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johnw74:
bb, there is no point teaching you - satans church anything, you don't believe God's word
that i have posted condemming your fake doctrines

o is this your idea of evangelism, condemning people. I DEFINITELY NEED TO KNOW YOUR VIEW OF BAPTISM.
THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU BUGGING ME.
WE HAVE SEEN THOSE VIEWS FROM YOUR HATE WEBSITE....LETS HEAR FROM YOUR MOUTH YOUR CHRISTAIN BELIEFS.

analice107:
Guy, i'm here to exchange words with you, You are not talking to someone who was born Pentecostal. I was deep into Catholicism, so i know what i'm talking about. I was in that same position you are right now defending the paganistic practices of Catholicism until Christ by Himself drew me out.

Keep projecting idol worship, you shall stand to defend it before the White Throne Judgement.

well i am here to tell you what the catholics believe in

Tellemall:
You cannot answer the question. Simple.

All your diversions are pointless.

Who commanded you to do the sacred arts?

READ HISTORY OF SACRED ARTS....NNNA ISNT THAT ENOUGH ANSWER

Tellemall:
You brought it up.

If you can't answer it because it would shake the foundations of your faith, don't try and divert it.

You said that the Israelites were told by God to make an ark. It's well recorded. But who commanded you to do the sacred arts and make images of Mary?

Remember the golden calf? And Jeroboam? Nobody told them to, and you can read for yourself the end results.

Sacred arts indeed

shake which foundations

is it form the fish symbol for christ or the chi-rho.
please read up the history of sacred arts.

Proffdada:
a prayer formed by men after discarding the Lord's prayer

hah ha hah haha hha, you guys just wake up and assume.

The Communion Rite

The eating and drinking together of the Lord’s Body and Blood in a Paschal meal is the culmination of the Eucharist. The themes underlying these rites are the mutual love and reconciliation that are both the condition and the fruit of worthy communion and the unity of the many in the One.

The Lord’s Prayer

The congregation stands and the Priest says:

At the Saviour’s command
and formed by divine teaching, we dare to say:
Together with the people, he continues:

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come,
thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
The Priest alone continues, saying:

Deliver us, Lord, we pray, from every evil,
graciously grant peace in our days,
that, by the help of your mercy,
we may be always free from sin
and safe from all distress,
as we await the blessed hope
and the coming of our Saviour, Jesus Christ.
The people conclude the prayer, acclaiming:

For the kingdom,
the power and the glory are yours
now and for ever.

Ubenedictus:
oya tell me when these your Christians compiled
their own new testament?

This guy no be christian, he is just someone who has the bible in his collection of books.
if you read what he posts from those hate web site, it negates the total fundamentals of the christian faith (catholics and protestants)

johnw74:
ha ha, tell me what you know about baptism
it must be something fantastic

we have your thoughts about catholic baptism so we definitely need to hear what your view of BAPTISM is? it is of great importance you do that

Tellemall:
Yes. Christians of old didn't do that religious display.

You live Christianity, not display it


Plus, the main issue which you've not responded to, though you brought it up, is:

As the Israelites of old were told to build an ark for God, who told the Catholics to make images of Mary?

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ohhh na mary own dey bug you, the images of the apostles and saints no bug you.
please read about the history of sacred arts

sonature1:
Kindly show me where this is in the Bible: "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death." Thank you. Please I want to learn.

it is not in the bible as it was a prayer made by the church as the second part of the hail mary.

analice107:
You are quick to call people names even when you are in the wrong.

What in Catholicism is Biblical? Is it the mentioning of the name Jesus or what? Olumba mentions Jesus, but we know it's a charade.

Catholicism is a distinct religion and not Christianity.

you have still failed to itemise one of those fake doctrines.
Catholics do not call jesus name in charade.this what catholics believe in.

The Apostles Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1:1; Rom 1:20)
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3:17; Phil 2:12)
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1:35)
born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2:7)
suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19:16)
was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19:29 – 42)
He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3:19 – 20)
on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24:51)
and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1:3)
the Father almighty; (Mk 14:36)
from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10:39)
to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14:15 – 20; Acts 1:7 –
the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16:18 – 19; Eph 5:26-27; Col 1:24)
the communion of Saints, (Mt 28:19 – 20; 2 Cor 11:13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20:22 – 23)
the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15:51 – 54; 1 Thes 4:13 – 18)
and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5:20)

Amen.

Tellemall:
Good you've observed that God himself asked them to. But who commanded the Catholics to?

you asking catholics who commanded them to adorn the church with paintings and images of the christian faith from the painting of the creation to the ressurection or the paintings of the holy family or the last supper?

analice107:
Paying money for guys in purgatory to enter heaven.

And i had to really research and find out where the Catholic Church got that doctrine from, I saw it. I'm sure you don't even know it's origin but you go on propagating it.

We need to investigate our doctrines else we'll be worshiping satan in disguise.

please i still do not understand you...pay for which money......
what i know is mass booking.......so please come out clean

Tellemall:
But were the Catholics instructed to make images of Mary and Jesus by God as Moses was?

That was a symbolic commandment from God. Study your Bible more to see the link with That and the New testament.

but same God asked for the ark of the convenant to be made and for images of palm trees to adorned the temple

analice107:
And paying money to the Pope for our dead loved ones in purgatory to be allowed into heaven. Also, paying money for our sins to be forgiven.

There's alot of things people pay money for in Catholic church, but they cover those up and project tithes paid my pentecostal churches as tho it's a sin.

At least we see Tithing in the Bible, where can we fine Absolution in the Bible?

Paying money or booking mass which one cos i am confused.
confession is free, anytime ,anywhere......just with this magical words....."father hear my confession" the priest will simply live anything else he his doing.
PURGATORY is not for damned souls(thats hell), it is for saved souls which still need cleansing before beholding Gods glory.

analice107:
First, Catholicism is a distinct religion just like islam. It's out look appears like it's a Christian church, but, it's not, as 80% of her doctrines are opposed to the Scriptures of the Christian faith.

you have brought your lies here again....pls itemise 80 percent of those doctrines

ireneidiva:
Nah. i can't have this discussion abeg.

no abeg you can afford to have this discussion, a mans honour is in question here.

ireneidiva:
Are you kidding me?

no , i ask question

ireneidiva:
The new pope that changed a lot of prayers and other things in the catholic church nko?

please what prayers and things did pope francis change?

johnw74:
as you should know by now i point out yours and rcc lies
i don't give lessons to satans church

i did tell you some of your churches lies on baptism

now feel free to tell me what you say baptism is and i'm sure i will exdpose yet more of your lies

not until you tel me what Baptism is.

johnw74:
bb, you call the truth hate, but i already know you do, and i have already told you that

you are avoiding the question......

johnw74:
as before, all you have is garbage to say

i will tell you what baptism isn't,
it isn't the sprinkling of water on the forehead of a baby
who knows nothing about what is going on, and knows nothing about repentance and faith

nearly everything about the rcc is fake and goes against God's word,
satanic is what it is

i certainly am a Christian, that is why i believe God's word-the Bible,
you certainly are not a Christian, you worship deceased people and have idols of them

SIMPLE QUESTION,WHAT IS BAPTISM?

johnw74:
ha ha, bb you dont even know what your satanic church teaches

you just continue in your lies, taking after your god, and saying anything

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


some proof for you bb about rc's believing salvation is more than just faith in Jesus Christ:

Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism


Salvation, in Roman Catholicism, is a process with many steps: Actual Grace, Faith, Good Works, Baptism, Participation in the Sacraments, Penance, Indulgences, and Keeping the Commandments. Basically, salvation is attained through baptism and good works. It is maintained by good works and participation in the sacraments. If lost, it is regained through the sacrament of Penance which only a Roman Catholic priest can administer. Add to this purgatorial cleansing after a person dies, and you can see that salvation is an arduous process.

In Catholicism, a person can gain salvation and lose it many times depending on the number of sins committed, their severity, and how much of the sacraments they participate in--in order to regain grace which enables them to do good works by which they are justified. Furthermore, justifying grace is infused into the Catholic upon baptism and via the sacraments. This grace can be gradually lost through venial sins or forfeited all together with mortal sins.

In light of all of this, I've written three interrelated articles:

Part 1, Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
Part 2, Maintaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
Part 3, Regaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
See also, Summary of process of salvation in Roman Catholicism


Attaining Salvation, Part 1 of 3
Actual grace

Actual Grace is the first step in the process of attaining salvation in Roman Catholicism. Actual grace is what God gives to a person to enable the person to seek and respond to God’s call of faith. It helps the person move towards God--where he then freely chooses to accept or reject God’s work in Christ.

Actual grace is “A supernatural help of God for salutary [beneficial] acts granted in consideration of the merits of Christ,” (Catholic Encyclopedia, “Actual Grace”).
"Habitual grace, the permanent disposition to live and act in keeping with God's call, is distinguished from actual graces which refer to God's interventions, whether at the beginning of conversion or in the course of the work of sanctification," (Catechism of the Catholic Church, herein referred to as CCC, par. 2000).

With actual grace working on a person, he is then able to have faith which is necessary for salvation. But this faith is not a simple faith in Christ's work on the cross, so that we are justified by faith alone in Christ's work alone (Rom. 4:5; 5:1; Gal. 2:16). On the contrary, according to Catholicism, the faith that is necessary for salvation must be a faith that also affirms what the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

"Faith is necessary for salvation. The Lord himself affirms: ‘He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.’ (Mk 16:16),” (CCC 183).
“Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself," (CCC 1814).
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 846).

Baptism

Once actual grace has done its work and the person believes the gospel (and in the Roman Catholic Church), baptism is a necessary element for salvation in Roman Catholicism. It is where sins are removed and a person is justified before God.

". . . Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification, so that 'we too might walk in newness of life,'" (CCC 977).
“Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude . . . " (CCC 1257).
"Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. It has for its goal the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life. It is the most excellent work of God's mercy," (CCC 2020).

At baptism, a person is restored to a state of innocence before God by erasing original sin. Justification occurs in baptism, and sanctifying grace (the grace that saves) is infused into him.

“Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin . . . " (CCC 405).
“Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy,” (CCC 1992).
“The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism,” (CCC 1999).

please what is baptism and at this point i have to ask are you even a christian?

johnw74:
truly oh blinded one, revelations woman of abominations is the rcc

dis your line is it what you use to keep your congregation in check?

johnw74:
the whole world follow satan,
the whole world is all but true Christians,
true Christians are not of the world,
you bb are, and you follow satan the devil

Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

satan is the god of this world
bb, he is the god who has blinded you:

2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

bb, satan is your father and your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you never answer question...you just dey spill hate...come are you sure you are a Christian or just some dude who reads the bible to spite Christians?

johnw74:
The Bible foretold that the antichrist beast would be are arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with precious stones.

“The woman (apostate church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.” Revelation 17:4

CHAI.....na holy eucharist you dey call abomination.....kai.....mea maxima culpa.
the same holy Eucharist that Pentecostals now do.

johnw74:
Question: "Is Catholicism a false religion? Are Catholics saved?"

Answer: The most crucial problem with the Roman Catholic Church is its belief that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation. The Bible clearly and consistently states that receiving Jesus Christ as Savior, by grace through faith, grants salvation (John 1:12; 3:16,18,36; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9-10,13; Ephesians 2:8-9). The Roman Catholic Church rejects this. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive the Eucharist along with the other sacraments AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND perform meritorious works AND not die with any mortal sins AND etc., etc., etc. Catholic divergence from the Bible on this most crucial of issues, salvation, means that yes, Catholicism is a false religion. If a person believes what the Catholic Church officially teaches, he/she will not be saved. Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus’ death was not sufficient to fully purchase our salvation.

gotquestions dot org

STOP GOING HATE FILLED WEBSITE TO QUOTE LIES, DID YOU EVEN READ WHAT YOU POSTED, IT DOESNT ADD UP.

THIS WHAT CATHOLICS BELIEVES-
The Apostles Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1:1; Rom 1:20)
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3:17; Phil 2:12)
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1:35)
born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2:7)
suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19:16)
was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19:29 – 42)
He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3:19 – 20)
on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24:51)
and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1:3)
the Father almighty; (Mk 14:36)
from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10:39)
to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14:15 – 20; Acts 1:7 –
the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16:18 – 19; Eph 5:26-27; Col 1:24)
the communion of Saints, (Mt 28:19 – 20; 2 Cor 11:13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20:22 – 23)
the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15:51 – 54; 1 Thes 4:13 – 18)
and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5:20)

Amen.

johnw74:
ha ha, i have exposed some rcc lies here which you don't respond to
but you do love to continue in your lies and false accusing, taking after your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

i am still straching my head from trying so hard to locate the lies you noted

johnw74:
bb, a site that teaches from the Bible you call a hate site,
that's how evil you and your church are

ooo really and i thought you read your bible

johnw74:
the deceased persons that you worship are not Christians of faith
they are deceived individuals believing all sort of unbibical rubbish
as you do

st stephen,first matryr of the faith or the apostles?

johnw74:
i say, and here is one example:
rc's say mary is the queen of heaven
the bible shows that the queen of heaven
is a false god;

Jer_7:18  Children gather wood, fathers light fires, and women knead dough to make cakes for the queen of heaven. They pour out wine offerings to other gods in order to make me furious.





bb, your unbelief and lies has you also confused

bb:


the Bible:
Eph 2:2  You followed the ways of this present world and its spiritual ruler. This ruler continues to work in people who refuse to obey God.


and once again, the verse you posted as eph 2:2 is in fact psalm 51:5

kjv Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.





i'm know the lies that satan's church teaches, i have pointed out a few and you have no genuine comeback on them
just your confusion.

You do not know what the church teaches because all you know about the church is form a hate site.
Read the vatican link up there.

johnw74:
yes i know you build houses of worship to worship deceased men and women,
kneeling down and bowing your heads before their statues, which of course is idolatery

vvv roman catholic idolators, and pope adoring your lady of fatima statue sick evil

we build our house of worship to remind us of the faith for which some have labored and given their life for.
from St . agnes who was matryred to St . James the apostle, patron saint of spain.
to even christians like Mulumba and also. we also dedicated our house of worship to the many attributes of God, creator of heave and earth. the triumph of the cross, the most holy trinity, his ressurection, his ascension etc.
PLS WHAT HAPPENS TO CHRISTIANS WHO DIE IN THE FAITH?

johnw74:
bb, you are lying again, your mary didn't say that

your mary said "a chapel is to be built here in my honour"
you see she-satan wants you to honour her, and you do

Christians honour God and don't build chapels for any other

all catholic house of worship are built in honour of a personality. st agnes catholic church or holy cross cathedral or even Ss michael,raphael and gabriel or church of the pentecost or ressurection.