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ramalot: Again, it is not the atheists burden to prove the non-existence of god, it is the theist's burden to prove his existence.

That said, i'll still say the argument about a "perfect" universe, hence, the existence of a god is really empty.
If your proof of god is that god placed the earth at a "perfect" distance from the sun n bla bla, then since the same
god created the universe, was he sleeping when he placed mercury that close to it? or Uranus that far from it?

or the cliche "oh, look at nature's perfection like the sky, the seas n bla bla" it must have been created by an intelligent being. On
the other hand it brings up the question of who created the volcanoes that erupt, or the shifts in the earth's core that cause earthquakes,
or the tornadoes currently dealing with the mid-west.

What you forget is that these are "natural" disasters. Hence, if a perfect being made nature in his infinite perfection, and all these
natural disasters still occur, perishing innocent babies n people around the world, then you need to ask yourself how perfect this alleged creator is.

The statement in bold is so dumb. Are there living things in mercury or Uranus that should be kept a safe distance from the sun?

Martian: What is an unseen spirit force? What is a God?

God is whatever it is that intelligently designed the universe and supervised entire creation whether through evolution or other means. it is not necessarily the man in long beards you know. It could be in the form of anything.

How did you know the gender of this God thing?

Nobody knows the true gender of God. That is not the issue here.

Maybe it's the wind. Maybe it's the spring mechanism

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What if there was no wind?

Maybe your battery died. Maybe the your phone's software malfunctioned. Maybe your phone is too old and needs a replacement!!

lol.Ok. All Your three phones switched off with full batteries.

Why a Creator. What about a Joint Venture consisting of four creators?

Yes its possible.

Kay 17: Aint you mocking your God's powers? What you said ought to be heresy. IF God already has knowledge on all future events and actions with the results, and knows the thought of every man, why would he test ppl? For what end?

Here we go again. Thats why I adviced your colleage to forget what christians or the bible says about God and think from a different angle. You will understand better. Christians and moslems are giving God a false description without knowing it. The real God isn't known yet.

mkmyers45: You are going to hell then #BonVOYAGE

Is that all you can say? I guess you have lost the case.
A GOD OF THE UNIVERSE EXISTS AND NOT A GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS OR BIBLE.
Get this to your head.

ea7: then does it matter if god exists or not?

lol. I see you are out of ammunition. Why not accept God exists?

Kay 17: The Universe's laws guide such transformation of simplicity to grand complexities. For example, take a handful of sand and spill it into a bowl of water. With time u find the particles had settled and order.

The Sun, stars, galaxies, snowflakes are very complex bodies crafted by Nature

Ok. Now tell me why nature isnt crafting out new humans like it did before. Last time I checked, all humans are coming out from the womb. Tell why we are not witnessing any current nature crafting taking place.
Lol. Am enjoying this mehn.

ea7: a perfect god can make imperfect objects. Lol. Also, christians hold that there is a soul, and adam ande eve sinned and spread their sin nature to human kind.
God makes the soul. So how does this supposed nature spread. Does god hmself put the nature in the souls, if so why is it humanity's fault for sinning, if not then who?.
Besides, no one held a gun to yahwh or any of the other jewish gods (yes yahweh and elohim were separate originally) and said make more humans. The original sin doctrine popped into existence around paul's time.

Now I can see the problem you have. And that is exactly what has blocked your mind to recognize the existence of a supernatural being.
Your problem is you have shaped your ideology based solely on what the bible and christians say. You dont think from a fresh perspective. Now let me tell you bro, am not a christian or muslim and I dont consider whatever is written in the bible as I think about God's existence.
What is the proof that God is an imperfect God? There is none yet. And what is the proof about adam and eve transfering their sinful nature to the rest of humans? There is none yet. Please stop considering what christians say and think out of the box. You will do better to understand God's existence. I dont believe what the christians say to describe God, BUT AM SURE THERE IS A CREATOR.

Logic Mind: i agree that your brain power is limited. Infact i will go as far as saying that it is fogged by the god illusion.

Then tell me what intelligently designed you if there is no designer.

mkmyers45: Nature directed all things...

Answer this question; Is nature a living or non living thing?
Secondly, what is the proof that nature directed all creation?

mkmyers45: So you dont know that a human can come up without birth?

You mean without using a sp.erm and egg? Where did it happen
please? Tell me.

mkmyers45: La Vèsté how then can you describe and proof this god?

This God is not in the same level with humans. We humans have an inferior intellect compared with God. Humans are not the masters of the universe. The earlier you realize this the better. Humans cannot explain many things we see, so how do you expect humans to describe an unseen spirit force? The clue God left for us is the intelligence behind creation.
You dont have to see God before before knowing his powers exist.
Let me give you an illustration, what if you try to exit a door and the door closes and shuts itself? Then you tried exiting through the window and the window shuts itself. You tried making a call and your phone switches off. You tried to scream and your lips sealed off. Wouldnt you conclude that an unseen intelligent force is behind it? But you never saw it.

Kay 17: If one is to build a house or a car, one MUST take into consideration and conform to physical laws of the universe for it to stand, ie gravity, laws of motion etc. Just the same way a pile of sand is a better design than a skyscraper with five minutes to stand.

The Universe: being everything that exists; serves as the platform in which everything makes sense, which demands the necessary design of all objects, in order words, for objects to survive they must conform to these laws. Rationality and order both are the result of these background laws and why Science can work.

On the question on the cause of everything. In the absence of everything will be nothing. Nothing in its nature is barren and to expect everything or anything to aruse from will imply a contradiction. It like pulling a rabbit from an empty hat. As a result, everything must exist either in actuality or potential. The materials that make up the universe: namely matter had always existed in its simplest form.

In my view, for any form to exist in this universe, it must "work". Failed designs crumble.

For a human to exist, each unit must work together with the entire system to produce a human. Each unit cant stand alone. Are you saying that the more than 1000 units of the human system just started working together by chance without any force directing and mobilizing them to produce a specific end product?

ea7: they are a? Get an english teacher fast, ae you sure you aren't one of those jamb fails.
@op i have myopia and asthma. Many children are born with downsyndrome and sickle cell. And yet you say intelligent design. Screw you and the designer then!!!

Are you saying that if you see a single building without a roof, it means that humans don't construct buildings Do you make sense at all? Its better saying there is a God who didnt make all things perfectly than saying there is no God at all.

mkmyers45: Hmmm so its no longer about a xtain god but a force? mother nature?

Yes its better I put it that way cos the God worshiped by christians or muslims may have been portrayed in a wrong way. But by saying "intelligent force" I mean a God that humans know nothing about and not given whatsoever false descriptions.

With all the nairaland tribalism, dont expect Ngozi okonjo iweala to be loved by the yoruba folks. Simple

mkmyers45: 98% of human Dna are that of apes that evolve time from single-celled organism. Gravity are made possible by stars and the earth is NOT hanging but revolving. Which god are you talking about?

How did the single cell multiply and organize themselves to form a complex and well organized system without anything directing it? You think thats possible?

Kay 17: Where did God come from??

Stop asking this silly question. You have to first explain where humans came from supported with practical demonstration to produce a human without birth before asking where an unseenspirit God came from.
When would you realize that your brain power is limited? The issue of where God came from is where our brain power ended.

mkmyers45: then how did it happen since you dont believe the bible..

I don't know how it happened cos I wasn't a witness. But what I do know is that there is more powerfull and intelligent force who put all things in place in a fastatic way. Asking where this force came from and why we don't see it wasn't meant for us to understand yet. Even if evolution is true, it must have a driving force and a supervisor steering its direction. It can't be by blind chance that I have eyes to see, teeth to chew, ears to analyse sound.
Now what is your problem with Gods existence?

mkmyers45: Man dosent have power? *face palm*..Look chump are you trying to avoid answers? ok. 1. Does the creation make more sense than the evolution theory? 2. what does it mean for something to be patterned by your image and likeness. how do you want people to know God? Through satans bible?

You repeated same questions and let me explain again. If man has supernatural powers same with God why can't he stop himself from dying? Why can't he create a human being from scratch? Why can't he control the forces of nature and save himself from being a victim of natural disasters?
Secondly, YES the creation story makes more sense because the level of organization shows an intelligent force is behind it. Though I dont believe it happened the way genesis described it. God may have still created things through evolution which you uphold.
Now are you saying God and man are equal simply because genesis said he was created in Gods image? Is that what you mean?

mkmyers45: is this your answer to my question?

I asked for specifics so I would know where to take you from.

mkmyers45: and in whose image are you made?

Listen, if genesis said man was created in God's image it doesnt mean man also took an image of God's power and intellect. Man doesnt have such powers as we can clearly see.
I thought you are an unbeliever. Why are you relying on the bible?

ea7: um nope. if you r christian then read ur genesis, man and god r equal intellectually. my dog is much smarter than jehosuckmycock

Where did genesis say man and God are equal? This is absolutely false please. If man and God are equal then why cant man explain everything he seeks to demystify? Why is man weak and powerless in a face of death?

ea7: there isnt. done.
if there is , who designed the designer, and who designed that designer ad infinitum.

Let me tell you something bro. It is a big mistake to think that your brain can demystify everything. Some things are far above our understanding. A dog will never understand what we humans do, and thats how humans will never understand the affairs of an intellectually superior God.

mkmyers45: Does the religion creation stories make more sense?

What is exactly the problem you have with the creation story?

Logic Mind: i don't think of it as there is no such force.

Then what do you think it is? By chance?

Goshen360: @ OP,

They will start going in circles in their answers. I asked them some kweshions and guess what; unknowing to all of them that answered my kweshions, they fell into the trap of the questions to prove there is God.

I will expose their folly later.

Just understood you.

mkmyers45: They are so many ways to look at it. From a profane point we can assume there is a creator who made all things or it is possible to look at it from a darwanian Pov coupled with the amount of facts it has to show. Adaptation of animals and plants to enviroment over time is humanly and scientifically possible but i dont buy the world religions crap either so it boils down to which makes more sense...Darwin definitely does tell a whole lot more than religious fable. P.s: Atheist No Open minded yes

What kind of adaptation are you talking about? Does it explain what created the first thing from which adaptation started taking place?

logicboy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhdUp4JOHwg

Whats the content of the video? I cant watch it. Am mobile.

Am a newcomer to the debate. So let me start from here first.
Where are the atheists?

I searched through some threads debating the existence of God to get answers to this question but its difficult to get one cos there are many posts to scan through. Therefore I decided it will be easier getting the answer by opening a new thread.
Now my question is; What do atheists think is the force that intelligently designed the existing things in the universe? In other words, what kind of force is responsible for making different animals exist in pairs of male and female?
What kind of force knew that animals would chew food and therefore placed grinding teeths in their mouth?.
What kind of force knew that animals would feed and therefore produced plant seeds for the animals to feed on?

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