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In a bid to validate quran The order is birth-ascension-descension to earth- live as a normal muslim( probably go on Hajj) - fight dajjal- die on earth for once- get raised to heaven! Even Comedy cant come close.

deSika: there is no realising anything oga. the verse is straight forward.

birth, death and then raised up.

and not birth, raised up, death, raised up. hehehe abegii. hoow you want take deny this one

as far as i am concerned Jesus has been raised up according to islamic tradition. now what baffles me is that he did not die before this his raised up experience. falsehood raised to power 10 if i may say.

They are saying indirectly that jesus was not crucified and did not die. In the same vein he ascended to heaven. How did he ascend? Did he use chariots like Elijah? Do any islam sources show how he ascended to heaven?

deSika: o man, i thought both of us have been tru with wat Jesus said on the cross. Eli meaning my God. am really dissapointed but not surprised anyway.

the verse says, They slew him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them. were they watching it in a movie that someone was killed. how did it appear so unto them, if not that they
1. killed someone actually crucified someone
2. the person that was killed appeared as Jesus to them.

your reasoning skills has always been like this, so am not surprised



hahaha muslims say Jesus was not crucified. it would have made sense to that if Jesus was in good terms with the jews and as such there was no need for any killing. but if the jews wanted to kill Jesus and looked for every possible means to kill him and infact killed him, then why will any sensible person say Jesus was not killed. uhn


again what does it appeared so unto them mean. think.


interseting write up you have here. so do mind doing me the favour. help me contact yur muslim brothers, vedaxcool, lagosShia and the rest. tell them that God cannot put the appearance of someone on another person. tell them that no Judas or Simon was impersonating Jesus. hahaha. i bet you dont know what you just said

sorry cheif, question not yet answered. playing the dodging game uhn

if you were asked who exactly was being killed, what would you say. remember you were there during the killing.


yes go to that thread and see how your brothers ran away after being shown the truth.

Does this not smack of Islamic supremacy? The earlier prophets go to heaven the Muslims go to paradise!!!!
The infidels go to hell fire.
The hierarchy of heaven is that Abraham ( as the builder of the Kaaba) ranks higher than Jesus the Messiah? And Muslims rank higher than Abraham?
Is that what you are saying?

RoyPCain: @truthman2012, desika, bacilico: heavens [7 layers] are not Paradise. Paradise is beyond all of them. Paradise may be further that the farthest lote tree. The lote tree is the divider between this world [earth all the way to 7th heaven and just before the point of the lote tree].

Our father Adam [as] was on first. Jesus and John [as] on 2nd. Enoch [Idris] [as] who was elevated [as in some prophets are raised up more than others] was on 3rd. The prophet saw many more [including Yusuf, etc]. So on 6th was Moses [as] who he discussed the number of daily salah with and on the 7th was Abraham leaning on Baitul Mamur [heavenly sister structure of Kaaba, which it is directly opposite on top of]. It is this house that there are everyday 70,000 angels make pilgrimage to it, and never to return to it.

Were any of the prophets in Paradise when he met each? No. None of them was in paradise but in their assigned spaces and levels of the heavens. Heavens are not Paradise. I see why you christians are falling over each other in lack of understanding. Heaven is your destination. Paradise is ours inshaAllah. in heaven there are paradise and hell already. We will take paradise and we want you to cross to Islam to be able to, otherwise the alternative is not sweet.


Did Muhammad [sa] see anyone in Paradise? Believers. Proofs; The Quran says martyrs are in paradise already so Sumayya bint Khabat [RA] is in there, including Hamza bin Abi Mutalib [RA] and many more.

Hadith; Muhammad [SA] said to Bilal bin Rabah that he heard the sound of his shoes in from of him in Paradise.

Since we are all agreed that Isa is in heaven , how did he get there?
Should be we go by the biblical sources of crucifixion, resurrection and ascension?
Do the Muslims have any sources - hadeeth,sunna, quran, gospel of barrabas etc as to how Jesus (Isa) happened to have appeared in heaven?

This is the full story of his ascension. It smells like an arabian fairy tale.

Abbas Ibn Malik reported that Malik Ibn Sasaa said that Allah's Messenger described to them his Night Journey saying: "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud, who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said: "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said, "He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place. Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me." (On this Al-Jarud asked: "Was it the Buraq, 0 Abu Hamza?" I (i.e. Anas) replied in the affirmative. The Prophet said: 'The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight. I was carried on it, and Gabriel set out with me till we reached the nearest heaven.
"When he asked for the gate to be opened, it was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has Muhammad been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened, and when I went over the first heaven, I saw Adam there. Gabriel said (to me): 'This is your father, Adam; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said:'You are welcomed, 0 pious son and pious Prophet.'
Then Gabriel ascended with me till we reached the second heaven. Gabriel asked for the gate to be opened. It was asked: 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered: 'Gabriel.' It was asked: 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked: 'Has he been called?' Gabriel answered in the affirmative. Then it was said: 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened. "When I went over the second heaven, there I saw John (Yahya) and Jesus (Isa), who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me): 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.' So I greeted them and both of them returned my greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, 0 pious brother and pious Prophet.'
Then Gabriel ascended with me to the third heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked: 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied: 'Gabriel.' It was asked: 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked: 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said: 'He is welcomed, what an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened, and when I went over the third heaven there I saw Joseph (Yusuf). Gabriel said (to me): 'This is Joseph; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said: 'You are welcomed, 0 pious brother and pious Prophet.'
Then Gabriel ascended with me to the fourth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked: 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel' It was asked: 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied: 'Muhammad.' It was asked: 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said: 'He is welcomed, what an excellent visit his is!' "The gate was opened, and when I went over the fourth heaven, there I saw Enoch (Idris). Gabriel said (to me): This is Enoch; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said: 'You are welcomed, 0 pious brother and pious Prophet.'
Then Gabriel ascended with me to the fifth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked: 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied: 'Gabriel.' It was asked: 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied: 'Muhammad.' It was asked: 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said: "He is welcomed, what an excellent visit his is! So when I went over the fifth heaven, there I saw Aaron (Harun), Gabriel said (to me): 'This is Aaron; pay him your greetings.' I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said: 'You are welcomed, 0 pious brother and pious Prophet.'
Then Gabriel ascended with me to the sixth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked: 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked: 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied: 'Muhammad.' It was asked: 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. It was said: 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' "When I went (over the sixth heaven), there I saw Moses (Musa). Gabriel said (to me): 'This is Moses; pay him your greeting. So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and said: 'You are welcomed, 0 pious brother and pious Prophet.' When I left him (i.e. Moses) he wept. Someone asked him: 'What makes you weep?' Moses said: 'I weep because after me there has been sent (as Prophet) a young man whose followers will enter Paradise in greater numbers than my followers.'
Then Gabriel ascended with me to the seventh heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked: 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied: 'Gabriel.' It was asked: 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied: 'Muhammad.' It was asked: 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said: 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' "So when I went (over the seventh heaven), there I saw Abraham (Ibrahim). Gabriel said (to me): This is your father; pay your greetings to him.' So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and said: 'You are welcomed, 0 pious son and pious Prophet.'
Then I was made to ascend to Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary). Behold! Its fruits were like the jars of Hajr (i.e. a place near Medina) and its leaves were as big as the ears of elephants. Gabriel said: 'This is the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary.' Behold! There ran four rivers; two were hidden and two were visible, I asked: 'What are these two kinds of rivers, 0 Gabriel?' He replied: 'As for the hidden rivers, they are two rivers in Paradise and the visible rivers are the Nile and the Euphrates.'
'Then Al-Bait-ul-Mamur (i.e. the Sacred House) was shown to me and a container full of wine and another full of milk and a third full of honey were brought to me. I took the milk. Gabriel remarked: 'This is the Islamic religion which you and your followers are following.'
Then the prayers were enjoined on me: they were fifty prayers a day. When I returned, I passed by Moses, who asked (me): 'What have you been ordered to do?' I replied: 'I have been ordered to offer fifty prayers a day.' Moses said: 'Your followers cannot bear fifty prayers a day, and by Allah I have tested people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel (in vain). Go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your followers' burden.' So I went back, and Allah reduced ten prayers for me. Then again I came to Moses, but he repeated the same as he had said before. Then again I went back to Allah, and He reduced ten more prayers. When I came back to Moses he said the same. I went back to Allah, and He ordered me to observe ten prayers a day. When I came back to Moses, he repeated the same advice, so I went back to Allah and was ordered to observe five prayers a day.
"When I came back to Moses, he said: 'What have you been ordered?' I replied: 'I have been ordered to observe five prayers a day.' He said: 'Your followers cannot bear five prayers a day, and no doubt, I have got an experience of the people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel, so go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your followers' burden.' I said: 'I have requested so much of my Lord that I feel ashamed, but I am satisfied now and surrender to Allah's Order.' When I left, I heard a voice saying: 'I have passed My order and have lessened the burden of My worshippers."'

If Muhammad found Isa in heaven then he did not die and it means he was raised to the heavens without dying (It was made to appear that it was Jesus who was crucified argument!!).

As the muslims explain If Jesus is to come back to fight Dajjal and break the cross then it means Muhammad is not the last prophet!!

Muhammad made this up Its that simple and the Muslims do not want to see that.

deSika: friend how do you explain this

Quran 19:33
peace on me the day [1] i was born, and [2] the day i die, and the day [3] i shall be raised alive.

he was supposed to die before being raised up. so why the shortcut. he jumped dieing and was now raised. something is not right, cant yu see it

Muhammad 'ascended' to heaven in 621CE while in Mecca. He found famous Jewish prophets.... why they were asking him who he was as if they did not know him is a matter of another discussion

According to Muslims Sumayyah(r.a) bint Khayyat (Arabic: سمية بنت خياطّ‎, died 615 C.E.) is known in the Islamic traditions as the first person in history to be martyred for having adopted the faith of Islam, in pre-Hijra Mecca. Shaheed Sumayyah died in 615 CE long before the prophet's night journey.

I'll quote a few sources....
Sumayyah bint Khabat (RA), her husband and her son ‘Ammar were very often the targets for the cruelty of the Quraish. On one occasion as the Prophet (SAW) was passing by the market place he saw all three members of the family being put through the worst form of torture possible. But the Prophet (SAW) was so helpless that there was no way he could rescue them. He could only console them and said, “Be patient O family of Yasir! For your final destination is Paradise”

Anyway when the prophet ascended 6 years after her death he did not see Sumayyah in heaven.
Maybe all muslims will first go to hell then later go to paradise ?

Muhammad corrected the written corrupted scrolls by declaring that Jesus was not crucified, did not die but ascended to heaven. Remember the prophet met Jesus when he flew the mythical horse burraq to al aqsa and ascended to all the 7 heavens. Jesus wil come back to fight the dajjal, break the cross (maybe you now understand why muslims hate the cross)... then i think He wil die. then. I am sure muslims here wil explain better.

Do women in their menses pray in full or rather do they recite half ayas? Are they allowed in the masjid at that time? Did i say that your prophet had intercourse with his 9 year bride when she was seeing the moon? She is the one who says the prophet used to fo.n.dle her but this site changes that word to handle. And since the quran says one should stay away from them (possibly do your 4 other wives or slaves then) on their menses Is there somewhere in your books that say the prophet was depressed one time when his whole harem of wives and sex slaves were having their menses?

ayenny02: YES, Allah said ityou better open your eyes very well and read the hadith again, where did you see the prophet (saw) had intercourse with Aisha.

Aisha said the prophet(saw) used to order her to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist to cover her body) and used to handle her not intercourse. Prophet (saw) allows for men to be near their wives and to love them and care for them during messes but they shud stay away from intercourse,
Can't you see you are a liar, the hadith you quoted contradict your false statement that the prophet had intercourse with Aisha during menstruation period

The prophet banned his loyal subjects from approaching their women whenever they were in their menses. Straight from the Quran. But he never obeyed this revelation according to the highly respected Sahih Bukhari.
A lot of things about the prophet of islam are centered on ...........


"They will ask you about menstruation. Say, 'It is harmful, so keep away from women during it. Do not approach them until they are purified of it, when they are purified you may approach them as Allah has ordained." (Qur'an 2:222)



Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 6 :: Hadith 298

Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to handle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 4 :: Hadith 231

Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:

I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with s.emen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 4 :: Hadith 232

Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:

I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with se.men. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.


Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 4 :: Hadith 233

Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to wash the se.men off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

The permanent committee for scientific research and religious sanctions:

Bakr ben Abdullah Abu Zeid, Member

Saleh ben Fozan Al Fozan, Member

Abdel Aziz ben Abdullah ben Mohammed Aal Sheikh, Chairman



Fatwa (religious sanction)

Number 41409 dated 7/5/1421

August 8, 2000



Praise is to God and blessings on the prophet that is the last of all prophets.



The permanent committee for scientific research and religious sanctions has looked onto the request of Abu Abdallah Mohammed Al Shamry which was sent to the committee from the general secretariat of the Committee of Higher Scholars number 1809 date 3/5/1421. The requester asked the following:



Lately, It has spread on a large scale, especially in weddings, the habit of thighing little boys; what is the ruling of the Quran on this? Especially, that God’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) has thighed Ayesha (may God be pleased with her)



The committee, after studying the request, has ruled the following:

It is not the true guidance of Muslims throughout centuries to resort to the use of these unlawful practices, which were imported to our countries through the immoral videos that are being sent by the infidels and enemies of Islam. As for the thighing of the messenger of God to his fiancée Ayesha, she was six years old and he could not engage in sexual intercourse with her because of her young age, therefore he used to place his penis between her thighs and rub it lightly. In addition, the messenger of God had full control of his male member contrary to the believers. Therefore, it is not permitted to practice thighing, whether in weddings, or at homes, or schools, due to its grave harm. And may God curse the infidels who brought these practices to our countries

NL member: @bold, is there a hadith like that? I never knew. Put it here let me see.

@ Nl member. Thanks to you muslims here have confirmed that their prophet married a 6 year old gal and sexed her at nine. I would like them to confirm from the hadeeth that between 6 and 9 years the prophet used to thigh her where thighing means rubbing a dick till orgasm on her thighs. While we now picture this prophet of allah engaging in paedophilia let us also look at the bigger picture of his se.xual life. He married his daughter in law after his adopted son divorced her when the prophet desired after seeing her scantily dressed. Angel Gabriel then revealed that it was lawful for the prophet to marry anyone who desired him. Angel jibril also revealed an ayat that banned child adoption so that it became lawful for the prophet to marry and have sex.ual relationship with his daughter in law. This prophet of islam and his allah was very also blessed with the strength of 30 men sex.ually!!

NL member: Is this a joke? A girl of niine can give her consent? What is this nonsense?
A girl of nine is a child, is still immature and has no life experience or enough wisdom to know how the world works or to even understand herself to know what she wants for herself, scientifically her brain and cognitive functions are not even mature enough, what is this nonsense I'm reading?
You people will say anything to defend your prophet even when it goes against common sense.
You golpen, will you give your nine year old daughter out to a fifty something year old man in marriage?
Infact don't even bother answering that question because I am sure you will come here and say you can do it just to avoid making your religion look bad.

I am shocked at the beliefs you people have, and somebody actually liked golpen's post! This is unbelievable.

All this is even beside the point. Aisha wasn't married off at nine, she was married off at six.
Are you also going to claim that a girl of six can give her consent for marriage?
Answer this question golpen!

While I am new here I am requesting muslims here to tel me what sources acceptable to Islam I should quote. For instance why the prophet was allowed to marry 12 wives concurrently while all believers of his (pbuh) were limited to 4. Just need to know. I came across a few edicts from the prestigious alumni of that university that beats all logic.

While I am new here I am requesting muslims here to tel me what sources acceptable to Islam I should quote. For instance why the prophet was allowed to marry 12 wives concurrently while all believers of his (pbuh) were limited to 4. Just need to know.

Just want dear Muslims here to tell us in black and white no mincing words that the teachings, rulings and fatwas from this campus represent the true Islamic teachings and the sunna of the prophet. Should muslims honour the teachings of the Al Azhar alumni? Do muslims here have a better day authority today with more enlightened teachings than the oldest Egyptian university worth emulating?

In Iran the Ayatollah is the supreme leader by virtue of being the one whom the Shia Mahdi is closest to. The founder of Islamic Republic of Iran Ayatollah Khomeini lowered the age of marriage for girls to 9 years. As a good example he also married a 10 year old while he was 28. Truly following the Sunna of o Muhammad (pbuh).

I was expecting some slack. No the luxor terrorists did not murder 258 innocent tourists they only murdered 58. Then one of the participants is now the governor of Luxor. Muslims here are cröoning that sharia states have justice i dare say that the whole trial is a sham to show Egyptian donors the Americans with their 1.3 b dollars of Aid that they respect the law and also force the free world to criminalise criticism of Islam. If you remember one of terrorists involved in the Luxor massacre of 258 innocent tourists in Egypt a number of years ago was 3 days ago named a governor of the same area. Talk about double speak and muslims excel in it. Jail a cleric who burns a bible but release convicted terrorists from prison and appoint one as a governor.

It would be nice if Muslims listed the bible verses that are not corrupted. And the reasons why they are not. I am sure only the verses that they use to authenticate Muhammad would be the top among the top on the list.

cleanvessel: Why do you people interpret the bible to suit your arguments?

''I will put my spirit on him'' Don't you know the meaning of that? Was any spirit of God put on Muhammad? Was he not just seeing a spirit who gave him revelations?

The spirit was not upon Muhammad, no spirit was dwelling inside him. Gabriel only came occationally to give him revelations. You know what? Gabriel is not the spirit the bible is talking about. It has been proved beyond reasonable doubt that Gabriel was not from the true God. He incorporated the worship of idol into the religion (islam) he established plus other things. What is the proof you have that Gabriel was an angel of God? I have many proofs that he was not. The Bible that says we should test all spirits whether they are of God has its reasons (I John 4:1).

I tell you the truth Gabriel was on his own. Did you see God speaking in the quran? How would there be such lots of revelations at various times and places without God Himself uttering a word. The only time Muhammad said Allah spoke to him was in his one-night dream to paradise. What he saw in that dream shows it is not the true paradise as dream most times is against reality.

May God deliver you from satanic manipulations.

She was 9 years at consumation. Sahìh Bukhari. In another thread I have been told that sahìh bukhari is next to Koran. True or false?

NL member: Firstly, please stop lying, Aisha was nine years old when the prophet consummated their marriage, she wasn't 16 to 21. Even your muslim sisters on this thread have confirmed it so don't even try to go down that apologist route.
And a nine year old is still a child, how can she know what she wants or what kind of husband she will like to marry at that age? Even if she is among those rare girls that enter puberty at 9years, she is still a child.

You peeps want to claim that nothing is wrong with a nine year old sleeping with a fifty something year old man but you'll never let your nine year old children sleep with a fifty something year old man.
Then you want me to accept that Islam is a religion for all times and all civilizations.

I may agree with him. Islam is taking a huge beating nowadays. Muslims lying about their prophet are being caught out even here. Am I the only one who has noticed that the most staunch defenders of Islam the likes of lagoshia, vedaxcool, tbaba et al are posting less and less. I think they may be realising that they have been brainwashed ever since they learnt to talk. Islam is a cancer that the free world should do away with.

tosin2013: @ Betathings, dont mind him, he's just been plain dumb! one ex-muslim makes him a founding member of ISlam!

[/code]Years of being an Moslem has led one of the founders of islam & President of Islamic Youth Organization, Palestine to leave islam and declare that Islam will collapse in 10 Years.[code]

There were authors who wrote that Jesus was crucified. One of them was a Roman writer by name Josephus of Tiberius who wrote a number of years after the fall of Jerusalem and mentioned the cruel crucifixion before 100 AD. Jerusalem fell around 70 AD by the way. Allah came up in Mecca 600 years later in the desert of Saudi Arabia to claim that the bible is corrupt. I DONT trust Allah at all.

basilico: Jesus was born around 4 BC. He was crucified by the order of Roman emperor around 33 AD. Why did Allah wait another 600 years later to confirm to muslims 1500 miles away to Mecca from Golgotha that Jesus was not crucified but someone else while muslims claim that he Jesus called out to allah on the cross?

Jesus was born around 4 BC. He was crucified by the order of Roman emperor around 33 AD. Why did Allah wait another 600 years later to confirm to muslims 1500 miles away to Mecca from Golgotha that Jesus was not crucified but someone else while muslims claim that he Jesus called out to allah on the cross? [quote author=oluamid][/quote]

I will answer him if he or you shows me where in the holy book for once clearly outlines the (5 ?) pillars of Islam. Top on the list will be the ayat in the quran says that one should pray 5 times a day and also when it was reduced from 50 times a day. Peace. If you follow my line of thinking I want us to agree with evidence available that the quran is complete and as such one does not need the hadith to follow islam to the letter. Then we use the quran only as opposed to other sources not directly brought down by Allah to get a few answers.

And so your quran may be the word of Allah but you need other non allah sources to fulfil islam meaning Allah missed out. You also need to learn classical arabic to understand him. So was muhammad allah?

BetaThings: ^^^^
And?

Well I have read here muslims saying that quran is complete in itself but apparently that is not the case. Being a hafeez is all useless if you do not read the hadeeths. In any case the quran is arranged by the length of each verse the longest ones at the end and not in any chronological order thus requiring numerous references to books not sent down by allah but written by the companions. These issues make it really difficult for me to trust the quran as the unchanged word of Allah.

The quran is the word of Allah yes but to follow islamic prayer, life and rituals you need the hadiths. The quran tells yo pray but not how. So the quran itself is not a complete.

Not seen or heard anywting about this. Did if ask the Boko haram to stop murdering civillians? Did he advice them that killing of innocent is 'forbid' in the Koran?

smoy: The gate is reopened

With the weight given to these sahìh sources Can we for a start say that islam cannot be practiced in full without the hadeeths? In other words the Koran is not complete without the authentic hadeeth?