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Blood is thicker than water for sure!

419 is a state of mind. It has nothing to do with the leaders.
I can assure you that with excellent leaders in place, some of us will still engage in 419. Folks simply do not want to work hard for nothing today; they prefer to take a big chance to drive a big car.

419 is bigger than bad economy or retarded leaders; it has a lot to do with individual's family background, home training, lack of self respect and unGodly state of mind.

D-reloaded:

It will be nice not to be too naughty and try to comport yourself appropriately like a lady when you talk to me.

Please remind us what you want to achieve with this thread apart from finger pointing.

Basically to point finger at the low-lives that continue to damage the great image of Nigerians all around the world; and whoever the cap fit can go ahead and put it on!

I hope you guys feel better now!

Again, it isn't about you or Spain.
My friend, when are you going to start thinking broadly?

We foolishly think the victims of 419 are only the white guys. When you've been held up in an airport for one hour simply because you're a Nigerian (I have - August 2007, schipol airport) and you've got a mastercard but you can't buy from any reputable shop online (i can't) then you'll see that innocent nigerians are also victims of this curse.

Absolutely on point.

Could my people see the connection between this disgraceful drama and 419?

@Blatant

It's not about Colonia, in fact these folks have no clue who is receiving these fake letters; folks in Europe or United states, I can assure you that at least 2 people from your jobs have received these disgraceful letters, at least twice in their lifetime.
They might not mention it to you, but trust me they know who is responsible and where the letters are coming from.

Again, the goal is to send 419ers message that Nigerians are sick and tired of their image being dragged on the floor all over the world.
It is almost impossible to introduce yourself as Nigerian without being immediately labeled as crook or swindler.

How long are we willing to let this go on?

Germannig:
When are you finally going to lead?

Romeo:
You need to slow down, trust me!

Finally, do direct your urgent  email response only to this email
address:mark.d746@gmail.com

Best Regards,
Senator David Mark
(FEDEREL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA

Let us all let the 419ers know that Nigerians are sick and tired of their image being tarnished all around the world.

The email address is listed, it's up to you and I!

Even when i told you that the people doing credit card scam in Spain are not igbos, Efcc site told us they are not the most wanted in Nigeria

I'm sorry to inform you that Spain and Nigeria are not the only countries in the world.
Nobody cares about Spain.

Sorry!

When a crime is commited by a Nigerian abroad, do you think the world cares to know which ethnic group he / she is coming from. After all, there is no special passport for any tribe; it's a green pali for everyone

My man,
Please, find something else to say, this statement has already been posted few minutes ago by someone else.

My man,
my goal is not to point finger. A thief is a thief no matter how much you steal or how many of you steal. Also, regardless of if you're Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa, we are all Nigerians. Hence, we are directly connected to one another.
And FYI: The outsiders do not categorize us into these 3 groups (Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa) when they receive these fake 419 letters; they believe all Nigerians in general are criminals and can never be trusted.
We must change this despicable image and send a positive message to all that Nigerians are one of the greatest groups on this planet.

If you know any 419ners, together let us drag them on the floor till their back sides turn pink!

Identifying the percentage (of 419ners) based on Nigerian Ethnicities doesn't represent finger pointing in any way, but only identifies where our attention is needed the most.
No disrespect; if my numbers are wrong, please feel free to correct me by proving me wrong.

@Romeo, you're a good man!

No need to fight about this; it is what it is. Let us all touch the mind of any potential 419ners and make it clear to them that there are other honest and better ways to drive big cars.

I'm confident that together we can restore the Great Image of Nigerians all over the world.

Also go ahead and call those listed phone numbers, I can assure you that it wouldn't be Abubakar or Muhammad to answer the phone!

Guys, don't be lazy like others; do not only go on EFCC site.

To further simplify things quickly, you guys should all go around the world, find out how many Nigerians are currently in various jails and also identify their convictions.
Then finally break them (this population) down into the 3 groups (Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa).

I would love to know your upshot

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You could have just posted your weak excuse without calling names.
Never the less, your post still doesn't make sense and I think that is why you're getting very frustrated.

419 from abroad left Nigeria under frustrating circumstances, engendered by the killing of the economy. They were mostly ill-equipped to fit into their foreign countries of relocation. That explains why they cannot get befitting jobs and may have wrongly resorted to 419.

Again, 419 is a state of mind. There is absolutely no excuse; If Chinese graduate, who doesn't speak English could relocate to United States for a better life to cook Chinese fried rice for the next 20 years, Nigerian 419ers have no excuse. There are numbers of honest ways for one to survive if she or he is willing; but my people do not like to wait for God's blessing.
I refuse to accept that poverty or bad economy is the reason why people indulge in 419.
We should try: Pure greed, lack of patience, materialistic state of mind, laziness, poor home training, lack of self respect,  poor vision, peer pressure, weak family background and the existence of unsympathetic minds in our society

I get these emails 5 times a day i have decided to post them maybe some one can help me tell  these people that i am not interested in their 419 deals

@Colonia:

Thanks for this posted information.
May be folks should start calling the listed phone numbers for these criminals and see who picks up the phone.   
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I'm very sad, so sorry for the dissapointment.


My man, giff me a break!

@youngies:


"419"

An advance-fee fraud is a confidence trick in which the target is persuaded to advance relatively small sums of money in the hope of realizing a much larger gain.[1] Among the variations on this type of scam are the Nigerian Letter (419 fraud or Nigerian money offer[2])[3] and the Spanish Prisoner.

The 419 scam originated in the early 1980s as the oil-based economy of Nigeria declined. Several unemployed university students first used this scam as a means of manipulating business visitors interested in shady deals in the Nigerian oil sector before targeting businessmen in the west, and later the wider population. Scammers in the early-to-mid 1990s targeted companies, sending scam messages via letter[4], fax, or Telex.[5] The spread of email and easy access to email-harvesting software made the cost of sending scam letters through the Internet inexpensive. In the 2000s, the 419 scam has spurred imitations from other locations in Africa and Eastern Europe.

The number "419" refers to the article of the Nigerian Criminal Code (part of Chapter 38: "Obtaining Property by false pretences; Cheating" dealing with fraud.[6] The American Dialect Society has traced the term "419 fraud" back to 1992.[7]

The advance-fee fraud is similar to a much older scam known as the Spanish Prisoner scam.[8] The fictitious prisoner would promise to share non-existent treasure with the person who would send them money to bribe their guards.

Insa Nolte, a lecturer of University of Birmingham's African Studies Department, stated that "The availability of e-mail helped to transform a local form of fraud into one of Nigeria's most important export industries." [9]

For more info click           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_fee_fraud

@bawomol:
There is no one pointing finger here.
There is a process to eradicate any unwanted forces.
If you pay attention, you will realize that part of discovering eradication solution is also part of thoroughly identifying the problems and where the problems are coming from.

This is not a fight, it is a mere discussion. If you have a better statistics or solution, please feel free to present it.
Absolutely I could be wrong, I'm not perfect.

Again, no disrespect to any one. I love all my brothers (Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa) equally more than anything, but let the truth come out and together discover a better strategy to rectify 419 and polish up our Image as Nigerians all over the world.

FYI: Because of 419 today Nigerian businesses all over the world are severely suffering.
And how long are we willing to allow things to continue to go on like this?

Some folks can't even get a decent job all because of our incredible image around the world.

My man, Open up a topic for it.

This topic is dedicated to 419 And Nigerian Ethnicities.

Pay attention!

background problem: bad economy.

You're not looking at things broadly!

Again FYI: My man, some of these 419 personalities have not been to Nigeria in 15 years.

@Germannig:
Good post, I appreciate your insight.

FYI:[/b]Poverty or bad economy is not the reason why people indulge in 419.
We should try: Pure greed, lack of patience, materialistic state of mind, laziness, poor home training, lack of self respect,  poor vision, peer pressure, weak family background and the existence of unsympathetic minds in our society.

To prove this point, many Nigerians are currently living in United States of American; the country that suppose to be the land of freedom, the land of enormous opportunities to be all you can be; guess what? my brothers are there in numbers doing nothing, but specializing in [b]"419"
May be we should ask them whether their 10 years 419 career is also based on poor electric and water supply or unstable economy in United states!

It is what it is!
419 is a state of mind; some of us simply get full excitement from ripping off others.

but most nigerians abroad are yoruba's and igbos.  would counting the number of them in jail based on ethnicity make sense??

My man, pay attention. I said all over the world (including Nigeria) and it shouldn't even matter.
In fact, also double check which tribe has the highest population in general; may be that would also help you to see where I'm coming from!

To further simplify things quickly, you guys should all go around the world, find out how many Nigerians are currently in various jails and also identify their convictions.
Then finally break them (this population) down into the 3 groups (Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa).

I would love to know your upshot.

i just want to inform the author of this thread that his full name is big fool.
how do u define 419? who are the famous 419ners in nigeria and where did u draw your conclussions from?
what are the reasons behind this 419?u are so parocial in your reasoning that u have forgotten who and who that efcc have used as examples in nigeria.
like i have said to some other fools like u, u must not send a topic. if u do not have what to post, u can read other people's posts and contribute and stop embarrassing yourself.
it is obvious that idiots like u will always hide their identity.
if u think u are proud of your tribe, tell us so that i will reffer u to your tribes" men and their roles in the 419 symdrome in nigeria.

@chidichris:
You're still a good man!

It is what it is, we all know the truth; but the truth is simply very difficult to handle; and I'm not surprised to receive all these names calling. It doesn't bother me at all.
I'm not here to cause any trouble or to disrespect anybody, but to indirectly discover a way to rectify 419 and polish our image as Nigerians all around the world.

My statistics stay intact till you prove me wrong.

@iykrion:
I love you like my brother, but based on my research I think 65% is fair and close enough.
No need to fight, just prove me wrong.

Okosisi:
what am I clicking or counting?

There is absolutely no doubt about it, I may be wrong, but you need to prove me wrong.

For now, my statistics stay the same.

Moslem North not involved  The Southern elite • The real reason behind Nigerian scam letters

There has been some speculation in the western media about the destination of money acquired from 419 advanced fee scams. Among some of the wild theories put forward by some analysts is the terrorist connection. This is not only far-fetched but highly unlikely. The background and most importantly religion of the perpetrators make this connection improbable. At least in Nigeria.

Although this type of crime originated in Nigeria, it has now spread to many other countries in various forms but the objective remains the same - to relieve the victim of money without giving anything in return. Some of those operating from other African countries are identified as Nigerians because they carry Nigerian passports. It is not very difficult to obtain this document for the right 'fee'.



Moslem North not involved
To explain the improbability of Nigerian 419 scammers funding terrorism I would go into the make up of the country. Nigeria has over 120 million inhabitants spread over 36 States and a Federal Capital Territory (Abuja). It has over 250 ethnic groups and about the same number of dialects. The three main tribes are Hausa/Fulani (Moslems) in the North, Igbo (Christians) in the Southeast and Yoruba (mainly Christians) in the Southwest.

The Hausa/Fulani Moslems of Northern Nigeria are largely backward economically, educationally, infrastructurally, industrially. Although there is universal free education in the country, they rarely complete elementary school and will more often than not send their children to Arabic schools to study the Koran instead. Most follow the strict Islamic code of Sharia that espouses amputation of limbs for stealing and the stoning of women to death for committing adultery. Women are subjugated and do not have the same rights as men.


The Southern elite
In the South the picture is a stark opposite. The Igbos are the most educated in Nigeria and are known for their aggressive entrepreneurial endeavors. They bore the full brunt of the 1967-1970 Nigeria civil war when the entire southeast was raised to the ground by the Nigerian army. Within 8 years of the war ending everything was rebuilt and they continue to prosper. The Yorubas follow very closely behind the Igbos. They are mostly academicians and have excelled in various fields.

The majority of the 419 scammers come from the Southeastern/ Southwestern of Nigeria. It is very difficult to say precisely why. One theory is that the sheer complexity, audacity and 'intelligence' required to plan and execute this crime is way beyond the faculties of the illiterate Northerners.


The real reason behind Nigerian scam letters

Poverty is not the reason why people indulge in 419 because a large percentage of them are already wealthy in their own right (not through 419). They employ people to scam for them while using their legitimate business as a front. Lower down the ladder, you get the newly qualified professionals who are caught up in the 'get rich quick syndrome' pervading southern Nigeria in current times. This group would rather wait for the maturity of one scam than work their way up the employment ladder.

Why do they do it, I hear you ask?  Because the input is miniscule and the returns astronomical. If a scammer sends out 2000 letters or emails, with a response of 1% or lower, s/he has hit the JACKPOT!!! As long as some greedy individuals continue to respond, they will stay in business as they are always one step ahead of they law.

The money from these crimes finance mainly drug trafficking, mistresses, property, exotic cars. It is all about ostentation, ostentation and more ostentation. There is a story about one of them that had so many cars that his palatial mansion resembled a car dealership. His wife use to drive a car to color co-ordinate what she was wearing. If she drove a different car everyday it would take over six months to drive all the cars.

There certainly is no terrorist connection. The religion of the perpetrators make it highly improbable. Even if there were Northern Nigerian advanced fee fraudsters (which is doubtful), their fanaticism is not sophisticated. The typical Nigerian is too selfish for that kind of sponsorship.


http://www.fraudaid.com/ScamSpeak/Nigerian/adaora/419ter.htm