capitalism today. Kamala plans to give $25K to first time home owners. What will be the effect. Every home will go up by more than $25K. It's like giving everyone money. Prices go up. Socialism involves big govt intruding into every space. The other one about fixing rent prices. Socialism. Fixing the prices of groceries. Socialism. Trump should label her a communist per see. That's how it starts, govt offers goodies because we shall tax the bourgeoisie heavily. Next is silencing every critic like the liberals want to shutdown every opposing view. In the extreme case the wealthy are treated as potential troublemakers to the rulers, their wealth is confiscated and they are exiled to Siberia or to Polpot killing fields. On disqus someone mentioned after a hurricane in Florida they would rush generators immediately and make a killing . Within hours others would go for the gold rush , and in a few days the prices would hit rock bottom with some vendors almost giving them away for free . Because of demand and supply. When the state fixed the prices of gensets , it now takes weeks before the situation corrects Fewer people are willing to rush gensets whose price is already fixed by the state. |