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johnw74:
it is simple...what are your Christian beliefs?













ha ha, you rc's have that same duh spirit of the devil,
would it be okay to say: "mental as anything"

Tellemall:
Your first line is the end of this.

Bye.

johnw74:
ha ha, continued garbage

johnw74:
duh, it's not hard at all, but i'm not posting to satans church to do that,
i'm posting to show up your lies, and that keeps me quite busy, i can't keep up with them

johnw74:
duh, i don't evangelise satans church, i show it up for what it is, and most all knowwhat it is excdept you rc's, the blinded

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

you call sites that us the bible to support what they say, hate sites
of course a devils disciple would

analice107:
So, not all Catholics know what Catholics believe in?

Guy, enjoy your idolatry, The White Throne Judgment seat shall determine.

Tellemall:
Who commanded you to?

When the children of Israel had fallen into the worship of the golden calves, when they were asked, at least they had the integrity to point at who told them to. They didn't begin to talk about refining gold.

Who commanded you to make images of Mary and adore and worship them?

Art has been alive and well for millennia. But who told you to do that?

Yet you point out that God commanded the Israelites to make an ark. Yet you can't back your idol worship up with Divinity.

johnw74:
bb, i already know you rc's cannot stop lying

johnw74:
bb, there is no point teaching you - satans church anything, you don't believe God's word
that i have posted condemming your fake doctrines

analice107:
Guy, i'm here to exchange words with you, You are not talking to someone who was born Pentecostal. I was deep into Catholicism, so i know what i'm talking about. I was in that same position you are right now defending the paganistic practices of Catholicism until Christ by Himself drew me out.

Keep projecting idol worship, you shall stand to defend it before the White Throne Judgement.

Tellemall:
You cannot answer the question. Simple.

All your diversions are pointless.

Who commanded you to do the sacred arts?

Tellemall:
You brought it up.

If you can't answer it because it would shake the foundations of your faith, don't try and divert it.

You said that the Israelites were told by God to make an ark. It's well recorded. But who commanded you to do the sacred arts and make images of Mary?

Remember the golden calf? And Jeroboam? Nobody told them to, and you can read for yourself the end results.

Sacred arts indeed

Proffdada:
a prayer formed by men after discarding the Lord's prayer

Ubenedictus:
oya tell me when these your Christians compiled
their own new testament?

johnw74:
ha ha, tell me what you know about baptism
it must be something fantastic

Tellemall:
Yes. Christians of old didn't do that religious display.

You live Christianity, not display it


Plus, the main issue which you've not responded to, though you brought it up, is:

As the Israelites of old were told to build an ark for God, who told the Catholics to make images of Mary?

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sonature1:
Kindly show me where this is in the Bible: "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death." Thank you. Please I want to learn.

analice107:
You are quick to call people names even when you are in the wrong.

What in Catholicism is Biblical? Is it the mentioning of the name Jesus or what? Olumba mentions Jesus, but we know it's a charade.

Catholicism is a distinct religion and not Christianity.

Tellemall:
Good you've observed that God himself asked them to. But who commanded the Catholics to?

analice107:
Paying money for guys in purgatory to enter heaven.

And i had to really research and find out where the Catholic Church got that doctrine from, I saw it. I'm sure you don't even know it's origin but you go on propagating it.

We need to investigate our doctrines else we'll be worshiping satan in disguise.

Tellemall:
But were the Catholics instructed to make images of Mary and Jesus by God as Moses was?

That was a symbolic commandment from God. Study your Bible more to see the link with That and the New testament.

analice107:
And paying money to the Pope for our dead loved ones in purgatory to be allowed into heaven. Also, paying money for our sins to be forgiven.

There's alot of things people pay money for in Catholic church, but they cover those up and project tithes paid my pentecostal churches as tho it's a sin.

At least we see Tithing in the Bible, where can we fine Absolution in the Bible?

analice107:
First, Catholicism is a distinct religion just like islam. It's out look appears like it's a Christian church, but, it's not, as 80% of her doctrines are opposed to the Scriptures of the Christian faith.

ireneidiva:
Nah. i can't have this discussion abeg.

ireneidiva:
Are you kidding me?

ireneidiva:
The new pope that changed a lot of prayers and other things in the catholic church nko?

johnw74:
as you should know by now i point out yours and rcc lies
i don't give lessons to satans church

i did tell you some of your churches lies on baptism

now feel free to tell me what you say baptism is and i'm sure i will exdpose yet more of your lies

johnw74:
bb, you call the truth hate, but i already know you do, and i have already told you that

johnw74:
as before, all you have is garbage to say

i will tell you what baptism isn't,
it isn't the sprinkling of water on the forehead of a baby
who knows nothing about what is going on, and knows nothing about repentance and faith

nearly everything about the rcc is fake and goes against God's word,
satanic is what it is

i certainly am a Christian, that is why i believe God's word-the Bible,
you certainly are not a Christian, you worship deceased people and have idols of them

johnw74:
ha ha, bb you dont even know what your satanic church teaches

you just continue in your lies, taking after your god, and saying anything

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


some proof for you bb about rc's believing salvation is more than just faith in Jesus Christ:

Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism


Salvation, in Roman Catholicism, is a process with many steps: Actual Grace, Faith, Good Works, Baptism, Participation in the Sacraments, Penance, Indulgences, and Keeping the Commandments. Basically, salvation is attained through baptism and good works. It is maintained by good works and participation in the sacraments. If lost, it is regained through the sacrament of Penance which only a Roman Catholic priest can administer. Add to this purgatorial cleansing after a person dies, and you can see that salvation is an arduous process.

In Catholicism, a person can gain salvation and lose it many times depending on the number of sins committed, their severity, and how much of the sacraments they participate in--in order to regain grace which enables them to do good works by which they are justified. Furthermore, justifying grace is infused into the Catholic upon baptism and via the sacraments. This grace can be gradually lost through venial sins or forfeited all together with mortal sins.

In light of all of this, I've written three interrelated articles:

Part 1, Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
Part 2, Maintaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
Part 3, Regaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
See also, Summary of process of salvation in Roman Catholicism


Attaining Salvation, Part 1 of 3
Actual grace

Actual Grace is the first step in the process of attaining salvation in Roman Catholicism. Actual grace is what God gives to a person to enable the person to seek and respond to God’s call of faith. It helps the person move towards God--where he then freely chooses to accept or reject God’s work in Christ.

Actual grace is “A supernatural help of God for salutary [beneficial] acts granted in consideration of the merits of Christ,” (Catholic Encyclopedia, “Actual Grace”).
"Habitual grace, the permanent disposition to live and act in keeping with God's call, is distinguished from actual graces which refer to God's interventions, whether at the beginning of conversion or in the course of the work of sanctification," (Catechism of the Catholic Church, herein referred to as CCC, par. 2000).

With actual grace working on a person, he is then able to have faith which is necessary for salvation. But this faith is not a simple faith in Christ's work on the cross, so that we are justified by faith alone in Christ's work alone (Rom. 4:5; 5:1; Gal. 2:16). On the contrary, according to Catholicism, the faith that is necessary for salvation must be a faith that also affirms what the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

"Faith is necessary for salvation. The Lord himself affirms: ‘He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.’ (Mk 16:16),” (CCC 183).
“Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself," (CCC 1814).
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 846).

Baptism

Once actual grace has done its work and the person believes the gospel (and in the Roman Catholic Church), baptism is a necessary element for salvation in Roman Catholicism. It is where sins are removed and a person is justified before God.

". . . Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification, so that 'we too might walk in newness of life,'" (CCC 977).
“Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude . . . " (CCC 1257).
"Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. It has for its goal the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life. It is the most excellent work of God's mercy," (CCC 2020).

At baptism, a person is restored to a state of innocence before God by erasing original sin. Justification occurs in baptism, and sanctifying grace (the grace that saves) is infused into him.

“Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin . . . " (CCC 405).
“Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy,” (CCC 1992).
“The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism,” (CCC 1999).

johnw74:
truly oh blinded one, revelations woman of abominations is the rcc

johnw74:
the whole world follow satan,
the whole world is all but true Christians,
true Christians are not of the world,
you bb are, and you follow satan the devil

Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

satan is the god of this world
bb, he is the god who has blinded you:

2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

bb, satan is your father and your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.