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[quote author=matiltom_d link=topic=413351.msg5696958#msg5696958 date=1268664607]Goodluck Jonathan, well done!!! I knew it, you can never let your enemies see bed sleep, good job bro! [/quote]It has nothing to do with Goodluck Jonathan (except, maybe his blessing).
If you read the article again, you will see that it is the action of Niger Delta people. ND people have always tried to bring Ibori to justice, but havealways been foiled by the FG, especially through Aondoakaa.

Oba234:
Mend is nothing but a terrorist group and should be classify as such.

That is the prayer of all oil parasites.
Fortunately, foreign countries are revulsed by the government sponsored human rights abuses in the Niger Delta and will NEVER classify MEND as terrorist.

[size=14pt]We know who the real Boko Harams, parasites, thieves, murderers, terrorists and cabals are.[/size]

oyb:
ouch - i moved too fast. enjoy .  

True, speaking too quickly is not a sign of wisdom.
Limit yourself to what you know, instead of attempting to twist the truth and getting caught pants down.

oyb:
http://www.start.umd.edu/start/data/tops/terrorist_organization_profile.asp?id=4692

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2006/82738.htm

sraight from united  states  homeland security and the state department  

do you honestly think the us will not classify an organisation that kidnaps its citizens and bombs facilities run by its companies based in its sister countries as anything but terrorist?

Now I know you are daft and can't understand what you are reading. Olodo, you don't even know the meaning of "concern".
This is the full list of terrorist organisation according to the US. Show me MEND in it, ode!

Country Reports on Terrorism

Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism

April 30, 2007


Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) aliases cited are consistent with and drawn from the Specially Designated Nationals list maintained by the Department of Treasury. The full list can be found at the following website: http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sdn/sdnlist.txt

Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
Ansar al-Sunna (AS)
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Asbat al-Ansar
Aum Shinrikyo (Aum)
Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
Communist Party of Philippines/New People's Army (CPP/NPA)
Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA)
Gama'a al-Islamiyya (IG)
HAMAS
Harakat ul-Mujahedin (HUM)
Hizballah
Islamic Jihad Union (IJU)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM)
Jemaah Islamiya Organization (JI)
Al-Jihad (AJ)
Kahane Chai (Kach)
Kongra-Gel (KGK/PKK)
Lashkar e-Tayyiba (LT)
Lashkar i Jhangvi (LJ)
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (GICM)
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
National Liberation Army (ELN)
Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)
Al-Qaida (AQ)
Al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI)
Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) [Formerly Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC)]
Real IRA (RIRA)
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Revolutionary Nuclei (RN)
Revolutionary Organization 17 November
Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)
Shining Path (SL)
United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC)

oyb: me champion those vandals? when ? where?

the true cowards are those cheering from the safety of countries that have classified mend as a terrorist organisation

[size=14pt]I challenge you to show where a single country has classified MEND as a terrorist organisation.[/size]
You think other countries contain the same sort of wicked foo'ls that are running amock as "leaders" in Nigeria?
Other countries are aware of the gross humanrights abuses in the Niger Delta.

netotse:
they should go after the embezzlers now, they should stop making people that are not involved suffer. . .

I don't understand.
. . .They attacked government house, Warri! That isn't a market or any other sort of public place.
What do you mean by "people that are not involved"? Today, you people will say "start with your governors", when MEND does it, they are accused of "making people that are not involved suffer".

Abeg!

waoosa:
I learnt an Okada man and his passenger died. Got this news from acollegue that witnessed this as our office is very close to the scene but fear no let me near there.

Dat one na rumour!
There are no deaths or injuries.

enohj2ee:
Hmm, This is not North now, so the Anti- Northern where are you guys? and how can you analyzed this?

You are so funny. MEND attacked goverment house Warri, with clear warnings and enough time for people to escape. They are fighting fo a principle.

Do you compare that to the murderous thugs of Kala Kato, Maitatsine, Boko Haram and the likes of those that slaughtered 500 women and new born babies in Jos? Charlie, something is wrong with your brain.

honeric01:
Hope people didn't die?

No, adequate warning was given by MEND.

Thinking of no better way to announce our continued presence in the Niger Delta to Mr Uduaghan, operatives of MEND today March 15, 2010, successfully breached the security at the Delta state government house in Warri and planted three explosive devices in and around this compound which is the venue of the Vanguard Post Amnesty Dialogue organised by the Vanguard newspaper.

These devices will be detonated remotely:
In our usual effort to prevent the loss of innocent life, the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta advises the immediate evacuation of the the Government House annex Warri and its immediate surroundings up to the Delta state Brodcasting Corporation.

The time given for this evacuation before the detonation of the first bomb is thirty (30) minutes which will elapse by 1130 hrs Nigerian time. The primary school bordering the government house annex should be evacuated immediately!

The first bomb will be detonated at exactly 1130 hrs. We will thereafter advise on the other devices planted within and around the venue of the vanguard newspaper organised and Delta state sponsored conference. Organisers and participants at this jamboree will ignore this warning at their peril !!!

People must not remain in their cars and attempt to drive their cars and maintain safe distance from all cars and the area!

oyb:
how many people received the warning of your heroes?

not everyone has access to the internet

What do you propose?

netotse:
i sincerely hope you wont believe all that ^^

the warning MEND gave, what was it? was it them telling people to stay away from the venue or was it just one of their 'government is a naughty person , they will pay. . .' warnings, hold which dirty human life dear. . .

like oyb said sha, lose someone close to you to their foolishness and lets see if you'll be singing the same tune!

What do you propose?

MEND has always warned people about this. They have been warning over and over for months now.
They will continue fighting for what is right and like true heroes, they hold human life very dear; that was why they gave a warning.
The corrupt system has itself to blame.

MEND will continue acting, while cowards pray and push their wives forward to fight for them.

toideve:
this is serious o , i was at the market today as my Sunday's routine to get some soup things i was surprised to price 2 pieces of onions for 100NGN . I just vex commot

This tells you there is real money in farming.

gowaga68:
dont you pray for peace and solution to 9ja problem

All we do is pray. As soon as people start canvassing solutions, they are accused of formenting war.
You people are cowards who can't admit that there are problems and attempt to solve them. People of Nigeria have been praying since 1960, while other countries are developing.

farochron:
Seun should sensor all posts and ensure that inciting ones do not find their way to the boards simple. If any one is not happy about this let him or her go and create his own blog.

What a clown. Why don't you go and resurrect Idi Amin?
. . .And this is not a blog.

redsun:
Nigeria need a change of orientation,not name.Name is just an identification but the substance behind a name is the mind that concorts and bears it.

I disagree. Every African name has a meaning and we are African.
A name is more than "just an identification". You wouldn't build a villa and call it "You olodo's"; I know that is quite an extreme example, but you can see where I'm coming from. We should have a positive name from within our culture.
I still root for the name of our tiniest ethnic group.

becomricch:
look you, when i started pasting the picture, someone offer me, money to stop posting the pictures.  Peopl elive the owner of nairaland want  nigeria by force if people would die. I dont, dead people dont have passport and dont have country. They are dead moron1. They are dead people.

They cant come back again. wake up. You would never see them again.

I dont want people to die because of some people greed. I am offering to appear before the USA senate to show them the danger we would face. I am ready to go on Oprah if I have too. nigerian dont have much, they should not loss the little they have. even i know they are poor, but thier life means alot to me.   A man desperate ambition of wanted to be president by force over the lifes of millions that may be killed. A good leader sacrifices for his people.

My guy, when you get to the senate, they will surely not have any interpreters for Engrrrrrish!
Don't waste your time at all sir!

You want to "go on Oprah"! Biko nu!
You say she no get bobo? Abi you wan go early grave?

Can I do that if I was illegally living in Canada. No. Illegally people do not travel

So the "electricity engineer" na illegal alien wen no get kpali? Chai!!!
Abeg, becomerich, yarn us tori, na lorry you enter go canada?

@Tippy Top

The last time anybody started such a brain dead thread about their fellow Nigerians, it was thugs that were on here threatening to kill people and their families. The baboons have now melted away.
To this type of foo'l, all Nigerians are slaves to be milked, their wives and daughters ra'ped and babies chopped up by the hundred.

Times are changing boy, don't be caught on the wrong side of the fence.

aisha2:
They wont because no one knows their real identity on nairaland, Most of them are to afraid to come out for a common protest march even in Lodon and US, they will say police will kill them yet there are the same once calling for war, will they fight the war?
They come here and make all sorts of statements, I dare them to make such statements on facebook where they are known and can be traced

Aisha, I surely didn't call for war. I got angry because a poll on a thread I created was changed and the topic renamed on the home page in such a way that the article had a different meaning. Both the renaming an promotion to the front page occured after the thread had done 14 pages in less than two days.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-411586.416.html#msg5684803

A couple of pertinent questions;
(1) If the article was such a security bother, why promote it to the front page (after it had reached page 14)?
(2) Why was the article given an inflamatory title on the home page?

All of this is the result of an attempt to monetize that article. . . absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it was done wrongly and the suppressed anger the average Nigerian feels with the govt was directed squarely at Seun. After all the hair tearing, I agree with you that we should let this go away, it doesn't serve anyone any good; its just stretching on too far now.
So I beg, everybody, please lets all calm down.

Abagworo:
a more universally accepted made in nigeria name will do.a lot of african countries have changed their european given names.this includes among others rhodesia and gold coast.

Why would the name of the smallest ethnic group not be acepted?

Give it the name of the smallest ethnic group. We are likely to find such a group in the Eastern partsof the Middle Belt.
Doing that wil project to both ourselves and the World that, everyone to the tinyest ethnic group is respected and valued. It will also rid us of the shame of bearing a foreign name suggested by Luggards mistress.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=412959.msg5691339#msg5691339 date=1268587907]I agree that we should establish a framework for this so-called SNC. I simply picked the first issue listed by Sapeleguy.

Please itemize the order in which you think the issues should be discussed and jumpstart the process.[/quote]I already did that partially at https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-412959.0.html#msg5690793
Here's a fuller framwork;

[list]
[li]A definition for patriotism[/li]
[li]A definition for citizenship[/li]
[li]Create a list of areas where the citizen gets automatic protection[/li]
[li]Create a list of basic citizens rights (rights to expression, land, water, food, justice and fairplay, place of origin etc)[/li]
[li]Only after the above have been acheived, should we begin to create a contract between ethnicity and state[/li]
[li]Analyse and decide the architecture, services, demographics and institutions that are optimal for citizen-state synergy[/li]
[li]Analyse and decide optimal borders for entities that make up the state[/li]
[/list]

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=412959.msg5691238#msg5691238 date=1268586613]Initial Thoughts Resource Control:

Every state should be able to control 100% of its resources while being made to pay applicable "federal taxes" on earnings from those resources.

Having said that, the federal government should retain ownership of all off shore oil fields and the right to enter into joint ventures with interested parties regarding  the fields. All currently known inland oil  fields should remain  under the full control of the federal government.

State governments who discover new oil can exploit the opportunity as they see fit while paying applicable "taxes" to the feds. As of now, not a single state can boast of developing any of its natural resources to the point of generating billions of naira. Every state has a hand out to receive monthly allocation.

The NASS will determine future land that will be converted into government owned property.

Even in democracies like the USA, 650 million acres of land — almost 30 percent of the land area, 75% or more of Nevada and large areas in Utah and Arizona,  75% of Alaska owned by the federal government.  These are the most oil and natural resource rich land in the USA!

I expect vigorous opposition, but let's see where things will end up.[/quote]We are having an SNC which will define what a state should be. If we don't yet have that definition, you are jumping the gun and dealing with the wrong end of the stick by talking about taxes to be paid.
Should we not first define who a Nigerian is and what their rights are? Then we can start talking about state, oil fields, gold etc.
That is the only way to establish that neither the state nor the citizen is cheating the other (Corruption and oppression).

^
Please keep you war talk away from here and talk with intelligence an honesty. You guy's brought up war to derail that thread and you succeeded.
What is your contribution to this SNC talk? Nothing?

Afam:
@Beaf,

Why did you succumb to the blackmail by ndu_chuks?

These quotes remain the very foundation of Nigeria and until they are addressed we will be wasting time.

ndu_chuks knows this and that remains the reason why he was uneasy about them.

Your leaders ask you to kill and maim and till today people are doing just that yet someone does not want such serious issues discussed.

Henceforth I will have this quotes in my responses here so that everyone will read them and know how we may have gotten to this point in our country.

You are right. But, I have replaced them with a link, knowing they will come up several times within the discussion for the simple reason that our faulty politics can be traced right back to them.
Those words will be quoted several times, I don't see how that can be avoided.

SapeleGuy:
In truth, our problems started before the so called founding fathers. We as a 'more enlightened generation' can begin to problem solve by dealing with the issues as they manifest themselves today.

There is a synergy between those quotes from the so called founding fathers and our situation today but there needn't be a dependency. Let us move forward.

1. Resource Control (Land Use Act).
2. Federal Character.
3. Religious or Secular State.
4. Balanced Military (equal contribution from all the geopolitical zones to the armed forces)
5. Decentralised Police Force.
6. Common pass marks for national exams.
7. Genuine Census Figures.
8. Regional Political Parties.

These are just some of the issues that we need to address to move forward.

I would also add technological progress and individual fulfilment to your list; but, in my opinion, we must first establish what a desirable relationship between government and citizen should be (contract between citizen and state); that is fundamental. As soon as we can identify (in an ideal Nigeria);
(a) what the citizen owes the state (in patriotism and sweat) and
(b) what the state owes the citizen (in rights and services),
it would become much easier to build an equitable society, as all factors would rely on an established relationship between citizen and state (as against region-state or ethnicity-state).

Let us establish;
[list]
[li]A definition for patriotism[/li]
[li]A definition for citizenship[/li]
[li]Create a list of areas where the citizen gets automatic protection[/li]
[li]Create a list of basic citizens rights (rights to expression, land, water, food, justice and fairplay, place of origin etc)[/li]
[li]Only after the above have been acheived, should we begin to create a contract between ethnicity and state[/li]
[/list]

I believe that after we have done the above, everything else will begin to slot naturally into place.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=412959.msg5690654#msg5690654 date=1268576750]I simply thought the introductory post would have been more neutral if it contained only the last 2 paragraphs which began with "The purpose of this National Conference   " without the objectionable quotes in question. The quotes and other issues could be brought up later. As I said, its only a recommendation and you don't have to accept it.[/quote]"Objectionable" is a relative term.
Ok, they've been taken out and replaced with a link for the sake of an honest and participatory discussion.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=412959.msg5690595#msg5690595 date=1268575549]I am simply suggesting that the quotes should not be included in the introduction of the thread. The neutrality of the introductory post is what I was recommending to the OP - he does not have to oblige.[/quote]Seriously, I strived to make the article fair and wish it would be perceived that way. Test me, see if there is any quote on the founding of the country you suggest I add that I wouldn't.
There might be very worthwhile things that the likes of Azikiwe, Okpara, Dennis Osadebay, Jereton Marierie, James Otobo, Enahoro etc said that I honestly missed; please if you have any, test me; see if I will not add them to the article.

Alonso wins a race that has been an anti-climax.
. . .The race track was just wrong.