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Ok then I will be plain

Intending couple sex is a sin as they are not married yet according to the bible and quran

Imanuelle: if it's not a sin , then it's not.
frowned upon or not !

Er... Erm..This is frowned upon as the intending may not materialise

I can be intending for 10 years naaa

vivianc: S..ex beTween bf and gf is a sin, between intending couple is noT a sin.

So far I don't see any mass justification

All I see is real people trying to discuss a real issue


Sexxual frustration among married couples is no joke

I'm sure your married friends will tell you if you ask

alutacontinua: Stop encouraging pre-marital sex since you know it's wrong! Doing so is like saying even though I know God is not happy with this thing but I...say you can do it! Now, for a good Christian, is that right?

Amin to you on that
Some posters on this forum, if they really are half of their online personas will have splendid qualities as a helpmate




But in the old days..it was a sin to be poor

Have you read the lion and the jewel or Dvaid vs Uriah:The Bathsheba Chronicles

Carius: ;Dthis guy no go kill me with laugh...the good book says we shouldn't covet another man's wife;ain't going against that.Just praying for their attributes in a wife..DAZ ALL

I believe we are all adults on this thread and no where was the act justified

Only one person said she was aware and got pregnant moreover with her current husband who had committed to her and she was clear that that was her own decision


No one justified it as not a sin
Some even said they've asked for forgiveness from the divine Father

Will you ask for forgiveness for something you believe is not a sin

Don't forget the heat got raised up when donchris and magma came up

Bellong made his points calmly


What's your point if I may ask

alutacontinua: So, why are we now justifying it?
Why are we giving a million and one reasons why we should do it? If we made mistakes, ain't the purpose of Christ's death to remit our sins? Even in the bible, peole sinned for whatsoever reason they had eg. David but that didn't make him to tell Solomon to also go into that sin afterall he also made the same mistake. If you fell and you have made your ways right, dt's great but don't convince the world that what you did was right or that others should gladly go in your footsteps.

Erm ... Erm .. I caant fit but I can recommend a customisable wifey

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2171364/Miku-girlfriend-Lonely-gamer-creates-virtual-girlfriend-reacts-stroke-cuddle-resists-advances.html

The days of yore when a man could legitimately chance the wife of a man he was richer than are gone

Look foward or to the virtual realm for ya own

Carius: My bro please join your faith with mine...cos i prayed with faith,i believe Oluwa would answer me.

The bible says his word will change for no one

alutacontinua: Do you believe God would change that for any reason whatsoever eg. Test-driving, my flesh pushed me, everybody is doing it, i did it myself, my pastor also did it etc?

@aluta

According to the tenets of judaism, christainity and islam it is a sin

So carry on

What's the next question

Carius carius carius. How many times did I call you

Choi choi.. Other people's squeezes

More retirements aside azarenka

John isner

Marian Cilic


And wait for it...















Steven Darcis- the shark that beat Nadal

Sad but I have to agree with krafty on this

The showdown between a dilapidated kakashi and supposedly great tobito was this !

Good move for the edo rinne

So obito will know madmara takes no prisoners

Madam are u saying that DLBC never at any point in time frowned against use of western medicine...

OlowoTee: Biolaaaaa!
Who told you we don't use drugs? Wrong information ni yen o. Like I said, all churches have their principles. Jehovah Witness don't accept blood donations, Faith Apostolic don't use drugs, etc

No thousands of people have been excommunicated. I have been in that church for more than thirty years and really I cannot remember anyone who was excommunicated! I am not disputing the fact that some were, however, this is to tell you that they must be SO few! And they must have been excommunicated for some reaaally grievous sins.

seems a40 just wants to stick to his POV....


Nadal has a better head to head than Fed...
he is better yay!

if there are more important matters than these.. what of the thousands of people excommunicated for not following church doctrines, not using drugs and have died off from no medication,

OlowoTee: Bukatyne
Let it go..
Let this slip..off.

It's no point going forth and back on this issue. Atleast, for the sake of the father of John. I beg, drop off those analysis. What matters most is getting to heaven on the last day. Every church got their principles which are set up to guard their members towards getting it right with God. Respect DL view, which might be so different from others. However, it does not mean that those outside DL cannot still worship God in truth and in spirit. Every church got her governing body and constitutions, but that of Christ is foundational.


For the love of Christ, there are more important things to think about and to do. Such as reaching out to others, burning out for God. People need the LORD...Let us not allow the enemy to fill out heart with bitterness, sprewing things that are not upright. Let this argument go..oti sun mi. LOL.

God bless you. Shalom

sholay2011: Azarenka has pulled out of 2013 Wimbledon due to the injury she had while playing in first round.

wooo... i never really was a fan especially after that medical break stunt she pulled
cheat...

Youve killed it

should we start on the other things banned by the DL

Use of no drugs, no TV,

Do you know how many people have died because using of drugs is frowned upon

bukatyne: You are not getting the point or closing your eyes to it. Some Deeper lifers said dressing outside the usual mode of DL dressing is wrong and sinful. Someone even tried to analyse the bride's dressing 'no mascara, no powder, no lipstick' etc. meaning the poster feels those things are wrong. You and co are saying that these things are allowed per location hence the talk of holiness. This means that if a DLer like 'the friend of the bride' relocates to a branch where Love's dressing is deemed modest, she will believe the members have 'backslidden' or 'not born again'.

There are generally two issues on this thread:

1. Non DLers: Is this not hypocritical, would any random member be allowed to dress like this? FYI, we do not see her dressing as wrong. e.g. bukatyne;

2. DLers: There are two schools of thought.

i. Different dressing are allowed in various parishes or areas e.g. image123 etc.;

ii. All DLers dress alike and Love must have backslidden/ not born again/ not married in DL etc. e.g. Olowotee etc. An extreme view is the pictures were photoshopped to cause controversy e.g. friend of the bride

@muta it is thinking like that fuels the poverty cycle we have nowadays

People with meagre resources having kids on the swing hoping that one of them will lift them out of poverty or that they come from heaven with their own riches

This is not 100 years ago when infant mortality was high or when kids became economic resources at the age of 8 helping to farm

Nowadays kids dont start yielding fruit until their 20s and some still require parental support till their 30s or to start that business or first downpayment for a home

Nigeria is predicted to be the 3rd populous nation by 2100

What is the usefulness of the population

"By 2050, Nigeria will be the country which is the single largest contributor to population growth globally, and it will be contributing a fifth of all population growth of the world by that point," says Sarah Walters, a demographer from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

Nigeria currently accounts for 13% of Africa's total population, but this figure is expected to rise to 17.5% by 2050 and 22% by 2100. Its population will grow over this period from 174 million to an estimated 440 million at mid-century, and 914 million at the end of the century - by which time it will be catching up with China.

It's a case of tomorrow's story being written today, says Sarah Walters.

"The reason Africa is projected to grow so much more significantly than anywhere else is because of the very high levels of current fertility and the projected trend fertility."

Today, the total fertility rate is 4.7, whereas in each of the other continents it is at around two - population replacement level .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23030403

i dont know when the arsenal thread became a linguistic utopia

In FOOTBALL related issues,

Teves is on his way to Juventus
I fear Citeh will hijack the potential Higo deal as they need a striker

I like your forthrightness

vivianc: Well, Thank God for her o, but for me I haven'T seen. The people I see actually do one form of thing or The oTher. And iTs worse in The church!
I used to sing into the church, buT The reason I stopped singing is this; wearing a sleeveless shirt, noT spag o was prohibiTed, in fact, if u dare u will be treaTed like a shi...t buT wiThin them They were fuc...king each oTher, The congregations were noT lefT out o, and They would mount the pulpiT in The morning? Wow! When I couldn't cope and I had a bf, I sTopped singing. Cos I can't smooch my bf all night and mounT The pulpiT, was scared God will strike me there. I really hate hypocrisy.
My former colleague won't let us hear in the sTaff bus, early morning o, when u will be busy thhinking about ur life, preaching don start. If u don't listen to his preaching, u are a devil. Yet he smooches his gf, infacT, the babe's laps was his wallpaper.

My course mate is a pasTor, Turned our deparTmenT inTo a mini church buT he is the firsT person thaT would sort every course.

Then, one of Them came To ask for my hand in marriage. He told me no se..x before marriage and I said super. Whenever I went to visit him, I dare noT spend The nighT, I would either lodge in a hotel or come back home. BuT he kept on sexting me which I hated. The conTents of The TexT messages were so raw That I couldn't leave them in my inbox, neiTher did I reply. One day I called him to order, told him I didn't appreciate such Texts and what the hell happened to "no se..x?" He ran away since Then, never heard from him again, till today. He said he couldn't stand my guTs *whatever ThaT means*

So AluTa, say for urself ok? In as much as we try to portray ourselves as gooder persons or whaTever, the quesTion is: who are we when no one is watching? How many of us actually follow The bible To the letTer? We are humans, we are noT infallible, buT honesTly, from whhat These my 2 small eyes have seen? Nne forgeT that thing biko.

The bible says in Matt 5. 28 (KJV)

"28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

I believe a woman here is a female one is not married to...

stillwater: Is it possible not to lust over someone you are about to marry? Me I have a hyperactive mind o. Why am I marrying him if I don't feel an attractive pull towards him? . My boo must lust over me and vice versa.

this is neymars second test

he failed the first one last year at the olympics - loss to mex

Lets see how this goes

i think Uruguay will post a shocker

bukatyne: I don't understand why some deeper lifers are trying so hard to explain away these pictures. I have read funny points like:

The groom might not be born again
The father might nt have approved
There are different standards of dressing etc.

We all know that other members will never be allowed to wear this. For those saying that they have different standard of dressing across board, does it mean some parishes are holier than others or is there classic and modern parishes? Most dl members have painted the picture that people dressed apart from their way is a sinner. So where is the talk of different standards coming from?

There is no need to explain anything. The couple have wedded the way they like. We pray these privileges is extended to all members so we stop seeing weddings like funeral ceremonies and couples looking like chief mourners.

nice one... Why the DL members are justifying the wedding and then saying Kumuyi is a holy man beats me

I agree with you and as CC has said where does testing stop

Do you test a child will live long enough before you send him to Harvard

Do you test the exam questions before you do it so you will be sure you will pass

Do you test illness to be sure your wife will not leave you in times of trials n tribulation


Faith is key..


May God help us


PS It is a hard teaching but faith need but be as small as a mustard seed

bellong: The bolded is what I have been trying to explain and not whether somebody did it or not. Like I said earlier on, from Christian perspective, having a relationship with God is paramount in any thing we do. The relationship and guide we get from Him in our daily lives does not exclude the issue of marriage and intimacy in marriage.

The easiest way to know is to be sincere and ask questions from God. He is the maker of the person in question, He has his manual and plans for life. He will reveal everything in darkness. The spirit of God can search the inward part of the belly to expose every hidden things. I have tested that on many issues of life including marriage without intervention of any pastor.
Thank you

nice one @bellong... i guess the issue came when some posters became too extreme in defence of their line of thought.. both parties in ths case

Some constants have been laid out

Pre Marital sex is wrong .. how can we obey divine injunction and still meet with avoidance of potential issues

Nice post but could you answer bettymafy question

bellong: I do not understand the bolded. However, I gave an example from my personal experience which is true for all if done the right way. I am not misguiding anyone. It would be better if you point out the grey areas confusing to you.

In between, thanks for the compliments.

bettymafy: Bellong and others who said they married without testing, I have a question for u and please answer sincerely. . . Did u "touch/smooch" or kiss your partner before the wedding? Did u even as much as lust after him/her? .

I am also waiting for the perfect man or woman who did not jerk off or do fricky tongue or azz ish since everyone here is supposedly hypocritical

Hahaha

freakcin: Any human capable of abstaining from the bolded should not waste time dwelling with us sinners! Such being should be in heaven amongst saints and angels!

Morning all please no trolling this thread

I love the sound logic and emotive faith espoused by each camp

Please let there be peace

Coogar!... You are a don
Your retorts should be cataloged in a tome

@efe.. Good comportment under the assaults, both subtle and overt
I love the riposte on lack of data on the success of marriages


The elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge is that there is a lot of sexxual frustration especially among the abstinence folk

The other side is that going up and down and getting punny mileage is undesirable

And this is the gbege...


@osisi Excellent moderating

May God help us all

nice shot ... passing shot

Wow.. The man seized his salvation

What about the lady

Can't this syndrome be surgically treated

greatgod2012: chai!
Mrs efe, you want me to talk and i didnt want to talk before o, chai!

With all sincerity, i have seen and heard about 2-3 cases where things fell apart after marriage se..xua.lly.

Let me start like this, before i got married, i was attending a penticostal church(name withheld), of which i was the youth president and anyone in such a position is automatically anointed as a functioning associate pastor, lol, ok, by the virtue of that position i held in that church(writing this with all humility)im automatically one of the workers and coincidentally too, i was a member of marriage counsellor of the church then, though i wasnt married, but i was thought to be a little bit intelligent, hence, my appointment.
Ok, fastforward, there was this brother who we all knew was a stunch christian to the core, he got engaged with this lady,(not our church member), brought her to the pastor, the pastor prayed for them and approved of their dating relationship, no need saying, they didnt "testdrive"(op's slang) fastforward, they got married, a real xtian wedding, lol, but after about 3 weeks, the bro came back to meet the pastor, our pastor travelled out of the country then, so he went to see the A.P, who said this is beyond him, that he will have to call the meeting of pastors and A. Ps, of which i was a member, guess what happened to our bro, the sister didnt allow the bro down there, they struggled for it for about 3 weeks, after which the bro decided to go violent about it, only to discover that the sis was a "lakriboto(i dont know the name, but its a va..gina without opening), the bro said he nearly fainted, and all that came to his head then was to come to the pastor.
The issue was so tense then, the S.P came back to profer a solution, because we couldnt profer any solution, and the solution the S.P suggested was that, the lady could be operated on, the bro insisted that he would like to divorce the lady on the basis of deception, but our S.P insisted that divorce is against God's will, you know what the bro left home for the sis without telling anybody his plans nor his whereabout and that was how we didnt hear anything about the bro again, until last year when i heard that the bro ran to PH and he had even remarried another woman and hes now a proud father of 2 kids.

Now, im not saying faith is not good, but we have a bunch of hypocrites out there who make faith diffficult for us to practise fully.
May God have mercy on all of us.
P.S, in my next post, i have another example, keep in touch.

@a40 there is only one king

Masters and atps don't count

36 grand slam semi finals no be beans

Highest career earnings ever

Highest no of weeks at no 1

His backhand is unmatched - one handed!

Long live the King

damn i hate ashur setting up spartacus in the mines