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brocab:
My version is on the net.

LOL........no comment

johnw74:
You believe a mere man, and u don't believe God:

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

All you have just quoted and said still supports the popes motion that christ died for all, including atheist.

johnw74:
u sure r confused, and like i said:

u don't believe God:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The catholic belief has never been that our good works lead to our salvation. The catholic belief is:

We are saved by grace,
which comes through faith
which is brought to life by good works
and those are brought about by christian love and charity

johnw74:
not the roman catholic church, u r blinded:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

LOL...BECAUSE I DONT SHARE THE SAME IDEOLOGY AND BELIEF AS YOU, I AM BLINDED...WOW...CLASSIC.
Bible Verses About the ‘One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church’

…The Church is One

John 10:16: Jesus prophesies that “there shall be one fold and one shepherd.”
John 17:17-23: Jesus prays that his followers “may be one as we are one,” and “may be brought to perfection as one.”
Ephesians 4:4-6: “ There is one body, one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God and Father of us all…”
1 Corinthians 1:10: “I appeal to you… that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.”
Romans 16:17: “take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties”
Philippians 2:2: be “…of same the mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.”
Romans 12:5: “so we, who are many, are one body in Christ…”
1 Corinthians 12:13: “…by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body…”
Colossians 3:15: “Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in the one body.”
…The Church is Holy

1 Timothy 3:15: “…know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.”
Colossians 1:18: “And he [Jesus] is the head of the body, the church…”
1 Peter 2:9-10: “But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God… Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God…”
Ephesians 2:19-22: “Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.”
…The Church is Catholic (‘universal’ & ‘of the fullness’)

Matthew 28:18-20: “And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Mark 16:15-16: “And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.'”
John 14:26: “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.”
John 16:12-13: “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.”
…The Church is Apostolic

Ephesians 2:19-20: “… but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,”
Matthew 16:18-10: “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Luke 22:28-30: “You [the apostles] are those who have continued with me in my trials; and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
John 15:16: “You [the apostles] did not choose me, but I [Jesus] chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide…”
Matthew 28:16,18-20: “Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee… And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”
John 20:21-23: “Jesus said to them [the apostles] again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

johnw74:
I posted that link without reading from the site,
funny though how u were supporting it until now






now attend to the rest of the post:

P>LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - The Holy Father is full of surprises, born of true and faithful humility. On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.
DIDNT CHRIST COME TO DIE FOR ALL?

johnw74:
ha ha the muslims holy book calls christians pagan and says to kill them
and u say the God of the koran is the same god as the God of the Bible

you still id not confirm my statement about the hebrew God and Amalekites

brocab:
Look up on the net-its full of truths about Pope Francis.
Pope Francis believes the atheist will go into heaven, by their good works.
That sucks-and you had to turn your life over to the Church-before the Pope even recognises you..

I have heard so many versions.....i want your own version.

johnw74:
u also pray to mary and other human beings who have died, and angels, which is unbibical,
u choose rc doctrine over God's word.

And i repeat for umpteeth time , I pray IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH IS THE MOST HOLY TRINITY,WHO IS GOD.

johnw74:
there is two of your problems, u have faith-belief in the rcc, there is nothing much holy about the rcc,
don't leave out the roman part of your church name,
search for the attrociries of the roman catholic church, or ask me, i will post some for u

I know the atrocities of the catholic church. don tell me.
But it does not refute the fat that the church is APOSTOLIC,ONE, CATHOLIC AND HOLY.

johnw74:
duh a person with God given faith doesn't do those things,

u don't believe God:
Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

St.peter denies christ three times. who witnessed the transfiguration and ll the mighty works of christ.
DUDE.
we have now rewriting our own teachings and eroding moral teachings for our own personal gain.
well done clap for your sef. this is the reason why a govt offical will steal more than bill gates worth and we the masses will say "and so?"

johnw74:
You want some info on pope francis, ok here is a little:

Pope Francis declared at the Third Vatican Council that 'all religions are true.'
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/francis.asp


Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077


God says diffrent:
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


(pope francis did emphasize there was a catch. Those people must still do good.)

However God said:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

THERE IS NO THIRD VATICAN COUNCIL.
you just say things from hate sites and repeat them with all authority.
THE LAST COUNCIL WAS VATICAN II CALLED BY POPE JOHN XX111
until u revert i wont answer the rest of your questions

johnw74:
ha ha u r as blind as your pope, all religions r not true, muslims don't believe in the same God as Christians,
in the koran, jews and Christians are called infidels, and the koran tells muslims to kill the infidels

because some certain fanatics call you infidel does not erode the principle of a religious cult.
The worship of a supreme being who is the creator of all.
This is not the pope speaking.It is theology.

johnw74:
ha ha u r as blind as your pope, all religions r not true, muslims don't believe in the same God as Christians,
in the koran, jews and Christians are called infidels, and the koran tells muslims to kill the infidels

Just as the hebrew God instructed King saul to kill all amalekites including women,children and cattles

brocab:
We are all sinners-either we sin, or we don't sin-we are all sinners.

LOL first u say we are all sinners the nu say once u believe u are good to go. am confused.....help me here.

[quote author=brocab post=59293813]Even the Pope believes in God-believing he is God on Earth.
All religions aren't true-[Allah isn't the same God of the bible]
Pope Francis say's atheist can do good and go to heaven. And what good works can atheist do-without believing in God?

ALLAH Is GOD, the word allah is arabic just as chineke is igbo and ugbangidi is hausa and olorun is yoruba and dei is latin

brocab:
Anybody who accepts Jesus-won't keep on sinning. But rather obey His commands.
How about you?

so the pastor that defrauds his members of 500 million naira?
wait hw about st.peter who went back to fishing after Jesus's death?

brocab:
Actually No, I have heard enough about Pope Francis.

lets hear them.

johnw74:
Your pope francis is certinally not infallable:

Pope Francis declared at the Third Vatican Council that 'all religions are true.' 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/francis.asp


Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077


God says diffrent:
Joh_14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mat 7:13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 
Mat 7:14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


(pope francis did emphasize there was a catch. Those people must still do good.)

However God said:
Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

All religions are true, they all believe in a supreme being,GOD ,who is the creator of the universe, the issue has always how to worship him. our fore-fathers believed in God, until the missionaries brought Jesus.The Jews believe in God. Moslems in God(ALLAH).
That isn't papal infallibility.the pope did not pronounce a dogma.
before even the pope pronounces a dogma,he calls a council,last one was vatican ii, where all the bishops of the catholic church worldwide and theologians debate over such a dogma and give their definitions based on bible teachings and sacred traditions. it is on that authority that the pope exercises the power of papal infallibility.

brocab:
Rome as we know it to be, and the start of the Vatican-which happens to be right in the centre of it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4wv--q0AEY
And if this doesn't bite the dust-Constantine, and the start of the Church will.

ABEG this issue is now very stale.
First it was pope john paul II as he was d pope during the y2k era, Karol wojtyla died in old age.
Then it was pope benedict xvi, because he was from a former Nazi country, the old ratzinger resigned.
we are still waiting for una excuse with pope francis...

brocab:
Between Catholic's, and the Evangelical's believe in some similarities, one of the most important disagreements is about how we can be accepted by God.
Evangelical's believe that if someone has faith in Jesus, if they trust Him with their lives and follow Him, than they are made totally acceptable to God. {Romans 3:23-26}
The bible say's that this happens apart from works" {Romans 4:6}
In other words, the Evangelical's believe, it doesn't depend how good of the life we live, but only on our trust in Jesus, if we follow Jesus, we are guaranteed a place in Heaven when we die {Luke 23:43}
Catholic's on the other hand, believe that our acceptance by God does depend partly on the life that they have lived, the Catholic's believe if they aren't good enough by works, they won't make it to heaven.
Another big difference is that the Evangelical's believe that in the bible God speaks through His Word.
The Catholic's believe God also speaks not only through the bible, but God speaks through the Catholic Church and the Pope.
But Jesus said: only the bible is the Word of God, not the additional teaching of religious leaders {Mark 7:1-13}
Having similarities-isn't good enough-we either believe in the truth-accepting Christ fully into our lives-either be Hot for God, or Cold for God, not knowing God at all.
Having similarities is Lukewarm, half believing in the bible, and half believing in a man made religion.
Catholic's believe the bible have errors, while the Evangelical's believe every word written in the bible is God speaking to us.
Jesus said:{Revelation 3:1} So because you are Lukewarm neither Hot or Cold I will spit you out of my mouth.

TO BE CLEAR YOU ARE SAYING ONCE I ACCEPT JESUS, I AM GOOD TO GO.
I AM BECOME A ROGUE POLITICIAN, A CHEATING HUSBAND, A WICKED BOSS ,A KIDNAPPERS?
COS ALL DIS CASES I MENTIONED WE SEE DAILY AND THEY ALL CLAIM TO BE XTIANS.
SO PLS COME OUT CLEAR...JUST BELIEVE IN JESUS AND FORGET GOOD WORKS?

brocab:
"First" We read them all-but none of what you claim are facts-and you expect us to agree with you-Mary sits on Jesus right side-or she was found with no original sin.
We need the evidence from you-but you can't seem to produce it-because your evidence isn't written in the bible.
The Catholic Church teaches outside the written Word of God-"sample" The bible teaches Jesus sits on the throne of God-the Catholic's teach Mary's sits on her Son's right side of the throne. Even if Jesus is sitting on God's right side-this doesn't prefer to Mary sitting on Jesus right side.
{Revelation 3:21} To him who overcome will I grant to sit with Me on My Throne, even as I also overcame, and sit down with My Father on His throne.
So where did you say-Mary is sitting? It doesn't matter what the Catholic's believe-the fact is, the Word said: we all sit with Jesus on His throne, and His throne is His Fathers throne.
Mary either sits on His throne-or she doesn't sit on One at all.


Now lets start with Original sin. The bible states this.
{Romans 3:25} For all have sinned and all fall short of the glory of God.
Original sin is also known as ancestral sin, is the Christian doctrine of humanity's state of sin resulting from the fall of Man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Now the Catholic Church states this.
Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called "original sin"..
The Catholic Church teaches that every human person born on this earth is made in the image of God..
The Catholic's also believe God's first covenant with humanity, through Adam, was broken through the original sin, God had created a covenant in Jesus Christ, the prefect sacrifice.
Jesus had given us away to enter into the new covenant. through Baptism. Baptism removes original sin. and any personal sin, and cleanses the soul making it new and fresh.
It makes one a new creature in Christ, God invites into His covenant with Him freely and it is up to us to choose to enter into it, and uphold our end of the bargain..

Now me-What if we don't hold up our end of the bargain, then what? A we still sinners.}

IF YOU DON'T UPHOLD YOUR END OF THE BARGAIN,DUDE YOU ARE A SINNER.
WHICH IS WHY AT BAPTISM YOU ARE ASKED.......
Renunciation of Sin and Profession of Faith
Do you reject Satan?

Reply: [I do.]

And all his works?

Reply: [I do.]

And all his empty promises?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in the God the Father, almighty, creator of heaven and earth?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in Jesus Christ, his only son, our Lord, who was born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died, and was buried, rose from the dead and is now seated at the right hand of the Father?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting?

Reply: [I do.]

Is it your will that [Name] be baptized in the faith of the Church, which we have all professed with you?

Reply: [I do.]
The celebrant and the congregation give their assent to this profession of faith:

Celebrant: This is our faith. This is the faith of the Church; we are proud to profess it, in Christ Jesus our Lord.

All: Amen.

johnw74:
duh, Jesus didn't pray to Himself, He prayed to Father
u need everything explained to u, and then u still don't believe God(as in below verses),
but believe what your anti Bibical church tells u,
Christians pray to God, not to mary and others

Jesus said when you pray, pray to thy Father:
Mat_6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus said this is how you pray:
Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus prays to Father:
Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

The model of all prayers "PATER NOSTER".
I quoted the apostles creed here...pls check it out again.
Please the church compiled the books of the bible.
I said i pray IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER ,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT,which is the most HOLY trinity, WHO IS GOD.
so basically i have answered all dis questions before and still doing the same now.
HABA.

https://www.daad.de/medien/der-daad/unsere-aufgaben/entwicklungszusammenarbeit/pdfs/daad_programmbroschu%CC%88re_entwicklungsbezogene_studienga%CC%88nge_2018_19_screen.pdf

brocab:
We actually feel the same about you, you had refuse to give us the truth about anything you claim it's true.
Every verse you have produce, just doesn't line up with the Word of God, Jesus sits on His Fathers right side-but where is Mary?
Guessing isn't good enough-we need to evidence-But as usual when it is time to lay your evidence out on the table-everyone of you-hide behind each other, hoping the heats claim.
None of you have come up with scriptures that matches your theories! The bible isn't a guessing game-its full of facts-truth-that God's Spirit had inspired apostles to write a super natural-Spirit filled book called the bible.
You aren't any different to any other religion, the JW's do it, the Mormons do it, the Muslims do it, "all" claim to know Christ and yet, all of you-turn your backs against His Word, playing the guessing game-making up stories-that none of them line up with the Word of God.

all you wrote up there just confirmed that you did not read any of our post.you were all but just criticising all the way.

and even at weddings

johnw74:
your beliefs are anti Bibical
Jesus only acknowledges one model of prayer, and that is prayer to only God Himself

Jesus said when you pray, pray to thy Father:
Mat_6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus said this is how you pray:
Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus prays to Father:
Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

CHAI..........NA WA, I dont even know how to respond to you.
Isn't the most holy blessed trinity,GOD?
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johnw74:
u keep repeating what u have been taught to believe
but u cannot support your false doctrines from the Bible

evil men have told u to pray to mary angels and other people, and u r quick to follow them


Jesus said when you pray, pray to thy Father:
Mat_6:6  But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus said this is how you pray:
Mat_6:9  After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus prays to Father:
Mat_26:53  Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Joh_14:16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;




u now have the Bible to see if whatever they have told u is true,
but u would still rather believe evil men who have taught u satans lies,
than believe God.

in so doing u call God a liar.

I pray "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT"...which is the most blessed trinity.
and i also acknowledge the model of all prayers "Pater noster, que es in caelis"

brocab:
You maybe able to fill us in-it isn't written in the bible, that Mary has no original sin-which of the books is it written?
I suppose in one of the 12 books the Catholic Church are using?
I have found in {1 Maccabees 12 } one of the books-you believe you could pray to the dead-and of course you believe in purgatory.
So show me where in the deutercanonical Apocrypha books-Mary has no Original Sin, and show us-Mary sits on her son's right side?
Explain to me, why are these books still in used by the Catholic Church? Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Esslesiasticus, Baruch 1&2 Esdrus, 1&2 Maccabees, the letter of Jeremiah, Prayer of the Manasseh.
The Apocrypha deuterocanonicals supports some of the things the Roman Catholic Catholic believes and practices, which is not in agreement with the bible. Examples are praying for the dead, Petitioning 'saints' in heaven for their prayers, worshipping angels, alms giving, atoning for sins.

i have answered you about mary and original sin in my past post.
i do believe in purgatory,your orientation of purgatory is the issue.
i thought the apocryphal books were bel and dragon,gospel of thomas etc and not the first 8 you mentioned.
the first 8 you mentioned are and is part of the canon, they were removed by fr. luther during the protestant reformation.
wait you are xtian and u dont do alms giving(dats weird and wrong) Psalm 72:3-4
john 20:24.

brocab:
You did say above-if Mary had original sin, Christ had to had had original sin? These are your Words.

in english does an "if" pass for affirmation?
did you even care to read and understand the post or you were quick to condemn the "evil catholics"?

brocab:
Why was Mary without original sin, this doesn't make any sense-I am sure Mary would have felt a little pain here and there.
Original sin was brought into the world after Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
First of all, we entered into this world with a fallen nature-this is Adam's sin.
The original sin is something inherent in us, we are all born with Original sin, Original sin manifest itself throughout our lives, in actual sins, the actions, thoughts and feelings we have that violate God's mortal commands.
So our sinful hearts {"Original sins"} cause us to make sinful choices, think sinful thoughts, and feel sinful feelings,
{"Actual sins".}
We are not sinners because we sin, rather we sin, because we are sinners-meaning we are all born totally imprisoned in Original sin. There is no island of goodness left in us.
Mary was born just like every other human being, that was born, she also suffered pain, made choices, and felt sinful feelings.

i am confused about your definitions of original sin and actual sin, could you be more definite about them.