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Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm how i wish you could prove it by presenting a better performing group of people who are claiming followers of Christ!

You are not claiming follower of Christ but of Jehovah. Stop deceiving yourself!

Maximus69:
Jesus has been teaching his followers for some times, then he uttered something that sounds irritating before his own disciples who have been following him for so long, then majority of them turned away never to follow him again!

Jesus turned back and saw some of them still standing firmly behind him, so Jesus asked them "aren't you also going away with them?

Peter spoke for all Jehovah's Witnesses globally today and asked Jesus "Where else should we go? Only you have what it takes to gain everlasting life" John 6:64-69

So the same question we keep asking all those who have left JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization:-

Which GROUP are you presenting for us to go and join if we leave JW Organization?

Don't forget that we are sheep and we won't take any step if not together with the flock!

I marvel at your brainwashing! Continue, maybe one day you will be qualify to become one of the GB.

Preciousgirl:
John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

So Jesus shared Glory with the Father before even the word was, wooooow

Who is this Jesus?

Remember God shares His glory with no one

Jesus is the giver and sustainer of life! Jesus is the Creator of all things! Jesus is God!

Liveair:
Why avoid the question? I will tell you it's relevance after you answer.

I didn't avoid the question. it simply didn't matter to me, what matters is someone loves me and took my place in death. Be him white, Brown, red or purple doesn't matter.

CAPSLOCKED:
IMAGINE SINGING AND PLAYING FLUTES AND TRUMPETS FOR ETERNITY.
NO OTHER ACTIVITIES LIKE WATCHING BBN, GOING FOR A WALK AT A PARK, PRACTICING A DANCE OR GOING TO VISIT FRIENDS.. OR EVEN TAKING A NAP. IT'LL BE STRICTLY THE SAME ENDLESS CYCLE OF PRAYING AND BOWING TO GOD FOR EVER AND EVER. THIS IS STUPID. WHAT KIND OF A PLACE IS THAT??

Firstly, how did you come about this reasoning?
Secondly, the Lord who gave you this brain to know what to do for relaxation will certainly know how to treat his people to relaxation picnic.
Thirdly, in His wisdom if singing and playing flute will be the best form of relaxation for his redeemed ones for all eternity, so be it.

Liveair:
What colour was he?

To what relevance is his colour?

DappaD:
I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying Mr WizzyVine—I don't think we're on the same page here.
You and who said Jesus is the ‘creator’? Do you think I'm a trinitarian?

Confusion everywhere! I thought your GB said Jesus or Michael according to you guys was Jehovah co worker in creation.

WizzyVine:
The entire Book of Revelation was centered around Jesus and His coming kingdom with all the events that are bound to happen in-between. All the appearances of Jesus were recorded. So, if Jesus was the One fighting with His angels as you quoted, then it should read "...Jesus fought with His angels."

Note that, Michael is a Commander. He is a warrior angel who has other warring angels under him, and they all go at the bidding of the Lord Jesus. However, Michael has never in all of the Bible sent any angel on an errand, to deliver a message for Him as Jesus signified in Revelation 22.

In Daniel 10:21, we were told who Michael is. He's the guardian angel for the nation of Israel. He fights at God's command against Israel's enemies. He is not the only begotten Son of God, he's not the Word of God, he's not the one who was, who is and who is to come. Michael is not "the lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world."

Satan (the dragon) indeed owns his own angels, and his own demons, since he's the god of this world. And he's the one all darkness worship. Michael only has angels just as Buratai has soldiers.

Your last sentence further establishes that since Michael does not own angels, he is not the Lord of lords and King of kings that Jesus is. Michael who owns no angel cannot be Creator of the universe as Jesus Christ "By whom all things were made, and there was not anything made without Him that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men."

Don't mind them... They experts in defending there falsehood. So Janosky, maximus, and DappaD your so called Michael is now the wisdom of your God. Nothing musa no go see for gate!

Maximus69:
Peter and Paul knew the Scriptures very well, so they can distinguish between Jehovah and Jesus where David said
"JEHOVAH (JHVH) said to my Lord, "sit at my right hand" Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 2:34-35
Peter quoted David's Prophecy and said God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ {Act 2:36} so they knew that it's Jehovah's name which Jesus taught them {John 17:6,26} that Joel asked them to call for salvation! Joel 2:32

You are right Paul and Peter knew the scriptures very well that is why Peter addressed Jesus Christ as God in his epistle. 2 Peter 1:1_ Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and saviour Jesus Christ.

The joke is on you all keep deceiving and twisting the Word of God. Salvation is far from you all JW, because you don't believe that He is God. May the Lord God Jesus Christ have mercy on you.

GreatResearcher:
Sacrifice is when you loss something that you can recover back. E.g. Time. Tell me, was there any sacrifice there?

Jesus lost something. He lost his divine form, but not his divinity. He took on flesh and has remained so ever since.

He lost is comfort and suffered greatly for the sins which another committed.

Liveair:
Continue regurgitating fables they told you in Sunday school as a child.
A white man died for your sins in order to forgive you for a sin which he claims your ancestors committed so as to appease himself and not carry out his threat of burning you up. Lol

Point of correction: A man died for my sins, and not a white man.

Maximus69:
Jude said Jesus (Michael) told Satan "Jehovah will rebuke you" but your translation as usual replaced the divine name with Lord thereby throwing away the vital information!
Go back and check the Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures (OT) carefully, you'll find out that the translators were confused when rendering the divine name with the title Lord.
For instance @ Psalms 110:1 your translation reads "The LORD said to my Lord 'sit at my right hand'" whereas the original language says "Jehovah (JHVH) said to my Lord 'sit at my right hand'"
So when they now get to the Christian Greek Scriptures (NT) they confused the whole thing by rendering everything as Lord.
Joel said "everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah (JHVH) will be saved" Joel 2:32; Act 2:21; Romans 10:13

but your translation will read "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved"

So at Jude 9 it was Jehovah (JHVH) that Michael (Jesus) said will rebuke Satan Sir!

See how you shot yourself on the foot; Paul and Peter ascribed that divine name to Jesus Christ respectively in Acts:21 and Romans 10:13. Yet one GB somewhere is out deceiving and luring many to damnation using you guys as their foot soldiers.

Will you deny and twist it that both Peter and Paul wasn't referring to Jesus Christ while quoting Joel 2:32?. May the Lord God Jesus Christ forgive you and has for thinking and calling him angel Michael.

helinues:
You have a foreign body.

What you thought you ate in your dream is what you actually swallowed in real life...

Your dream is just like replay of the event

Go for medical check-up at standard hospital

Why do average Nigerians relate any strange things to spiritual? See the way they are even scaring the op more with their religion holaboos...

I believe you saw where he wrote that he has gone for medical check up. huh!

Acrofab:
This has lasted for over 15years. It started after I ate in the dream. Have gone for tests and nothing was found out except malaria and typhoid.

Have prayed and fasted but when it seems the movements is subsiding, I found myself eating in the dream again and the movements will increase.

It is really making life unbearable to me cos the only time I don't feel the movement is when i am sleeping.

Please if you know what I can do to free kindly let me know.

Hold firm to the word of God which says Christ has delivered you. Confess and declare it steadily and your deliverance will manifest in a short while, and you will be free from every moving object in the body.

Christ has brought you into oneness with himself, those things shouldn't be moving in your body.

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Brachaa:
I'm not the Op.

Brachaa:
I'm not the Op.

GreatResearcher:
If there story of Jesus Christ was real, these would be the two major reasons he came into the world and died for man.

1. Because his father told him he would resurrect after 3 days. If it was death without resurrection, baba no for reason nam o.

2. He was promised 'King of kings' title. HE was told he will rule the world and his name will be above every other name. Hearing this, baba was ready to die just to be ruler of the world.

Jesus never died because he love man. He died for the two reasons listed here.

Thank God the story of Jesus is fiction.

He created all things in the first place and owns it all; Death couldn't hold him down because He is life itself.

There is only one reason he came into the world as a sacrificial Lamb: John 3:16
"For God Loved the world(humanity) that he
gave his only begotten son that whosoever
believe in him should not perish but have
everlasting life."
The Son loves us with the same intensity of love the Father has for us.

Maximus69:
That's why TRINITY failed woefully to make sure PEACE reign in the midst of TRINITARIANS!

TRINITY often does everything alone, so you guys don't need to do anything to support it's work but singing, dancing around and waiting for TRINITY to bring about PEACE amongst you all by itself!

Don't bother Sir, i garrit! i garrit!!

But Jehovah created Michael (Jesus), assigned him to join in his works and ever since then Jehovah has been giving other intelligent creatures like Maximus69 and millions of his Witnesses {Hebrew 12:1} the privilege to join him as his co-workers {1Corinthians 3:9} that's why Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching and industriously teaching their neighbours in preparation for the new world, each of them is first of all humble at heart and secondly they're able to learn what righteosness truly means {Zephaniah 2:2-3} no wonder they're always noticed joyfully sharing with their neighbours what they knew {Malachi 3:16} that's why their own FAITH is working as expected {Hebrew 11:1} unlike all other religions whose FAITH is jobless and dead! James 2:18-26

Thanks Mr Emusan i'm getting the drift Sir!

You and this your Michael ish! You carry am for head like gala; I don't think Apostle Jude agrees with you though. (Jude 1:9) ..... Jude thinks and know that Arch Angel Michael is different from the Lord Jesus Christ whom he is a bond servant to.

Janosky:
There is only one genuine way to translate Greek 1510 and Greek 2316, "was a god" .
In both places in the Greek Scriptures, Acts 28:6 and John 1:1, it is the last word.

Don't deceive yourself, "the Word" is not a speech.
John 17:17.

Luke 9:35, Jesus is a living creature when he and others heard God's word.

If the Word is not a speech as you say how come He is described as the wisdom of God? At least, your organization agrees that Christ is the wisdom of God that is why they linked Jesus Christ to Proverb 8:22.

How come something outside and separate from God became the wisdom of God? You people should be reasoning o, and don't allow only the GB to be doing the reasoning.

Also, how come a created being according to you becomes the wisdom of an eternal being?

Janosky:
WAYO man, according to your fictitious claim, Genesis 14:19,22, shebi Yahweh did not create heaven and earth, he just possessed them.

Psalms 139:13, Shebi Yahweh did not create Eve's womb and kidneys, Yahweh just possessed them..

Common, vamoose from here

If possessor is too big for you to understand, let me break it down for you. The synonym of "possessor" is "owner." In the case of Gen14:19,22 Abram was right, God is the possessor(owner)(Qanah) of heaven and earth because He created (bara) it. But in the case of Proverb 8:22 God possess(owns)(Qanah) wisdom from time immorial, or should I say before time began, not that He created(bara) it before owning (Qanah) it.

Now run along!

NEWBIN:
John 11:25-26
[25]Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

[26]And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Who is Resurrection but God? Who is. Life but God?

JW cronies has flooded the thread like an angel of light seeking for whom to deceive. Beware!

Janosky:
WAYO man, Bara, Yalad are not the only Hebrew language word for "Create"

No dey DECEIVE yourself


The question resurfaces again:

Bros, what's the meaning of Hebrew 7069 in Genesis14:19,22, Proverbs8:22, Genesis4:1, and Psalms 139:13?

everyone knows I answered you. Keep on twisting and turning things upside down just as your GB translated "And the Word was God" to "And the Word is a god." John 1:1

Janosky:
WAYO man, Bara, Yalad are not the only Hebrew language word for "Create"

No dey DECEIVE yourself


The question resurfaces again:

Bros, what's the meaning of Hebrew 7069 in Genesis14:19,22, Proverbs8:22, Genesis4:1, and Psalms 139:13?

Na today, I know your type and your antics. Always using emoji to hide in shame and deceit.

Janosky:
LIAR

Hebrew 7069 , Hebrew Qanah

Bros, what's the meaning of Hebrew 7069 in Genesis14:19,22, Proverbs8:22, Genesis4:1, and Psalms 139:13?

Clear case of "a thief calling another a thief."
Bara' is the Hebrew word for create and it is what was use in the creation account. Gen1:1- In the beginning God created (bara) the heavens and the earth. Gen1:21- And God created (bara) great whales and every living creature that moves, which the waters brought forth abundant.
Gen 1:27- So God created (bara) man in his own image, in the image of God he created(bara) him: male and female he created (bara) them.

A "created " interpretation of Qanah is based on false suppositions. The closest meaning of the word Qanah is acquire, buy, gotten, purchase and posssess. The word can in a sense mean 'create' or 'make' but it is never the closest. Note how the word Qanah is used in other passages... Gen 4:1_And Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived and bare Cain and said, I have gotten(Qanah) a man from the Lord.
Gen25:10_ The field which Abraham purchased(Qanah) of the sons of Heth: there was Abraham buried, and Sarah his wife.
Gen14:19_ And he blessed him and said: Blessed be Abram of the most high God possessor(Qanah) of heaven and earth.

If actually the writer was implying that wisdom was created by God he would have used "Bara" instead of Qanah ". This controversy wouldn't have arise for centuries now. It is common sense. The word Qanah in Proverb 8:22 means "possess" and not "create"

Janosky:
LIAR

Hebrew 7069 , Hebrew Qanah

Bros, what's the meaning of Hebrew 7069 in Genesis14:19,22, Proverbs8:22, Genesis4:1, and Psalms 139:13?

Clear case of "a thief calling another a thief"
Bara' is the Hebrew word for create and it is what was use in the creation account. Gen1:1- In the beginning God created (bara) the heavens and the earth. Gen1:21- And God created (bara) great whales and every living creature that moves, which the waters brought forth abundant.
Gen 1:27- So God created (bara) man in his own image, in the image of God he created(bara) him: male and female he created (bara) them.

A "created " interpretation of Qanah is based on false suppositions. The closest meaning of the word Qanah is acquire, buy, purchase and posssess. The word can in sense mean 'create' or 'make' but is never the closest. Note how the word Qanah is used in other passages... Gen 4:1_And Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived and bare Cain and said, I have gotten(Qanah) a man from the Lord.
Gen25:10_ The field which Abraham purchased(Qanah) of the sons of Heth: there was Abraham buried, and Sarah his wife.
Gen14:19_ And he blessed him and said: Blessed be Abram of the most high God possessor(Qanah) of heaven and earth.

If actually the writer was implying that wisdom was created by God he would have used "Bara" instead of Qanah "

Maximus69:
They're so arrogant so they can't learn, each just want his own opinion to be approved, none want to submit to guidance!

Simple, David was the King of Israel but against whom did David sinned? After all he was the king of Israel! 2Samuel 12:13

Maybe you will respond. What is the Hebrew word for create and why wasn't it used in Proverb 8:22?

solite3:
Forget it, they will keep dribbling themselves, they know the truth but they just deliberately reject it.

I know that is how they do. "They are as cunny as the serpent. "

Janosky:
Bros, What does Hebrew word have to do with Matthew 28:18?

No it has everything to do with Proverb 8

Janosky:
Matthew 28:18...
Bros, you no dey answer your Papa name/Title?

Bros Janosky what is the Hebrew word for Create? Abi you don't want to answer.

Janosky:
This question keeps coming back to haunt you, in spite of your fruitless attempts to dodge it.

What is the meaning of Hebrew 7069 (Hebrew Qanah in Psalms 139:13, Proverbs8: 22 & Genesis14:19,22?


The screenshot here proves that the moniker "bloodofthelamb" is a Lienus

You people can only deceive those who do not study and search out things for themselves. Janosky, what is the Hebrew word for create? Was the Hebrew word "Qanah" used in describing God creating the heavens and the earth in Genesis?

Janosky:
That is Proverbs 8:22, Lord Jehovah created me..
You no see am for there ?

That means your Lord Jehovah had no wisdom and foolish until he created it for himself. Is like you guys has comprehension problem.

[quote author=Maximus69 post=93297627]@bloodofthelamb, it's either you agree with JWs that God created Jesus (Michael) or that God created his own wisdom as your TRINITY cohorts are insinuating.

Funny you. You and your group are the one insinuating that God created his own wisdom. I wonder where you guys got the hint that Jesus is Michael speaking blasphemy against Him. Why don't you call him Gabriel at once.

DappaD:
Biko leave ‘carnal’ and ‘spiritual’ things alone for now—because in my eyes you don't measure up to anything ‘spiritual’ .

I, DappaD am one in agreement with Maximus69, does this mean we're the same person?—John 17:21-23{verse 22 especially}

Just answer my question with YES or NO sir!

I will not oblige you. We are talking whether Jesus is a created being or not let us stick to it. Don't shift the focus. If God created His wisdom as portrayed in Proverb 8 that only means that there was a time He was unwise and foolish.