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malvisguy212:
will it be fair if a sinner condemned an adulterous man or woman to death ? Forgiveness is strange to muslims.

forgiveness isn't strange to muslims...justice demand you do what is right

The one who give the law in sharia is some1 with overwhelming piety and spirituality whose piety has reached such a level that he is perceived as perfect in the eyes of carnal men like ME not a crooked criminal who endangers the future of the nation

Like I said justice demand that you do what is right..for instance a lecturer giving both the unserious and serious student equal grades cause he wants them to enjoy the so called GRACE

The grace is for does who merit it...come to think of it why hasn't satan been given the GRACE?

I guess this your GRACE is actually sTrange to the rightly thinking Man

malvisguy212:
you talk like this because you are the natural man, the natural man received not the thing of the spirit. Their are physical law and the moral law of God, the muslims support sharia law with quranic verse.

yes because islam is a universal religion and encompasses all spares of life---and logic/justice demands that protect the citizens against corruption and some evil minded few

Natural man.? Yeah I am the carnal and natural one

By things of the spirit you mean allowing a criminal to walk free?elucidate please

malvisguy212:
it call Grace. You muslims implement sharia law, in this law, a sinner can judge a sinner by sentencing him or her to death, Jesus say " he who is without sin should cast the first stone" can any of this muslims judges claims to never have commit sin ? You ignored the grace of God by implementing sharia law.

lol..maybe you should place your argument before the legislative court and that they should allow corrupt criminals walk free and plaque the nation with corruption

Imagine what would have happened if adolf hitler wasn't brought to order, and we say "let he who hasn't sin cast the first stone" allow Him to enjoy the grace

CoolUsername:
Also, your logic of Hitler not being a christian because he was wicked is very flawed.

so flawed---keeping in mind that a fellow nazi army letter became a pope---benedict xvi

All true..number 2,3,4 and 6 especially ...number 5...hehe no be for full breed ajekpako dogs,,dogs that eat eba with okra

YourMain:
I don't believe God has a son sorry.

I could never understand how God could have himself and call himself his son and himself a father. A father of himself and a son of himself.

---and FINALLY SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR HIMSELF---like seriously? This is stranger than fiction

lexiconkabir:
What they are doing is MAGIC, pure MAGIC!

LOL...with confirm certified incantations they call it SPEAKING IN TONGUES

mrZENographer:
The question you muslims must answer is this: Does your God till today still heal people who are blind, lame, barren, diseased, mad?

In my church, The Lord's Chosen Charismatic Revival Movement, Jesus Christ is still doing it today. If you think am joking, come and see. Please also bring someone with an incurable disease incase you are "a doubting thomas."

Muslims who were brought to this ministry, when they saw the power of God in display, had to submitto this Great God Of Chosen, even Our Lord Jesus Christ who does these miracles.

lol..IN MY CHURCH..how nice..last time I checked traditionalist too do all these things your pastor is doing

Come to think of it...are all these proves of divinity...if this is so..what are the miracles of john the baptist? and why did christ say this about him(john the baptist)
---luke7:28-i tell you that of does born of a woman there is non greater than john the baptist::: what was christ's yardstick when he referred to john the baptist has thus

Ah! The irony of the church and the gullible christian..using so called "miracle" to enslave an ensnare them

I wonder where the place of intellectuality and knowledge is in these churches--indeed my people suffer for the lack of knowledge--hosea4:6

malvisguy212:
What these four "corners" refer
to are the points of the compass , north,
south, east, and west. In reality, the
Hebrew word has nothing to do with
corners at all. Some of the newer translations use the word "quarters" .

really? Let see how you explain these once too

1-Genesis 1:1
The earth is created before light and stars, birds and
whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants
before any animals. From science, we know that the true
order of events was just the opposite.

2- Plants are made on the third day (Genesis 1:11) before
there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes
(Genesis 1:14-19)

3-And to every beast of the earth, and every fowl of
the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth
wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for
meat: and it was so” (Genesis 1:30)

4- God curses the serpent, making him crawl on his
belly and eat dust (Genesis 3:14). One wonders how he got around before

5-Some birds have four feet (Leviticus 11:20-21).

6- Bats are birds to the biblical God (Leviticus 11:13-19
& Deuteronomy 14:11-18).

Please I need explanations for these..I know you are guided by the holy spirit

femifemo123:
What's d point here?

the point is how can God who is infinite GOOD be the creator of evil and why did He?--as stated in the verse above

If God is the creator of evil why attribute all evil deeds to satan?-last time even i checked satan cannot create

Lol...may Allah Guide ALL of US to the straight path

tartar9:
and where does it say the earth is flat here

my brother leave them jare their understanding of language is so pathetic...responding to them on this trend only mean derailing it...if they want to discuss the topics appropriately they know what to do

Empiree:
^ I thought a guy just got paid millions of $$ for being polymath recently, no?

Nice one op there though @op.

that may be dr robert langer but I really feel henri poincare was the last true polymath--dont really know sha

Thanks sir

alienvirus:
Where is Mohammed ibn-Musa al-Khwarizmi (Algorithm)?

Where is Algaber (Algebra)?

yeah..the list goes on and on from,,pythagoras to lebnitz,,from Abu Rayhan al-Biruni to nasir al din al tusi..and on and on...just wanted to keep the list as short as possible

So I pick ibn haytham and avicenna...the men you listed above are also equally worthy of being in the list

CoolUsername:
Your analogy is good but inadequate for the situation. You talked about 'diagnoses', that word already denotes that the doctor used a frame f reference that he has no control over to make a prediction.

If an omniscient god knows a man will die of lung cancer, then the man has no choice in the matter, even if he abstains from smoking, and eats healthy he cannot escape it.

But if his destiny can change according to his lifestyle then god cannot know everything. For example, in the event that the man takes his own life, can we still say that the god is omniscient?
Certainly not!

I'm using the term diagnoses because I used the analogy of a medical doctors-cause a doctor needs to indulge in scientific processes to reach the conclusion(gaining knowledge a particular ailment)

But the point here is knowledge not the method used in arriving at the knowledge

What we speak of is the knowledge not the method used in arriving at the knowledge and my point here is based on the topic does God eternal knowledge denotes predestination of man?

Hence I used analogy of the doctor knowledge about his patient's destiny has not denoting the that the patient's future was remoted by the doctor to back my point

CoolUsername:
Most monotheistic religious assert that their deity of worship is omnipotent (almighty) and omniscient (all-knowing).

They also assert that their deity gives humans freewill to choose their respective fates.

But can freewill and omniscience be mutually inclusive?

My opinion on the matter is that if God is omniscient then freewill is at best, an illusion. Likewise, if we truly have freewill then God cannot be omniscient.

For example, (The Doctor-Accountant Argument by kilkil)
1. God knows you will become a doctor.

2. If God knows something to be true, it is true, no matter what.

3. It is true, no matter what, that you will become a doctor.

4. If you are a doctor, you cannot be an accountant.

5. If God knows you will be a doctor, He also knows you will not become an accountant.

6. It is absolutely true, no matter what, that you
will not become an accountant.

Let me put it this way:

If God knows you will become a doctor, that means it is at the very least possible to know
what choices people will make.

If it is even remotely possible to know the outcome of any decision a person makes, it is
meaningless to regard what they do as an
actual choice. It may appear to be a choice, but
in reality, there is only one, known outcome.

If God knows you will become a doctor, it
means that you never had the choice. You can't
become an accountant, because God can't ever
be wrong. Ever. God knows everything,
meaning He cannot be misinformed, and by
extension, cannot be wrong about things, or be
lied to about them.

If there is a God, one who is omniscient, and
truly knows all, there is no allowance for free
will in our universe.

Civilized discussion, please!

before I begin I should commend your inquisitiveness,

To start with the topic will like to say-God's infinite knowledge doesn't alter free will

It is like the situation of a doctor "expert" after appropriate diagnoses of a patient found out that there is nothing to be done and that the patient will ultimately die

So if this statement of doctor comes to past-can one say the patient died as a result of the doctors knowledge hence holding the doctor responsible for the death of the patient?

Imagine being able to fit perfectly in a wide range of field like leonardo da vinci
Imagine being best or second best in any field like aristotle

Imagine being a real genius

Imagine being a POLYMATH

Who is a polymath?-a polymath is a "person" with expertise in a wide range of fields,example being a physicist,a philosopher,a poet, a mathematician,a musician,an artist,an astronomer an engineer,a black belter in martial art et al-lol that's a lot of genius already

But these polymaths had died---The 'polymath' had already died out by the close of
the eighteenth century, and in the following century
intensive education replaced extensive, so that by the
end of it the specialist had evolved. The consequence is that today everyone is a mere technician, even the artist...Dietrich Bonhoeffer,( Letters and Papers
from Prison)

Is this quote really true? Are the polymaths really dead? Before we answer this questions,,here is a list of this universal geniuses

Starting with the best and ending with the best

1--•Leonardo da Vinci (1452–1519)-every aspiring expert know leonardo,the man who wants to know everything,-- Italian Renaissance painter, inventor,engineer,astronomer, anatomist, biologist,
geologist, physicist, and architect.

2--Claudius Ptolemy (90 – 168 AD) was a scienttist, mathematician, astronomer, geographer, and poet. He lived in Egypt under Roman rule, and is credited for the Geocentric theory where the Earch is in the center of the solar system.

3---Nicolaus Copernicus (1473–1543)--is heliocentric cosmology marked the beginning of modern astronomy--- , Polish
Renaissance astronomer,
mathematician,physician,artist,classical
,scholar,translator, economist,
governor, military leader, and diplomat.

4---hypatia of Alexandria(350 -415 AD)--many of us know maria curie and her daughter but there is also a woman called hypatia daughter of the mathematician theon

----was a Greek
mathematician, philosopher,musician, and
astronomer. She lived in Egypt, and was
killed by a Christian mob--when the Coptic bishop
John of Nikiû identified her as a Hellenistic pagan

5--Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) (965–1039),an Iraqi scientist,physicist,anatomist,physician,psychologist, astronomer,engineer,inventor,mathematician,ophthalmologist, philosopher, and theologian.

Worth mentioning--He was one of the first to
formulate the scientific method,

6---•Zhang Heng (78-139)--many of us know of the seismometer(earth quake detectors)-heng invented it----, Han Dynasty Chinese politician, historian, philosopher, poet,mathematician, astronomer, geographer,cartographer, painter, sculptor, and inventor.

7---Avicenna (980–1037), Persian astronomer,chemist,geologist,logician,paleontologist, mathematician, physicist, poet, psychologist, and scientist. He wrote almost 450. He is known as the father of modern medicine. He is also considered the father of the fundamentalconcept of momentum in physics.

8--Shen Kuo (1031–1095), Chinese scientist,statesman, mathematician, astronomer,
meteorologist, geologist, zoologist,botanist, pharmacologist, agronomist,encyclopedist, poet, general, diplomat,hydraulic engineer, and inventor.

9--Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727) English physicist,mathematician, astronomer,
and alchemist. His 1687 publication of the Principia is one of the most influential books in science. It is in this work that Newton described gravitation and the three laws of motion.

An lastly

10--Aristotle (384–322 BC), Greek
philosopher, a student of Plato, and teacher of Alexander the Great. His fields of expertise include: physics, metaphysics, poetry, theater, music,logic, rhetoric, politics, ethics, biology, and zoology. He numbers among the greatest polymaths of all time.


---haven listed some of these universal geniuses

Who do you think is worthy of being in this list are you also worthy?

Never become so much of an expert that you stop
gaining expertise. View life as a continuous learning
experience.” – Denis Waitley

Olamide1997:
Can u ever argue or criticise with facts? Don't promote hatred among religion. I have noticed that most of ur threads and posts are mainly about attacking Islam and Muslims. My point is this- If u Annunaki, are a good Christian and uphold the tenets of Christianity as stated in the Bible and as Jesus commanded, u won't abuse, curse and hate Muslims as much as u do here. In summary, U Annunaki, are a very bad example of Christianity and Christ's gentleness and love teachings. Please Change

that's what some1 who is weak logically does instead of producing their point with moral eloquence they result in immoral means without making the least sense in the end

I wonder if the guy actually reads the bible to see how christ dialogues in a healthy way,,yet on the long run he any others like him derives joy in calling themselves CHRIST-LIKE

Annunaki:
Please reserve these rants for fellow brain dead muslims and almajiris who have been programmed from birth not to use their brain as far as the quoran and islam is concerned. To date over a thousand errors, contradictions and outright lies have been identified in the quoran and that is apart from over a hundred terror instructing verses that could only have been inspired by satan himself.

chuckles...your problem is you allow hatred over cloud you ability to reason clearly and to read contemplatively.

Well am not here to brawl or start a fracas with you

Just a word of advice for you---"do not let your hatred for a people lead you towards committing injustice(quran)--bro--

Annunaki:
Muslims always trying to twist the quoran to conform with science in their desperate but failed bid to prove their useless quoran is divine.

lol..look who is talking...have you been able to prove the divinity of your holy book? With all the atrocities it supports-"expecially in the old testaments". and all the contradictions and illogical assertions in your so called holy book

I'm sure you didn't sit to read the op's test,he clearly states that the koran is not a book of science and hence meant that he is not trying to shape the koran to the taste of science

He only is showing you and many others how a lot of scientific breakthroughs in modern time have been mentioned 15centuries ago and also appealing to you sense of logic and reason that how could an unlettered arab,without any scientific knowledge or instruments(keeping in mind that these scientific breakthroughs were achieved with sophisticated instruments) have achieved this feat

Fine job @op

Annunaki:
Utter rubbish! Arrogant expression of ignorance, maybe you need to dust up your history books or ask google for help. The crusades where justified because they were primarily to defend europe against marauding jihadists and not the other way round except you want to say the Europeans did not have a right to self defence.

lol

Fine job@ op

;DMake I finish dis match first

Annunaki:
And some brain dead lunatics will ignore the facts of the matter all in their glee and rush to condemn christian history. Yes by today's standards what the crusaders did is unacceptable only because they over stepped their boundaries and went on to behave like the jihadists but in reality they did what they had to do to ensure the survival of europe. If not for the crusaders, we will all be aarab slaves today living in a seventh century world. Say whatever rubbish you want but western civilisation which we are all benefitting from owes it's survival to the glorious crusaders who were able to halt the satanic jihadists in their tracks and send them packing.

chuckles...point of correction I'm not trying to condemn christians for their history

But you seem to know very little about the crusade

You term the killing of muslims defensive??, ok then.what's with the raping of women (including nuns)

What about the jews killed in the so called rhineland masacre

I see no reason why you should try to defend this wicked act I see no reason whatsoever

Of all the religious wars in human history waged by
any religion, at any place, and at any time, none have
been bloodier, more genocidal, more barbaric, and
more protracted than the "holy wars" by the
Western Crusades against the Arabs and Islam.

Well I'm not using the crusade as a scale to judge all Christians ..I guess that's the op's point too

Annunaki:
Nonsense bull sh.it al taquiya spreading thread. Even m0rons know that the glorious crusades were initiated as a defensive force to protect europe from evil marauding jihadists who had over ran Spain and were threatening the rest of europe. The crusaders also did a good job of ridding jerusalem of the satanists(muslims) who had occupied jerusalem several decades before the first crusade. It is to the credit of the crusaders that the satanic jihads were halted in europe and we remain grateful to them till this day for their sacrifice. It's disingenuous for modern day fraudulent muslims to try and turn the story around and give the false impression that it was the crusaders that started the problem.

really...what do you have to say about the rhineland masacre also?

Some desperados and moronic apologetics will try to device sentimental stratagems to justify these hedious crimes against humanity
--surely an idea cannot be defeated by force but by virtue of a superior idea

obowunmi:
I hate pastors that use their members to preach.

its so pathetic and so unethical keeping in mind you're gonna destroy the subject's public image

Now the church gonna believe him cause he is the pastor

Ethics and wisdom demand that you know,where,when and how to counsel somebody especially on such delicate issues

Mymain:
It's Isaac Newton's birthday though!!!!

you garrit

kennyosein:
Waleikum Salam,
This is a statement of Shaikh ul Islam Ibn
Taymiyyah not to be confused with the sayings of the Messenger of Allaah ( ﷺ ).

The messages is explicit but I will still try to paraphrase it with my teeny understanding.

"Who is the best among your nation?" They said: "the
companions of Moses." Then he asked the Christians so they replied: "the apostles of Jesus." Then he asked the Râfida "who is the worst among your nation?" They said: "the Companions of Muhammad"

Allah said about Jews (after all the corruption that they did): "Of the people of Moses there is a/section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. " (Qur'an 7:159).

Allah stated that of the Children of Israel there
are some who follow the truth and judge by it, whereas
the shia claimed all the Companions apostated after the
Prophet (salallaahu ‘alaihi wassallam) except for three, those
being: Miqdaad ibn Aswad, Abu Dharr al-Ghifaaree and
Salmaan al-Faarisee.”

Obviously the Shia allegations only connotes that the
companions were not virtuous people and what does that says about their Leader ( ﷺ ). The Shia curse the Companions who are the righteous pattern to this Ummah and Allah bear witness for that:

(Some part is due) to the indigent Muhajirs (the Companions who emigrated from Mecca) , those who
were expelled from their homes and their property, while seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure, and aiding Allah and His Messenger: such are indeed the sincere ones ;
But those who, before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith, show their affection to such as came to them for refuge, and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter) , but give them preference over themselves, even though poverty was their (own lot) . And those saved from the covetousness of their own souls; they are the ones that achieve prosperity.
And those who came after them say: "Our Lord! Forgive us, and our brethren who came before us into the Faith, and leave not, in our hearts, rancour (or sense of injury)
against those who have believed. Our Lord! Thou art indeed Full of Kindness, Most Merciful." (Qur'an Hashr: 8-10)

you've failed to respond to the verses of the koran which shows that some of the companions were hypocrites

---it is also clearly stated in the koran that the people of moses exhibit hypocrisy,returning to their pagan worship after moses left them for 40 days----

How can the Allah refer to the whole of these people(including the hypocritical) as the best people--hence equaling them to those who are devoted and are true companions

Also if is worth mentioning that even the koran never choose the companions of moses over his family

--“Musa said: O Allah! Assign me a Vizier from my
family, (that is) my brother Harun. Add to my
strength through him, and make him share my
task: that we may celebrate thy praise without
stint… (Allah) said: “We granted your requests, O
Musa” (20:29-36)

Regarding prophets muhammad's house hold Allah states in the koran

---"...Allah desires to keep any uncleanness from
you, o' people of the House and purify you with a perfect purification-koran33-33.----

If the ENTIRE sahabahs were the best people why wasn't a similar verse revealed about the entire sahabah's

----

Regarding abraham the koran states how Allah rewarded
Abraham by giving him righteous progeny (
Abraham's prayer in quran14:39-40)---in Quran6vs74-87--even muhammad as we know is a descendant of abraham from his offspring and not his companions

---isn't it all logical for God who chose as the leaders of mankind the offsprings of abraham,,and chose harun as the vizier of moses to chose as the leaders of the muslim ummah prophet mohammad's offspring and descendants?

sinkhole:
Thanks BETATRON, its nice discoursing with you. This AEDC just brought light now and I got to do some work!

ok..enjoy

sinkhole:
You are taking us out of the ability and attributes of God to that of Man!

nope..just giving analogies of how man can attain his perfection

God created man in his own image meaning he is given the ability to attain perfection to the best of his ability by making use of his free will not sitting idly and expecting to attain perfection

sinkhole:
I quite understand its an analogy, but I am saying that the analogy does not stand!
God made us and He gave us live and He can take the live if He so wishes, meaning we have no control over our lives!

lol..life and death are predestined by how we live our lives is not predestined but based on free will

If we say God predestined man and remotes him towards doing evil and he has no choice on His path why is there retribution for these deeds which are not the result of our own choice

Why do courts and military punish people knowing fully well that their acts have been predestined?