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Uyi Iredia: Okay. Put in other words, not all we think about we do.



The problem of time travel which I think is practically impossible.



Agreed. People usually use those names to rouse up negative sentiments. Consider the thought pattern: I'm a human like Hitler, Hitler was evil and condemned by many, I don't want hatred and condemnation, so I'm not a human like Hitler. Well, mr bolaino, I'm a human like Hitler and I'm capable (CAN) do what he did, the question is WILL I (actually do it).

Uyi Iredia: Okay. Consider also that thoughts determine your actions, so certain thoughts can be deemed immoral.



Both are the problem. Thoughts influence action.



Okay. The other side I was considering.



She did not.



You would condemn him and I would be less quick because I know unintentional killing (manslaughter) is a fact. In the event I do condemn, I have a conscience which reminds me
I could be the same.



He is a human being like you. When you condemn someone always note you are condemning yourself because YOU CAN do what such a person did. By can, I mean you have the potential. For example, I condemned Wizkid for buying a Porsche but on a smaller scale I mismanaged #250k which I once got.



Certainly, not me.



So you don't know how he makes his money and you assume it's from the offerings. Oooookay.

Uyi Iredia: For all his wealth, there is every possibility that the proposition that such wealth derives from his church members' offerings is flawed (personally I disbelieve this statement from Oyedepo's bashers. I should ask for physical evidence instead of taking their word for it). BTW he makes donations. He once said in a service I attended he donates millions of dollars to a branch of UN (maybe UNICEF) not to talk of the many donations he has made to students in my university which I'm certain of, and others that those close to him know about. The Oyedepo slap I found funny upon seeing it (back in C.U) but Oyedepo-bashers made me consider it in another light. I say they sheathe their swords b'cos, I know that at the very least, they've thought of slapping someone who said something they found really inane. The comment that prompted the slap was the statement "I'm a witch for Jesus" If I'm to bash him, it's because he can brag, like the time he said "There are only 2 universities in Africa, Covenant university and all others." He also is quite temperamental, I've witnessed this first-hand.

zetch: Simple as ABC OP, Nigerians are running to Pastors because of poor economy and well because of stupidity too. I don't care if my comment is derogatory, save that stuff for the too nice suck-ass Christians. The problem also is that because Pastors tell them something is coming to solve their problems, many live their lives in a state of inaction, just going and praying that things will magically become better. Many are awaiting and hoping for promises of miracles that will never come to pass and have no expiration dates on them.

If a Pastor has private jets and is listed by Forbes as a millionaire, something is wrong. He is no business man and no friggin way do books sell that much, not to talk of religious books. Personally, I think many famous Pastors in Nigeria should be investigated. With a net worth of over $150 million, he could do a lot for the people he is constantly preaching to instead of taking more from them. He's a crook that needs to be a in a maximum security prison. But lucky him, he lives in Nigeria huh? who dares care to investigate and audit him.

Daystar18: You certainly think you are smarter than every member of the Winners church or indeed any other pentecostal church who gives offerings, tithes and donations for the advancement of the gospel of the living God. And there are millions of them. For this, I think you are the one that is full of yourself and not bishop Oyedepo. Have you ever bordered to ask yourself what makes intelligent, educated, highly rational, professionals and captains of industries to willingly part with their resources for the sake of the gospel? These are certainly not gullible people or air heads. I believe there is something they have found which you, as an outsider, do not know about. Something must be moving them. No doubt there are many people in the Winners commission with considerable financial resources. Many of such people actually came into the church as battered, beaten wretched paupers but their lives were transformed when they encountered the light of Jesus the Christ.

When people come to a better understanding of the nature of God and imbibes what the scriptures say about giving to the kingdom of God, they do not need any persuasion to give their resources to the church. They give so that kingdom of God and the gospel will continue to spread and to bring more people to the light of the true God. They do not give to Bishop David Oyedepo or pastor Enoch Adeboye or to pope Francis. These men only oversee the judicious application of the resources of the church.

One thing I have come to notice about people like you that cast wild allegations on bishop Oyedepo and the church he oversees is that they hardly know the man they are talking about. I urge you to pick up one or two of his books( he has over 60 books) and by the time you are done reading them you would certainly have a change of mind. You will also realize therefrom that the root of the message he preaches is for you to allow God to control your spirit man through faith in Jesus Christ. Prosperity and riches are only the fruits of that presence of God. It is that simple! Bishop Oyedepo is a man that is high on the annointing and power of God but many will chose to focus on his wealth and not on how much his message has changed the lives of millions of Christians. The private jets the pentecostal churches buy for the church leadership are for necesity and logistics. The Winners church for example has branches in over 64 nations of the world. Those jets serve as transportation, offices and worship centers while in flight.

I will leave you with a quote from 1st Corinthians 2:14 which says "But the natural man recieveth not of the things of the spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." My friend you are still a natural man and seeing the Light from far away. Come near the Light, and you shall find the truth and the truth shall set you free.

m.k.o2005:
hehehehehehehe ! bolaino u make me laugh with this ur comment. I dnt know,i'm happy becvos of this ur comment. I think i love you (agape)no matter ur current status !

God help us

m.k.o2005:
'My pastor' ! I chose to allow u pastor me for i have added more to my knowledge of how to balance prosperity with salvation ! You are a teacher kambo ! Keep the flag flying and i pray that HIS grace will continue to see us through until we meet finally in heaven.If by the grace of God all the atheists,unbelievers,haters of the word of God,God HIMSELF,HIS servant sons,eventually allow the grace to catch up with them,give their life to Christ and for sure make it to heaven they will regret they never withdrew a dime from their heavenly account cos we will be there waiting to welcome them !

God help us

musKeeto: ^^^^
You realise you're fighting a lost battle. Even more enlightened Christians are familiar with the brainwashing that has been afflicted on those of their ilk in the popular Nigerian pentecostal churches.

In their minds, they worship and serve them and these men can do no wrong in their eyes. In fact, some fear that questioning the moves/actions of these MOG'S/charlatans would invoke an irrevocable curse on the life on their destiny.
Sad situation honestly.

Dapsy70sk: Okay nw agreed i̶̲̥̅̊t̶̲̥̅ was a grave error and belive me afta dose cpurt cases n all he wldnt try dt again cos he wld v learnt besyds no one Ȋ̝̊̅§ above error.....but i tink Ι†§ abt tym W̶̲̥̅̊e̶̲̥̅̊ called timme on it, i min Ι†§ gone and ppl shldnt start usin dt as referenc pt †̥ say he's violent...take creflo dollar d american pastor millionaire for example he got mad @ his daughter n while reprovin ђεя he hit n as usual she called d cops n δε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ called him ova n d prosecutor told him †̥ take anger management classes whc he did n he was left alone wit d daughter admitin ђεя fault n all dt n  cn sim †̥ rembr anyone callin him names or dt he's bin doin dt or dt he's violent and all dt.... min jes becos u shouted @ someone out ☀̤̣̈̇f anger @ someone i̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ public doesnt min uv bin used †̥ anger n wl b wrng for ♍ƺ †̥ draw ma conclusion based on dt singular act...tnx

Dapsy70sk: @op n̶̲̥̅̊o̲̣̥w i get i̶̲̥̅̊t̶̲̥̅, persona bif cos ☀̤̣̈̇f d slap he gave a lady, buh  always sim †̥ wonda why d fuss abt d slap, ⌣̊┈̥-̶̯͡»̶̥A̶̲̥̅♏ nt †̥ suport d act okay buh still why all d trobu almost everyday  seee policemen slap n haras women en route †̥ ma place ☀̤̣̈̇f work and no one sim †̥ care n i can rembr while growin up W̶̲̥̅̊e̶̲̥̅̊ get corrected outsyd wit beatins n slaps u get bak ђσмε †̥ report abt i̶̲̥̅̊t̶̲̥̅ u get beat up join...but wu cares abt d policemen or d conductors and §Φ on dt haras women cos δε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ r nobody i̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ quote  min wr were d human ryt activist whose offices were nearby but since dy aint billionaires n §Φ on nobody bodad †̥ do anyfin or say anyfin....i̶̲̥̅̊t̶̲̥̅ may b wrng n u may nt lyk i̶̲̥̅̊t̶̲̥̅ buh  tink W̶̲̥̅̊e̶̲̥̅̊ r bringin western culture I̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊τ̲̅ȍ ours W̶̲̥̅̊e̶̲̥̅̊ all knw elders discipline younger ones here but u dare nt try i̶̲̥̅̊t̶̲̥̅ dr... guess d bishop was zealous for d name ☀̤̣̈̇f christ, as christ was zealous for d temple ☀̤̣̈̇f God and also paul was more zealous he proclaimed blindness on a man....buh wu r W̶̲̥̅̊e̶̲̥̅̊ †̥ judge if by chance i̶̲̥̅̊t̶̲̥̅ ws a mistake does dt make him a fake or cheat pastor...plsss

sir justus: Of a truth some people are possessed with demonic forces. For that reason the devil influences their actions. All they they do or say you wonder wether they are normal as to why can,t they think right. Be careful they do or say anything to influence you to join them. Atimes you join them with out knowing it and that is why certain thing may happen to your life and you don,t know why.

kambo: @op if d bishop were a poor nobody , ud never giv him a dime to help fight poverty wth. But he's rich and u ar so vexed by his excessive richness (4 jets no b beans) tht u open a thread to poor ur venom on him!. Aint tht hypocritcl?
Now go find a poor beaten nobody pastr and buy him a suite of cloths and a pair of shoes! B4 u com here yapping abt those on d other side of d divide.

D bible talks of prosperity in glowg terms, if his wealth is stolen like u allege who'll judge him?u? , on d other hand wat if God gave him all he enjoys? Did d church ever frce members at gunpoint to surrender their money ?

Bidam: In as much as the Op was partly right in some of his views,he went above board by making derogatory remarks and negative abusive comments which generated such response he had in this thread.The remarks are very unchristian like and i doubt very much if the Op is a christian to start with. I am not against bishop oyedepo,neither am i holding fort for him in this regard but the truth is the prosperity message contains truths about faith and God’s help in financial areas. It rightly points to God’s promises concerning blessings for those who give generously.So in essence,it is very much biblical But sadly, it has led to a serious distortion of God’s Word by some. We want the blessings, and God is always set to bless us but we need to also avoid the pitfalls of: A perversion of poverty, A gravitation towards greed, and A penchant for pride,which i am afraid has led so many to their destruction.

Dapsy70sk: Na wa ooo, if u v personal bif for d man say so, instead of makin claims u cnt justify, u z d man only talks abt money..haba, dt ma frnd is nt true, u z d church is ful of y y bois n runs girls, bt pls did christ com for d righteous or rada sinners to repentance....and besyds ao many of services v u gone, unless u r lyk dose voyagers wu v a long telescope to view wats apenin in oda ppls home...dude if u v anyoda claims dt mk sense be sure to let us knw...enjoy

kufre2010: Op, do not argue with them. Leave them to their ignorance. Just say ur mind and leave, who will b wise would b wise.

holahmihdeh: Y dont u face ur life.? The man doesnt even read nairaland. Leave him alone . He has made it already. Do something with ur life too.

DynamicGod: @op(bolaino), u've a reprobate mind. Y don't u take a step to open ur own church in order to make money like Oyedepo? The meaning of ur name in efik (bola-ino) is bola-thief. Ole!

ainabeosei: I do not understand what u mean by zombi. U are acussing some1 of having dubious money and dubious pple in his church and yet u cannot name any body. Who is now d zombie

bobthebuilder99: I posted this same story in the Islam For Muslims section and got banned.

bobthebuilder99: I posted this same story in the Islam For Muslims section and got banned.

obadiah777: THE FALL OF GRACE OF ISRAEL

Broken TV: The truth is that terrorists are not going to heaven so i dont see the need for this pork bullet.

babadem2much: that's what we call pork haram, pig haram too, if possible they should add dog lace and death animal laces, so dat it will discourage this Haramites from seeing aljana. infact anytin wey go help 9ja

A company in Dalton Gardens, Idaho has developed a new line of pork-laced bullets they hope will be used to fight back against Islamic terrorists.

South Fork Industries created the bullets, which they call Jihawg Ammo, so they can be used as a 'defensive deterrent to those who violently act in the name of Islam.'

They took traditional ammo and coated the bullets in a pork-infused paint. Those shot with the bullets would be unclean, as the Islamic religious forbids Muslims from coming into contact with pig meat.

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The manufacturers believe that this act will keep any Muslims shot with the bullets from going to heaven.

'With Jihawg Ammo, you don't just kill an Islamist terrorist, you also send him to hell.That should give would-be martyrs something to think about before they launch an attack. If it ever becomes necessary to defend yourself and those around you our ammo works on two levels,' the company said in a press release earlier this month.

But experts on the religion disagree with the theory that the bullets would keep Muslims from attaining salvation.

'There is no penalty for coming into contact with pork given by the Quran,' said Shannon Dunn, assistant professor of religious studies at Gonzaga University in an interview with Religion News Service.

'To my knowledge, Muslims, especially unknowingly, would not be banned from heaven for eating or getting hit by pork. There are some interpreters who suggest that Muslims should eat pork than starve, if faced with that alternative.'

Effective or not, the company is getting a surprising amount of support on Facebook with more than 5,500 likes.

And they're looking to make money outside of bullet sales.