₦airaland Forum

Mutegi:
Total rubbish; Corruption should be fought at all levels. It is already reported both parties rigged so Raila has no moral authority. The again look at crooks at his party.

Ruto- he was supposed to be the next PM but he has pending corruption cases in court. And also being reported as the guy behind and financing post elections skirmishes. He is a big beneficiary of Moi corrupt regime.

Mudavadi-Raila right hand man,mastermind behind Kenya biggest corruption scandal that brought the economy to a grounding halt.

and a few others reported to have fleeced government institutions.

Raila's party is ridden with so many crooks such that it is better the devil you know.Right now Kibaki has new guys so he can have a clean slate and redeem himself.

well is it not imperative that there are few choices from which kenyans make decisions! then why dont they take the next best step,,,,which is the Unity government?

@ Ruemu
i would be pleased if you sent me details also bibiking69@hotmail.com

@PUMPIN777
you just saved my life!!!
thanks men.

@ALL
been thinking about it for a while and i believe sooner than later it is sure bound to happen, why not now?
what do you guys think about getting a seperate index other than the NSE in the country, something like the NASDAQ or S&P 500 in the states?

@ ALL
can anyone please tell me what JULI a second tier market stock is into!
i tried getting information online about them but each time i hit a roadblock

abeg let them prosecute the man jare!

bibiking1:
since Kibaki has decided to inaugurate a cabinet composed of riggers and political thieves, so i[b] support Raila's decision to proceed with his rally![/b]

please be attentive!

since Kibaki has decided to inaugurate a cabinet composed of riggers and political thieves, so i support Raila's decision to proceed with his rally!

both the person that sang that song and Andrew that she sang about are cooling off in Yankee as we speak so

very nice song though

too bad no confirmation!
i wonder why you guys always look out for negatives?

@linuxuser
why do you think these western dudes have the authority over how we run our government here?
In as much as i am pro-western, recent events have shown that the corruption in this country is being aided by a lot of western organisations.

so Mr. Feingold can keep feigning ignorance and self-righteousness for all i care.
Ribadu's going to course was the right thing at the right time!

nigeria1:
you go school so? did you not read the word "access" for your english dictionary, what does it mean. Let put apart play. Your parent did not teach you anything. Even if President Yar Adua is not as old as your father, at least the office he represent is older than your father.? ?
And you know anyone that can ask sure a stupid question. After you go claim say you be born again. What type of born again are you?,? I am from a family when I know what to ask, I know why I am putting out here.

Your question should have been why this place. You want to know,? I want to catch his attention why he need to use the internet. If Adenuga knows how much per day he is losing. I stop here. It is just a way to catch his attention to use the internet.

the entire construction of this whole statement(if i can call it that) leaves me bewildered as to your concern for my educational qualifications?

@ NIGERIAONE OR NIGERIA1

Stop asking Nairaland for people's numbers, kindly ask YarAdua he will gladly give you since you are his buddy.

@toshman
This particular case is very much different from all the other cases.
there is a true sense of wanting freedom in this particular case.,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The previous cases of deaths in the article you cited shows that most where pre-election.
Meaning the deaths resulted from people campaigning for a candidate

In this recent case people unfortunately lost their lives in post-election violence,,,,,,,,,,defending their votes.

The former was also the case of Nigeria, majority of the deaths recorded where pre-election, where most of the victims where fighting for a candidate

There is a fundamental difference!

@seunspice
you obviously detest the truth and prefer fantasy and fables.
you always want to tell your kids of abiola the "great man" like Udeme in that guinness ad
truth is abiola was a saboteur, and his travails were a result of his past political infamy

Another wasted thread!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely NOTHING!!!!!

Omar's case is different!
but whatever point you are trying to make,,,,,,,,,,one thing is clear the elections in that country will always be conducted with some amount of trepidation and reverence

that McKren guy is very suspicious

@Debosky
quite right! what is going on now is detestable and outrightly denounceable,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but like i said before, there is an idealogy in all of this

when next an election is held in Kenya, NOBODY will want to rig, cos they will not want a repeat of all of this

omoge:
Must they resort to violence to send their messages across? Africa sef!

for the meantime Yes!

when the leadership can fully understand what dialogue entails , then maybe the people can change tactics

source?

Mutegi:
noetic

Kibaki shot himself in the foot a few times; he refused to act on corruption touching his cronies infuriating people and the reason his ministers were purged during this elections.

Kenya 5 powerful ministries were filled by Kibaki cronies and this was seen as tribalism.

Raila took advantage of this and the economic boom to say only Kikuyu’s benefited from it. Given, some of the structures set up had not trickled down to the common man to feel effect. Raila ran a dirty campaign provoking emotions inciting the poor and other tribes feeling left out and it was not based on issues. He did not hide it; his strategy was 41 against 1 which has turned disastrous meaning 41 tribes against one. Kikuyus thought it was a political gimmick and did not for once think they would be attacked. On the other side other tribes took it literally to mean tribal cleansing. The electorate there needs to disqualify anybody inciting such kind of violence but they don’t have those powers. Then he has a fanatical kind of a cult following from the LUO. To Luo’s Raila is like God and his word is final.Raila is one of those politicians that does not play fair, vengeful, inciter and a manipulator.He will be a constant thorn in Kenya politics for a long time.

i think what is important is that if the devil is going to come in, let it be through a democratic process, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Almost all politicians have some skeletons in ther cupboard

baba ana:
can anyone point one successful business mko had and still functioning today. it shows what sort of president he would had been.

hardly can you find any nigerian business that has had very smooth succession from one generation to the other

@ Pcicero
that first line of your message is very disturbing,
The same point i am trying to point out obviously has not sank in,
THIS IS ETHNIC UNDERTONE IS A FACADE
it aims to cover the primary and fundamental point in this whole issue,,, which is a people's desire not to allow fraudulent elections stand,

whatever is happening now is unfortunate BUT necessary in attaining freedom

onikoyitop:
The fundamental problem in Africa is thats of the ignorance of the grassroot.Most of the people who who support rigging and other corrupt tendencies are being u the used by people at the helms of affairs.There are notable examples-Adedibu , Saraki and a host of other grassroot politicians who have turned into negatively justified demagogues. Not until we the masses take the bull by the horn the saying "people deserve the kind of leadership they get would continue to hold sway".Remember the Jacobins and Girondins in France , the serfs in Russia-how they got rid of the czarist monarchial absolutism we are experiencing in Africa today.We are the architects of our destinies.What are we doing?

the very same thing the Kenyans are hoping to achieve

davidylan:
@ Mutegi, this is not about Kibaki or Raila Odinga . . . this is about the collective shame we should feel as Africans that North, south, east, west . . . we cannot conduct proper elections!
Why is rigging so rampant in Africa? Why are we so hellbent on proving James Watson right after all?

James Watson must be revelling in delight now!
The mornachial system of governance has not quite left our bloodstream yet,
every African leader wants to HAND-OVER to HIS successor, and not those the people want,

while those who can find no successor want to DIE on the throne,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,see MUGABE

whether Igbo, Hausa or Yoruba.

when an individual is corrupt, his tribe does not come into play

that guy was a criminal! the cause of Awolowo's woes.

He would have led us into early doom if he was president

events really helped the country

people like McKren who are stoutly in support of Ribadu, have become misled into a blind argument.
They forget that we are talking about reducing corruption in the country
so eradicating corruption should take centre stage and not Ribadu

so please! if we are not a country so much in love with corrupt ways, we would have quickly set our sights back unto the big stage i.e fighting corruption!

I-man:
Surely it takes less effort to achieve the above than going around killing and raping innocent people.

Comparing the civil war to ethnic cleansing is pointless.A war between 2 armed factions is different from sporadic acts of violence aimed at innocent civilians. Why are we even debating whether ethnic violence is good for Kenya?

that is exactly what Kibaki wants the issue to be viewed as,,,,,,,,,,,,,ethnic violence
when in the true sense it is a people's fight against slavery

the two incidence both involved factions of a country engaging each other in combat,

but that aside,      what are you proposing?
that the Kenyans watched in reticence while their will and wishes were being subverted?

I-man i don't seem to get it.