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MrOlai:
You can see yourself now. These are the same sets of people you were clamouring unity with! Yet, Albaqir denied all Kennyosein said about them in your thread. You can see their true colour now! Is it possible for somebody to unite with people who perpetually say all sorts of evils about someboby's father and rain curses on him?

my brother! Have I insulted umar in any way--all I did was investigate an aspect of his history to see if he is truely worthy of caliphacy

The bitter truth is these things were clearly stated in the sunni books,,,why are these facts stated in the sunni books?

Its just like some1 who claims isah(a) is God and has nothing to back his point and doesn't what prove that he isn't from his own trusted book

lexiconkabir:
And then the sunnis are in manifest error, the shias are the saved ones, isnt that the whole point of this thread?

that's your decision to make sir---i don't see anything wrong is examining the life of the caliph to see if they are rightly guided or not---even the after much examination the sunni tagged umar,uthman,abu bakr and ali as the rightly guided caliphs--what about the rest of the sunni caliph are they wrongly guided?

So are you against the fact that I investigate the lifes of our rightly guided caliph? Oh should I just follow them not knowing what and what makes them rightly guided?

also worth mentioning is the fact that the prophet stated that the ummah will split into various factions and only one will be the rightly guided---since the issue of caliphate is a clear area of separation between the two major sects,I think investigating the lifes of this caliph will also lead one to a lot of truths---as the caliph play a very important role in the future of the ummah

lexiconkabir:
And if he wasnt, then whats next?

then we don't consider him as a rightly guided caliph

lexiconkabir:
So the point of this thread is to castigate a companion of the prophet(umar) and indirectly promote the shia sect?

lol--brother the point of the thrend is investigate the actions of umar and see if he is truely fit for the position of caliphate---its investigaton not castigation

As regards to promoting shiism or not,, I only stand where truth is

Cc albaqir,kennyosein,empire, et cetera et cetera

INTRODUCTION
Over the years both the sunni and shia muslim have provided their views on how fit umar is for the position of caliphate(successor of the prophet(s) ) the sunni's claim he is among the 4 RIGTHLY GUIDED CALIPHS[\b]

While the shia's claim that the number of caliphs as stated by the prophet and recorded in sunni and shia books of hadith are not 4 but 12 and umar,abu bakr and uthman are not among these twelve

I will like to investigate some actions of umar and see how fit and knowledgable he is for this position

WHO IS A CALIPH--a caliph is the successor to the prophet after his death(one who occupies the prophet's office) hence he should be the spiritual head of the community after the demise of the prophet

From the above definition it is seen that who ever should occupy the position of caliphate should be the most knowledgeable and spiritual person-

To cut the long story short,let us examine some aspects of the life of umar and see how fit he is for leadership

1[b]UMAR AND THE DEATH OF LADY FATIMAH
On the etiquettes of entering peoples house the koran says---
O ye whe BELIEVE! Enter not houses other than your own,until ye have asked permission and saluted those in them: that is BEST for you,in order that ye may heed(what is seemly)..if ye find no one in the house,enter not until permission is given to you:if ye aRE ASKeD TO GO BACK,Go BACK: that makes for greater purity for yourselves: and Allah knows well all that ye do---surah an-nur(24:27-28)yusuf ali

According to books of hadith(sunni and shia alike) it is narrated that umar was the source of lady fatima's death in that he forcibly entered the house of bibi fatimah which resulted to her miscarriage and ultimate death[/b]

This action of umar begs the question of is knowledge about the verse of the koran regarding etiquettes on how to enter another's house and also begs the question that; how can such a person who isn't well learned on this verse of the koran be fit to rule the muslim ummah? Are there non who are more knowledgable than him?

---regarding inflicting harms on the prophet it is stated in the glorious koran

And those whom inflict harm on the Messenger of
Allah will receive a chastising punishment--Surat At-Tawba, verse 61

---CONnection between inflicting harm on lady fatimah and inflicting harm on prophet mohammad

Fatima is part of me, whosoever angers her angers
me! ---Fat-h Al-Bari fi sharh sahih al-Bukhari 7:84,
Sahih al-Bukhari – in the chapter ‘alamat an-nubuwwa 6:491, the last part of Kitabil Maghazi 8:110

It is also worthy of mention that whoever angers the noble prophet angers Allah--so invariably whoever angers lady fatimah anger Allah

O Fatima! Verily Allah is angered by your anger and is pleased when you are pleased. (Mustadrak Al-Hakim 3:154, Majma’ Al-zawa-id 9:203)

--REGARDING ThE SAcrEDNESS AND SANCTITY oF LADY Fatimah's House

“In houses which Allah has ordered to be raised, in
them His Name is remembered”. A man approached him and asked him, “Which houses are they O Messenger of Allah?” He replied, “The houses of the Prophets”. So Abu Bakr asked him while pointing to the house of Ali and Fatima: “Is this house included amongst those houses?” The Messenger of Allah replied: “YES, IT IS THE BEST AMONGST THEM!” (Ad-Dur Al-manthur 6:203, Ruhul Ma’ani 18:174)

---rEGARDLING LADY FATIMAH's POSITION

The prophet said---O Fatima! Are you not pleased to be the leader of the ladies of the worlds, and the leader of the ladies of these people (ummah) and the leader of all believing ladies. (Mustadrak Al-Hakim 3:156)


---with all that has been stated above,,one will be compelled to ask

--is umar ignorant of this verse of the koran
-is he also ignorant of how sacred the house of lady fatimah is
--is he ignorant of what position lady fatimah occupy in the heart of the prophet
--is he ignorant of what position lady fatimah held among the woman of paradise
--is he ignorant of the fact that who ever angers fatimah angers Allah

If he is ignorant of all these I think its high time one questioned his knowledge on other aspect of islam and question his caliphate

If he is not ignorant of the above face will it not mean a greater hindrance against the vivacity and efficacy of his caliphate; in that he acts based on his whim and desires putting God's word and the prophets statements aside

FoR READERS wHo DON'T KNOW that umar was the cause of bibi fatimah's death-below are some narrations from sunni sources

---Umar kicked Fatima until she miscarried Muhassan. (Mizan Al-I’tidal 3:459)

---On the day of pledging allegiance (to Abu Bakr)
Umar hit the stomach of Fatima until she miscarried
Muhassan. (Al-Wafi bil Wafiyyat 6:17)

---Umar asked for wood, and told those people
inside the house: "I swear by Allah who has my soul in his hand, that if you do not come out, I will burn the house." Someone told Umar that Fatimah was inside the house. Umar said: "So what! It doesn't matter to me who is in the house." Sunni reference: al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 3,19-20

---Al Bukhari Vol. 8 Narration 817
it states Umar ibn Al-Khattab said, “And no doubt
after the death of The Prophet we were
informed that the Ansar disagreed with us and
gathered in the shed of Bani Sa’da. Ali, Zubair,
and whoever was with them opposed us while
the Al-Muhajiroon (the immigrants) gathered
with Abu Bakr.”
Also within the other Bakri texts such as the
Musnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal Vol. 5 page 55, Sirah
Al Nabawiyyah by Ibn Hisham Vol. 4 page 309, and
The History of Tabari Vol. 1 page 1822 it states
Umar ibn Al-Khattab said, “Ali ibn Abi Talib,
Zubair ibn Awwam, and those who were with
them separated from us and gathered in the
house of Fatimah, the daughter of the
messenger of Allah.”
The History of Tabari in its Vol. 9 pages 188-189 give
us a more detailed account of what happened once
Umar had reached the door and where a clear form
of opposition was demonstrated within the
presence of Imam Ali (as) himself who showed no
objection to the behavior as it states, “They
demanded confirmation of the oath, but Ali and
al-Zubair stayed away. Al-Zubair drew his sword
(from the scabbard), saying, “I will not put it
back until the oath of allegiance is rendered to
Ali.” When this news reached Abu Bakr and
Umar, the latter said, “Hit him with a stone and
seize the sword.” It is stated that Umar rushed
(to the door of the House of Fatimah) and
brought them forcibly while telling them that
they must give their oath of allegiance willingly
or unwillingly.”

To be continued in sha Allah

Nice job@op--this are the kinds of posts that should be on fP not boy friend girl friend stuff--once again nice job

Kindly Tag me next time

manmacho:
you means some of the information in your hadith were wrong when compare with the quaran.

are you saying the hadith has been corrupted just like you claim the bible

at this rate men, the quaran is terribly standing alone without any reference to substantiate its revelation

o ni ro lo ma ni eleri ohun was lorun ( only a liar will claim his witness is in heaven)

lol can you read at all?

Well I see you nothing about hadith and it chains of narration

Please go make the following findings

--what makes an hadith authentic

--what is chain of narration and how does it affect the authenticity of an hadith

--i clearly pointed out that not the entire hadith is contradictory to the koran--but there exist some which contradicts the koran and hence we tag those ones as inauthentic cause the koran is the criteria for the authenticity of the hadith and not otherwise

--yeah the hadith cannot be 100 percent correct because the authors and narrators are humans and cannot be 100 percent right

---educate your self on a topic before poking your nose into it---"the wise man speaks because he has something to say while the ignorant man speaks because he has to say something

---the adage the stated is also wrong "God is witness to every body " so it is not true that he who claims that His only witness is God is a liar bro---

DAMN

malvisguy212:
this is were the uses of Al-taquiya is in progress. From page one uptil now, they are using Al-taquiya, betatron use Al-taquiya to condemned the hadith.

the explanation is simple bro---i don't know its very hard for you to get this--even a primary school student will understand it

the koran is the criteria for checking the validity of the hadith and not the other way round--ones a teaching of the hadith contradicts that of the koran then the hadith is wrong cause the hadith is the work of men

Not everything in the hadith is wrong mind you-cause you are so quick to generalize-

Well done repeating a,b,c,d for you---if you still can't understand this--i think you need serious help

lexiconkabir:
yes, sir, i am. studying pure and applied math in unilorin, which school do you attend?

futminna--lol--una(math students) be oga oh--but na we pass

lexiconkabir:
are you an undergraduate?

yes sir..what about you?

lexiconkabir:
are you a mathematician?

nop...but I LOVE MATH GAN..but my passion for physics is greater--so I chose --PHYSICS ELECTRONICS--that way I won't loose contact with math,and phy6

lexiconkabir:
you see what dat guy is doing, every rational person will understand my explanation as to why i cant post the link here, but the guy is feigning ignorance, very annoying.

lol...I discovered its better channeling one's time to something fruitful like solving math or reading theology than wasting it with iron headed people

Me have no business in this thrend any longer---amazing how pathetic human logic can be @ times

yawns

manmacho:
see the topic has been derailed

all the question you asking here as become muslim popular chorus and the answers you
have already

the question is since your hadith does not always confirm that truth of you quran, why still hold on to it because i can safely say that it is corrupt if it stand oppose to the quaran in some cases

pls go start the thrend from the beginning---your question has been answered duly--read the replies from the beginning please,read

malvisguy212:
are you insane You are asking me what kind of love required justice? If you did evil, and you run to you father for help,if your dad is a man with good moral behavior, he will punished you, is this not justice ? Most of the old testament law you quote are for the Jews living at that time, the Largest religion as of that time is the worship of baal, the law was to prevent them from worshipping this gods.

Provide the quranic account on how the fall of man began, give details and full story.

If elephant can do the same, what your point?

Surah 21:91: “And (remember) her
who guarded her chastity: WE
breathed into her of OUR SPIRIT, and
We made her and her son a sign for
all peoples.” (Yusuf Ali)

Note: the phrase "OUR" is plurality. And the word "spirit" is singular. How many spirit breath on Mary ?

you didn't read what I posted bro...you didn't or maybe you have no explanation

manmacho:
what has all this got to do with the topic?

open another thread for all this your question or you consult other thread where you will have the answer

PLEASE GO BACK TO THE TOPIC

my brother..maybe you should go to the topic and read it carefully to see how it led us here--cause you probably didn't read it---we have discussed a lot of things outside the context of the topic (both islamic and otherwise)sir

----by the way you are not the op if any1 is beta positioned to talk of derailing it should be the op---

malvisguy212:
you do not understand the teaching in the bible, the old testament forestshadow God plan.

1.God love required God justice, just like a father would punished his children for breaking his command, God will do likewise.
2.The Hebrew word, shabath, translated
"rest" does not really refer to a
requirement to sleep or take a break due to weariness. So what does it imply?
The day of Sabbath (REST) is a forestshadow of God plan, is one of the purpose of God creating human. Jesus say the Sabbath is made for man and not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a preview of heaven, when we will forever enter into God's REST. So, the
author of Hebrews encourages us to
enter into God's rest rather than falling
into disobedience.
3.The Bible does not say that dust will be a part of diet of a snake. Bible talks of the serpent and its punishment. God cursed the serpent and said that serpent will face humiliation (eat dust). It was used as a phrase and not as a diet:
Genesis 3:14
So the LORD God said to the serpent,
"Because you have done this,Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals!You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.

Does this verse look like it was talking about the diet of the serpent ? This verse was a humiliation to the serpent.

I do not know which biologists you have studied. Snakes being although carnivores do taste dust in order to find
their way around.They use their tongues
to smell and by doing so and as they
crawl on their bellies, their tongue picks
up dust. The dust simply pass through
their dietry tract. The dust particles are
cleaned off the animal’s tongue. Most of
the dust would therefore be swallowed
and pass through the digestive tract.

The rest of your questions are pointing to the same direction, the nature of God, God did not send himself, it was not God the father that incarnate in Jesus christ, it was God the son. In the baptism of Jesus, WHILE JESUS IS IN THE WORLD, A voice from heaven say " this is my beloved son IN whom I am well please"God the father is in heaven.

There is ONE God.
This God has 3 personalities.
Jesus is a man.
Among the 3 personalities in ONE God, it was God the son who incarnate in Jesus. There was a time when God the son BECAME man but the was never a time when He became God, for God is eternal.

to number1--tell me what kind of justice these are

A)Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the
judge or of the priest who represents the LORD yourGod must be put to death. Such evil must be purgedfrom Israel--Deuteronomy 17:12 NL

B)They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great,whether man or woman-2 Chronicles 15:12-13

C) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this,shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst-Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB

---justify justify

2--this doesn't explain why God rested on the 7th Day

3-why was the serpent cursed? He was possessed by the devil,the devil should be caused not the serpent---its like cursing a man whose wife possessed him(I.e isn't in His right senses)---more so how is eating dust a debasement...what type of debasement is that(elucidate please)---what of the snail that crawls? What of the --alot of animals are known to crawl also--were they also punished too?

--using mouth to smell isn't special--elephants use their legs to hear too..bats use ultrasonic technology in their ears to see---cats smell dust too---even a newly born eats dust bro---

Lastly--Like i you said God is 3 personalities..lol...so do these 3 personalities play different role--if yes...isn't that equal to worshipping 3 Gofs--if no--why was the child personality sent by the father personality and why was the child personality forsaken by the father personality

malvisguy212:
you do not understand the teaching in the bible, the old testament forestshadow God plan.

1.God love required God justice, just like a father would punished his children for breaking his command, God will do likewise.
2.The Hebrew word, shabath, translated
"rest" does not really refer to a
requirement to sleep or take a break due to weariness. So what does it imply?
The day of Sabbath (REST) is a forestshadow of God plan, is one of the purpose of God creating human. Jesus say the Sabbath is made for man and not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a preview of heaven, when we will forever enter into God's REST. So, the
author of Hebrews encourages us to
enter into God's rest rather than falling
into disobedience.
3.The Bible does not say that dust will be a part of diet of a snake. Bible talks of the serpent and its punishment. God cursed the serpent and said that serpent will face humiliation (eat dust). It was used as a phrase and not as a diet:
Genesis 3:14
So the LORD God said to the serpent,
"Because you have done this,Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals!You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.

Does this verse look like it was talking about the diet of the serpent ? This verse was a humiliation to the serpent.

I do not know which biologists you have studied. Snakes being although carnivores do taste dust in order to find
their way around.They use their tongues
to smell and by doing so and as they
crawl on their bellies, their tongue picks
up dust. The dust simply pass through
their dietry tract. The dust particles are
cleaned off the animal’s tongue. Most of
the dust would therefore be swallowed
and pass through the digestive tract.

The rest of your questions are pointing to the same direction, the nature of God, God did not send himself, it was not God the father that incarnate in Jesus christ, it was God the son. In the baptism of Jesus, WHILE JESUS IS IN THE WORLD, A voice from heaven say " this is my beloved son IN whom I am well please"God the father is in heaven.

There is ONE God.
This God has 3 personalities.
Jesus is a man.
Among the 3 personalities in ONE God, it was God the son who incarnate in Jesus. There was a time when God the son BECAME man but the was never a time when He became God, for God is eternal.

lol...will reply to dis at the appropriate tym really have something to do now

LoL----GoD has 3 PErSoNALiTIES---lol...the father personality can send the son personality-lol--which of the 3 personalities is more authoritative?

malvisguy212:
BETATRON
Muslims claim that the Qur’an is inspired by God and it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology. Yet the Qur’an states in Surah 86:6-7 that “man was created from ejected liquid –proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.”

This echoes the erroneous theory of Hippocrates who believed that the semen originates, from the brain down the spinal chord, before passing through the kidneys and finally out of the body. (Hippocratic Writings,Penguin Classics, 1983, p. 317)

It is an established scientific fact that
both sperm and male sex hormones are
produced in two plum sized glands called the testes. The testes lie in a sac called the scrotum that hangs outside the body. This design helps to maintain a set temperature, slightly below body
temperature, which is essential for the
production of healthy sperm.

THE QUESTION IS:
How is it that Allah is unaware of this
simple fact about the functions of the
human body?
Why did Allah forget the testicles?
Why did not Allah have a clue about
sperm or the purpose of the testicles?
Can Allah then truly be the Creator of
mankind?
Can the Qur’an truly be the Word of
God when it contains a serious
scientific error?
Does it not take one lie in the Qur’an to
prove that Islam is false?
Why do Muslims reject established
modern science and blindly believe the
Qur’an when it says that sperm
originates from the mid-gut section of a
man’s body?

---this isn't secondary sch biology bro

A paticular doctor once said--The constituents of the
formation of the sperm of the man and the egg of the
woman derive from between the backbone and the
ribs; its beginning and origin is from between the
backbone and the ribs.”

---i see you don't know that spinal cord have a lot to do with sperm

-why is it that after a spinal cord injuries render man infertile and also have a detrimental effect on erection--what is the connection between the spinal cord and fertility?

---what is the connection between erection, ejaculation and the spinal cord----Psychogenic erection, involves conscious or mental
levels of the BRAIN, and is under the control of your
sympathetic nerves from some levels of your
spinal cord. Parasympathetic nerves from some levels of your sPINAL COrD also play important role .

----Emission involves the production and release of
semen from your reproductive glands, which propel
the sperm into the urethra of your penis. This is
cONTROLLED BY THE SYMPHATETIC NERVES from the SPINAL CORD.

---another question you should ask your self is WHY CAN'T MEN iF NOT ALL WITH SPINAL CoRD INJUrIES EJACULATE DURING SEXUAL iNTERCOUSE

----as you see..I think you should study biology a bit---production or sperm,erection,ejaculation have a lot to do with the spinal cord and spinal nerves

---tHE KoRAN RIGHT AGAIN...ALLAHUAKBAR!!!

analice107:
Guy, you just confirmed that the moran didn't come directly from Allah.
Okay wait. You said Muhammed is one of the Biblical prophets right? Mention one single prophet that Yahweh used as channel to write the Bible like he did with Muhammed.

Again. Mention three similarities between Jibril of Islam and Gabriel of the Bible.

the problem with you guys is you find it difficult to comprehend na wa oh

See funny questions abeg ..lol

Well I neva said muhammad is one of the biblical prophets lol...I only said which of the prophets we see in our church today are in the bible?--how come you didn't get that

---the bible is the handiwork of men naw--you can confirm this with the numerous contradictions in it

Compare jibril and gabriel? Lol..you're funny bro...when did the bible become a criteria for the validity of the koran---

I can't shout jare...please ask more sensible questions jare

--questions like--why did the GOd of the old testament support a lot of hedious crime
s

---why did God rest after created the world

---why did God say snakes eat dust

---how can God send himself

---how can God sacrifice himself for himself

---how plausible is trinity

---how genuine and divine is the emergence of trinity
Et cetera et cetera

kennyosein:
Sunni Muslims are killed daily in Iran without getting any notice from the one-sidedness media.

There's not a single mosque of Ahlus Sunnah in
Tehran, but there are Jewish Synagogues, Parsi
Fire temples, Churches, Gurudwaras scattered
across the city.

Tell the Iran President to stop the maltreatment of thousands of Arabs in Al-Ahwaz and Khuzestan.

...you need stop the spurious cry.

..below are a list of 9 sunni mosques in Tehran

[b] 1- Sadeghiyeh mosque, located in the Second Square
Sadeghiyeh
2- TehranPars Mosque, Located in Dellavaran St
3- Shahre Qods mosque,located 20 km Karaj old road
4- Khalij-e-Fars(Persian Gulf)mosque, located
5- Alnby mosque, located in the Town of Danesh
6- Haft'joub mosque, located in Malard
7- Vahidiyeh mosque, located in Shahriyar
8- Nasim Shahr mosque, located in Akbar Abad
9- Razi Abad mosque, located in Se'rah Shahriyar[b]

--you should also note these points sir
1. The Constitution of Iran and Imam Khomeini was
very clear that labeling Mosques as Shia or Sunni is
division of Muslim Unity. It is a curse to say this is
Shia Mosque or this is Sunni Mosque. Nay, all
Mosques are only and only for Allah.

2. Iranian Law says:
If there is an Area where majority is of SHIAs, then
Sunni are asked to pray behind Shia Imam.
While Areas, where there is Sunni Majority, there
Shias are also asked to go in that same Sunni
Mosque and pray behind the Sunni Imam and they
are not allowed to open up their any Separate
Mosque.
There may be few deviations to this RULE, but in
80-90% this rules is practiced in it's sprit and indeed
Shias are compelled to pray behind Sunni Imams.

Even Ayatullah Khaminei and all Shia Mujtahids
themselves prayed several times behind Sunni
Imams and that without any problem.

Iran replied to this criticism along time ago don't know why you're still bringing it up

malvisguy212:
I pray God open your mind so that you could ask questions concerning what you belief, deceit from blind faith.

serious? Have you asked questions about the numerous statement in your holy book?
saying snakes eat clay,saying bats are birds,saying plants where created before the sun

Have you asked question as to how the God could SEND himself,how God could be tempted,,how God could sacrifice himself for Himself

And many more contradictory and fictitious statement in your holy book

The earlier you start asking these questions the better for you bro

opey25:
public criticism?.sheikh nimr led a violent protest in 2011 against the Saudi Govt.he was aware that a violent revolt in KSA is punishable by death.He shouldnt have allowed the iranian govt to use him as a pawn,in their fight against the Saudi Family.

--Nimr, who led anti-government protests in Saudi
Arabia's east, was previously convicted of sedition,
disobedience and bearing arms. Nimr did not deny
the political charges against him, but said he never
carried weapons or called for violence.--al jazeera

---Iranian President Hassan Rouhani called the attack
on the Saudi embassy "unjustifiable", but also
condemned the execution of Nimr, who spent more
than a decade studying theology in Iran.---al jazeera


---He(NIMR) also criticised the government for what he said
was the marginalisation of the Shia minority in the
country.-al jazeera

----Like the iranian president I am not justifying nimr's attack on the saudi embassy(with word) but the penalty given by the saudi government is also unjustifiable--my opinion thou---Allah knows best

Annunaki:
And have taken time to do a diligent comprehensive study of the quoran? Cause if you have and you still remain a muslim, you will honestly need to get your head examined.

lol..you really are not worth the time bro eggs have no business dancing on rock

If you are still unable to understand your bible by virtue of you God given sense how will you understand the koran..you're not used to reasoning with you head bro---

It is indeed astonishing how vast majority of youth are sailing in a boat made of clay haven lost contact with the promise of rigorous academics---how can anything intelligent come out from one who doesn't use his CENTRe of INTELLigeNCe

--the church as turned you into a gullible and dependent weakling--since you don't have anything to stand for you sure will fall for whatever the pastor says..how pitiable your state is

malvisguy212:
soo an arab man ignored the quran, and use the bible to judge ? You muslims can go to any lent to lie, just bring another lie , sharia law is base in the bible.

Surah 5:33-“The punishment of those who wage
war against Allah and His Messenger,
and strive with might and main for
mischief through the land is:
execution
(by beheading), or crucifixion, or the
cutting off of hands and feet from
opposite sides, or exile from the land:
that is their disgrace in this world, and a
heavy punishment is theirs in the
Hereafter;”

@ the bolded what is the punishment for planning coup?

The verse clearly state that the punishment is for does who plan "coup" that is mastermind an attack on the muslim nation--are you sure you read it or you just copied straight from the internet and paste

the moderators should start banning people for mindless copy and pasting--so google "en-shackled"

lexiconkabir:
Ah don die today , what i'm i saying what are you saying? did i bring christianity to this? i said the JEWS were judged using their torah, which happens to be deutronomy in the OT, letting you know that the judgement of sa'ad wasnt based on cruelty, but was based on what the jews themselves believe in, whats so difficult to understand there? take a deep breath, go to my post again where i talked about the beheading, and read with a mind of understanding, ok?

malvisguy212 please take the bolded as your 2016 resolution

kennyosein:
Bro. Let them continue to blubber but I find it a bit bizzare that these Same Shiites same time support The Filthy murderer # Assad who kills millions in # Syria daily for last 4 years and Betatron was sleeping when Iran decided to executed 27 sunni Muslims last year.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/23016-iran-to-execute-27-sunni-muslims

Nimr Baqir himself accepted that he was responsible for hosting state terror programs, he called for the secession of the eastern province of Saudi Arabia. And He confessed All that in 2012.

....still waiting for our Iran plans to wipe out the KSA.

the sunni muslims were executed for murdering a kurdishtan governor----nimr was executed for public criticism

Is the penalty for murder and public criticism the-same?

opey25:
some of the 46 terrorists were murderers.one of them killed a BBC cameraman in 2004.why are u focusing on sheikh nimr alone,is it because he was a shiite?

not because he is shia...only want to know what his crime is

--as you know the koran states--do not let hatred for a people lead you towards injustice---

Annunaki:
That's the exact problem with muslims my brother, they have the illusion they have knowledge yet it's glaring to all that they are the mere victims of the greatest fraud(islam) in the history of mankind.

lol..you probably were born into a christian home and haven't taken enough time to reason and make diligent and comprehensive study of christianity using your God given brain and not expecting an illusive holy spirit help you UNDERSTand--that's the peak of laziness

May I tell you why this holy GHOST was invented because christianity is not-understandable,unimaginable and unbelievable

Start by scrutinizing your bible with your head and see how inexplicable it is-

Annunaki:
Poor girl, living in bondage, suffering and smiling

lol..you probably have nothing else to say

my brother the greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance but the illusion of being knowledgeable