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You can't become a king in another man's kingdom without his permission.
The traditional title falls under the jurisdiction of the state government, subject to the exception of the federal.
The state government consulting them would be an act of courtesy on the part of the government, as I doubt the government was consulted before the creation of the titles.
If they feel they have a genuine case, they should take their issues to the court of law.

[quote author=TOPE2000! link=topic=274755.msg3904290#msg3904290 date=1242944179]Boy . . . . .u shud go look it
its shouldnt not should dear [/quote]I think Cold is right:
1. He should break it for nobody.
2. He shouldn't break it for anybody.

That being said, you are both correct in the use of 'dear', so please carry on

It seems when a thread exceeds 100 pages, the mods are required to lock the existing thread and recreate a new one. In the process of creating the new thread I believe the old thread should be carried along in the first post of the new thread. Not doing so is simply plagiarism, and should be discouraged at all levels.

A simple reference to the originator of the thread and providing a link(s) to the old thread(s) should suffice. For example


This is a continuation of the <'thread title'> thread created by <original thread starter> .
The old thread(s) is/are available at (in chronological order)

1. http ://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-xxxxxx.html
2. http ://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-xxxxxx.html
3. http ://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-xxxxxx.html



This would also help provide relevant information to the participants of the new thread.

A lack of an established process has led to the current unattended grievances of a user in the culture section (please see https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-231979.0.html).

I would like the admin to put in place a best practice recommendation to address the issue and if possible have it retroacted upon in affected threads. 

We need to respect the intellectual properties and contributions of others, no matter how trivial the idea may look in hindsight.

Outstrip:
His wife s due around the same time. Nobody on earth knows for sure exactly when they will deliver unless it's a scheduled C section and that is even if the baby does not come before then. I had my first child 1 week before his due date and I was not in labor for 24 hours. I only pushed for 1 hour and the baby was here. So you cannot say that the wife's wishes should be ignored for the best friends wishes to be a best man because she might be in labor for more than a day. If he had a job appointment I would not say that he should not go. I don't even know how you can equate a job that he must go to to traveling for pleasure.

I am not saying he should ignore his wife's wishes just because his friend made a request, nor am I supporting him ignoring his friends wishes all because his wife has a conflicting desire. He should simply weigh the pros and cons of his choices and decide. I had earlier given my opinion in that I would try to eat my cake and have it, by going to the wedding.

What I do have an issue with is people trying to make him guilty for going to his friends wedding. For example

Gadols:
my brother, we are talking about your WIFE AND CHILD here.
Whats the matter with you? Pls stay with your wife. She needs you just the way
your friend needs his bride to be at his wedding. I bet you, your absence isnt gonna get the wedding postponed.
Be a man that you are.

Gadols was simply exaggerating things and blurring the facts. His going to his friend's wedding wouldn't make him any less a man. Nobody here knows what kind (if any) sacrifices he has required from his friend in the past, and thus it is not always right to just brush his friends wishes aside. Statement like "Whats the matter with you?" or "Be a man that you are.' are simply trying to make the guy feel guilty in order to back him in to the choice they prefer.

Outstrip:
What does sentiments mean abeg. Please biina educate me on what it means. Sentiment to me is going to your best friends wedding to be his best man while your wife is about to give birth. Being there when your wife is going to give birth rather than going to a wedding is responsibility. Every man and woman is different. Maybe for you it is no big deal but the poster has said here that his wife says he should not go so it is important that he be there when the baby is born.
He does not have to be there to pull the baby out of the birth canal but she might need her husband for support so who in the world is the best man to give him  to be at the wedding and risk missing the birth of his child. It might not be a big deal to the best man but it is a big deal to the wife and that is all that matters. He cannot disregard his wife's request which by the way is not unreasonable for a selfish request from a best friend.

Sentiments is judgment based on feelings.

You sound sure that the baby would be born on the day of the wedding?
If it was a job assignment, would you ask him to quit as well?

A few posters made it seem like if his attendance to the wedding guaranteed him missing the birth of his child or that because his wife has wishes he should have no regards for his friend's. All that is being sentimental in my opinion.

I am always skeptical of judging one solely on the narration of another. Kola is obviously not here to defend himself.

That aside, I believe all is free and fair in love and war. I 'm sympathetic to your plight (if all you said is true) but you made your choices and he made his; both parties are responsible for how things turned out. Learn from the experience and move on.

As long as you are clear on what you are getting into, there should be no wahala.

chaircover:
All this should have been ironed out a long time ago.

Being a first child, generally speaking I doubt your wife's waters will break, start labour & have the baby all in less than 24 hours unless there is an emergency in which case its out of your hands anyway. Are you saying that the EDD falls on the wedding day? I personally dont know of anyone who had her baby on the exact EDD but I am sure that it does happen.

The only thing I can advise is for the groom to get a stand by best man in case you cant make it- I am sure he can ask one of the grooms men to standin in an emergency.

Personally I would say go but make sure and I repeat make sure she has access to a car, driver, plenty of money and at least 2 older responsible women who can take care of her if she does go into labour during your trip.

As God may have it you may even end up having the baby before the wedding so your friend will have to find someone else anyway. At least you tried.

I wish you all the best on the birth of your new baby.

I was beginning to wonder as to what the topic of discussion was, given the earlier posts that seem to be solely based on sentiments.

@poster
what are you referring to as financial troubles: not earning enough or living above your means

[quote author=Tùdor link=topic=271652.msg3903008#msg3903008 date=1242928347]Its not their fault.islam is fundamentally a barbaric and savage religion.they've refused to move foward and reform. They see every form of reform as western influence. This is sheer narrow mindedness.[/quote]Nor do you seem like the epitome of civility.

michelin89:
Whatever blina, I am no more interested in this matter.

I am very upset with him.

Its disappointing that segoye2's posts have not been too cordial (though your responses also didn't help). Hopefully both sides would be willing to exchange apologies and move on.

Thanks for the edit to the new thread. Additionally, a link to the old thread would be appreciated.

I hope this grows to be part of the process of recreating threads in the future, as it would be a shame to revisit this issue every time another user has similar grievances.

michelin89:
@ segoye

I went through your posts and found out that for the past year you have never posted anything on that thread. And the new thread was created 5 months ago but it's now you have realized your rights have been usurped.

I feel all this while you have been making fun of me because I am not here to play and I take this moderating very seriously. So as for me you had no right to claim ownership over a thread you have neglected for the past one year.

It's the same thing about parents. You don't give birth to a child, abandon him and then come back years later to claim he is yours. Give birth, grow and nurture. And with this I am through.

I even regret taking your request into consideration.

His rights are for starting the thread, and he does not need to participate in the thread to ensure those rights. Even if he passes away, his intellectual rights should not be violated. After all, you would not say Newton or any other past scientist do not have rights to their scientific contributions, simply because they did not utilize those laws themselves or failed to teach it to others.

I am a bit perplexed to the reasons why this issue is yet to be resolved. You say that your intention was not to abduct segoye2's brain child, and yet you are reluctant to edit the first post with the appropriate references. Rather, you have decided to place the issue at the doorstep of the admin. The fact that the issue at hand is a common practice is quite saddening, as it doesn't speak well to values of the admin, mods, and general users on NL, and in turn reflects badly on the Nigerian populace.

The new thread as it is, is (intentional or not) simply an act of plagiarism. If you disagree with that statement, the followup test questions are simply
1. whose idea was the original thread?
2. Has due credit been given to him in the new thread?
The honest answers to these questions would verify the earlier statement.

As a person, I really don't care about the thread. What I am interested in is improving the norms and practices of NL and the Nigerian society. It behooves one who knows to educate those that don't, cause if there is no law, then there is no sin. Plagiarism should be shunned in all forms.

tpiah:
Many bloody battles have been fought over Hausas and other tribes, here.

If you do an in depth NL search, you will weep for being Nigerian.

Right now is Yoruba bashing time. After a while, the pendulum will swing to another tribe.

No name and insult people wont throw at each other in the belief they're superior to everything in the cosmos!


Racism is a disease!

Incorrect - Racism is an infectious and terminal disease.
Racists should be quarantined as early as possible, before they infect others.

Outstrip:
Did you know the girl? How can you ask permission to dance with another man's woman and he says okay. What kind of water are y'all drinking

I suspect Sapele water! 

Nope. It would only encourage the bad habit.

Natural looks are overrated. Its more about the entire package and its presentation. I have met some good looking girls that feel that that is all they need to have, but I am sorry, of what use is your looks to me, if you don't have the character and/or  intellect to complement it.

sounds like the guy has issues with not finding her attractive, and less of it is about she being his cousin

Na Lagos God dey, the rest na holy spirit.

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=274291.msg3899133#msg3899133 date=1242874239]1. Even if they pass it later, the school will still withdraw their bachelors degree if discovered. FUTO I know for sure verifies your SSCE results during your stay in the school and if they discover anything, you are off the boat. They don't normally do it until two years after your matriculation and few in our set left that way. So I don't know how this guy beat his own.

2. As soon as they finish computing your result and give you the go ahead for NYSC, every other crime hidden in your file is history. How will they discover it when you've gone?. The chances are close to zero.[/quote]Because some one who has an axe to grind can bring it to the school's attention.
I know of a case at one of the first generation federal universities - the BS was withdrawn, the MS and PhD were withdrawn by the associated  foreign university, and the individual lost his job.
The event was triggered by a letter from his classmate (and possibly close friend, given the level of information he provided) to the school senate almost 15yrs after the incidence.
I agree that passing the SSCE after the fact does not safeguard them against prosecution. The degree belongs to the university.

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=274291.msg3899115#msg3899115 date=1242873540]If they were able to avert the exam until they graduated from the university, why are they worrying themselves about it again?. No employer of graduate school requires S.S.C.E. You only need SSCe to enter and graduate from the university and if the university graduate you without it, you are off the hook.[/quote]If it was discovered, it is enough grounds to withdraw the bachelors degree.

The airport will attract traffic from cities that have no other alternatives. The airport in Akwa ibom will not attract traffic destined for calabar nor port harcourt.
Aside from the skeletal staff, all other employment or business opportunities that would arise would depends on the level of activity of the airport.
A more inland location inwards of the aba-eket-uyo triangle would have been my preferred location (as those, I feel, are the key cities that would generate the traffic)

For the region, I would prefer a high speed rail (200km/hr+) connection from calabar to uyo onto port harcourt, aba, (possibly ikot ekpene) and eket, making uyo a sort of hub and bringing more commerce to the area. That for me is a better investment in the transport sector, than the airport

mikeansy:
but is this not the case that we live in an age when spelling dont matter so much anymore . . . . . with all the auto-correct in MS Word people can concentrate on other things

I assume this as a joke

@SapeleGuy
Do you have any information on the investment group involved in the BOT for the Asaba airport? as all info I have seen seem to point to the state government footing the bill, and possibly ULO getting a BOT deal for their effort.

SapeleGuy:
As I said previously don't make us take panadol because Korea has a headache.

These projects (Asaba International Airport) are implemented on the build, operate and transfer (BOT) model with a private developer who will be given a concession of 15-25 years to recoup their cost (This was also the finance model for the Lagos Domestic Airport). This means that if the project is not viable the developer takes the hit and not government.

Biina, Debosky and co your concern that funds should be spent judiciously is proper and perhaps patriotic? but those sentiments are misplaced on this occasion.  

I am sure there will be other opportunities to spread more well meaning but erroneous theories.

So who is paying for the construction of the airport? Private investors or public funds or a mix.
All public funds should be judiciously allocated. Unless there are no public funds involved, such concerns are well placed.

AjaraEwuro:
why not? @Biina - what will you do instead

1Health and Education. Build and equip schools and hospitals.
2. Power : Find way to support efforts of phcn to provide predictable power to the communities
3. Water : Delivering pipe borne water to both urban and rural areas
4. Agriculture: Invest in mechanization of the sector
5. Transport: Improved Road and Rail infrastructure e.g. Partnership between Ogun-Lagos for bullet train to deliver people to the island, which would in turn increase the value of real estate in ogun state and attract higher income settlers and subsequent development or improving drainge systems to help the maintenance of roads.

These may not be the best investments, but I will argue they are more beneficial to the populace than a airport.

If you are the governor of Akwa-Ibom/Ogun/Delta and you had $300M at your disposal, which project(s) would you embark upon?Building an airport?

sistawoman:
no

Not telling him and keeping a secret is two different things.

I would never keep a secret from hubby but there are some things that are not shared.

That is quite confusing so whats the difference?