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Ibime:
@ Biina,

By every measure MEND should not have the might to stand before Naija, but do you think anyone is willing to fight for Naija? Nigerians love to sabotage their own projects. Whilst Naija is fighting MEND, one military commander will be selling them weapons through the back door. . . . .MEND cannot defeat Naija, but they can fight them to a stalemate, no doubt.

Outside of indigenes of that area, nobody else will cooperate with MEND (or do you have any particular group in mind, definitely not the northerners). All such indigenes would be posted away from the area, and a battalion of mainly northerners and middle-belters  would likely be deployed.There will be no stale mate.

nuzo:
And you think the FG will be willing to take that option again?
A repeat of the Odi incident will bring nigeria to a total collapse.

and why will Nigeria collapse? If we were that sympathetic to the plight of others, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. 
If a war breaks out, MEND will be wiped out, along with heavy civilian casualties, and most Nigerians wouldn't loose sleep over it. The greedy foreign powers will also turn a blind eye to protect their oil interests.

Shortly after the Odi incident, the then Lt. Col Agbabiaka, became a colonel, and last I heard he was a Brigadier General, commanding 13 Amphibious Brigade in Calabar. I dont see any remorse on the part of the FG for the Odi incident.

Afaukwu:
Biina,

I suppose that River Niger crosses through Imo, albeit its tributary (around Oguta). The inclusion of Imo is right

Will they be dredging that segment as well? I thought it was going to be limited to the main channel.

A side thought is that I hope there are plans to beef up military presence along the river in the future.

asha 80:
Did biafra have the resources to fight when they did but sustained a war for 2+ years.Do not underestimate the power of self determination.

Do not compare Biafra to MEND. Biafra had enough military personnel, intel and installations, to take on the federal government, or do you think Ojukwu acted irrationally?

As per the Taliban, are they still governing Afghanistan? You can only hide under guerrilla tactics when your opponent is still wearing gloves. Take off the gloves and you will bow down to superior firepower and resources.

Without foreign aid, if the federal government goes all out, MEND will be no more in less than 6 months. Those who will survive would have to abscond from the area. The Odi incidence has already shown you how far the federal government can go.

Aside from military interests, Nigeria has no need for Nuclear energy.

asha 80:
Most of us are taking this thing lightly until it is blows up into full scale war.

MEND does not have the resources to take on the federal government in a full scale war. To worsen matter, the west would not intervene on their behalf, as they have made enemies of them
They should exercise caution, as it is a fine line between a militant pressure group and rebel forces.

The questionable participant is Imo

As talented and skillful as Okocha was (and I believe he is up there with the other greats in the department), his failing was his mental attitude to the game.

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=273446.msg3881147#msg3881147 date=1242595622]I'm sure I speak for all the "diaspora folks" as I humbly plead with friends and relatives in Nigeria to please stop flashing us.
For those of you who don't know what the term flashing means, let me explain it.
It's a situation where someone calls another on the phone and lets the phone ring once or twice then hangs up expecting you to call them back.
It is extremely annoying IMHO.
If you have something to say buy enough credit and say it.
Do you folks know how irritating it is to be woken up early in the morning by a phone call  or worse still disturbed as you're getting into a romantic mood only for the stupid phone to stop after the second  ring and repeat  20 mins later.
Stop flashing us,

I say make una stop the flashing

If you're expecting anything from a relative, flashing will make them change their minds.
This is a friendly piece of advice. [/quote]e be like say dem terminate one mood recently. madam osisi no go gree again 

a 472

I don't get what all the 'ooh! ahhh!!' is all about.
All will never agree on this issue, and trying to convince someone else of your opinion is likely a waste of time.
A man, who feels a woman needs to be able to cook, will not marry one that can't, and men that feel otherwise will accommodate women that can't cook.
For me cooking is much further down in my list, as there are more important characteristics that you need to possess.
To each his own.

michelin89:
I can't address any issue if he doesn't come to me directly. Besides I don't even see what the problem is.

The thread exceeded 100 pages so it was locked and a new one was opened.

Let him come here and tell me excatly what is bothering him about the change.

The same happened to the Igbo thread.

Isn't the primary purpose of this thread to bring issues to your notice?
Did you not read segoye2's posts, in which he stated his grievances, before deleting them?
If the answer to both questions is in the affirmative, then why does he require a re-post in this specific thread, if only to bring to your notice his grievance which you are already aware of.? Such a move is redundant in my opinion and does nothing towards addressing the issues raised.

Yet, if only to fulfill all righteousness, I will humor your request on his behalf.

The old 'If You Can Speak Yoruba, Talk It In Here!' was created by segoye2. It was locked by you (as it exceeded 100 pages), and a new one was opened in its place. The issue is that the new thread does not credit the creator of the original thread, as he deserves as the originator of the said topic, nor does it provide a link to the old thread, to which it is a follow up.

michelin89:
Let him come here.  Besides everything he posted there are offtopics and I must delete them.

To reiterate the same complaints that you are already aware of?
It would be more progressive for you to simply address the issues, and stopped playing tin god

tpiah:
I'm not interested in playing word games with you- I'm only showing you the flaws in your logic.

Your questions are very rhetorical, and highly mischievous as well. I dont believe in crying over spilt milk, which is what you're trying to do here with all this "soul searching" and head banging over why Lagos was made the capital. I pointed out before- the capital could have also been Kaduna but it was changed to Lagos for whatever reason which I could care less about.  You're also bent on ignoring most of what I wrote, simply in order to prolong the argument.

No place in civilization without a capital- every LGA or group of five villages anywhere in Nigeria has a capital. Anyone can start accusing others of not making their own village the seat of admininstration.


The civil war is relevant because it made people more tribalistic than before.

The capital wasnt moved to Abuja in order to spread development there- it was moved for security reasons, unless you heard otherwise. Development will follow anywhere a capital is. So if they decide to move the capital to a tiny village in Togo tomorrow, rest assured the place will also develop.

Calabar isnt the federal capital, yet the place has developed and is still developing. Lagos is no longer the capital, yet development is still going on there. Likewise Kano, and other places.

People can halt development through politically motivated violence and rioting, but they rarely stop it completely.

If you had a choice between developing various places, wouldnt you perform a risk assessment and put your money where you're more likely to get secured returns.

I'm not saying you're not right about capitals being developed- however, blaming lagos for the underdevelopment in Nigeria as a whole, is rather extreme. Especially given the fact that Lagos itself was struggling with a huge burden of poverty, and overwhelmed by beggars, trash heaps and destitute people living under bridges. Its only recently that the govt has been trying to find a solution to these social problems, and under a heavy barrage of curses and criticism as well.

Point was never about why  Lagos was chosen as the capital, or why it was moved to Abuja. Nor did I say Lagos was responsible for all the problems of Nigeria. I only commented that the movement of the capital to Abuja allowed for the spreading of development, and that development being spread out was good for the nation. A flaw in my logic would mean that moving the capital to Abuja was a bad move or that concentrated development is better than distributed.

If you cannot but associate tribal sentiments with everything, or feel every comment/opinion is racially motivated,  then you are on your own, as I do not see why you keep trying to reduce the discussion to a tribal issue.

Anyways, since you accuse of intentionally prolonging the discussion, this would be my last response to you. It obviously pointless, if all I have said to clarify my position have only fallen on deaf ears.

You are free to believe what you may. Have a nice week

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=273399.msg3880888#msg3880888 date=1242589715]I understand what you are saying but what about the govt owning an equitable share in the project + a few public shares so as to cut the wings of major investors if eventually they want to get smart with us. In America, they also build dual roads, the freeway is privately owned and tolls are charged while the feeder is open to the public only that it has traffic lights everywhere. That is a more expensive project but honestly, if they can privatise lagos-Benin and Benin Onitsha expressway, many people wouldn't mind.[/quote]It is a delicate situation that if badly managed can result in a few individuals, who have acquired their wealth by corrupt means, further holding the populace to ransom.

The road network in the US is well developed, and the private interest serves only to complement the efforts of the government. It is usually possible to avoid paying tolls in the US at the expense of heavier traffic or a longer route. This is not the case in Nigeria. Take for instance the Lagos-Benin Road, if you cannot afford the toll, which route do yo take?

Butcher

How many people u wan capture in one painting?

a 470

Please attend to segoye2's complaint in this thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-226848.736.html

The word Yoruba is the suppressed for of ni igba ti meaning 'at the time' or when. It was initially associated with the people of Ibadan who used it heavily as a segway in conversation.

Calling the Yorubas 'Yoruba people' is similar to calling one from the east 'Omo Nna' (which is funny since omo means child in Yoruba, and Nna means father in Igbo, resulting in the transliteration 'Child of father'.

I don't see either as being derogatory, as the aim is not to belittle the subject, but rather simply describing someone of a foreign language by a high frequency word from their vocabulary.

I think the use will likely date back to sometime between colonization and independence.

FL Gators:
[quote author=sistawoman link=topic=247934.msg3863589#msg3863589 date=1242238267]Translate Me Loluwa wi Yoruba

Thanks

@sistawoman
That's Ekiti Yoruba.

Means: I cannot question God, whatever he says goes.

Can be used in a resigned tone like as "I give up" [/quote]It is also used colloquially to refer to Islam's support for marrying up to four wives, since Me is a prefix to the non-singular digits i.e. one = ookan; as opposed to two = Meji ; three = Meta; four = Merin;
Me ni Olorun wi could mean 'God said I could marry up to four wives'

a 468

We shouldn't create bigger problems in a bid to avoid solving the existing problems.

Its funny how people are quick to count the past military governments  as part of the dominance of the north, but never count Aguyi Ironsi in favor of the east.
I think we should exclude all military regimes from the discussion, as their rule was not of choice. Irrespective of origin, if you could execute your coup successfully, you would become head of state (and if you failed . . . .)

With that in mind, we have had four civilian presidents: two northerners and two southerners. That is far from an imbalance.

Still, like others have said, what we need is a man that can do the job. The earlier we stop thinking of ourselves in terms of ethnicity or tribe, and instead think as a nation, the faster we would head in the right direction. Tribal sentiments has brought us nothing but misery and failure.

That was where we started off that led us down the current path. It would only be a recipe for the country degenerating into a full blown civil war.
What we really need is a means to blur the ethnic lines.

tpiah:
as usual, you missed my point entirely.

I see no reason why Lagos should take the blame for what you're calling the underdevelopment of the rest of the country. You're also ignoring the fact that there was a civil war which is still being fought today.

People should hold their state govts accountable for any development or lack of it thereof.

You may also want to check this thread where someone is complaining about the flyovers being planned for his state

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-273315.0.html

Check wirinet's post here and note the bolded. Lagos didnt prevent anybody from developing their area. If Lagos happened to be more cosmopolitan in your opinion, than everywhere else, then look at the geography of the region in order to draw an informed conclusion.

You did not answer the questions that could help clarify your views, and then found me guilty of misunderstanding you - ironic in the least.

I do not blame Lagos for the lack of development of other cities, but its choice as a federal capital didn't help the others either. Again, all I said was that moving the capital away from Lagos was beneficial to the development of others, that does not equate to saying that it was entirely responsible for their lack of development.

The two most developed cities in Nigeria are Lagos and Abuja; a coincidence that both were/are seats of the federal government? I think not. In the highly centralized military governments we have had in Nigeria, the bulk of public expenditure is done at the federal government level and minimal funds and discretion are available at the state and local government level. The level of development of Abuja defeats your argument that "If Lagos happened to be more cosmopolitan in your opinion, than everywhere else, then look at the geography of the region in order to draw an informed conclusion". Abuja was less developed than all the other major cities before it became the capital and the geography of the region has been unchanged. After becoming the FCT, it is now second to only Lagos in development. Should we look at the geography of Abuja to draw 'informed' conclusions? 

Abuja and Lagos are littered with federal government projects that have been highly beneficial to their developments: the international airports, the national theater and the festac accommodation; low cost government housing, etc. A prime example of the influx of funds the capital city receives is the current $1.7B proposed project to convert an 8-lane road to 10 lanes, when there are other cities in Nigeria that need good highways for effective interconnections.

I don't see the relevance of the civil war to the discussion. Lagos was the capital before the civil war. The growth of every other city in the different regions of Nigeria (Ibadan, Enugu, Port Harcourt, Kaduna, etc) has paled in comparison to Lagos, or is the civil war responsible for the slow growth of Ibadan. I am not saying Lagos wouldn't have developed if it wasn't the capital city. On the contrary, Lagos would have likely developed well on its own given its position as a terminus city (as this more relevant than the geography).

Moving the federal capital to Abuja help spread the development. If you disagree with the last statement, you can give your reasons, otherwise I don't see the point in continuing this discourse.

ibkaye:
*raising eyebrow*

funny, but too young

Isn't that suppose to be my line

gabrywyl:
I didnt know u like Chinko.   

I be EOE, Equal Opportunity Employer
No discriminating, nah everythin I dey chop!

who no like betta thin? You see fine gal, dey ask me if go fit date am.
No be only date, I go marry am sef (if no be for that im bobo)
I be gentle man, so I go sam pam, dey wait my chance

gabrywyl:
Dont speak too soon jor. . . . We are not even engage and anything can happen oo 

Am fine as long as your new interest is also a Nigerian. Any other nationality will not be acceptable.
After all, what more could you possibly want: ile wa dun, oko lo n foso; oko lo n da ina; oko lo n we omo ( we are quite hospitable, as the husband does the laundry, cooking and takes care of the baby) so you wont have to lift a finger
Nobody else can beat that.

@topic
How many hearts did you harvest for ur pic?

hey! psssst psssssssst
ah! yellow pawpaw, come hia, make I follow you talk,
dey do like say you no dey hear, dey continue dey walk
aha! o de n po, kilo n se gan?
wa nibi, iwo ni mo n ba soro.
because I dey stand for road, do you know who I am?
I will take care of you, come and take my hand,
forget Iyale, u go be iyawo,
I want to marry you, you no go fit bawo?
Obasanjo na my friendi, I get money,
na girls I get, na boy you go born for me
eh, ma da lohun, a pada wa nibi
shakara oloje ni

gabrywyl:
      How come you say that?   

cos u r dating a Nigerian  and that makes you iyawo wa
toldya there is no way ur r getting off this hook