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OtemAtum:
People can tell you that they gain while in the actual sense they are losing. It's by asking them what they have gained so far that they will pause and start discovering that they haven't even gained a dime. That's called the 'Delusion'. Ask an average Nigerian christian if he gains from Jesus, he will tell you yes, then ask him what he has gained from Jesus, then he will begin to 'merry-go-round'. You know why? This is because the things he thinks that he was gaining from Jesus was actually what everybody in the world are gaining from nature. For example, he will tell you that Jesus protects his life, then who protected the lives of the atheists and freethinkers. He will say that Jesus made him free from sicknesses, then who made atheists and freethinkers free from sicknesses? Some will say that it is Jesus that saved them from doing evil, then who made a humanist and atheists desist from doing evil? Who made atheists able to reproduce rather than being barren? Who made us coronafree? Who made the rich atheists and humanists rich? That effect is same I can equate to the 'LUWABI POT EFFECT' written in the history below:

Luwabi 15: 1-39
CHAPTER FIFTEEN
1. Luwabi overturned a large pot in front of his house. And he wrote saying, do not open. It is the secret of Luwabi. If you open it and see what you do not wish to see, then it is your own problem, because I have forewarned you saying, do not open.
2. Now rumours began to spread all around about the covered pot of Luwabi. And the egungun of that land said, under the pot of Luwabi are his charms. And he shall hurt many with it.
3. And some said, Luwabi is a wizard. He has covered the destiny of many homos in it.
4. And some said, Luwabi is one of the Alawo of the land. And some admirers of Luwabi feared and said, Luwabi is using our destiny to prolong his own life.
5. And the Igunnuko and Eyo of other lands also said that Luwabi is into a very big cult.
6. Now every day, Luwabi would sit on top of the upturned pot and smile at those passing. And they feared him greatly, saying, Luwabi is a blood-sucker and a wizard.
7. And many withdrew their children from going to the court of Luwabi.
8. Now in a year, many beliefs had been formed around the pot of Luwabi. And some said, the pot of Luwabi is the pot of magic.
9. And many came to say that they saw Luwabi in their dreams casting spells at them from the pot.
10. And some said the pot contains earthworms and snails, while others said it is filled with evil cowries.
11. Now a homo fell sick when he remembered that Luwabi had fed him from similar pot before. And the homo said, I did eat with Luwabi from the pot, not knowing that Luwabi was using my destiny.
12. And even those who said they were witches and wizards began to fear Luwabi greatly.
13. And the fame of Luwabi spread far into many lands. And they feared him even from those lands.
14. Now some of the priests of the gods came to Luwabi, saying, tell us the secret of your power.
15. But Luwabi said, I cannot share the secret with anyone. My pot is outside there, go and open it.
16. Now many of them began to hate Luwabi. And they met together, saying, let us conjure fearful dreams and send it to his head. And he shall fear if he dreams it.
17. Now one said, if Luwabi does not think of us, how shall he dream about us? Now let us go around his house and scare him.
18. Now the people went around Luwabi’s house and called his name, saying, Luwabi, we witches shall destroy your life in your dream today. We shall tear your flesh apart.
19. Now Luwabi heard them and smiled. And then he went to bed.
20. Now all the people gathered together to imagine what they wished to let Luwabi see in his dream. And they imagined deep into the night, saying, since Luwabi has already heard our threat, he shall dream it also.
21. Now when Luwabi was asleep, he saw many birds flying over his head to tear him apart. But because he had trained himself not to fear anything, he was not afraid in the dream.
22. And Luwabi said in the dream, birds of the dream, shall you follow me out of the dream? If I wake up now, shall you not all be wiped out with the dream?
23. Then Luwabi woke up from his sleep and laughed.
24. Now when Luwabi came out of his house, he went to sit on the pot again. And the people who threatened him saw him and were surprised. For they thought that he would have died in his sleep overnight.
25. Now two brave homos said to themselves, we shall upturn the pot of Luwabi to know what he has kept under it. Now it was already three years since the pot was there. And many stories had been formed around it.
26. And even many priests had been threatened by its presence, yet they were afraid to open it. And those who feared so much came to worship the pot, so that they would not be destroyed by the power in it.
27. And they brought sacrifices in calabashes and placed them before the pot. But Luwabi fed their sacrifices to his animals, but no one knew. For they thought that the pot had accepted the sacrifices.
28. And some homos had formed a religion woven around the pot. And the pot did they make their god. And they made panegyrics for the pot.
29. And they said, Ikoko Luwabi orisa wa(meaning the pot of Luwabi, our own god).
30. Now the two brave men whose names were Akin and Gbajumo came to the pot at noon. And they said, we shall open the pot and dare the consequences.
[b] 31. So many gathered to watch them open the pot. And those who worship the pot came and said, do not open it, because it is our god. And since we began to worship it, it has been protecting us from evil.
32. However, Akin and Gbajumo proceeded and lifted up the pot. And many homos scattered to different directions, running when no one was chasing them. And those who were curious were shocked beyond imagination. For they saw nothing under the pot and they were disappointed.
33. Now it was known before the passing away of that day that the pot of Luwabi contained nothing. And they who had built their worship around the pot wondered, saying, why then are we protected when we changed our gods to worship the pot as our new god?
34. Who protected us from death when we left the worship of Ogun and Sango and even Oya to worship this pot?
35. Now Luwabi sat them down and said, you protected yourself with what you believe. For if you believe that you are protected, then you shall be protected. You do not need any god to protect you, but your own mind.[/b]
36. When you see a pot turned upside down, you think it is covering up something. But the truth of the matter is that it covers up nothing worth checking. So are many beliefs. They are made up of nothing but vacuums, yet they have power to protect you and to make you look powerful because you have put your belief in them.
37. Now the homo, who fell sick after thinking of the food he ate from the pot before it was overtuned, came to Luwabi because he had become well. And he said, baba Luwabi, if indeed the pot did not cover anything, how then did I fall sick?
38. How then did I dream that a snake was inside the pot turned over?
39. Then Luwabi said, your fear made you dream so and not because there is a snake under it. That is what fear can do to anyone. Now because you have known that there is nothing under it, you became well again. So is life. Many die because of their ignorance.

u see that is ur problem, u generalize everything, now let me give u an examples, I have seen personally pepo guys who were cultist and thieives and when they met Jesus Christ dey dropped these bad system of life to follow Jesus christ, now sum of might have died if they had not found Christ becos of thier nefarious lifestyle, so my brother tell me, has religion not made a positive impact on that person,s life,...like I told u b4 wat works for somebody might not work for u...it depends on u,...u cannot tell me that a person giving his life to Christ to stop killing and stealing is being delusional wen he says religion has helped him. u are always thinking from one angle and then u will generalize it...I have seen testimonies of people who have been so depressed to the point of commiting sucide but wen they found religion they found peace, so will u say because there are atheists who have peace and don't commit crime then religion did not help d pepo I mentioned.

OtemAtum:
I'm simply on earth to make the truth of the unvierses known to people and to make people know that all religions of the world are false and their foundations are built on lies and deceptions.

then u are either agnostic or atheist,nd like I said b4 it is too early for u start celebrating because the percentage of athiests/agnostic in Nigeria is still too low for u to b happy, infact u have not started.

OtemAtum:
I am neither an agnostic nor an atheist. I am not in the world to belong to one tag or the other. I am just a brain-user. Or simply call me Otemic after my own name.

then u are saying u are not against people believing in Jesus or Allah but u are against pepo adhering to religious laws.

OtemAtum:
Religion is one version of software, freethinking is another version of software. So let's upgrade to freethinking and see what we will have. I have never concluded that religion is totally bad as nothing on earth, not even Corona Virus, is totally bad, because some people will always gain while majority will lose. In the case of religion, few people(pastors, etc) are gaining while majority are losing. So the bad side of it overwhelms the good side, hence a call for it's abandonment.

guy that is a big fat lie, u can say that in majority of Nigerian Pentecostal churches pastors gain more than members, but not christainity in general, I told that a large percent of the world's population are religious and a lot of them have testimonies of it positive impact on thier lives. and for that ur software decription u can see that it is from ur own point of view, because I gave u my own point of view that religion is a brand of software not a version of software...infact that is y there will always b different beliefs amongst us, because u can't force ur point of view on others

OtemAtum:
Religion is like a software of the mind. If a software is not functioning well, there's need for removal and replacement. Humans have been trying religion on the earth but it's not yielding any positive result. Now let's try freethinking and let's see what we get. Religion is built upon lies and we should not encourage it.

wat gives u d idea that religion generally is not helping? the fact that a version of software does not function well in particar system does not mean that brand of software is bad, u can go for a better version and that same version might still function well in anoda system, ...wat I am saying is dat concluding that religion is totally bad is not correct

OtemAtum:
I'm not advocating for atheism as myself am not an atheist. But have you heard of irreligious people and freethinkers before? That's exactly what I'm advocating and I can gladly tell you that we have a handful of them already and I am one of them. You can sample the opinions of people around you about religion and I can assure you that many of them are now freethinkers. If you see someone who says that he is a Christian but doesn't go to church, that person is already on his or her way to freethinking, thanks to the pastors who helped us quickly see the scam in the Christianity religion.

I don't get u, are u saying u are agnostic? shey u know u can b irreligious and still believe in Jesus Christ..they call themselves spiritual but they do not adhere religious rules..if u are saying u are against pepo being religious irrespective of who they believe in, then I can understand wat u are saying,

OtemAtum:
I went to a public gathering today to hear and know more about people's opinions of things. Six guys gathered, discussing life issues. In no time at all, they have switched over to religious topics. I was very happy at the switch because it's what I wanted to hear from the public all the while. I was not disappointed to see that five of them were against religion, especially the Christianity religion. Only one of them was in support, but not wholeheartedly though. I was just nodding among them, enjoying myself

What did they say? A guy confessed how he was punched in the stomach severely while being asked to vomit the object of Satan in his body. He actually went for deliverance at Mountain of Fire. He said when the punches were too much, he had to let saliva flow out of his mouth so that they can leave him alone.

He also talked about a community in his land where there were 20 churches but one school and one health care. The guy was very furious at Christianity and was critically condemning King James who wrote the King James Version of the Bible. He emphasized that African eyes are getting opened.

I will encourage every 'backslider' on nairaland to continue working hard to free up African minds as they are doing now, because it's really having impacts in our society.

They also discussed how churches have used them for free labour in building their universities and schools. Churches used their members to carry bricks, blocks, sands while constructing secondary schools and universities which the poor church member children could not attend.

Another person outrightly said that religion is a scam, without fear or favour.


Pls let all irreligious people keep up with the good work of opening their eyes. Then Africa will get there. Religious nuisance will be rid off our society.

I'm very happy today for what I hear on the streets.

Bros shey u know the ratio of religious pepo to athiests are 9 to 1 in this country, infact 99% of nigerians believe in God so if u are hoping for athiest majority then u have not started.

it is so wrong to say that religion is completely bad, because if we're to take stats more than 80% of the world's population are religious and a majority of those pepo are good pepo, a lot of them if asked will tell u that religion has contributed positively to thier lives, it is the abuse of religion that is bad.

OruExpress:
I don't know your personal situation, but since you have given up the culture of your ancestors have you also given up the worldly land you inherited from them? Assuming your family is land owning or a man depending on your (former) culture?

Bros leave him alone he has the right to choose who he serves, una too dey form one kind thing for Nigeria self, how can u be telling an adult he is not supposed to serving his God, after una go say Nigeria nor good, majority of Europeans, southern and northern American's are Christians yet Jesus is from the middle East. he has the right to choose who he wants to serve

lakeside79937:
That was funny I pray and I believe in God .been living in UK for 15 years 1 out of 10 british dont believe in God and 80% of white british dont believe in god but I can tell you that despite they dont believe in God they are more honest than all the muslims and Christian's in nigeria . You cant mention in the name of jesus to a white british most of them would tell you that you are idiot . They dont go to church they dont believe but they live better than us . If you tell them they would go to Hell they will ask you who has been to HELL ? Who died came back and tell you how hell looks like ? Dont get me wrong that's their belief that a Religion is to create FEAR and a religion is the hope of s poor man . Every one has the right to believe what they believe on . If you live in Britain you will wake up if you decide not to be living under illusions. All the money nigerian pastors make in Britain only come from black people .a white man would never give a pastor is money

Bros I don't know about Britain but I know dat more than 60% of America or even Germany are christians , the difference is dat they are not overzealous as Nigerians, even in Russia the percentage of christians there is even higher than 70%, but the percentage of christians in Nigeria is just above 50%, so the problem is not christainity here but the way we practice it

j1mmy:
More Nigerian m0rons displaying their backward and primitive mentality online.
Even saying you believe in Jesus and church in 2020 is enough to fail any exam, interview and iQ test!

oga proffesor well done sir ,oh u are smarter than all d christians around the world including bill gates, and other successful people...na u still dey here dey fool urself

FruitCakes:
Kindly answer this question below. Not for bashing sake, just to learn

u forgot to mentions the Koreans, espaniacs and by the way Jesus was a Jew and in terms of race Jews are not classified as whites, because there are arab Jews also, if they were considered the same race as whites, then there will be no descrimnation against Jews, no Nazis...Jesus is accepted by all races from whites,Koreans, espaniacs,there are even arab christians ....going by ur idea Jews are supposed to b d most followers of Christ, but no it is not dat way because even d bible made it clear dat Jesus did not come for his own pepo, hence he is rejected by his fellow Jews and accepted by others

DuBLINGreenb:
Religion is a safe space for people afraid to die

unfortunately, she was raped and killed in the house of her god while her god did nothing to save her

For now those guys are still mere "SUSPECTS" so you people should stop hurling insults until conviction and sentencing

una too like mumu arguement, wetin cum bring religion cum dis matter?... police matter again u go still carry go God side, una nor get other things for mind self, how can u be so obsessed with a God u don't believe in?

Vianna:
Nigerians eat anything, even rodents. Well it's common in Africa generally tho, it's a survival technique. Reasons the whites call us all sorts .. we've literally failed to glide along with evolution.

all of una won use nigerian shine, any small thing nigerians are dis ,nigerians are dat..even food too na don turn Nigeria cause of backwardness, anything u see Africans doing dat d whites are not doing is now seen as a trait of backwardness

AFvckingAlpha:
The whites don't call us names because we eat rodents. Say another thing.

And what about the Chinese??

The Sars virus didn't breakout on African soil.

Bros nor mind her.. anybody now wen won form intellectual or enlighted na Nigerians dem won dey use as bad example ..as if na only Nigerians dey exhibit dose characters...I have said it b4 Nigeria's major problem is corruption..nor b all dis one wen dem dey talk.

all of una get work oh, na porn una cum dey argue dis kind afternoon..if u are a Christian and u believe porn is a sin den don't watch but if u are not a Christian nd u believe porn is gud for u, den continue watching porn...simple

SegFault:
They will only hire you if you are good for the job. So they should hire a dumb person maka blm.

so all black pepo are dumb shey?... nd dey can't find smart black pepo abi

ExHusband:
Nigerians have such terrible comprehension problems, my god. They didn't say *you* can't use these words. They said *they* (Twitter) are going to stop using these words. My god this is a country of IQ 65 people!

Bros don't blame dem, na d op, the way he wrote the title, like me wen I clicked d thread at first,I just moved directly to d words until I saw dat guys comment saying it was not for users but d company, den I went back to read the tweet b4 for the words and then I checked Google to clearify, d op is d source of d confusion

Vianna:
Typical Nigerian thinking. Just jump into conclusions without proper research.

una too dey castigate una country self, ..is it only Nigerians who speculate without research, where do u think conspiracy theories like the 5g theory came from..must u always attribute every individual display of ingnorance to Nigeria or Africa, after we will be shouting black lives matter..nd by the way I don't see anything wrong with him speculating, it is done all over d world, not only in Nigeria

na una know oh ..whether 34 or 29.. oluwa burns is arguably Africa's most talented artiste presently ...happy birthday to the odowgu himself

Dtruthspeaker:
You spoke too soon

guy u get time oh only u dey argue with over 3 pepo, Bros stop to dey waste ur time dis pepo nor go ever agree with u, u self nor go ever agree with them..Bros save ur energy na insults una go throw give each other for here..

frank317:
This is why I said u are poor.. Hear u talking like a tout.
I will never meet u off line... If u see me off line, fear no go gree u talk to me, honestly.

guy u too make mouth...but meet offline u nor won gree, abeg no need to follow u talk again, u are not worth my time, u are only bold online..e dey pain me say u nor fit enter my trap offline

frank317:
Which God does billgate believe in? Has Bill Gate ever told u that he had faith in God or prayed to God that made him rich?

If I meet u one on one... I will mesmerize u until u see ur self as a fool.

guy check on Wikipedia or Google for bill gates religion or personal life ...and nor b to dey voltage for nairaland, make we meet for ground now, u go know say at a time for our life, na trouble we take dey eat.. ..I dey waf town ...if u ready to meet I fit give u location

frank317:
Guy leave that thing, u are poor.

Even if u have, u are not rich enough to say the wealth is gotten through the help of the creator... That's too not true.

At least Bill gates child is richer than u, yet his source is from his earthly father. How can u not be richer than him since ur source is from the creator. Do u guys even reason.

guy even the bill gates u are talking about believes in God oh.. I b say I nor won argue with u ...abeg guy bye bye ..una arguement nor dey finish..I m waiting for day I will meet sumbody like u face to face..make I cum see whether he go fit open mouth call me fool or mumu

frank317:
Yes of cause, I am pained by ur mumuness.

How do u call the situation u gave a testimony when u are still a poor man. Is ur God poor?

cum turn me to poor man na, since u won force me turn poor person by all means...or think say na everybody b like u, wey dey get audio money for nairaland..cum waf town if u won know how rich I be..

AsawanaDgreat:
yes oo, from effurun to be precised.

u b my blood b dat na,I be agbarho boy, na so warri boys get respect for God sha

AsawanaDgreat:
Make una no allow God vex oo

Bros is like u na from waf town

frank317:
The fool thinks God is blessing him better than the op because he has more faith than the op. In his mind he is more blessed than anyone who does not earn as much as him, but he does not know that he is indirectly saying everyone doing better then him is more blessed than him.

And this is the best his foolish God can do... Tell u to work hard and take the glory of ur hard work.

y e dey pain u like dis Bros... don't worry m not goi to give u dat attention again..u can call me fool all u like here, I am not worried because this is faceless forum where cowards show their strength..m tired of exchanging insults with pepo I don't know or might never meet..op knows I didn't underate his faith, I only gave my testimony on how I used faith to overcome my own struggles, but some haters don't want to hear anything concerning God, dey dere de form strong man for nairaland, I nor go answer u

frank317:
I just wanted to get ur points clear. Is believe in God basis for doind well? All these people plus u also hustle.... If God is involved, I am sure u will not even need to hustle. Imagine the creator of this world responding to ur needs, why do u have to work hard to make ends meet and at the end of the day u are just an average citizen, it makes not sense.
Except u guys accept the God u are worshiping is just an average being who is not as powerful as u make it.
I stopped praying since 2009 and today I am doing better than many of my Christian folks. I just was consistent in trying out things and applied wisdom the best way I could.
What u guys do is that u cal God all over the place and somehow u are still saying he is useless even without knowing it.
How can God help u and u are just an average citizen. As I am interacting with u, I can confidently say I am richer than u, this based on the way u are talking. What then is the use of this God?

richer than me ke ?...in ur dreams..abeg na nairaland we dey make we not start to dey fool ourselves..e get d kind of things wen I nor fit talk based on street levels....but like I said b4 u are looking for anoda useless round of arguement, and I am not going to give it to u..people like u for real life na ..una nor go fit cough for wen we dey...Bros abeg argue with urself...since u get money well nd u believe God is not a factor, y u nor go follow dangote argue ...oga audio billionaire

frank317:
So oluwa de bless u pass some people way hustle pass u? How rich are u pls? I have a feeling dangote no go see ur back

guy I dnt have time to start arguing useless arguments with u all over again...I have beta things to do than to start exchanging words with different athiests..check am self...even d dangote u used as a standard for wealth believes in God, go follow am argue say nor b Allah bless am...Nor b u I go start anoda round of arguement with after that guy

bigname23:
dey dere dey ask mumu question for there na?una wey claim say no spiritual powers or God,? men dey live life everyday onto one power or d oda, u dey nairaland dey ask mumu question..u nor know where ifa priests dem dey? op abeg follow who know road, there must b pepo around u who must have had similar issues in life ..ask dem how dey got solutions , nor dey follow advice of person wey nor know d reality of wetin u dey pass thru...

op anoda advice to u ..dis so called rubish has helped me in life alot, while growing up I didn't seek advice or direction, from d so called proffesors without proofs.. I followed those who had used thier intellect to b successful in one field or d other, and let me tell u sumtin sum of those so called proffesors are still in dat same area I grew up, all dey do is argue one irrelevant matter or d other, noting has changed till 2day ....their lives did not move a bit...they call themselves intellectuals but they can't apply their so called intellect in any field...follow who know road oh