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Proudly pro-North. The only sane creatures in Nigeria.
I have no side in this except the Nigerian side which the North stands for.
Don't care about the Middle Belt either. They need to learn to fight like men for one,
Do not make baseless assumptions.
Thank you

Good to see this thread has progressed thus far. . . the Igbos and Yorubas in the old Nigerian military playing out themselves. . . 
They never disappoint I tellya.

tpia1
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Re: Why Blame The North And West For Biafra
« #111 on: December 18, 2010, 07:08 AM »

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@ vicenzo

puzzled by your definition of neutral.

@ blazay

kindly look for whoever called you an almajiri since i doubt it was me, therefore there's nothing to remember about it.

as per where your oil money is sitting, follow the yellow brick road as the garamantjes would tell you.

Of course. . . only one that can read and understand the meaning of the word 'neutral' could also apply it. Not you for sure. Anyone can see I am posting objectively and as it relates to this topic. Any contributions?

Awwwwwwwwww.
How generous.
That is why we already have Jonathan remember?
Nigeria does not need you.

I dey [b]w[/b]uagh!

blacksta:
ode

Don't let it pain you too much eh?


Goooooooooooooo "TiKkkkkkkkkkkkkkkku"!!!!

2011 elections will determine Nigeria’s future – Buhari

The only meaningful statement in the whole write-up.

I agree. . . If Jonathan gets it. . .Nigeria is definitely going doooooooooooooooooooown!

Gooooooooooooo "Tikkkkkkku"!!!

Let them disqualify you. . .

Let them roast!

When you fight corruptions. . . corruption fights back.

Do not be intimidated. . . .let them do their worst!


I dey your side. . . .


Goooooooooooooooo "Tikkkku"!!!!

Will I see temptation right in front of me and embrace it?

I bet you did not tell her the reason huh?
"I don't like her" is the diplomatic version.
Tell her the real reason and she may be more undertanding of your true situation.

Why don't you suggest to her to interview some other prospects so it does not seem like you do not want her to get a maid at all?

No. Men may keep off their wedding bands for other reasons than the intention to maintain extra-marital affairs.
The wedding band does not stop women from jumping into bed with the married men.
But it gets uncomfortable(especially with one-night-stands) for the single women seeing it since it sometimes has a reality-shock of several occurences while being seen with these married men.
So, the married men may sometimes keep the wedding rings off to avoid the discomfort from the other party or some 'guilt' pangs.
But not with the married women.

Vote:Sometimes.

This is really affecting my faith as I am considering getting a sex and romantic partner and probably a second wife, but am afraid of many things, especially for the sake of my brilliant 3+ year old son.
I just need a serious advice from sensible Nlanders. No Jokes pls

You need to get a girlfriend.
I think your wife has max'd out on you.
Sorry, not a joke.
I most certainly would and leave her to her coldness.

She could ruin your sexual and mental health for ever.
Who wants to lay down with a cold fish every night?
Arrrrrrrrrrrrantus Nonsensicus!

zayhal:
You speak in parables. I don't quite understand you.

My first line says it all.
I don't know any.
Not an important factor in my marriage.
Most men are not faithful boyfriends, so why expect them to be faithful husbands?
Women and their issues I tellya.

You women worry too much. Like others have advised, you need to ignore him and let him indulge in his fantasies which are unavoidable.
You spend time trying to snatch another woman's man.
Then you spend more time trying to keep other women from snatching your man.

You need to keep busy.
Most men would remember a good ex or a few good exes.
You cannot erase such memories.

But I don't think any wise man should share such things with his wife or girlfriend knowing how insecure and idle women can be.
An idle brain is most definitely the devil's workshop.
Don't feed the trolls.

Which Kuti is this?
A DNA is needed sharp-sharp.

This must be OBJ-Kuti. A stiking resemblance to Iyabo OBJ-BEL.

@topic
We all have our issues right?

tpia1:
surely you can be pettier than this.

your claim was majority of the oil money is concentrated in western nigeria.

how does people's daughters' weddings correlate with western nigeria.


if you're tired go to sleep abeg.

nl will be here while you rest, if the hunkers dont deem it threatening.

Just a humorous angle sir. . . to show how we tastefully squander this oil wealth belonging to our darling "One Nigeria" huh?
On a more serious note. . . the oil money of our "One Nigeria" is sitting pretty in the West.
Just used Adenuga as an example.
Too lazy to do any digging right now. . .

Besides, why should I educate you?
I am the almajiri remember?

Good morning all.

Over and out. .  .today is my Chieftancy title-taking day.
See you all in 2 days if I survive the festivity.

Chief Blazay says 'over and out'!

strangerf:
@Vicenzo

Can you read at all?
"remember he once said that if the east secced the west would secced:" Hey try to learn the correct spelling of the word secede, ok!   What he said was that, if by error of omision or commision, [size=16pt]the East was allowed to leave,[/size] the West would leave as well.

[size=16pt]He never told Ojukwu to embark on his self serving escapade. It is only an idiotic that would misinterprete what Awo said in Ibadan, in the presence of Ojukwu, to mean that the East should go ahead with their ill advised plan to commit suicide[/size].

But the truth is that awo was a fox,he was never interested in secceding like he made ojukwu believe,he made banjo betray ojukwu: Now I want to believe that was a joke, innit?

ojukwu wasnt able to see through awo's deceit: Even If that was thru, whose fault is it? Should you not be blaming yourself for allowing an ignoramus like Ojukwu lead you into war you could never have won in a million year?


he was so sure that want awo wants is for the west to be freed from the north hence his appointment of a yoruba man to lead the march to lagos.: Go back and read the first paragraph of the article posted by @Katsumoto, and you will realize how stupit you sound. Please read before posting crap.

hahahahahahahahhahahahahhahaaaaa

My belle o!

Exactly what Awo said after he said this.

[size=16pt]"remember he once said that if the east secede the west would secede:"[/size]

Mu he he he he

cap28:
killers with balls my arse - primitive barbarians you mean, the true test of a soldier is his ability to defend the soverign integrity of his own nation or the ability to invade and annex other nations - isnt it strange how it took these supposed soldiers 4 years to defeat biafra - and this was with the combined might of british, russian and egyptian support.  You see these illiterates who were mere infantry men did not even have the tactical skill to prosecute a conventional war, if biafra had had the support that nigeria had, these northern peasants would have been decimated in droves.

Or father bastards all over Africa in Liberia and Sierra-Leone.
Absolutely correct! Biafra would have won hands down if you had the support of your 'cowardly' brothers of the South.
But we know about them not so.
History is about to repeat itself.
Watch OBJ and GEJ closely.
Educated illiterate!

tpia1:
and which western nigeria is that.

the same west with no roads, no potable water, no electricity and little infrastructure?

We must be referring to different "wests" in nigeria because last time i checked, potomac, millionaires row in the Uk, and other posh hangouts overseas are indeed in the western world, but outside africa, though i could be wrong.

since everywhere benefits from our nigerian generosity.

Yet the North has better roads. With all the education o.
Ask your Yoruba peeps what they did with their own share of the oil o.
Adenuga spent some on his daughter's wedding.
All Yaradua's daughters' weddings did not consume 1/10th of what Adenuga spent.

strangerf:
Interesting! Glad to know at last
True that!

Oh, you did not know. . . please go and read it up.
Let these daft Igbos think the Hausas have control of the oil.
Why do they think Awo was so willing to sell out Ojukwu?

Mu he he he he

Too bad the Hausas are not greedy peeps. . . like the Yoruba. Only one gbese billionaire we know of. Dangote!

Mu he he he he

The rest can be found in Yoruba land.

Awo?

Oh. . . the liars!
Awo was a big liar and a coward.
Helped to cut off the supplies to the Igbos too.
Who are they deceiving. Ask the Norrherners the role he played.

cap28:
You are a real fool - do you know that, only a fool could reason the way you do, what does it matter who the architect of the plot was , the point is it was done for a legitimate reason - to clear out those illiterate bas.tards who were intent on dragging nigeria backwards  ,  try researching a topic before making st.upid and baseless claims, even Obasanjo who was Nzeogwu's roomate at the nigerian military training college stated categorically in his book "An Intimate Portrait of Kaduna Nzeogwu" that Nzeogwu and Ironsi were not tribalists and that the coup was not an igbo coup.

If you dont care what the reasons were behind the coup why whine and complain about the current state taht nigeria is in, your illiterate basta.rd brethren succeeded in hijacking a nation that had so much potential and transformed it into an extension of their backward caliphate, you must be so proud of your illiterate brothers.

And I say you are a goat! A REAL GOAT to think you could deal with that level of corruption with a bungled coup amongst highly treacherous animals of the South like you had then. . .even worse now. The same corruption you have today you still cannot address. . . after how many coups? Now you have MEND.

And you illiterate bastards who couldnt compete academically with southerners becasue you were still stuck in the stone age are the brave warriors? Brave warriors who targeted innocent defenceless igbo men women and children because of extreme jealousy and inferiority complex.

Good. . .keep competing with your 'academia'. . .We know that there is no difference btw illiterate bastards and callous military men in uniform eh?
Who needs primary six education to deal with traitors from your Southern part of Nigeria? Just send JTF to whip them into shape.
Moo moo. If you were smart then you would have understood the 'cultural and religious' climate you were dealing with to embark on such nonsense. No better today with all your education. . .the aboki and his cows are still better off than the rest of you.

Is it not bette to be an illiterate than a semi-educated half-baked illiterate with misinformation for education?

Has nigeria been coup free since July 66?  Were igbos responsible for the coups of 76,84, 85 and 93 - you are a prize fool in need of an education.

Thanks for setting the pace. . . thank your lucky stars the outside world intervened. We would not have stopped at Abiola.

To describe them as being paranoid would mean according them human traits, how can a genocidal beast be capable of paranoia, how can a beast capable of splitting open a pregnant woman's stomach be categorised as a human being?

Did you not do the same at Saduana's and Akintola's residences in 1966? Where did you think the Northerners got the idea? Friendly fire huh?
Moo moo! Cry me a river.

Mu he he he he he. . . .

Okpara and Osadebey were in the country during the time of the coup you fool -[b] both of them were placed under house arrest- please go and acquaint yourself with your history as you are an embarrassment, only Zik was out of the country on medical leave, medical leave which had been approved prior to his departure by Balewa.

You pig! House arrest my toe! Did you place Balewa under house arrest? Was that the plan or were they supposed to be killed?

You must think everyone is as dumb and braindead as yourself - your illiterate subhuman brothers had been instructed by their masters the british NOT TO SECEDE - they were too st.upid to even understand that secession would leave them worse off, as a matter of fact the americans threatened to cut off any form of economic aid to them if they seceded because all they had to survive was arid desert - when they realised they could hide under the cloak of fake unity and also get rich off the wealth of the south they started bleating on about unity - you and them are complete scum.

Damn right. . .you secede. Keep the oil behind and move. It is Nigeria's property. Not Biafras. Ewu! Go and kidnap Bakassists for a living. Till that oil dries up. . .we are one.  One Nigeria o. . . One Nigeria. Thanks to the British and the Americans. . .at least we understand each other better now. Good news. . . PCHN works better in the North than in the South. Our cows do not need all that electricity. Tell Adenuga and co to loan you some money. Moo moo.

Majority of the oil wealth is concentrated in the western part of Nigeria.

Katsumoto:
It is obvious that you are completely ignorant of the events of that era. Nzeogwu was recruited approximately 4 months before the coup. The plot started sometime in 1963 or thereabout. Ifeajuna was the leader and he had been in planning with Anuforo, Okafor, and others.
You were expecting civilians to go into battle against trained soldiers who had resources to wage a military campaign? Your hate will not allow you to be rational.

You are not serious.
Your collective actions to this day to not attest to this fact. Even in the absence of military campaigns. . . you still act anti-Nigerian. What excuse won't you give for western cowardice? Yes, I hate your treacherous natures and the way you deal with each other even in the absence of war and military warfare.

Good. . . you mentioned Ifejuna, Okafor and Anuforo. . . All Igbos right? Nzeogwu was still the brain power behind it. . . otherwise, Ifejuna and co would not have had the impetus to do it alone. May I also remind you that Ifejuna and co dropped the ball in Lagos. . . while Ejor and co just about lost it in the East. . . not to mention the inconsequential Mid West. How do you explain that to the 'abokis' in the North? Especially as WE all know they are 'ZOMBIES' according to US.

Please, tell me what else I do not know?

strangerf:
You dont have to say that

lets be civil Blazay

You should try and understand his point and the make up of the Military at that point.
The Military then, and to some extent till today, was a northern institution while western education was the forte of the southwest.
The country, then, was lopsided in terms of representation in various institutions and [bt]he Yorubas just could not have matched them, skill-wise, nunber-wise, and tactic-wise
Its like white people using their military institution to oppress the Blacks, WTF?

Taking a deep breath.
Perhaps. . . just perhaps for once in your lives. . . if you had united as southerners. . . including the abandoned property chasers of the South. . . with a common goal. . . the North would not have run rough shod unchecked all the way to Biafra. That set the tone for Nigerian politics to this day. There is always an excuse for cowardice. . . like the reason why Okpara and Ironsi (thanks to Ejor and co)were not killed during the first coup by the 'Igbo man' Nzeogwu. Or don't tell me the 'non-commissioned' Hausa junior officers were given this major task huh?

You aided in the starvation of the Igbos. True or false?

Now. . .thanks to y'all. . .the only killers with balls come from the North.

Gedddit?

vicenzo:
@katsumoto. "if there were no northern soldiers in the west our position would be different" .Katsumoto can u explain to me what awo meant by this statement?

Yoruba cowardice of course.  how did the soldiers get there in such large numbers over nignt? "If there were no northern soldiers in the west our position would be different" my balls! The Northern soldiers have 2 heads huh?
The old man nor get shame sef! After secretly conniving with them. Trust him to come out in writing to say the exact opposite. Typical Yoruba I tellya.

Unfortnately for Nzeogwu. . . this same Awo was to be released from Calabar to be installed as Nigeria's head huncho. The way they play each other who knows? To this day too, and you wonder why the North is still soooo paranoid about your activities all over Nigeria. The level of treachery is overwhelming amongst yourselves.

I am going to try to summarize this to keep things really brief here.

cap28:
let me get this right - the igbos "started this whole  mess" because a group of igbo, yoruba and northern soldiers decided to get rid of a group of corrupt politicians that had decided to place their own personal and selfish interests above the interests of the people they had been elected to serve?

Nzeogwu started the plot. Period. I don't care what the reasons were. Nzeogwu is Igbo(real or fake Igbo=igbobuigbo). . .True or false? Not a Igbo man. . .Nzeogwu!

These saboteurs who were in their midst - who were they? Are you aware that it was Aguiyi Ironsi who foiled the coup in lagos, since Aguiyi Ironsi was an igbo man and this coup was designed to enable the igbos take over - why on earth didnt he simply go along with it ? why round up and imprison all the igbo officers involved?

The Igbos, the Yorubas and the Urhobos. Except the 'puny' non-commissioned Hausas of course.

Are you aware that the northerners were given a parliamentary majority in the house of reps on the basis that they had the largest  population in nigeria, this later turned out to be bogus , however the damage had already been done, - this majority gave them more seats  than the combined seats for the eastern and western regions, why did this happen and why was this not redressed when it was discovered that the north had inflated their census figures?

Because you are lazy cowards who can't fight for your rights in the face of oppression. Now we know a coup is not the best way to fight corruption right?

YOu say what happened after the January 66 coup was outside anyone's control - why then did it take approximately 5 months for the northern soldiers to retaliate, 6 months is a long time in which to sit down and analyse events, surely they had had enough time in which to get to the root of why the January coup took place and why, its sounds to me as if this was a calculated attempt to embark on an ethnic cleansing programme - the intention being to wipe out all potential igbo opposition from the nigerian army once and for all.

They became extremely paranoid of course. Do you blame them? That was the evil seed sown by the first 'Igbo man's' coup in Nigeria.

by the way  after the relentless massacre of igbo officers and NCO's why did northern soldiers extend these killings to igbo men women and children living in northern towns - sounds again like there was a concerted effort by northern soldiers to perpetrate the genocide of igbo men women and childdren
were the northern soldiers unaware of the corruption going on in nigeria

How could they understand that when the coup was ill-planned and poorly executed to make Okpara, Zik and Osadebey. . .mysteriously M.I.A?

or did they place ethnic loyalty to their sardauna and the caliphate above national loyalty to the nigerian people - if they were so aggreived at the loss of their sardauna why didnt they just secede from the rest of the country as initially threatened by murtala muhammed(a major participant in the massacre of igbo soldiers)?

Too late.
ARABA could not happen because water had already passed the bridge and the British had stepped in. Oil had been discovered in Nigeria.

Oh well. . . .I tried.
Go convince someone else.

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You may call it limited. I have read and re-read all the sordid details and will not bother to even rationalize them.
I will just simplify them. . .just to make things simple here. I do not intend to make this a history class. This thread calls for 'Why blame the North and the West for Biafra'?
Main points.

The Igbos are solely responsible for Biafra. Ojukwu was stubborn and did not listen and did not care about the consequences of his actions.
So, what is false about that. The role of the Yorubas. . . Ask Awo.

strangerf:
Did you read the article posted by Katsumoto?

Nigeria was not a confederation, there were no borders stopping the north from invading the west. The British handed the machineries of the military to the North

Yeah right! What were you doing when the Northerners sent the army to the west?

strangerf:
If you were an Iraqi in 2003, would you have advised your loved ones to enlist in the Iraqi army? Knowing fully well that the US Army was just unmatchable, both in skill and tactics.
Did you see this:

Oh well. . . if you were not going to enlist, then you had no business opening your borders to the Northerners to go on a killing rampage either.
Sir!

Best case scenario. . .you stay neutral. Did you?
Typical Yoruba.

I ask again. . .after all that fancy speech. . .what did Awo do?

He wanted a united Nigeria indeed. Because the British had whispered in your ears that there was oil in the South.

Make I hear sointin I begggi!

strangerf:
^^^

Blazay be honest for once


Look at Awo's transparency

He was completely honest with Ojukwu

I am actually interested in your unbiased honest view, please!

Honestly, Awo played both sides. He sat on the fence. He was not honest.
What did he stand to gain but to save the Yoruba special neck in the whole process?

Ojukwu was stubborn. He was short-sighted and dogmatic in his views. He ended up making a worse mistake than Nzeogwu by mortgaging civilian lives for his selfish ambitions.

Knowing that the war was inevitable, Awo should have supported Ojukwu to avoid the North invading Biafra. OR STAYED NEUTRAL.
But hey. . .being the promise of abandoned property to the Ijaws and other non-speaking Igbo Southerners was too much to pass up.
It was open Sesame on Biafra from then on.

Treachery upon treachery.

Here we are today. . . back to square one.

^^^

It was an Igbo thing because of Ojukwu.
Did he ever think for one minute he would get the support of Awolowo?
He shed a lot of innocent blood on that account.
He had his own ambition to rival Nzeogwu of course.

He did not support Nzeogwu's coup but went ahead to plan to secede after the coup?
The Aburi theory was not going to fly. So why did he bother?

^^^

Yup. . . .the sad Yoruba connection. Please don't remind us.

cap28:
Its really strange how your analysis of the January 66 coup focuses in on one day rather than throwing light on the circumstances that led up to the 15 january 66 coup.

I dont know whether you are deliberately being disingenuous or whether you are just ignorant of your own history,  - prior to the Jan 66 coup, igbos constituted the majority of middle grade ranking officers in the nigerian army , the bulk of the majors in the nigerian army were igbo  while the majority of the junior ranking officers were northerners.  This would mean that when superior ranking officers retired igbo officers would be next in line as  commanding officers to lower ranked northerners.  the igbo officers at the time were well educated, intelligent and very capable, by contrast many of the northerners were uneducated and were concentrated in infantry divisions.

Igbo officers made up the bulk of the officer corp, many northern politicians were very concerned about this and wanted this "imbalance" redressed as they were fearful of what they saw as "the igbos taking over".  Rather than compete honorably with their southern peers  they resorted to cheating - the northern politicians intervened and lowered the educational entry requirements for officers by making the entrance exam less rigorous they also introduced a "quota system". Northerners were allocated a 50% share of the recruitment quota while easterners and westerners were allocated 25%  each. the effect of this was that it became easier for northerners to gain entry into the nigerian army.

Many northerners such as IBB, sani abacha, dimka, jerry useni  and  murtala muhammed were beneficiaries of this quota system - funny how these people went on to become regulars in the execution of coup d'etats in nigeria which resulted in the clock being turned back in the economic and political development of nigeria.

Ok.
Just answer one question. Without the tirades I usually enjoy, would you say the first coup in 1966 was the brain child of Chukwuma Nzeogwu?
Sorry, I can't get past day #1. I am all eyes. We are all here to learn right?
I am trying to keep this short without long citations.