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I'm above your type. Thank you.

Lol! . . .Thread from the good old days when we were all still sane.
===hugs ndu_chucks===

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Dude, I appreciate it, but Koruji is a guy I really admire on NL. The argument is robust, but thats all it is.

koruji:
I understand these points, but they don't justify giving someone the right to take up a state's appointment  after 6 months of residing there. Your example points to people who were born & bred in a state, so we are talking years here not months.

Doesn't it seem ironic that a group of people would claim they fought to free themselves from domination, but at every turn make in-your-face statements of how they are going to dominate other ethnic groups? I think the bigots know themselves.

Who are these people, where did they make these "in-your-face" statements and who do they propose to dominate? You still have not addressed the reason why Jonathans ethnicity and the fact that he hails from ND are relevant points in an argument about the 6 year tenure proposal. I'm sure quite a few will be interested in the connection.

History has shown how such wars are fought. The US and USSR warred other through all sorts of proxy battles in places like Cuba, Afghanistan etc; you arm your allies to grapple and scrap, that way you avoid the nuclear button in an unwinnable war.
This time the battlefields will be countries with rich oil and mineral reserves.

T9ksy:
N_N,

Like i wrote in one of my posts above, i can't see an infidel becoming governor of a sharia state like zamfara.

And i know that if it can't happen in the north, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN ODUALAND!

"Aigbo ile wo ni baba re ti wa" will be the first question.

An inability to provide the required answer to this question will put paid to any lofty ambition of governorship in that particular state.

There will always be those "omo ales" willing to bring in outsiders to wreck havoc on their fathersland. That's nothing new and not peculiar to Odualand.

In the past, they have not been able to actualise their ambitions and neither will they be allowed to do so in yorubaland now.

Its an open secret how much hatred the igbos harbours for us yorubas.

Is it the igbos who constantly call us despicable names that will now be voted for to govern over us?

Hell will freezes first before that's allowed to occur in yorubaland.

It will mark a return to the old "wild wild west".

No shaking, my brother! I just dey Look & Laugh.

I sincerely hope they pass the bill into law as we will finally be able to settle once and for all, who the real "cowards" are and also that no part of yorubaland is a "No man's Land"

Yet Gbenga Daniel is an Isoko man? Did anybody die because he failed the "Aigbo ile wo ni baba re ti wa" question? Did anybody even dare ask?
Abeg drop all the backwardness jare!
Only insecure people reject guests; go check, in so many parts of Nigeria the past, a slave could rise to becaome king. Ever heard of Jaja of Opobo?
Ethnic bigotry makes people so primitive that when they are quacking revolting crap, they don't even realise it.

Some of Nigeria's past leaders have been foreigners too, did people fall ill because of that? Rubbish.

This is the only unquestioned statement:

John said "I did not do it".

I wish you would stop replying to my posts with accusations of ethic bigotry and the like. You know that is far from the truth. However, ethnic identity is very important. The bigots are the ones who telling their hosts that all they need is that law to take over the rulership of their states, openly preaching division among Yorubas. It was only "yesterday" that the same people were preaching violence to ensure that ACN does not have a toehold in their regions because it is a "Yoruba" party - and you were one of those lending tacit support. All of a sudden such people are championing the loosening of state residence rules because they have fleeting power.

Dude, those who were afraid of having ACN in their backyards were scared because of ACN's unhidden ethnic bias. These are people who have fought long battles to free themselves from the thumb of the core-North who similarly care only for themselves. Any other party would find the ND to be fertile and welcoming; from Labour to DPP to ANPP etc. The opening up of state of residence rights is totally different to a fight against exploitation and continued enslavement.

Don't accuse me of not liking the president either as that is also completely untrue. What I don't like is this focus of his on things that are less useful to Nigerians. What I said about the ND is actually something that people of the region will soon realize to be true. And if you think this is about the ND here is another example. You and others have complained vehemently about Fulani herdsmen grazing their cattles without respect for the original residents. Of course this is a completely untenable situation. What I see emanating from the President's 6 month residence bill is that it will give some legitimacy, or at least some excuse, to this kind of behavior. Again I say if a person can reside in my state for 6 months and take the appointment meant for my state, why can't I put my cattle on any land that is fallow in his state. Do we want a true Federation or are we simply trying to perfect the completely imperfect amalgation that Lugard started. If he were alive today Lugard would be ashamed that we have figured out how to come up with a better arrangement yet.

Anybody that has grown up in the ND is very welcome to share its resources, afterall they drink and bath from the same polluted water as us. They suffer the same asthma's and cancers, so why shouldn't they have the same rights as ND people?
The quest for resource control is not pursued out of greed; that is the lure for politicians and other parasites whose eyes are glazed over by dollar signs. The quest for resource control is in very stack terms, the battle for survival that can only be won when the welfare of our environment is in our own hands. The UN study of Ogoni land should have driven the nak'ed truth home to every Nigerian. Ogoni land is quite small, but would cost $1billion to clean up; extrapolating that result across the whole ND which is very much as polluted, would only lead to mind boggling and surreal cleanup estimates.

There are Hausa people who were born in places like Warri and haven't the slightest clue where "home" is; there are also tonnes Yoruba's who were born and bred there. A great example is AY, personally I find it difficult not to see him as Urhobo, he is making a living off the culture he imbibed and the comedians he moves with are mainly Urhobo. He inhaled the same noxious fumes from gas flares, he speaks the lingo and walks the walk. Dude, AY is as much an ND person as I am, so is Nneka the musician and a thousand and one others.

I cannot fathom how those I grew up with could ever be a threat to my cultural or ethnic identity simply they belong to different ethnic groups.

In any event, all these arguments about ethnicity and identity have nothing whatsoever to do with the 6 year tenure proposal.

PointB:
Tribalism is bigger than corruption!

Couldn't be more right.

I wish you would talk about the President without attempting to drag the name of the ND in dirt. If you don't like the President, it really is down to you to approach matters outside of muddying his ethnicity or section.
The primitive sentiments that your approach relies on are the exact thing the President is attempting to erase. If Nigerians like yourself decide to sing hurrah to ethnic bigotry, at least it is known that someone in position tried to banish it.

Oga becomerich. I find it difficult to argue with those who are deliberately illiterate.

Please go and read the CBN Act 2007, the President cannot sack the CBN boss without 2/3's of the senate agreeing.

I have the professional version, and yes VS 2010 is simply wikid.
No other IDE comes remotely close. The only drawback is the amount of memory it hugs.

abouzaid:
The biggest mistake i have made in my life is to invest in the nigerian stock exchange. We really need a revolution in this country. Imagine big time criminals like ibru and bode george getting as little as 2yrs imprisonment. WE NEED A REVOLUTION NOW

Banks don't have to be stolen when all that is required, is to jail the CEO's. Why close a bank because the CEO stole money? Sanusi is a bush man with and agenda, he has no clue of what the job entails.

abouzaid:
Beaf since u seem to know so much about maps can u tell me what the employment opportunities is like for fresh graduates of geographic information system(GIS) in nigeria

No, I don't do GIS, I'm more an image processing guy. However, you should look to Lagos where Fashola is doing a lot of forward looking GIS work, the FG is doing similar in Abuja.

Better still, get a website and start a biz. Nigeria is very under-mapped and there are tonnes of opportunities.
From the sort of degree you've mentioned, I guess you are abroad; so, if I were you, I would spend a solid year making links and hooking up with financiers and enablers that might be interested (even if they are from Croatia); being abroad offers you lots of opportunities that might be lost when you step back into 9ja unprepared.

Goodluck.

I quite like Sule Lamido. He isn't part of the old bunch of vultures that have wrecked their own North with millions of almajiri's and prostrated Nigeria.
I would very strongly support Sule Lamido, I don't know about 2015 tho.

I find it ridiculous, thoroughly obnoxious, that anybody would declare that Allah, Jesus or whatever commands the FG.
Nigeria is a secular state with massively troublesome religious polarities, therefore "Islamic" banking is an abberation and avoidable troublemaking. It is ok for states to have "Islamic" banking, thats their business, but there will never ever be a state religion in Nigeria and sharia will never ever be FG policy.

nagoma:
@Beaf
"There is nothing you can do about her, even with magic. Lol!
Face your front! "

You may get baki - but may not know that - baki shi kan yanka wuya.

If you need to live in peace with others, then you need to learn respect. It is a mutual thing, not one way.

[size=14pt]‘Islamic banking is Allah’s command’[/size]
By Tajudeen Adebanjo

Nigerian Muslims have been called upon to give Islamic banking all the needed support because it is the command of Almighty Allah.

This call was made by the Chairman, Joint Technical Committee, Lagos State Muslim Council (LSMC), Prof Tajudeen Gbadamosi during the 2011 Ramadan lecture organized by LSMC.

Speaking on the topic; “Islam and Contemporary Challenges”, Prof. Gbadamosi said that as five daily prayers, Hajj and fasting in this month are commands of Allah, so also is the issue of Islamic banking.

Quoting copiously from the Quran, the scholar reminded Muslims of Allah’s command that interest is forbidden and that those who are still charging and taking interest should be prepared for Allah’s wrath.

“Islam is a perfect, complete, comprehensive and divinely-chosen religion which is all-inclusive of the past, addresses the present and gives guidance about the future. It is for all people at all time and as Muslims, we are expected to submit ourselves wholly to Allah’s command,” he said.

Islam, he said, will always face challenges as it was done in the past because those whose past time is falsehood will not yield to truth easily.

He urged parents to give greater attention to quality education.

“Let us encourage our children not to stop academics at first degrees programme. All Islamic organisations should have long term plans aimed at encouraging quality education. In addition, there is no synergy between knowledge and good character among our children. Let us embark on integrating knowledge with good character and moral upbringing,” he said.

http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/news/15060-%E2%80%98islamic-banking-is-allah%E2%80%99s-command%E2%80%99.html

Civilised people do their dirty work in the dark. It takes a primitive mind to put another human in a cage, it also takes a primitive mind to absorb the gory spectacle as justice.

By all means, sentence the man to death, even then, the hanging must be done in private.

Caging an ex-leader only disgraces Egypt and belittles the office of the president. Like I said a few pages back, I do not see a bright future for Egypt if this is what is to be expected. The place is going to dissolve into a barbaric cesspit with riots, blood and wars, just like Somalia.

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What GEJ is saying is that there have been corrupt practices in the past that led to govt parastatals being sold to unsuitable people. That is what led companies built with Nigeria's money to simply crumble away with nothing to show and no improved value for the populace. There must be accountability to the Nigerian people and thats the line GEJ is pushing.
In addition to GEJ's words, there is a Senate probe into what went on in the recent past, and I believe it will lead to several criminal convictions.

Government MUST be accountable to the people, we cannot continue to have shady deals that cost the Nigerian people dearly; that is GEJ's line.

nagoma:
Keep on blaming Northerners for everything. The northerners like Odili, Uzor Kalu, Andy Uba, the famous farmer OBJ, Tinubu and a host of others. Go on destroy your country. You are well on the way by putting a clueless puppet in the driving seat and he is told that he must work towards tenure extension and life presidency just like Mugabe. Forget about change or reformation in this country. As far as corruption is concerned you aint seen nothing yet! Southerners especially SS & SE are Godless - money is God and it doesnt matter who owns it. Mark my word.

Try to sound rational, sir. The topic is about the army, not Northerners, thank you. . . or is there something we need to know?

Madueke has really spoilt business for the old vampires that were sucking the country dry, now the phuckers are all angry and sponsoring trash stories.

Listen people, there is no more oil to steal and that sector will keep getting all loopholes blocked. The next one is to eject all those phucking distributors that caused artificial kerosine scarcity.

Yes vultures, feel free to tremble and quake, because that woman will wreck your thieving businesses.

If una like mek una kill una sef, nutin de happen!
If una like mek una hang una pikin dem, nutin de happen!

The woman is a heroine.

https://www.menas.co.uk/images/site/menas_news/photo/Nigeria_Dezeani%20Allison-Madueke1.jpg

funkybaby:
naijaking1, hallos.

i remember when we had various arguments regarding this confused sanusi dude last year, the likes of tkb417, jaybee, etc termed us as trouble makers.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-448462.64.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-448462.96.html

where's papabrowne sef

i'm surprised BEAf is anti-sanusi. I thought as a PDP loyalist, he would be sanusi's number one fan

Lesson 1; never draw conclusions about people.

Go check the anti-Sanusi threads again and you will find my position on the man.

ndu_chucks, nagoma etc. So many Hausa guys hyperventilating and thinking you can change the argument with your childish personal attacks against me. Listen up people, it has nothing to do with where he comes from, but everything to do with the fact that he is extremely divisive and emotionally unqualified.

The CBN job is not one to push hidden agenda's with, especially in these times when boko haram is dropping bombs on fellow Nigerians because of pseudo-religious reasons. We all know that the plan is to destabilise Nigeria and make the place ungovernable.
The CBN job is for someone who is totally civilised, moderate and steady-handed. There is no central bank anywhere in the World that is headed by a fire starter or a bush man who has no clue of the instabilities his actions create.

There must be a thousand ways to frustrate him in concentrated ways. Lol!

Demdem:
Both are to be blamed. Shikena.

Yes, but past govts sold out on the Nigerians people and allowed Shell run amock with Nigerian lives for profit. Do you know our army actually used to be conveyed to their killing fields in Shell helicopters? Or that sometimes Shell helicopters were used as platforms to shoot at the people? Shell also ordered the killing of Saro Wiwa (they have payed compensation in an out of court settlement).
No country treats its people in that manner, like cockroaches, even worse than commodities. IMHO, all past leaders and petroleum ministers need to be lined up and shot.

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lol!!!! Guy, you de vex o!

It is encouraging that GEJ has asked the UN to extend its study to cover the rest of the Niger Delta.
Hopefully, many like me who turned on taps as kids, only for a vile smelling liquid to issue out, would see some justice. Yes, we had to bath in tap water that had oil slicks, cook and drink the awful thing; just to line the pockets of some thieving fool of a Head of State in Dodan Barracks, Lagos.

[size=14pt]Ogoni: Blame Shell? No! Irresponsible governments [/size]
Monday, 08 August 2011 00:00 Phillip Isakpa

The chicken came home to roost last Thursday on the doorsteps of the Nigerian state. If you were ever in any need of evidence about how Nigerian governments, both military and democratic, have betrayed the Nigerian people over the years (and they are still betraying the Nigerian people, by the way), it all came out that very day.

The outcome of a 14-month study by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) of the oil rich Ogoniland, the land of the late writer and environmental campaigner, Ken Saro Wiwa, provided clear evidence of how the Nigerian State for over 50 years let its citizens in Ogoniland down by looking the other way, lining the pockets of its officials, while allowing the international oil company, Shell, to behave without any respect for environmental corporate governance, the people of the land and Nigeria and Nigerians in general.

What were the outcomes of the study? Well, it turned out that for over 50 years, the oil company, which ordinarily should be a tenant and be made to observe clearly stated, laid down principles of ethical and environmental behaviours, got away with murder, recklessly polluting the land through oil spills that were not attended to because, as usual, the cost would have eaten into profits; but more importantly, because the government policemen and women, who should have done something about this behavior, chose to let the citizens down!

[b]The study’s outcomes are bound to raise a lot of questions. In many countries where politicians care and work for their citizens, there would have been an uproar at the national and state houses of assemblies by now. Last Friday, when I began putting this piece together, it was only the picture of President Goodluck Jonathan in the papers smiling, while receiving the report of such an indicting study that confronted me.

Our distinguished and honourable members of the National Assembly, currently luxuriating on holiday, will never consider this a weighty matter to reconvene in an emergency session to deliberate upon. The ranking senators and representatives, including those who are supposed to be representing the Niger Delta region where the devastation has occurred, are not issuing statements from their constituency offices or from their holiday resorts! They are probably in the Caribbean, in the United States and around Europe showing off why they are called the most expensive National Assembly in the world![/b]

If there is ever going to be uproar, it would be an from those who see this as an opportunity to nail the international oil companies (IOCs). That group will comprise civil society and government officials. The latter, of course, would see ‘business’ in this and therefore use it as an opportunity to harass the IOCs into paying up and further lining their pockets. The other group, civil society, who may be seeking to nail IOCs, would do well to hold fire, because while IOCs such as Shell, Chevron, Mobil, Agip and their other co-drivers who are guilty know the word, in the pollution and the degradation of human life in their various areas of operation, the primary responsibility for this guilt is the Nigerian state and its various apparatuses of governance which have failed and continue to fail the Nigerian people in this matter.

[size=14pt]A fundamental question to ask is how did Shell, a company which would be very afraid to carry on business in Europe or America in the same way it does in Nigeria, go on for over 50 years degrading the Nigerian environment through both accidental and deliberate spillage, and consequently causing possible deaths of Nigerians, without being called to question? Whose responsibility, indeed, is it to call the company to question? As a business and a company involved in the business of oil exploration, the board of the company looks at the bottom line, with a responsibility to shareholders who want to see profits made from wherever the company operates. It is bound, where the law exists, to follow laid down principles set out for it to operate in the countries where it has operations. And it is bound by the rules of corporate governance, which will require it to ensure health and safety, to carry out strict environmental impact assessments, and be guided by a strong moral obligation to the people in the areas it operates.[/size]

For IOCs, it is very easy to follow these principles when they land in Europe and America to do business. The reason is that the standards set in those places are high. They are not only high, but are followed to the letters of the law and penalty for infringement is severe. British Petroleum (BP) is still smarting from the massive punishments from its oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico in the United States. The United States Congress got involved, the White House got involved, and the American people got involved.

Congress and the White House got involved not for their own sakes alone as politicians, but on behalf of the American people, especially those whose lives and businesses had been severely damaged by the action of the oil company. There were no chiefs, no politicians and no presidency officials going behind closed doors to hold meetings and submit foreign accounts for backhand payments to be made. And that is exactly the crux of the matter. Who should pay? And what should the nature of the payment be?

This is a matter of national interest requiring a national debate. It immediately calls for a national judicial commission of inquiry, one that helps us come to terms with how we came to this. We are talking about an environmental disaster to which the state has closed its eyes for more than 50 years. How and why did this happen? Who are those who turned their backs on Nigerian citizens while a company such as Shell looked after only its interest and that of its shareholders while operating in Ogoniland (and other places in the Niger Delta)? Are we going to allow this to pass like we have always done and not ask the hard questions of government officials, present and past, about what had driven their actions?

Should nobody in government, now and in the past, be answerable for this? If those who should take this up further: the National and State Houses of Assembly, the governors of states concerned, the Presidency led by the man who had no shoes as a boy, who saw all the devastations on the environment-fail to take this further, should we not find them complicit in this matter?

In the European Union (EU), there are minimum standards for everything produced in the member countries. There are also minimum standards of behaviour by corporate organisations. When goods are imported they must meet minimum acceptable standards before they can go into those countries. Those standards are set by government officials who work to protect their citizens and they work hard not to compromise them, not even when Shell is involved, not when Microsoft and Bill Gates are involved, not anybody, not any company. Politicians and government officials answer to the people when there is any sign of a compromise. The difference between them and us is that politicians compromise, look away and let their people down!

http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/analysis/columnists/25657-ogoni-blame-shell-no-irresponsible-governments

Legislators are angry that state house budget has gone up with all the bombing and security needs?
Lets raise their salaries even more! Bankole had a 100,000,000.00 salary which th legislators fixed themselves, so hey! Hip hip huray!!

I wonder what is wrong with some of you guys sha. Una chop sontin?
Sambo did not mention coup plotting as some of you are implying. These days, it is impossible to overthrow the govt by coup. However, military training can be used to derail the system. If you guys don't know, boko haram is made of top army and police personnel and boko haram is the nations foremost security problem today.
For example, boko haram was able to phone the governor of a highly strategic Northern state and tell him exactly where he was in state house, where he'd been and where his family was. Where do you think that sort of info comes from?

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Nonsense. A man must be active.