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logicboy: Then your God is inanimate, given the basic definition of matter.

God is the most qualified entity to define matter because scientists define matter based on how much they know about matter. Scientists dont know sh.it about matter execpt what they can detect. I dont need scientists to define matter for me. Ok?

logicboy: No, it's just evidence that If even theres a God, he isnt omnipotent or fair

Who do you think you are to provide answers to everything? Why not sit down and ask yourself for once if the human brain is all that powerfull to see everything and solve all mysteries? What if we are like dogs which actually do not know anything but think they know?
Just like humans question the things God does that we dont understand, thats how Dogs will question the things humans does that they dont understand.

Well, I think at this point I would say God is matter. Matter assembled to build everything via evolution or whatever process. As we are seeing matter, we are seeing God as well. God exists!

ea7: @logicdude the deist god for all you know might have died upon creating the universe, any way, I'm waiting for deepsight.

Now you are talking. Its better you say God died after creating the universe than those senseless things you were vomiting about creation happening by chance from nothing.
To answer your statement, A CAR WILL NOT DRIVE ITSELF WHEN THE DRIVER FALLS ASLEEP.
I believe the matter that forms everything is powered by something. If that power ( God ) goes off, everything will crumble.

logicboy: No, God is fake because he doesnt interfere with human suffering and allows evil to prevail

Oh I see. Its better saying this than all your bu.llshit talks about everything creating itself from matter that came from nowhere. Do you think human suffering is the heavy evidence that God doesnt exist?

Now I suspect logicboy to be a theist or an atheist who has long accepted the truth. I guess he is just playing arround and pretendind to be an atheists.

logicboy: If Jesus is God and God can not die, how is Jesus risen from the dead?

Think about that

Thats why you are an atheist. Because you saw that the bible contains flaws, therefore God is fake. What a conclusion!
Think beyond the bible my friend.

logicboy: What? Did I not mention the Big Bang theory? You want me to start writing pages on it?

Burden of proof lies on the maker of the claim. Your intelligent design is a debunked myth. Where is your proof of God?

And where is your own proof of matter assembling to form complex things without a guiding force?

logicboy: You were the one that ignorantly claimed that science could not explain these things;

"Can science explain how humans have thoughts, emotions, and conscienceness? No it can't yet we know these thing to exist"

Scientist have mapped out parts of the brain that carry out some thought processes. Because you are ignorant, you say science cant explain it and God exists.

Science can not explain everything but it has done a great job explaining most part of our lives compared to christianity or religion.

Since you failed to explain the origin of the matter that forms everything, and a sound reason why matter was forming complex things. This means you dont know what happened in the very beginning. And if you cant explain what happened at the very start, what makes you qualified to say there was no creator?

Logic Mind: god had a dump and here we are.

meaning?

logicboy: The problem is that your question is both stupid and very wide. Do you know that there are many minerals that can for many different types of of rocks. Each mineral is formed through a biogeochemical process that s nothing to do with God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogeochemical_cycle

Now, can you show me where God is involved in any natural process? I have been patiently answering your questions because I know you'd run out of useful questions to prove science wrong.

Wow. Is this how handicapped you are? Everything is made up of matter as the basic unit. isnt it? All biochemical processes involve matter. Isnt it? Then tell me where matter originated from and stop repeating same nonesense defence..

Kay 17: I think you made an assertion that LIFE came before everything, and yet say life had an origin! Pls do resolve this conflict in your opinion.

Also, the only reason for a cause is in the case of complexities. The Universe can be broken down into bits which form other entities and is the background. In another sense, everything had always existed. For example, a boeing 747 is made of metal, composite and other materials, those materials are the combinations of smaller items like iron or plastic. . And one can keep breaking it down, BUT you will never reach nothing.

Our theist brothers like blackteeth, want us to believe an absurdity/fantasy that before everything was nothing!! Absolute emptiness and void, and in an ACT of MAGIC/supernatural/irrationality a life form called god caused itself. This being is far complex than the Universe, its omniscoent, omnipresent, omnietc. But god is needed to create matter from a void and with a design which can't be explained!! An omnipotent being designs in voids!! Probably god is a god of pointless ceremonies.

I also want to THANK the Sun for its gift of life and the energy/strength it gives earth everyday. The Sun is unconscious, yet it gives earth life

If you are refering to God as life, then we dont know about its origin. But if you are refering to humans as life, then it has an origin.

For your second paragraph, are you saying everything has no begining of existence?

If nothing created the sun to give life on earth like you believe, why is it impossible for nothing to create a supernatural being to create the sun and life?

logicboy: Epic fail, you think you're smart by asking me questions that would make me have to write 10 pages explaining. Ypu can research he information on sediments, magma and crystalization which all have nothing to do with God

I have shown you how sand is formed without the involvement of a creator. Rocks have 3 different natural methods of forming without a creator. You can wikipedia it.

However, you have failed to answer my question, where is the proof that God is involved in any natural process?

Dont tell me you dont understand my question. Now to make it clear and easy for you, where did the matter that makes up magma, sediments and every other thing come from? Thats the question

logicboy: Did God make the ingredients? No proof exists of God making the ingredients? Rocks have 3 different ways of forming that have nothing to do with a creator- they occur natrually. No creator there. So you lose

You didnt answer my question. I ask again, WHERE DID THE NATURAL ROCK MATERIALS OR INGREDIENTS COME FROM?

logicboy:

Clearly, if sand comes from divided rock and mineral particles, we can see that God didnt create sand if even he exists because you can only say that he created the minerals. However, there is no proof that he created the minerals but there is proof that he didnt create the sand.

You didnt explain where the rock came from that produced the sand. And also where the indgredients that produced the rock came from.

logicboy: I have already explained how lighting and sand naturally occur without God (Sand through rocks and wind.....lightening electrical charges in clouds). If lightenting and sand already occur without God as millions of other natural processes occur without him, why should we start believing that God created nature without any shred of evidence.?

Boom! That's the sound of your argument being blown to pieces!

And what is the evidence that lightning and sand were not made by a creator? You explained how these things occur but didnt provide evidence that a God has no input in the processes involved.

Did you not read my post on fulgurite? Are lightening and sand conscious? No, but when lightening strikes sand at certain temparatures, the sand turns into glass.
It must be heartbreaking to see all your creationist attempts destroyed. Intelligent design has been destroyed as unscientific, the bible has been proven to have errors, christianity has been shown to support slavery and murder etc.
Your religious bubble has burst and you cant take it

I cant stop laughing. If lightning and sand produce fulgerite glass, then what produces lightning and sand? You may say atomic reactions, but what produced atoms?

logicboy: The conditions were right?

Dead humans can produce new life it- helps maggot feed and also increases bacterial activity during decomposition.

Am I too good for you?

Yea you are good at cooking up cock and bull to answer critical questions. Did I mention new life and maggots? Didnt I ask can dead humans produce new body cells like a dead universe creating things? Anything unconcious can not do any activity without any external force mobilizing it.. Simple

logicboy: What about my post on this thread destroying the OP's argument?

Which post? The mould growing in your brain? Is mould the only thing existing? What about other stuffs? How did thousands of different things come into existence in a dead universe as you claim? Can cells be produced in a dead human?

logicboy: The title of this thread is "a heavy blow to the atheists"......all I'm seeing is your failed creationist theory receiving multiple knockout blows

Is that all you can say? Another LOSER!!

ea7: u say d 'unconscious dead'universe made god? Lol silly.

According to you there is no God. Right? You said creation occured on its own. Isnt it? And am using your words to ask you what if the universe created God out of nothing like you said things were created?

ea7: they probably would have had to evolve taste buds to enjoy the food, the ones who couldnt enjoy the food, probably died of starvation. Thats my take on it. Off topic:please comment on my bible review thread.

what is evolving their taste buds to make them find apple tasty?

logicboy: A God would then need to be created first. God is not natural, god is supernaural

Why dont you think the universe created God first and then God Created lightning and sand?

logicboy: 1) Sand is a naturally occurring granular material composed of finely divided rock and mineral particles while lightening is an atmospheric electrical discharge (spark) accompanied by thunder, usually associated and produced by cumulonimbus clouds, but also occurring during volcanic eruptions or in dust storms. Did God create lightening and sand? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand

2) I use mold because it destroys your argument. Simple

3) ? I am not a christian. Nothing is made perfectly. Nature is not perfect

If lightning and sand can come up without creation, why dont you think a God can come up without creation and create the world?

ea7: apple trees dont produce food for humans, humans developed a taste for apples and such to be able to take in nutrients and survive.

Did humans develop their taste organ for apples themselves? Didnt they just taste it and found out it was good to eat? So what developed the sensation of taste for humans?
And how come an apple produces seeds for procreation?

logicboy: Lol, this is another version of Intelligent design. You creationists will always fail.

1) How is fulgurite created? Fulgurite is glass created when lightening strikes sand. Creationist like you would say that God created fulgurite before science comes and proves that it was a natural occurrence of lightening striking sand.

2) Have you not seen plants growing on walls that are moist/damp? If you have a damp basement you can see fungi/mold growing on the walls. Did God create the mold or were the conditions just right? How do you know that the conditions for the universe beginning were not just right taking millions of years to come together?

3) What is intelligent? Are human beings an intelligent creation? We have bodies that are not perfect for our environment- 70% of the world is water which we can not survive in. What is an inelligent creator- A creator that creates a universe, most of which we know has no life, for no apparent reason? An intelligent creator that creates animals all of which have the liablity of getting extinct? A creator that makes human beings that can choke on their own food? A creator that makes the human jaw too small for the teeth it holds?

Where did lightning and sand come from?

Why did you use mold as an example? Why not use an apple tree that produces food for humans and also produces a seed to continue its existence? Is this by chance?

Who proved to you that everything was made perfectly apart from what the bible says?

^^^^The scope only includes proving the existence of creator. Jssus christ is not the issue here.

Goshen360: Bros, abeg leave these Atheists alone please I beg of you. Leave them to believe whatever they want to believe please. God bless you.

I enjoy slapping their dumb reasoning.

ea7: lol stupid.

Is that all you can say? LOSER!!

The reason am posting this as a new topic is because I believe the content of this post is heavy enough to give the atheist a shattering blow and a run for their brains. So I want many atheists as possible to see this and save themselves more embarasment.

First I want to tell these atheists to disregard what the bible and christians say about God and think independently because the bible seems to contain some flaws. Therefore it should not be the sole instrument to decide whether a creator exists or not.


Since the atheist ruled out the presence of an intelligent living creator and claim creation happened out of nothing and by chance, then it means that the universe is dead and unconcious, and this unconcious universe intelligently created more than 100,000 different things at its unconcious state. WOW!! This is just the same as saying that houses, cars, phones, bridges, shoes etc are built by dead and unconcious men. MY PEOPLE IS THIS POSSIBLE CAN A DEAD AND UNCONCIOUS THING CREATE MILLIONS OF DIFFERENT INTELLIGENTLY WELL DESIGNED THINGS HOW CAN AN UNCONCIOUS UNIVERSE CREATE INTELLIGENT CONCIOUS HUMAN BEINGS WHO CANT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE UNCONCIOUS UNIVERSE CREATED? Lol. Hahahaha. If I tell atheists that a certain house was built by dead men will they believe me So why should athiests believe that millions of different intelligently made things were created by a dead and unconcious universe? Now if you believe that the universe conciously created everything, that conciousness is what is called God, and not necessarily a man with a long beard and other characteristics that humans have used to describe him.

Martian: Why do you think the universe is designed? Are you sure you're not projecting your human views to the universe as a whole? If you insist on intelligent design, then there must be a purpose? What is the purpose of your god(whatever it is that intelligently designed the universe) ? Why do you think it's singular?



You are assuming "god" has a gender when you don't even know if it exists talk less of the gender.

There is no proof of a gendered God for now and thats it.
Now Why has the universe stop manufacturing things like you think it did on its own? Why are we not seeing the universe produce new creatures till the current day? Dont you think the universe is under a power that halted further manufacturing?

Concerning the purpose of creation, Like I said earlier, humans think the have answers to everything but they dont.

logicboy: Science says the world is 4.5 billion years, your bible says it's 6,000

Forget what the bible says and think independently.