ono: I mean, what type of doublespeak and useless thinking can rival this ?
“ But when you think about it, it’s kind of brutal toward Kamala Harris’s predecessor as the presumptive Democratic nominee. Michelle Obama was quite clearly implying that the party, and perhaps the country, had lost hope under Joe Biden, and that it took Harris to bring that hope back.”
Can you guys really get this writer’s drivel ? Na wa o!
Vice President Joe Biden is white. We have people of unity who segregate their party into identities with hierarchy.
That's how she lost hope till her wife Barbra Obama was elected the first black president.
You know guys, after reading that article up there about Michelle “Michael” Obama speech at the ongoing DNC, I could not but wonder how leftists and democrats generally reason. Maybe you all can read it too - and make some meanings from what’s posted. So sad that some gullible people called demonrats will still fall for this - the likes of Obrigidiot.
budaatum: A person who repeats the worn out "Michael Obama" is not worth the consideration.
At your age, you cannot take a joke.. only you say I am irrelevant and detect I am seeking attention, yet you are here giving me attention and showing me I am not irrelevant. Make up your mind, budaatum. And yes, Michael Obama has 2 beautiful girls, Barbra Obama carried them for 9 months
IjeBos: Congrats, you can copy and paste from the abstract and conclusion. Clap for yourself. But did you read and understand what you copied and pasted? Clearly not, because it contradicts the point you are trying to make. So, it's clear you still haven't read the study. You should stop and leave the science/data to people smarter than you.
Lmao. Unless you are a special kind of stupid you would say otherwise.
If it's not the case why are the controversy? Why is the author sticking to his findings?
What's the point I am trying to make? My original post:
basilico: The lefties fact checkers tried to downplay the study. In unison. He gets his sources from the evil media , let's understand him . He is a lost cause whom everyone here apart from Obrigardo derides every now and then.
He is a tool. A couple of the clips I posted is the author saying they are politicizing mask that studies from 2006 are inconclusive.
The author had something to say about the chief editor going about apologizing. Something IjeBos is referencing here as proof. They don't know if mask works and I stand by that.
I keep asking him how come Africa with less mask did not see the worse of covid.
IjeBos: I have read it, well speed read most of it. Have you? Clearly not. Lol. Information in the hands of stupid people is a dangerous thing. You're the type of person the advent of the internet was dangerous for. You're really too stupid to understand what you read so you have to filter it through other people. Other people who have their own agenda. And in the process you get fooled over and over.
The study was on promoting physical interventions for Covd-19. So they studied whether promoting stuff like masking or hand washing worked. Now get that through your thick skull. It wasn't a study on if Masks work to prevent covid, it was a study on if promoting mask wearing is effective in preventing Covid Spread in the 'community'. And what a shocker. If people aren't wearing masks and not washing hands, especially if people are telling them masks don't work, they won't be very effective in preventing the spread of Covid in the 'community'.
I know it's too complex to understand for someone obviously stupid like you.
Here are 2 studies the authors (and there was more than 1) examined in reaching the conclusion on this study. 2 on Masks, 1 on Hand hygiene.
Anyhow, I'm arguing with a Mor-on who likes to lie. And since I think there's enough info here for any reasonable person who wants it, this has exceed it's value.
Result from the abstract:
Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate-certainty evidence). Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low-certainty evidence). N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks We pooled trials comparing N95/P2 respirators with medical/surgical masks (four in healthcare settings and one in a household setting). We are very uncertain on the effects of N95/P2 respirators compared with medical/surgical masks on the outcome of clinical respiratory illness (RR 0.70, 95% CI 0.45 to 1.10; 3 trials, 7779 participants; very low-certainty evidence).
His conclusion Authors' conclusions: The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly relevant to the measurement of effectiveness, especially in the elderly and in young children. There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect. The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection
IjeBos: So, we've come full circle. You are now arguing the plain text of the study and the comments of Cochrane the publishers of the study. You are arguing that instead of reading the actual study, a clip is more representative of the study? It's not surprising you haven't posted 1 thing from the Study itself that says Masks don't work. The good thing about these studies is that everyone can read them and the results of the data. Again, the study was on interventions to promote mask wearing not on whether masks work against covid. That's a fact. If you read the study you would know that.
Again, you're an example of the failure of education and critical thinking. You seek out sources and believe things which align with what you want to believe or your biases. Coupled with you not being that bright, means you always get fooled and always post uncorroborated bullshit you find on TikTok.
What is the tally of how many times I've made you the fool. It has to be at least 30 times now.
Lmao, you should read it. My original post about this was clear. "it is not clear mask worked" fauci flipflop about mask, the author or the cochrane report says it is not clear mask worked. He went further to say people like you have politicized the issue instead of follow the science.
You can act like you know from now till eternity, it will change the fact you are easily fooled. To you it is always them vs us... The US here is whatever the leftwing narrative is. This is why people doing science keeps apologising and changing their findings to suit the message for the modern audience
It is not just a clip, it is an interview of the author of what you are asking me to read
I have posted several stuff from the study, you can lie as you want but the fact is there in the study, the last clip is the author saying the apology you are posting here is political and not science.
Keep educating yourself. You are easily fooled by liberal
IjeBos: You are the product of a failed education.
The only people who possibly got confused are people who read the summary and abstract only and not the full study itself. Or idiots like yourself. So, clearly, you didn't read the full study, nor did the people who told you it was a study on whether masks work. Keep digging, the stupider you sound.
2024 update my ass. This is what the author has to say. You are a simpleton
IjeBos: Yes, let's take the Cochrane study. What is hilarious is that Chocrane says people are misinterpreting their study and low and behold you post a link with someone misinterpreting their study with an inaccurate and misleading take. You clearly have 0 idea what you are talking about vis a vis this study. You are a 1st class Mor-on. Never thought people as dumb as you exist. https://www.cochrane.org/news/statement-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses-review
This you posted is not the study, this is them coming out later to say, we did not mean what we say on our report. It is your fault for quoting us verbatim that mask efficacy is inconclusive.
They were clear, they told us the result of their findings. Coming out later to walk that back will only tell you what is wrong with modern day studies.
If they are not passing the "MESSAGE" for "MODERN AUDIENCE" then they should not pass it.
IjeBos: You live this life that everyone is as stupid as you. We aren't. The only ones who misinterpreted it are the ones(generally far right trolls with an agenda) who didn't read the study. As the study is clear. Here is NY times article on it. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/masks-work-cochrane-study.html
Put the shovel down, you've dug a big enough hole.
Sorry, I will take cochrane findings. It is why I keep asking you why Africa was not hit hard
IjeBos: This is black and white. You pushed a study you didn't read that didn't say what you thought it did. The study evaluated whether the government interventions to promote mask wearing worked in reducing Covid-19. And even in that the study was inconclusive as they couldn't tell if people actually wore the masks. It did not study whether masks works. Whether mask work to prevent Covid-19 is a matter of science, fluid dynamics. And there are myriads of studies showing masks largely do filter our Covid-19 particles (n95 masks filter out 98% of Covid-19 particle). Here's one: https://sph.umd.edu/news/study-shows-n95-masks-near-perfect-blocking-escape-airborne-covid-19#:~:text=%E2%80%93%20In%20a%20head%2Dto%2D,from%20escaping%20into%20the%20air.
And the study didn't change. The data was the same. But you wouldn't know as you didn't read it and even if you did, as I said you wouldn't understand it. You are the Avatar for "a little information is a dangerous thing"
Here's a recap: Bemeruca: Masks don't work. This study says so. <<Posts section from study he didn't read and doesn't understand>> IjeBos: Masks do work. You don't understand the study you posted. It didn't study whether masks work. <<posts article describing study>> Bemeruca: I've read it, you don't understand it, but I do. <<posts something that doesn't say what he thinks it does> IjeBos: Here is a press release from the study publisher saying "Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation. ". seemingly talking about you. Bemeruca: I misinterpreted the findings paragraph of the study I said I read. It's the studies fault that I misinterpreted it. lol. Also Bemeruca: The study I myself posted was designed to fool people like me. It is a conspiracy to fool dullards who don't really understand what they are reading and post it anyhow. It's fake news.
Would be a bad dialogue if it weren't true.
CNN, the New York Times, and all the people they claimed misinterpreted it did not read it 😂😂😂
IjeBos: Of course it's open to misinterpretation by idiots who get their information on Tiktok and don't actually read that information. Again, I understood it, you didn't. That should tell you something.
He said the study was 'changed'. Again, you open your mouth and let the stupid fly out. You don't even understand how these studies work to say it was changed. Tell us again how proper masks don't work. I'm sure you have another easily debunked lie. It's easily debunked because proper masks work. Period.
How many times have you been called out peddling Bullshit? Everything you believe is built on some lie that is easily debunked. Your life and beliefs are all Bullshit.
Your motto should be, "Trash in, Trash out. Always and Perpetually Wrong."
Dude sorry i am not a simpleton like you. You want to make excuses that i did not understand what i was reading, and then you move to misinterpretation. They apologize for what they wrote (badly worded) and say they left it open for misinterpretation. I don't see how anyone can misinterpret something they wrote so clearly.
I believe they did their stuff, then got pressured at the backend so they are trying to fix things to make some people happy. Fauci was moving around with 2 masks. Sorry, them coming out to blame the readers does not make sense but it is for a simpleton like you.
CNN is talking about the coup that forced Biden out
Chris Wallace: The word to describe tonight isn't bittersweet -- it's just bitter.
Biden "got thrown out of a window... He was basically forced out by Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama, and Chuck Schumer, and Hakeem Jeffries." pic.twitter.com/8gm5oBByrz
IjeBos: They are literally talking about you in this press release when they say "Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation. ". Also talking about you when they say, "has been widely misinterpreted ."
If you did ever go to college, you should get a refund. You posted a study and don't even understand what it said. And even though I've explained it to you, you still don't understand what it says. LOL. There's few posters dumber than you in this thread.
Okay, they said it's open for misinterpretation. It's not the first time a study has been changed to satisfy the agenda. Nothing was misinterpreted.
IjeBos: You don't even understand the English language enough to understand what you read. The Cochrane study you wrote about wasn't a study on the efficacy of Masks it was a study on the efficacy of mask interventions (or telling people to wear masks or distributing masks for people to wear).
Here are some quotes from a statement from the editor in chief of the Cochrane Library who did the Study.
And the rest is basically a gibberish understanding of interest rates you just googled. You have no real understanding of it.
Shame in life is a good thing. It makes you want to be better. You have no shame and feel no embarrassment so you continue to post nonsense you don't understand, lie and look stupid like you always do.
As I said, you don't even have the capacity to understand the english language so you can understand the things you post like the Cochrane study, let alone the capacity to discuss with someone like me, who has studied these things.
Stick to the stuff you can Bullshit your way through or people you can bullshit. I'm dying here from second hand embarrassment for you.
You are an idiot. What are you even saying? Did you read what is on the link you posted?
The risk of bias for the RCTs and cluster-RCTs was mostly high or unclear. Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks We included 12 trials (10 cluster-RCTs) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness (two trials with healthcare workers and 10 in the community). Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate-certainty evidence.
This is in the main result of the abstract. Again, explain why less mask and less social distancing in Africa did not result to more deaths compared to US and Europe?
Like I said, they are not clear if wearing mask prevent covid or not. Your reply to me says the same.