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afrodoc2:
You are comparing Pep's well oiled machine to this United side that is still learning to crawl and has not even started walking.
And you are comparing Pep who even without his City career is an all time great manager to ETH who still has to write his own story.

No am not making a comparism. Check the initial statement that prompted this discussion between I and christobam to understand what am talking about. Pep Manchester City was only used as an example to buttress a point.

ChristoBam:
As for the Gundogan thing, I don't know about that but if you say it happened then it did. All I know is, he was used there for a short while. And Pep didn't waste time to search for a ball winner/ CDM in the market. He wouldn't do it for a long while.

2018/2019 in a dog race with Liverpool sperated by just 1 point. Fernadinho was injured for weeks, Gundogan replaced him and they won the next 8 consecutive league matches with him at the base of midfield to win the league. You are wrong again, He didn't look for a ball winner kind of player. Pep actual first choice for a Fernadinho replacement was Jorginho a similar player to Gundogan in that role before Chelsea hijacked the deal.

ChristoBam:
Ball winners are vital. Never said it's the only reason. They have all of these things but the ball winners are very important in that system. Pep is probably the best at limiting such situations and he plays with Rodri/Fernadinho. Probably still regrets not starting one of those two in the UCL final against Chelsea.
Fernadinho left and he brought in Philips. Let's forget theories and talk reality.

Ball winners are not vital when the entire team presses and move together. The plan and set up is the most important thing which is why Pep can use Gundogan as his Dm and still dominate in attack and defense without missing a beat. There was a season fernadinho was injured 2018/2019 I think and Pep used Gundogan in that position for 5 to 8 matches in the league and won all. That should tell you something. Pep played against Tuchel Chelsea 3 times that season and lost all three. First match he used Rodri and lost. 2nd match fa cup used both Rodri and fernadinho and still lost. So how exactly do you come to the conclusion that not using them for the 3rd time was the reason he lost the champions league final ?

ChristoBam:
They've got an adequate defensive cover and ball winners in the midfield. We won't have that in that system. Dejong's strengths are Passing, concentration and dribbling. He's moderate at best when it comes to tackles.

With the style ETH wants to play, we'll be very susceptible to dangerous counter attacks whenever there's a sudden loss of possession. We need ball winners in the midfield. ETH definitely thought Mctominay was one until he saw him losing out on duels back to back.

Every possession based team is susceptible to counter attacks so that's nothing new or relevant. They have a well defensive plan and shape when out possession not because they have ball winners or defensive cover. What each coach tries to do is limit those situations which can only happen when you have players capable of keeping the ball from the attackers down to goalkeepers and were everybody presses together under a coherent plan and pattern.

ChristoBam:
I was thinking like this before. But two matches in got me wondering what happens out of possession.

What do you mean by what happens out of possession? When Man city and Liverpool are out of possession or loses the ball what do they do? The same principle applies be it the Dutch league, Epl , Champions league or even division 2.

odizeey:
Why must he start? So we are buying Casemiro to unlock Fred?

Fred should take a seat. Come up as a sub. The sample size has been tested only in Brazil not in the EPL

You are still not understanding the actual discussion. Just forget about it.

TeslaFC:
Fred plays up the pitch when Casemiro’s there.

So he’ll essentially be competing with Bruno and Eriksen for position.

We are saying the same thing. Getting Casemiro doesn't remove Fred or Mctominay from the starting eleven unless we bring in another midfielder. That is what I am making known to the other moniker.

odizeey:
Casemiro balls for both club and country. Why should Fred start with him when he's here to chasing Fred and his partner away?

Fred and Casemiro are not fighting for the same starting position. If Fred can start along side Casemiro for the national team what makes you think he can't at United? The sample size is already there staring at your face.

odizeey:
That's Brazil o. The Fred in United is another one. Moreover, this is EPL. Different from national team game.

Is the Casemiro different from the one in Brazil that Fred is playing with? You said Fred won't be in the starting line up when he is literally the one starting along side Casemiro for the national team that have better midfield options than United.

odizeey:
When Casemiro is here, only madness will make Fred and McTom make starting line up.

Is it the same Fred starting for Brazil along with Casemiro or another one?

melodyogonna:
Doesn't even fit the Ten Hang style. .

Scream panic buy but any upgrade over what we have currently is highly welcomed by me.

TeslaFC:
How in God’s name is this a comment despite all that’s going on?

Did you not watch the Brentford match?

Now lets assume that report is accurate. Players admiting their incapability at meeting ten Hag's demands/ current tactics is not something bad or means they are turning on him especially when you consider they just lost 2 matches in a row conceding 6 goals with Liverpool next. Am sure Ten hagg came to that conclusion himself without the players needing to say anything. If you analyzed both games you will realize Eth was a bit naive
and too optimistic in the way he's setting up the team and on what he expects from many of these players. After two defeats now and strong teams coming next I expect him to adjust and be more pragmatic so we can start getting results which will remove pressure from his shoulder then expand from there.

TeslaFC:
Ok, let him continue with the ones that are questioning his coaching methods.
After all, they’re “established”.

Stop being naive by believing every reports you hear.

TeslaFC:
ETH better bring in those kids if he knows what’s good for him, else e no go see December for this club.

Bring in kids to do what? You want a new manager to bank his club career on playing academy players who can't even perform against their age grade.

Englishisamust:
We hope rabiot can get his form in man u like he did in psg

Rabiot is very talented and will improve us massively. I like this deal.

Englishisamust:
Man u is selling garner. How did I end up in this team??
A team lacking midfield still selling potential player that can help our midfield.

Garner should have been sold a long time ago. I was angry we kept him this long when Nottingham forest wanted him earlier in the window.

NinjaXmetahuman:
perhaps bring a standard bigger than ucl for club football.

Then you can talk.

You are still making things up in your head and passing them off as facts.

NinjaXmetahuman:
so you can see

Nothing special in prime Barca


Now a team that will be greatest in history to dispose prime Madrid will have to win UCL 4 times in row.

Do you see that happening in your life time?

Which organisation or when did Fifa bring out the criteria on ranking the greatest teams in history? All this is coming from your head if am not mistaking.

[quote author=andrewbaba44 post=115759138][/quote]Am seeing years not season. You said 6 trophies in one season. Which season was that?

Unlimited22:
Year, or season?

Like am confused.

andrewbaba44:
Barcelona did that sir ,and I mentioned them already .

Sorry which season did Barca win six trophies?

andrewbaba44:
6 trophies in a season

Laliga ,champions league ,copa del Rey ,Spanish super cup ,uefa super cup ,club World Cup

Are you sure of that? Which club won six trophies in a season ?

andrewbaba44:
Prime Barca won treble twice

Which team has ever done that ?

When wi Madrid win treble or sextuple
? Go to managing Madrid it has always been the aim of the fans

What exactly is a sextuple?

drisham:
But you called playboy mid??

I suggest you calm down and listen to the album again

I have listened to the album a lot. It was freaking mild I was disappointed. After Burna, Omah lay has the 2nd best album this year so far.

Godx:
Boy Alone was mad. Man dedicated an entire song to rizla and killed it.

10/10...The album is a drug.

myami:
this fool thinks grammy award is for pangolo music

k

drisham:
That's why I rate fireboy the boys got mad pen game

His latest album is 10/10

The album is mild. Omay lay album was even better.

It seems some of you have forgotten what Made in Lagos did to twice as tall despite having an O.G like Diddy. If both were nominated for that Grammy, Burna for win nothing.

drisham:
What I'm saying is tems has always been talented she only need a star to put her out.like most Nigerian musicians.asake,bnxn and the like

I've been jamming her b4 essence

Now she's getting international features and winning the BET
Wiz just helped in putting her out there but she carried essence

She had no hits or chart topping songs before Essence. Wizkid helped her career. What is stoping Tems from making her own songs blow like Essence? Why can't she carry her own songs to chart topping level? Carrier indeed

drisham:
Damages?,free mind ,higher ??

Are you joking or what? None of those songs were hits or did numbers or topped any charts. Wizkid featuring Tems helped her career not the other way round.

Ibime:
Drake knows who is behind Essence track. He went straight for the source to feature on his album,.not the attache. Tems made Essence. Wizkid sang nonsense that didn't even rhyme

What is stoping Tems from making her own songs blow like Essence? How many hit songs does the Source have on her own?

Brentford test

"Every game is hard. Really good (team), same as last week, Brighton, they have a team and coach long together and a good structure. We have to win."


On the same page with board with transfer targets

"Yes."

Injury latest

"Martial will not be available and Victor Lindelof as well, not for this weekend."


Confident squad will be better by end of window

"We have to. I am convinced we will have."