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johnw74:
your beliefs are anti Bibical
Jesus only acknowledges one model of prayer, and that is prayer to only God Himself

Jesus said when you pray, pray to thy Father:
Mat_6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus said this is how you pray:
Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus prays to Father:
Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

johnw74:
u keep repeating what u have been taught to believe
but u cannot support your false doctrines from the Bible

evil men have told u to pray to mary angels and other people, and u r quick to follow them


Jesus said when you pray, pray to thy Father:
Mat_6:6  But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus said this is how you pray:
Mat_6:9  After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus prays to Father:
Mat_26:53  Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Joh_14:16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;




u now have the Bible to see if whatever they have told u is true,
but u would still rather believe evil men who have taught u satans lies,
than believe God.

in so doing u call God a liar.

brocab:
You maybe able to fill us in-it isn't written in the bible, that Mary has no original sin-which of the books is it written?
I suppose in one of the 12 books the Catholic Church are using?
I have found in {1 Maccabees 12 } one of the books-you believe you could pray to the dead-and of course you believe in purgatory.
So show me where in the deutercanonical Apocrypha books-Mary has no Original Sin, and show us-Mary sits on her son's right side?
Explain to me, why are these books still in used by the Catholic Church? Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Esslesiasticus, Baruch 1&2 Esdrus, 1&2 Maccabees, the letter of Jeremiah, Prayer of the Manasseh.
The Apocrypha deuterocanonicals supports some of the things the Roman Catholic Catholic believes and practices, which is not in agreement with the bible. Examples are praying for the dead, Petitioning 'saints' in heaven for their prayers, worshipping angels, alms giving, atoning for sins.

brocab:
You did say above-if Mary had original sin, Christ had to had had original sin? These are your Words.

brocab:
Why was Mary without original sin, this doesn't make any sense-I am sure Mary would have felt a little pain here and there.
Original sin was brought into the world after Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
First of all, we entered into this world with a fallen nature-this is Adam's sin.
The original sin is something inherent in us, we are all born with Original sin, Original sin manifest itself throughout our lives, in actual sins, the actions, thoughts and feelings we have that violate God's mortal commands.
So our sinful hearts {"Original sins"} cause us to make sinful choices, think sinful thoughts, and feel sinful feelings,
{"Actual sins".}
We are not sinners because we sin, rather we sin, because we are sinners-meaning we are all born totally imprisoned in Original sin. There is no island of goodness left in us.
Mary was born just like every other human being, that was born, she also suffered pain, made choices, and felt sinful feelings.

brocab:
If I was to raised good questions-then how do you come up with the conclusion Jesus had original sin-Is the Holy Spirit sinful too?
{Matthew 1:20} In Matthew it states that the virgin was found to be with child through the Holy spirit, Jesus birth was the result of the Holy Spirit, working in Mary's body.
The immaterial {The Spirit} and the material {Mary's womb} were both involved, if Mary tried to impregnate herself, she couldn't, she was a vessel and only God can perform a miracle of the incarnation.
{Hebrews 7:26} Jesus was not born in sin, it would seem that the sin nature passed down from generation to generation through our earthly fathers, but if you are guessing Jesus had Original sin-because of His earthly Mother Mary-then what does this say about God the Father?
{Romans 5:12, 17, 19} For by the one mans disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the One Mans obedience the many were made righteous.
{Psalm 69:8} Ring a bell, I have became strangers to My brothers, and an alien to My Mothers Children.
And when we look further into it-was Mary remembered as the Holy Mother of God after she had other Children to Joseph. Of course not. Her Children were all sin related, and Sin separates us from God...

johnw74:
ha ha ha, the immaculate conception is another rcc satanic doctrine, this one was from pius 1X also
and of course is not Bibical
Jesus being conceived in mary by God was free from sin, but
there is no mention of mary herself being conceived without sin in the Bible
and why would there be
it's just more rcc rot of putting mary before Christ-God.

johnw74:
@bold, the same repeated lie, which of course u cannot post Bible scripture for

@blue, u have straight out said that Jesus was a sinner.
that mary was free from original sin but Jesus had original sin

u r so evil putting mary above Christ-God, just as your father the devil does,

u briar don't believe God:
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

please bold out where i said christ was with sin? please.

Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

u don't believe God = u hate God.

satan sucesfully convinced eve that she could be like God, just as he tried to be(above God)
satan sucesfully convinced rcc to honour Mary more than Christ-God

Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

johnw74:
duh, favoured one doesn't mean without sin nature,
rc's beliefs r just out of their own heads, passed down like their sin nature is

whenever u briar quote Bible verses u quote Bible verses that don't support your satanic doctrines
and the reason that u briar quote Bible verses that don't support your satanic doctrines,
is because their are no Bible verses that support your satanic doctrines

johnw74:
when u briar say Jesus was a sinner
u r also calling God a liar:

1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;




at the same time briar that u say Christ-God was a sinner, u say mary was without inherited sin


u put Christ-God down saying He was a sinner, and raise mary-human up,
like your father the devil has taught u through the rcc

brocab:
Why was Mary without original sin, this doesn't make any sense-I am sure Mary would have felt a little pain here and there.
Original sin was brought into the world after Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
First of all, we entered into this world with a fallen nature-this is Adam's sin.
The original sin is something inherent in us, we are all born with Original sin, Original sin manifest itself throughout our lives, in actual sins, the actions, thoughts and feelings we have that violate God's mortal commands.
So our sinful hearts {"Original sins"} cause us to make sinful choices, think sinful thoughts, and feel sinful feelings,
{"Actual sins".}
We are not sinners because we sin, rather we sin, because we are sinners-meaning we are all born totally imprisoned in Original sin. There is no island of goodness left in us.
Mary was born just like every other human being, that was born, she also suffered pain, made choices, and felt sinful feelings.

brocab:
So sin was taken from Mary, because God favoured Her? "Interesting"
We won't find this written in the bible anywhere that say's, Mary was sinless?
I think I understand a pattern here-but it still isn't scriptural, you believe because Jesus was found with no Sin-Mary as His Mother-she is classed as Sinless too. "You have this attitude "Mother like Son-she receives everything God had given to His Son, and because Jesus still lives-Mary's lives.
Am I right?

brocab:
How do you get that in {Luke 1:28, 42} How do you put these two verses together with just a guess. Mary was Blessed with Child-but she is still a sinner-not because she sinned, but because the fall of Adam and Eve.
{Romans 3:23} We all have sinned and fall sort of the glory of God. Mary is included.
{2 Corinthians 5:21} God made Him, who had no Sin, to be Sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteous of God.
If Jesus were not Sinless, there would be "No sacrifice for Sin.
I hope you are seeing the picture.

johnw74:
Luk 1:28  And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

mary was blessed among women because God chose her to be the mother of Christ
show from the Bible how that disolves her from original sin

brocab:
Yes a good question to ask? Show us in the bible-where Mary was excluded from Original sin?
Don't forget-Mary needed a savour-and if she was excluded from sin-she wouldn't need one.

brocab:
That wasn't hard was it..

brocab:
Then explain yourself clearly.

brocab:
You said it, as clear as it sounds-you believe Jesus had original sin, also called ancestral sin, is the Christian doctrine of humanity's state of sin, resulting from the fall of man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
This is what you are pointing Jesus too-calling Jesus a sinner-because He was born through a sinner, Mama Mary.

brocab:
Praying to saints in heaven has no biblical base, the bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray-to heavenly saints.
[Hebrews 4:16} Tells us we believers on Earth can approach the throne of Grace with confidence.
Which means we don't need the saints in heaven to pray for us-we can go straight to God ourselves.
We know you Catholic's argue over the fact-praying to the saints is no-different then praying to someone living on Earth.
So I am happy to give you, your answer-praying to heavenly saints isn't biblical...

brocab:
Ha Ha Ha

brocab:
You said it, as clear as it sounds-you believe Jesus had original sin, also called ancestral sin, is the Christian doctrine of humanity's state of sin, resulting from the fall of man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
This is what you are pointing Jesus too-calling Jesus a sinner-because He was born through a sinner, Mama Mary.

johnw74:
Holy Catholic Church, ha ha, that's made up by rcc

here is God's word concerning the catholic church:

Some Will Depart from the Faith
1Ti 4:1  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 
1Ti 4:2  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 
1Ti 4:3  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

brocab:
"Really" Is this your answer?
Do you actually believe Jesus is a sinner?
God found favour in Mary {Luke 1:30-31} and you believe, "He" Jesus is a sinner?
How can sin save the world, when already sin is in the world?
{Luke 1:46-48} Mary said: my soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in "God my savour" for He had looked with favour on the humble state of His servant. "From now on all generations will call me Blessed.
And Mary is Blessed.
Is this the sort of information you are taught in the Catholic Churches today, or is this your own interpretation?
God found favour in Mary-because Mary needed a savior-she already knew the world was filled with sin, Mary needed a Savior not a Sinner.

johnw74:
original sin wasn't passed on to Jesus which the Bible verses I posted and which u don't believe, show
u choose mans lying words over God's word, however u will have your reward:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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