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I am sometimes at the level of brainwashing muslims go through. Here we are proving to them how muhammad was a common war criminal, faked his religion and they still have the audacity to try and argue in his favour. In every debate they run to the 'corrupted' bible to prove similarities of islam visaviz other faiths. Muslims argue from one point that the quran is the pure word of Allah. Cyclical reasoning. If the quran is from Allah ( and they can never use God in place of Allah) then every other thing that negates islam is wrong. [quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Not only fake-invented, but also plagarized.

dont forget they copied their text from judaeo-christianity and certainly rituals,temple, poetry-verse style from the Pagan Arabs whom they massacred.[/quote]

I read somewhere that the quran has at least 100 verses commanding muslims to kill those who refused to believe Allah's messenger. I will in due time post them here and wait for Owo Lee and Co to debunk 100 verses one by one explaining the concept behind the commands. Rolling on the floor in laughter.

Samunique: May be u should tell him to go and study quran chaper 9: most especially, the ones that are called, " verses of the sword sura 9: 5 etc.

And also the concept of abrogating and abogated verses in the quran. May be he may then understand what islam really is, and if he does understand it, it will be a shocker to him.

Owo Lee. You are cherry picking. You are quoting only one part of a quranic verse that portrays islam is peaceful.
Let me quote the whole verse
Quran 5:32

5:32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Exception to that is given for murder and spreading mischief. Fair game.Notice that the same verse says about spreading mischief which could be anything like saying the prophet was lying, prosetlyzing, disbelieving islam. The penalty for mischief is clearly spelt out in the next verse Quran 5:33

quran 5:33
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

5:33 spells out the penalty for spreading mischief.

Owo Lee: Muslims are not terrorist, this is challenge facing everybody including the muslims...islam is peace!
The prophet(S.A.W) never preached war, in the quran, its never there, quoted from quran"if one kill a soul, is as if he killed the whole humanity and if you favour a soul, is as if u have favored the whole humanity...the media too is not helping matters, every day in the each country, we here of Kidnapping, raping, stealing,robbery,hooligalism,rituals e.t.c
We don't blame any religion for that, some few un-identified people hide under the name of been a muslim start saying arrant nonsense about islam, and the world says "Muslims".
We have to collectively fight against this. Muslims are no terrorist, we have once lived peacefully in this part of the world before now, christians were christian, muslims were muslim, nd the rest...No terrorist then, the west brought about terrorist propagated by the media an everybody starts to sing muslim are terrorist...its totally wrong!

I now expect muslims reading this to ask their clerics whether their prophet lied from day one. Adding to the islamic twist I also want muslims to ask their clerics whether its permissible for a muslim to accept a blood transfusion from a Jewish donor or rather a kufr donor.

Conclusion of this post is that Ishmael is not the father of the arab nation. The other conclusion is that islam prophet faked a huge lie that Abraham with his son built the Kaaba because non of them ever appeared in Mecca at any point in their life. This makes islam a fake invented religion right from day one. [quote author=PAGAN 9JA]yes true this content is banned in the Arab world.[/quote]

Any muslim reading this should obviously know that their prophet is a liar. Sometimes I think muhammad knew the nazi adage that the bigger the lie the more believable it becomes. [quote author=PAGAN 9JA]OP stop confusing jewish fairytales (abrahamic religion) with history.

Let me answer your question.

If you talk of the Arabs of today, they themselves are aware that they are divided into 2 categories.

The first one are the Pure Tribal Bedu Arabs of the Arab Gulf states.

These include Emiratis, Omani, Yemenis, Majority of Saudis, Kuwaitis, Qataris, Bahrainis, Southern Marsh Iraqis, Jordanian Tribals of the Wadi Al Rum region, etc. (except for the Iranian-Arabs and their mixed variants).

THey have existed for way too long. As long as the first Egyptians. They are an entirely separate Ethnic Group and Race of people. They can trace their ancestry to the Sabaaen, Nabatean, etc. civilizations.



The second variety are the Arabized Arabs who are of mixed stock, including turkish, roman, arab, levantine, etc.

THese are the Levantine Arabs who are white skinned, many have blue-grey eyes, and they are Arab only in language and religion.

They have no tribes or any other such endogamous socio-cultural groups.


They belong to countries such as lebanon, syria, jordan, palestine,etc.

these are of mixed stock, therefore are a much recent creation.



Yes Arabs invaded Egypt. Copt means Pure Egyptian. Copts, Saidi Egyptians, etc. are all mostly of pure stock.


muhammad obviously made up the lineage. The Pre-islamic Arabs never knew these jewish names. THey only cared for their tribal ancestry. muhammad derides them in one surah verse when two tribes boast about their Tribal ancestors (though in fact they mightve been venerating their ancestors).


ishmael has never been to Mecca or medina.[/quote]

640/641 AD not 610. And the present day Copts had death or dhimmiship options for them to accept islam.

spenca: Okay to answer your queation ,yes the copts were first occupants of egypt then the Arabs conquered egypt in 610AD during the cliphate of Umar by Amr al'as , majority of the copts converted to Islam after the Arabs took over egypt.

Going by the bible the Tower of Babel explains the rise of other languages and nations and hence the existence of Egyptians. Did that confusion of Babel not bring about Arabic language & race too? Arabs had to wait for the Jewish Ishmael to marry a tower of babel derivative ( egyptian) in order to start the Arab race?

We all know that ishmael married an Egyptian. Therefore the Egyptian people were in exxistence. If ishmael is the father of Arabs then it follows that the arabs came long after the Copts in Egypt. Wich means that the Arabs in Egypt are invaders ( history has it correct here that the arabs invaded egypt shortly after Muhammad death around 640 AD). I am pressured to believe that all that desert area was not populated by Arabs but Egypt was by the present day Copts. There is also a possibility that Muhammad made up his lineage to connect himself to Abraham. There is no record of Ishmael ever going to saudi arabia in the bible but we do know that he attended his dad's funeral of which I doubt that he travelled 900 miles to attend the burial.

In the last 3 days there has been 3 major islam motivated attacks. In our North scores died when our homegrown Boko Haram masqueraded as JTF and massacred more than 100 non muslims. In Pakistan more than 70 non muslims were sent to their graves by muslims. In the remote kenya more than 60 people have been killed by an Al Qaeda affiliated group in an upmarket mall. Muslims persecuting non muslims and adding to the body count. In kenya the muslims shot dead those who could either not recite the shahada or recite some Arabic verse. This is islam at its best, killing those who dont believe in their prophet as commanded in the holy quran whose references have been provided here. This thread is not dying muslims are killing non muslims and the main stream media shills for them day in day out. Peace.

Today the islamists in Egypt have declared that since Sisi is arresting them then the Copts will be targeted in revenge attacks. Sisi knows the Brotherhood is the enemy, the enemy being cowardly as it is wants to attack the Copts. The enemy of Sisi are those who strictly follow the quran and want to impose the sharia in Egypt. Who can advice the brotherhood to stop targetting the copts in egypt? Which muslim here will condemn the Muslim brotherhood?

A saudi cleric says men will get a limitless number of virgins in islamic paradise. The video evidence is there. Prove him wrong.

Empiree: @NL, you put no doubt on our mind whatsoever. Some things are not worth arguing, which is what you doing. I knew that to put " doubt " on our mind was your intention. Your fore-fathers tried it million times but didn't work. They are now in their graves. You just lied when you said you needed compelling evidence to satisfy you. But having gone through many of your posts, it's contrary to ur actions. Haven't you been presented with many. There is something called " pig-headed". That's exactly how i see u. No amount of " compelling evidence" wil suffice you if you have no honest mind. Stop wasting ur time on unnecessary on things.

The saudi cleric has said that muslim men will get many virgins in paradise. Please prove him wrong from your quran and give us reasons why he is wrong. I have quoted 2 14th and 15th century scholars who agree extolled the virtues of houris in jannat. Prove them wrong too.

Typical Muslim.. if its something ugly about islam you switch to quran only argument.
Show me where the quran details ablution for a start........

lanrexlan: Back it up with verses from the Quran,simple.....Peace

Go ask that Saudi cleric where he got that crazy idea of virgins in paradise. the issue

According to Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72:

"The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: ‘The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]’."

The sensual pleasures are graphically elaborated by Al-Suyuti (died 1505 AD), Quranic commentator and polymath. He wrote:

"Each time we sleep with a houri we find her virgin...

Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens.

The erection is eternal;

...the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [ie Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetising vaginas."

lanrexlan: I challenge you to point out a single verse of the glorious Quran that talks about 72 virgins in Paradise.Stop displaying your ignorance here,who told you Females will have no reward in Paradise?
Allah says in the glorious Quran in
Surah At-Taubah 9:72- Allah has promised to the believers -men and women,- Gardens under which rivers flow to dwell therein forever,and beautiful mansions in Gardens of 'Adn (Eden Paradise).But the greatest bliss is the Good Pleasure of Allah.That is the supreme success.....Peace

That is a Saudi cleric by the name shankiti. did I say what he said. A Saudi cleric who is preaching to muslims in a mosque.
Why deny the obvious.

If you follow the video he says every houri will come with 70 and each 70 will come with another 70...If you have have four wives the number of virgins at your disposal could as well top up 19000 in paradise each of them wanting a piece of you!!!!

Better stock on viagra oh ye inhabitants of paradise.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sQGy0ZE0DOU

Saudi Cleric clearly confirms that muslim paradise is clearly a place where muslim men are assured of never ending supply of virgins.
Remember a martyr goes straight to heaven.

Watch this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sQGy0ZE0DOU

Why bring up the bible instead of answering why your prophet killed innocent people whose only crime was to see through his lies and rejecting islam? Honestly in those days of the unlettered prophet many people refused his claims. 1400 years later you believe the lie of islam from muhammad and you have no shame trying to defend him in this section. Smell the coffee.

dareabiola98: The Holy Bible from God Commanded Mosees

1."All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)".

2. Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"

This girls were as young as 3yrs...

Do u Condemn this acts of moses YES OR NO

Let me add that the concept of muslims lying in order to advance the cause of islam originated when muhammad took over mecca. One of his former critics was alive I dont remember his name. Muhammad being the vindictive scum he was wanted him dead. One of his companions (sahib) offered to kill him but on the condition that he lied to the victim in order to lure him to his death. Muhammad allowed his sahib to lie and sure enough the sahib committed the murdered after lying to lure him out of his house. And Allah knows best. To the woman split into two by the camels Muhammad remarked that even 2 goats would never butt their heads for her. To his companions raping captured slaves and risking impregnating them and lowering their value on the slave market, muhammad allowed and remarked that no soul would ever be born if allah did not will thus allowing his army to have sex.. With captured slaves without withdrawing just before ejaculation. This is why i call muhammad (pbuh) piss be upon him the scum of the earth.

Let me add that the concept of muslims lying in order to advance the cause of islam originated when muhammad took over mecca. One of his former critics was alive I dont remember his name. Muhammad being the vindictive scum he was wanted him dead. One of his companions (sahib) offered to kill him but on the condition that he lied to the victim in order to lure him to his death. Muhammad allowed his sahib to lie and sure enough the sahib committed the murdered after lying to lure him out of his house. And Allah knows best. To the woman split into two by the camels Muhammad remarked that even 2 goats would never butt their heads for her. To his companions raping captured slaves and risking impregnating them and lowering their value on the slave market, muhammad allowed and remarked that no soul would ever be born if allah did not will thus allowing his army to have sex.. With captured slaves without withdrawing just before ejaculation. This is why i call muhammad (pbuh) piss be upon him the scum of the earth.

Alexis i am aware that in some raid muhammad was involved in was during the month when the kaaba pagans were fasting and during that fasting time (which the prophet robber hijacked to islam) the pagans were aghast at how one could raid at that time of the fast. Allah then brought down a revelation to legalise the action of his prophet robber.

alexis: Muslims like dareabiola98 seems ignorant of his own religion and it's history. To cover the embarrassment of the numerous murders and stealing done by His prophet - he wants to drag the Bible into it. It's a common Muslim tactic we are all used to .

He is running off in another direction - shouting - there are killings in the Bible as well so it doesn't make any difference. Why didn't you open a thread about the killings in the Bible? Why is it that when we decide to talk about the persecution of Christians and how Islam has treated them over the centuries; you then decide to justify the Islamic oppression by dragging in Bible stories that has nothing to do with the theme at hand.

Let me give you a few paragraphs of your history

THE FIRST FOUR RAIDS

The caravans of Mecca passed by Medina on their way to and from Damascus, full of merchandise and goods. Muhammad and his gang would set an ambush for them, quickly ROBBING & KILLING the merchants. It is regrettable that the 1st job Muhammad, the spiritual leader of his group, had in Medina was robbing caravans and killing merchants. So, the "Greatest of all the prophets" was a common thief, armed robber and a murderer. Whenever this is brought up, ignorant muslims like dareabiola98 overlook it but his eyes see the wars in the Bible



Please read on your history

How you ask them if their prophet committed a crime of gruesome murder. When they are born they are cheated that their prophet was the most righteous man who ever lived. Once you condition an infant he/she has to have some intelligence to think outside the box.

alexis: Did you answer mine?

Did Mohammad order the killing of a 70 year old woman by tying her to 2 camels and making them run in opposite directions?. A simple YES or NO will suffice

Muslims trying very hard to derail the thread and refusing to answer simple questions as enumerated by Nl member. This thread is not going away ever. It about how Muhammad taught his followers how to subjugate, murder or shame those who saw through his lies of being a prophet. Today his followers are engaged in a bloodlust orgy of killing, maiming, wholesale slaughter of non muslims. They do this because their violent righteous scum of the earth prophet did the same thing. His last decree was that no other religion other than his invented one should be allowed in Saudi arabia. The muslims deny this so I am sure ill get a visa as kufr to visit mecca one of these fine days. I will get financial and social guarantee from vedax or lanlex that i a non muslim shall not cause any trouble in Mecca the (un)holy city of islam. Ill spend naira on zam zam water too besides footing all living charges while there in Mecca. Inshallah muslims here will vouch for my kufr visit. Ill pose infront of the Kaaba. Id love to see the stone prophet ibrahim built too.

Do it for me my connection is terrible. Search for Asma Bint Marwan and paste here. Whatever and whoever killed her is the devil incarnate for real. Please paste I am unable to now. Thanks.

NL member: The link is broken. Please fix it, thanks.

Lets keep commenting so that this thread does not die a natural one.

Now vedax is taking us on a long useless journey about how the jews were treated by the atheist Hitler. Please click on the link below to see how Muhammad (pbuh) treated asma bint (daughter) Marwan. What a prophet of Allah! http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/En I have the link wrong but in you free time you can do a google search on how Asma Bint Marwan was killed. A google search for those muhammad planned to kill when he captured mecca whether they were hiding behind the curtains of Kaaba will also reveal how cruel the prophet of islam was.

This thread should not go away. The cruel prophet of islam decreed to his followers to persecute those who refuse to follow him. Today we see muslims killing non muslims for the simple reason that the victims are not muslims. In the North, syria, egypt, zanzibar, iran, iraq and so on . If the apologists of islam continue to claim that there are those who get these verses wrong then they should revise their quran and remove those verses that may be misinterpreted.

Muslims have now converted forcefuly a coptic church in Egypt into a mosque. Everyone is silent, for those in the know rage is seething. One day this rage will explode while cowardly muslims are busy subduing non muslims. It will take a reagan who declared communist russia the evil empire; for a leader with balls like Putin to declare that islam is the enemy for the outlook to change. I reckon this will be within 2 years at most. Islam has persecuted xtians for 1400 years. 2 years thanks to internet.

Another long NONSENSICAL hypothetical post from vedax.

Over at Washington DC the million muslim march attracted only 25. The bikers were estimated at hundreds of thousands and all of them hate muslims supremacist ideology. MSM refused to cover the march. Watch Kerry now on MSM TV now cowing to the new superpower Russia under Putin.