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I just think you Yoruba's are in danger of selling to the devil. The only state that can cope without the FG is Lagos and the natural allies of the SW are not in the core-North. Those are the two biggest clangers. I'm hearing stuff about rural states thats unreal; its best for the whole of the South and Middle Belt to sit and reach common ground than have unacheivable dreams. The only state that can afford to dream is Lagos.

I hope I've not been too diplomatic to be understood clearly. There realities on the ground we all need to face, I believe GEJ's view is quite longterm, but there is no better time than now to sieze opportunities.

I wonder if Osun Defender is worse than Sahara Reporters, or Sahara Reporters is worse than Osun Defender. Its confusing, because both are so damn poor!

sbeezy8:
tax like before tax under awo was high but worth it.

stop tryin to keep everyone dependent on fed govt

Chineke!
I'm the foremost proponent of true federalism on NL. I have always wondered if there is soil in Tinubu's skull that has been making him miscalculate and run to the core-North for alliances. Those guys are nobodies friends, they just wanna rule you.
If the core desire is true federalism, why diss those with whom you can get a block vote, while embracing your enemy? Makes no sense.

OAM4J:
Dont be too sure, it's still possible we have a run-off, this might force an alliance among the oppositions.

Even if ANPP joins the alliance, they will still be steamrolled. People are just deceived by Buhari's fake crowds that the Yar Adua cabal was hiring; except by miracle, he stands no chance.

OAM4J:
Wake up bro, many of the SW states are already having their IGR higher than the federal allocations from oil. And it will only get better.

That is not true. Lagos makes about a decent percentage of the money it needs (it still needs FG money), the rest will collapse without FG money for a month or two. How will they pay teachers, doctors and civil service workers?

dayokanu:
At this point, GEJ might be desperate to get votes from the SW and anything can be pushed.

E.g Juicy posts, Increased FG projects anything at this point, GEJ is desperate.

Or they might tell ACN not to step down for CPC regardless of the circumstance in returns for favours

GEJ is very far from desperate. Why would he be? The man just isn't smug, he's just being the nice guy that he is by pulling the country together after the very ugly campaigns.

sbeezy8:
FED gov didnt have that plan before, Lagos state did with PRIVATE INVESTORS EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.  Fed never intiated anything on their own. be forreal

Eko atlantic like LFTZ like Badagry enegy city all private investors.

we want private funds

I'm sure you are thinking of Obj as usual. Dude, he isn't the one in Aso Rock, he's an ally, thats all. Atiku started the Obj mania to to smear GEJ, there was also EK Clark, but that seems to have faded (most likely cos he's minority).
Anyways, its private money and private investors. Such stuff is good for unity govt. lol

OAM4J:
Lagos doesn't need the Federal Govt building things for them in 2011. We want a private sector led economy.

Let the private companies build and manage those plants. How fair are those ones the FG built over the years?

GEJ is a believer in the private sector, so thats who will be doing the building, but FG will have shares since they are facilitating; even Lagos can't raise that kind of money.

dayokanu:
Going to build in which century?

How many refineries have they built in the whole of Nigeria thats working?

In the next couple of years. A lot has already been signed and money sourced ($23billion).

sbeezy8:
no need to negotiate anything if the govs privatise alot of thing so it will be. we just need GEJ to be president and mind the country not worry about the SW like Obj did.

Obj had his nose too much in the SW imagine a whole president battle with a state Govenor like tinubu.

Will you reject the refinery and fertiliser plant he's going to build in Lagos? Lol!
Now, now, I wonder who's gonna build it? Do you now see the "importance" of GNU? Bruv, it helps.

^
It doesnt underestimate anything. I've been to all the states you mentioned (and more, count in the 30's). I'm sure I even know your state more than you can ever dream. LOL!
Anybody who is widely travelled in Nigeria will immediately recognise the validity of that map. Bayelsa is a very poor and very rural state, and it is reflected accurately, so are Ondo, Ekiti and Osun. You notice when you drivre tru. I know names of interior villages like Gbangan.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=644589.msg8106714#msg8106714 date=1302581713]@Beaf and ekubear ok then I'm glad we are not putting too much trust in that British data, those people just throw funny things around sometimes.

I'll check it out.[/quote]Its better than any data we have, though. And for someone like me that knows every crack and corner in Nigeria, it is quite accurate.

@Kilode?

You can find the map and a couple of others here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13021594

Be deceiving yourself there, instead of learning the meaning of PPP. Self consolation can't save you. lol!

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=644589.msg8106660#msg8106660 date=1302580716]Ekubear and Beaf where did y'all get that funny looking map and funny data from, I thought that KPMG PDF report we discussed last month placed ondo state as 6th largest economy in the country. Or was it just potential?[/quote]Thank you ekt_bear is just a bushman. Ok, I know you didn't abuse him, but am just helping.

Its from an election story on BBC. I'll see if I can find the link to post.

koruji:
ACN is not really the problem - the issue is whether CPC deliver the North for itself

If it is not clear to ACN whether PDP or CPC will carry the north, they simply need to stick with their party's candidate - that would be more honorable than going with the wrong one between PDP or CPC. It would also not look good to abandon Ribadu for political gain if he is not disposed to the arrangement - given that CPC has not shown itself to be able to handle PDP up north.

Alas, CPC cannot deliver the North, because the secret of the crowds was Aliero, Ruma and Tanimu Yakubu, deftly hiring almajiri's and bussing them from rally to rally.
The election has proven their weakness.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=644589.msg8106642#msg8106642 date=1302580329]Can someone please address Beaf's posts, explain to him why he is misunderstanding the graph (essentially it is a graph of GDP, not GDP/capita). He doesn't seem to get why his interpretation of the graph is wrong, and I'm tired of explaining it to him.

He thinks GDP (ppp) says something about individual wealth, rather than aggregate wealth. . . only a measure like GDP/capita would talk about individuals.[/quote]Do you think any state would be brighter than Bayelsa if it was GDP per capita only? Dude, Bayelsa produces 30% of our oil and has only 2 million people. LOL!!!!!
Learn the meaning of PPP.
Nobody needs your help.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=644589.msg8106608#msg8106608 date=1302579619]This is where they sourced the data from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_GDP
You can compute a sum of GDP per region, and see that ours is #1 or #2 (and if #2, behind the SS).

Here is a list of states by population: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_population

You can again divide, and see that ours GDP per capita is either #1 or #2. So I don't see what exactly we need from Nigeria. All we need is good government and limited interference. In other words, if we fix the roads in the SW, fix power, use our allocations prudently we'll be golden.[/quote]Don't be bloody silly. Simply compute how much oil Bayelsa produces, do the sums against their tiny population and then ask yourself why your argument fails to add up so woefully.
When you are done with that, learn the meaning of PPP.

That map is a statement of individual wealth distribution in Nigeria. It is a map of relative development. If you ever leave your little end of the World, you would know its accurate too, cos you'll see the difference as you travel. Unfortunately, you know zilch about the country and keep making wild assumptions that others need your help. Dude, in all cases apart from Lagos and Oyo, its the other way round.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/world/11/nigeria_election_toggle_maps/img/nigeria_wealth_624.gif

By the way, govt of national unity means that several parties form the govt, its not anti-federalism.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=644589.msg8106599#msg8106599 date=1302579359]Been there done that. They can shove the money, how about we pay them to stay in out for 30 years.[/quote]Thats a joke right?

sbeezy8:
im saying if the rest of the country want unity government no federalism etc then SW should stick to opposition this GEJ cannnot ride that unity train forever. his own people will regret him after if therr no federalism

disunity is always going to happen between north se and ss nc - when there is no dumb yoruba person mediating say let that ish play out.

Everybody wants true federalism, but there must be ordered steps and alliances to get there; so its not out of place.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=644589.msg8106587#msg8106587 date=1302578992]Why are we worried about other regions when they don't even seem worried for themselves? If they will not fight and build a legitimate democracy, why should we do it for them?

And I meant infrastructure projects by saying that $5 billion a year, btw.[/quote]You keep talking forkry, again, look at these map. You are not helping anybody and nobody needs your help, it is about Nigeria, not SW:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/world/11/nigeria_election_toggle_maps/img/nigeria_wealth_624.gif

EzeUche:
Anyway, I hope PDP punishes the SW. No more federal projects like they did in Lagos. Lets see how the SW survives.

Nah, if GEJ wins, he's gonna develop Lagos in particular.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=644558.msg8106536#msg8106536 date=1302577889]Lol @ toto

But GEJ needs to be vigilant, these people are trying so hard to soil his "free and fair" election

Strange results from one honest man.[/quote]Its not people trying to steal elections, but more like people being mischeivious in the hope that they can spark riots after the presidential elections.

Donlittle:
lol i guess yes with that answer, i knw u receive sumthin or a beautiful package awaits you, u just cant do this for free or can you?

no no no, not at all, i still always tell people i know, people are blind and still havent woken up from the pdp bondage, but who knows, in the next 20 years they might be awake, just that it might be too late and you know future might be a little bit black then.

you mean the buharis?? i could care for one of his granddaughter tho, cuz hausa ppl are so damn sexy. not all of em tho sum of em.

wait you care for some of buharis first son? we might be able to hook you up with them, u knw dere is a lot of social networking now. it easy

If Buhari was in power, you would have been locked up long since, because he brooks no dissent.
Keep listening to rumours and tall tails instead of reading up to learn, and of course, keep dreaming of demons like Buhari.

Buhari in meeting with Ciroma - http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/ciroma-group-cpc-open-talks-on-presidential-poll/89483/

ABUJA—NORTHERN political leaders were, yesterday, rallying round Major General Muhammadu Buhari the presidential candidate of the Congress for Progressive Change, CPC, with the prospect of lifting his fortunes during the weekend presidential election.

Among the leaders who met Buhari in Abuja were two former heads of state, Gen. Ibrahim Babangida and Gen. Abdulsalami Abubakar as well as erstwhile Vice-President Atiku Abubakar.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/04/northern-leaders-rally-round-buhari/

Who is in bondage?

Donlittle:
how much do you receive from pdp? or do you get paid? because u always online for like 20 hours per day o and u always siding pdp? or u just choose to side pdp everytime?

it an observation.

Its not your problem if I get anything or not. Its painful to lose when you've thrown everything immoral at an opponent, but take your loss without tears.
I wonder if you have dreams of marrying Buhari?

Alj Uche:
SMH

i am not fighting or aguring with you

all i am saying is if you are meant to fight corruption while in government, how is it possible to do so while making deals with corrupt people

i mean think now

or maybe i do not understand you, i want you to explain to me where i am wrong

please

Next time don't ask silly questions. Your Buhari is busy holding meetings with Ciroma, IBB, Atiku and Yar Adua's cabal that did all the hiring of almajiri's to deceive people like you with, "see crowd!!"

Donlittle:
@ beaf as u can see, i am posting news, not only of pdp, but acn and other parties, if you dont like what you see, get with it, or hit your head hard on the wall.

What makes you think I was referring to you? The story is useless.

EzeUche:
People are saying the word rigging to easily.

To be honest, these elections seem very fair.

Just because your party lost to the party in power, does not mean that there was rigging.

Dude, its best not to even contribute these threads, because common sense seems to evaporate. Can you imagine how it has taken so long after results were declared for contestants to suddenly come up with stories as serious as, "oh, no voting occurred in a ward, but there were 10,000 VALID results?" It seems ridiculous to me, especially with the open ballot system where everyone knew the result immediately after voting. How they even expect that one man could have thumbprinted 10k ballots remains another mystery.

The only good thing about the story is the name of the place, Toto! From experience, its a lovely place indeed!

Alj Uche:
you see this is where i have problems with you and GEJ

if you know someone is corrupt and can not be of any advantage, why negoitate any deal with him

i really do not understand, unless GEJ is corrupt as well

as they say bad companies fellows bad companies

do not really get it, please explain what deal can be made with a corrupt man serving in government

Abeg, go an die jare! Your BB is meeting with Ciroma as we speak and you're here killing yourself over GEJ, cos you fear what I posted on my thread will come to pass.
Who cares what you as a biased individual thinks anyway? LOLZ!

The whole story sounds wishy-washy and desperate. No exact instances or offences are given.

sbeezy8:
lol

since when did meeting with ACN become a big deal? o my after bad the election huh lol

but really though ACN and PDP two different parties I dont expect anything to come out of it. it is what it is.

If anything i didnt expect ACN to win that much though PDP will still remain but this should be a worry for GEJ camp SW people might ride to ACN train all the way.

i dont think anyone should cut any deal.

GEJ always crosses the last t and dots the last i. So, even though a victory is almost assured on Saturday, there is no sense in behaving like a snub (thats not GEJ anyway).

Alj Uche:
i thought you said tinubu was corrupt and so jonathan can not associate himself with such people

what happened

Tinubu is corrupt, make no mistake. Jonathan will associate with the people on whose behalf Tinubu negotiates. There's a difference, you will not see Tinubu becoming anything in a GEJ govt.

LOL! I spent the whole of yesterday convincing NLers that something could be in the offing with the likes of Fashola, but many thought I was crazy!
Tinubu will deal.