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Round 10 Result

Boomark: +10 points

Image123: 0 point

Any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring)
Image123: -5
Boomark: +5

Final score

Boomark: +15 points

Image123: -5points

Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFlntrR2vzQ?si=ho9VRzxevqXc8ScS

Ken4Christ:
You said nothing. Pride won't allow you to acknowledge that Jesus is the visible manifestation of the invisible God. He is God in human flesh and it is explicitly stated in the scripture. As a man, he is subject to the Father. But in his divine attribute, they are one

Why do you think that the Holy Spirit is referred to as the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.

The kingdom of God is also known as the kingdom of His dear Son. All that the Father has belongs to Jesus.

They are three persons but one God. [/bJ Jesus doesn't act independently. He does what he sees his father do. The Holy Spirit also does what Jesus instructs him to do. It's a mystery you can't comprehend with the carnal mind.

You people don't know God. That's why it is a mystery to you. The bolded is falsehood. See what the bible says.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrV
[4] ...” [b]We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 LSB

[4] “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one!


I believe that Jesus is a God. Moses was made a God to Pharaoh, Exodus 7:1. And there are many Gods in heaven and on earth.

The bible made it clear. Even though there are those who are called Gods in heaven and on earth, they all have One God and their God is the Father. This includes Jesus Christ. These scriptures are where Jesus called the Father his God (John 20:17, Hebrew 1:9, (Psalm 40:6-7+Hebrew 10:6-8 , Revelation 3:12).0

I'm against those who lump up one God as 3 persons. And they forgot to add Moses and make it 4. How then can someone still go ahead and say that one God 3 distinct persons? This is a lie.

The scripture said that "One God," is the Father. The Father who alone is a one God over all cannot fit into the trinity equation. The Father alone is One God. He doesn't share it with 2 other persons that serve him.

Ask your yourself who is one God according to the scripture above? Is it 3 persons? Who is one God in Deuteronomy 6:4? Is it 3 persons? Who is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Israelites who glorified Jesus, Acts 3:13? Is it 3 persons? Besides the Holy spirit was never called a God anywhere in the scripture.

So triniity is built on falsehood that is not in the scripture. Satan and antichrist don't want people to honour the one and only true God as one God he is. Romans 1:21. You ignore the truth about one God and believe falsehood made by man.

Ken4Christ:
God Himself is not a mystery but his nature is a mystery to those who are not yet born again or to the carnal mind. And the scripture says the same thing:

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Our Lord Jesus also mentioned it:

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given

See how you people are committing blunders. Satan and the antichrist is deceiving you people. When I say it, it will be as if I don't like you people.

Romans 1:20-21 NRSV
[20] Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; [21] for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened.

His nature is not a mystery. You are without excuse. Those scripture you quoted is meant for you. You people can't discern the things of the spirit. Your pastors and rev fathers have lied to you people. Which excuse will give again? You have been believing and practicing falsehood for years and ages.

Something that is a lie is very clear. I told you people that those who do not continue with the teaching of Christ don't have God. FxMasterz called those teaching of Christ kindergarten scriptures. That's why he doesn't know anything at all.

Ken4Christ:
You only want to lean on scriptures that agrees with your opinions and reject others that don't.

God created all things. Jesus also created all things. Analyse this.

Before I answer you I would like you to answer these questions

John 12:49-50 NKJV
[49] For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. [50] And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

1. Do you believe Jesus, that he speaks whatever the Father commands him to say?
A. Yes I believe
B. No I don't believe him

Hebrews 5:7 NKJV
[7] who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,

2. Do you believe that Jesus' cries and tears means he knew it was only God the Father who was able to save him from death?
A. Yes I believe
B. No I don't

Romans 10:9 – “…if thou shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

3. Do you believe that it was God the Father that raised him from the dead?
A. Yes I believe
B. No I don't

4. If you gave 3 A's to the above questions, why is it still difficult for you to really accept you have agreed to become of your trinity doctrine?

Whatever that will make you not to really agree with question 3 is not of God. Beware of trinity. That's exactly what they do, to make people reject God.

Julia25:
Because God gave us Christ hence we have the fullness of God

Yes. So how then will Trinitarians come and say that since Christ has the fullness of God, it means that he is equal to God. They don't even know that it was given to him by God. They don't have respect for the Father. Trinity Is the agenda of satan and the antichrist against the Father who reconciled us to himself since they lost when Christ died and resurrected.

God the Father is the owner of Godhead (divine nature). It is his nature and not a position for trinity or 3 persons. The Father, who is One God over all owns it.

See my rebuttal on it. Trinitarians don't understand scripture. They don't know the meaning of things.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136513274

You can't pick holes in what I wrote because they are true.

Image123:
"The rebuttal proved Jesus's divinity and glory", let that sink in.
You quoted/screenshot my answer already dear. Reminds me of when the Truth was standing right in front of Pilate, and the fellow was still asking "what is truth". LoLz

Why are you so afraid to answer the question?

We know the Father is the God of Jesus Christ.

So who is the God of the Father, since you said the Father also has a God?

Image123:
Lolz, Boomark knows exactly what his AI tolerates. And this 2 months and a half experienced user of AI claims AI cannot be influenced by what it is fed. He also knows exactly what to cut out from your post and what to feed AI. On this same thread, this fellow complained about pasting "claim", and subtopics and brackets. SMH.

Even during the days of frosbel, Goshen360, italo and co around 2015, 2016, you are no match for me. There was no AI then. Whenever I say "brace yourself like a man I have question for you and you must answer." You and all those believing falsehood will disappear. You are free to go through my previous posts and threads and see how I terrorise laryas.

So you can't deceive people by using AI as your only hope of having something to say against me. My first trinity thread was in 2016. So you are seeing unrebuttable reinforcement to what I have known already. Continue lamenting.

Image123:
Round 10

Subtopic: Jesus is a part of the Godhead and therefore fully God.


CLAIM:
The Bible explicitly states that in Jesus Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. He is also head of ALL principality and power. As a result, Jesus is not a weakened "part" of God but rather possesses all of God's attributes.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Jesus is not a "separate god" but is eternally united with the Father (John 10:30, "I and the Father are one".
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Rebuttal

The word Godhead means divine nature, not that Jesus is the Almighty God Himself. Godhead belongs to the head of Christ. It belongs to the Father. It is the nature of God which he gives to his servants or believers.

Romans 1:20 - “…even his eternal power and Godhead [divine nature]…” — here says, "his power and his Godhead - showing that Godhead is God’s nature and it belongs to God the Father.

Acts 17:29 – “…we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone…”

This clearly means divine nature, not a “three-in-one God.” The word does not prove “Trinity,” it simply points to God’s divine nature.

Jesus received fullness from God. it was given, not self-possessed.

Colossians 1:19 GNT
[19] [b]For it was by God's own decision [/b]that the Son has in himself the full nature of God.

Colossians 2:9 says, “In Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”

It was God the Father's decision give Him this fullness. If Jesus were Almighty God by nature, He would not need to be “given” the fullness of God.

Believers are also promised to be filled with fullness of God.

Ephesians 3:19 – “…that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.”

This shows “fullness of God” does not make one Almighty God or equal to God the Father. Believers share in divine nature (2 Peter 1:4), yet remain subject to God.

Just as Jesus was given fullness by the Father, we too may be filled with God’s fullness.

“I and My Father are one” (John 10:30) refers to unity of purpose. See scripture that explains it better.

John 17:21-22 HCSB
[21] May they all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You. May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me. [22] ... May they be one as We are one.

The same word “one” is used for Christ, the Father, and believers — proving it means unity, and not that we are equal to Jesus or God the Father.

Even in His exalted state, Jesus is still subject to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:27–28). In Revelation 3:12 – Jesus calls the Father “my God” four times, even after glorification.

Therefore, the verses used to claim Jesus is “fully God” actually show that the Father, the one and only true God, gave Him divine fullness to fulfill His role of doing the will of God — and the Father remains greater than all.


Key verses:

Romans 1:20 NIV
[20] For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Colossians 1:19 GNT
[19] For it was by God's own decision [/b]that the Son has in himself the full nature of God.

John 10:30 HCSB
[30] The Father and I are one.”

John 17:21-22 HCSB
[21] May they all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You. May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me. [22] I have given them the glory You have given Me. [b]May they be one as We are one.

Acts 17:29 HCSB
[29] Being God’s offspring then, we shouldn’t think that the divine nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image fashioned by human art and imagination.

Colossians 2:9 HCSB
[9] For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ,

Ephesians 3:18-19 NRSV

[18] I pray that you [/b]may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, [19] and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, [b]so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.


2 Peter 1:4 AMP
[4] For by these He has bestowed on us His precious and magnificent promises [of inexpressible value], so that by them you may escape from the immoral freedom that is in the world because of disreputable desire, and become sharers of the divine nature.


1 Corinthians 15:27-28 HCSB
[27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Revelation 3:12 HCSB
[12] The victor: I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of My God, and he will never go out again. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God — the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God — and My new name.

1 Corinthians 11:3 NRSV
[3] But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of Christ.

gohf:
You called in Gabriel the accuser 🤣, it would be better to find someone who would be more interested in a honest dialogue

He has been silent to me after I proved he mocked Jesus' words and "do you believe in Jesus' words" which I asked them. He called Jesus word and my question false dichotomy.

They don't know what they are doing.

Julia25:
Why won't we believe he is Christ?

He had and exhibited the fullness of God.

Ephesians 3:18-19 NRSV
[18] I pray that you may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, [19] and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.


Fullness of God can be given to believers. Wait for rebuttal today and you will see that it was God's decision to give his fullness to Christ and it can also be given to believers.

The foundation of trinity is based on twisted scriptures and lack of understanding.

Image123:
i love that summary from you "The rebuttal proved Jesus's divinity and glory", that settles it. You can laminate the remaining funny technicalities. Imagine someone who consistently falsely accused me of blaming AI has been lamenting about me and MY AI. LoLz at My AI.

2Th 2:10 EasyEnglish This very bad man will also do all kinds of bad things. He will cause bad people to believe what is not true. So, God will certainly kill those bad people. Those bad people will believe false things because they refused to love the true message. They refused to love the true message so that God could save them.
2Th 2:11 EasyEnglish For this reason, God causes them to believe wrong things very easily and very strongly. So then they will believe what is not true.

Oya let's see those who believe wrong things. And always talking out of point.


You said God the Father has a God. Now tell us who is the God of God the Father.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123#136310247

You have dodged this question severally or are you now ashamed of what you wrote.

Image123:
Lolz, it's so funny yet pathetic. Why the cowardice? You cut out some of my post just to score yourself. Your self deceit is now obvious to readers. One might have assumed you were ignorant before, or maybe deceived by your denomination. But your behaviour has shown it's deeper, you are actively involved in deceiving yourself.
As usual, i have proven what i severally stated, AI is GIGO, AI can be wrong, AI responds to what you feed it, AI can also be manipulated to avoid critical thinking. i hope you remember this is at least the third time you have failed to respond to claims within your given law/time. Act blind as usual, score the ones you want to score manually, feed AI the one you want. The childishness is amusing. May God help you.

I was like how did I make a mistake and I went back to check what happened that's I realised and remembered that I was dealing with a deceitful being.

This was what I cut off. This was your advice on how all my subtopics are saying the same thing. It has nothing to do with rebutting the subtopic. And you are here shouting as if all your hope to win is dependent on your listing of all my subtopics.

My AI doesn't tolerate nonsense. It will tag you as talking out of point. The antichrist spirit want to deceive people to think I actually cut out something useful to the subtopic of discussion.

Continue being desperate while I point out all of it.

Images123 please I want to take permission. I will be occupied tomorrow and next tomorrow.Thabgt5 you

Round 9 Result

Boomark: +10 points

Image123: 0 point

Any out of point (from rule 3 in scoring)
Image123: -5
Boomark: +5

Final score

Boomark: +15 points

Image123: -5 points

Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzawoI3NLFk?si=kFWGYlVgqqR2XUEr

Ken4Christ:
The Holy Spirit is also known as the Spirit of Christ or the Spirit of his Son.

It's true that Jesus received authority from the Father to do all he does. I am only trying to make you see the unity in the three persons of the Godhead.

In a place, Jesus said that the Father would send the Holy Spirit in his name. In another place, Jesus Himself said he would send the Holy Spirit.

The Bible said that God created the world. It also said that all things were created by Jesus.

The Bible says that we are redeemed by the blood of Jesus. It also says that we are purchased by the blood of God.

You can't separate God from His Son. God commands but his Son is the word who brings his commands to pass.

I think I have shown you that it was the Father who raised Jesus Christ from the dead. An undisputable fact from over 30 scriptures.

So if someone ask you who raised Jesus from the dead? The correct answer is the Father.

What the Holy spirit is called cannot change it. Your understanding of Godhead cannot change it. Unity between the Son and the Father cannot change it. Both of them didn't unite and died together unseparated since you can't separate the son from the Father. My explanation should have helped you to dump all these beliefs that can't prove anything.


Romans 10:9 – “…if thou shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

You are free to give yourself trinity reasons to reject what God has done by himself and also reject being saved. You are on your own., I have done what you asked for perfectly well..

When I said that those who do not continue with the teaching of Christ don't have God. A fake pastor known as FxMasterz came with antichrist agenda and quoted another scripture against what I wrote and said, Jesus' teaching is he who has seen me has seen the Father.

AI will not even save him and explain it for. I will send spirit of confusion to him and his AI. Just as Image123 and his AI are busy talking out of point. He has to beg me unless he believes the truth which Christ heard from the Father. Those words of Jesus Christ he called kindergarten scriptures came from the Father and he is ignorant to know.

He cannot say the words of human beings he calls spiritual father are kindergarten preaching or words for any reason. But he was bold to say such a thing to the word of God for a reason known to him. Only the spirit of the antichrist can do that. God who called and anointed me to slay falsehood didn't send me with any certificates.

Romans 10:9 – “…if thou shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

You must believe this about the Father to be saved. Those who are claiming that the Holy spirit is interpreting scripture for them don't even know this nor believe in it.

1 Corinthians 15:15 – “…we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that dead rise not.”

Has he in any way testified of God that he raised up Christ? I don't think so.

1 Corinthians 6:14 – “And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2 Corinthians 4:14 – “Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus…”

Many will see Jesus as the resurrection, which he is, but they don't know who is behind it all. The source of everything. The Boomark and the apostles knew it but trinitarians don't.

Ken4Christ:
But our Lord Jesus said he would raise himself up from the dead. Did he lie?

John 2:19–21: “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

John 10:17–18: “I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.”

John 11:25: “I am the resurrection, and the life."

The Scripture also said that the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead:

Romans 8:11: “The Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead…”

1 Peter 3:18: “…put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.”

The Holy spirit is the Spirit of God. It belongs to the Father. It is this same spirit that the Father said he will put in his servant, Isaiah 42:1. Holy spirit is the power of God and God use the Holy spirit to achieve what he wants including the conception of Jesus Christ.

You gave 3 scriptures but I will show you what it means and with over 30 scriptures pointing to God the Father as the one who raised Jesus from the dead. Even Jesus knew this that's why he cried and prayed to the Father who is able to raise him and God heard his prayer.

Now to your scriptures, this will help you to understand that it is the Father that is speaking through him and commanding him on what to say. He hears the truth from the Father and say it to the people. It was the Father that spoke through him.

Just look for scriptures about resurrection and the life the Father has which he has given to the son. Ayam tired.

John 12:49-50 NKJV
[49] For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. [50] And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

John 8:38, 40 NKJV
[38] I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.”
[40] But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.

Hebrews 5:7 NKJV
[7] who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,


John 8:26 NKJV
[26] I have many things to say and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and[b] I speak to the world those things which I heard from Him.”
[/b]

Galatians 1:1 – “…by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.”

Romans 6:4 – “…as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father…”

Acts 2:24 – “Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.”

Acts 2:32 – “This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.”

Acts 3:15 – “And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.”

Acts 3:26 – “Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you...”

Acts 4:10 – “…Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead…”

Acts 5:30 – “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.”

Acts 10:40 – “Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly.”

Acts 13:30 – “But God raised him from the dead.”

Acts 13:33 – “God hath fulfilled the same unto us… in that he hath raised up Jesus again…”

Acts 13:34 – “And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption…”

Acts 13:37 – “But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.”

Acts 17:31 – “…he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Romans 4:24 – “…if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead.”

Romans 4:25 – “…who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”

Romans 7:4 – “…ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead…”

Romans 8:11 – “But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ… shall also quicken your mortal bodies.”

Romans 8:34 – “…It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God…”

Romans 10:9 – “…if thou shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

1 Corinthians 6:14 – “And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.”

1 Corinthians 15:15 – “…we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.”

2 Corinthians 4:14 – “Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus…”

Ephesians 1:20 – “…which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places.”

Colossians 2:12 – “…ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”

Colossians 3:1 – “If ye then be risen with Christ…”

1 Thessalonians 1:10 – “…and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus…”

Hebrews 13:20 – “Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus.

1 Peter 1:21 – “Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory…”


I am not like the the 1 verse pastor FxMasterz. Who doesn't even understand the 1 verse he is using to make noise. I gave him 7 and I will not explain his own for him. Let him continue being blind. This is also a knockout to Image123 round 9 claim on trinity. They twist scriptures to suit themselves.

Any opposition to these scriptures will mean believing in contradictions.

Image123:
Round 9 Result

Boomark: -5 points

Image123: +15 point

Image123: 0 + 10 points for claimant avoided the point (from rule 3 in scoring)
Boomark: -5 (avoided the point)

Final score

Boomark: -5 points

Image123: +15 points

Watch the short video to see how the analysis was done according to the rules to focus on the bible alone and more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wVEQHtgGGU


Also, watch the updated cumulative.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5tv9pyE47nM

Wow congratulations on your out of point award.


Now let me destroyed the little one I have seen. I would like everyone to see how you and your AI are talking out of point.

The subtopic is focused " Jesus' Subjection" to the Father even a diety/divine being according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 and other scriptures. What you should have done is to counter it and tell us no he is not subject to anyone but equal to the Father and Holy spirit.

You left that and started talking about humility and his deity which never counted the fact that he is subject to the Father even as a God. Your AI want me to leave my subtopic and start talking about divinity. Out of point result is what you posted.

The 2nd screenshot is from my own results. This is how it should be. You can't say 'pim' against those 2 scriptures that are foundation to my subtopic.

Ken4Christ:
Boomark, please answer this question:

Who raised Jesus from the dead? A - The Father B - Jesus C - Holy Spirit D - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Choose only one option. Don't beat around the bush.

A. The Father.

Image123:
Your subtopic has been virtually the same thing, paraphrased in different words. It appears you are more interested in saying the same thing, that the Father is God, than in profitable engagement and understanding. There is no Christian who doesn't say that the Father is God; it is not an argument or a claim not similarly held by others. You should be trying to tell or discuss why you think Jesus is not God or that the Spirit is not God. Instead, you have quietly agreed that Jesus is divine but sidestepped telling us how divine. Is He divine as a servant and prophet like Moses and Image123 to you, or divine as in GOD the Son?
Your claims in your rounds below so far;
Round 1- The Father is God over all
Round 3- Jesus Christ has a God. His God is the Father
Round 5- Jesus Christ is the servant of God the Father.
Round 7- Jesus Christ is a prophet of God
Round 9- Jesus Christ is Subject to the Father Even as a Divine Being

This is the same claim that you have made using synonyms. Maybe your next round 11 claim will be that Jesus is a messenger or a representative. It's still the same thing. Kindly raise the level of discussion. You can't continuously raise what everyone agrees to and ask me to rebut it. Look at the entire Bible contextually, and not just in patches.

Truth is always straight forward. That's why you support most of my claims. I haven't even told you that he is the priest of God forever. All these are to show you that he is not equal to the Father. You started using divine and I decided to use it small and you are not happy. All the time you were using it you tell me if he is divine as Moses. He is divine as a servant of his God, as a priest of priest of his God, as a Mighty God.



Which one is I quietly agree that Jesus is a God. Go to my last thread at the op you will see where I said he is a God but not God Almighty and not his equal. The Father also called Moses a God when he made him a God to Pharaoh. All who are called God are not in anyway equal to their God who is the Father, the only true God and One God over all.

But the way, you are not really talking about trinity. All your claims should involve the 3 person that formed the trinity not 1 or 2.

God is not 3 person. Anybody can be called a God. As idol worshipers call on their own wooden sculpture a God. You don't expect them to write god for the deity they serve.

Image123:
Well said brother. i wonder if Boomark is deliberately deceiving himself by manually scoring himself. One would imagine that he'll make AI do it.But that'll probably expose how many times he had to reprompt.

No, you can also say that I manufacture ChatGPT.

FxMasterz:
Whoever has seen Jesus has seen God. That's what Jesus said. Jesus is God made manifest in the Flesh. Jesus is the physical manifestation of the God who is spirit. Men have not seen God because God is Spirit. But Jesus has revealed Him through His own manifestation.

The bottomline of the whole discussion is to let you see that Jesus is a representation of the Father.

If Jesus says, whoever has seen Him has seen the Father, who are you to say whoever sees Jesus have not seen the Father?

The bottomline is that both Jesus, John and Paul said no man has seen the Father. 3 testimonies, 7 scriptures against your misunderstanding. Both John (a star witness) and Paul said it after the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Call me anytime you prove them wrong.

Case closed.

Meanwhile see your screenshot here

It said, the only-begotten God. The "only one" doesn't mean he is the Father. Nobody is using I and my Father are one to twist scripture anymore since exposed their falsehood.

By the way case closed.

FxMasterz:
But you were the one who mentioned me there, or was it Janosky? I was waiting for you to finish with Image123, I did not post on your thread for that reason.


I did not refer to anything such as 'reveal' in your screenshots.


Best advice for you my brother. You did not post the screenshot I asked. You did something else entirely.

I said you should ask ChatGPT to quote John 1:18 from the strongest and most reliable Greek manuscripts only, and translate it to English.

That is what I said, I never said you should ask ChatGPT about 'reveal'. That is your own idea.

John 8:2, 44 NIV
[2] At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.
[44] You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

See your your father here. The screenshot and the bolded proved it. During temptation in Matthew 4,satan has fear of God but you, you don't have any atom of fear of God in you.

You mentioned reveal. Something that was never there. Now you are denying it.

FxMasterz:
So, those various versions of scripture I quoted are long and empty? Who mocks the Word of God that Boomark?

You quote one scripture and design it with long, empty, contradictory lies.

You can show me how similar you are to satan in quoting scripture and I will show you the true Word of God.


So, that Jesus has revealed God and the whoever has seen Jesus have seen God are not the Words of Jesus? Tell me it was satan saying that or satn was talking through Jesus when He said "anyone who sees me have seen the Father"? Answer me!

You should also tell me if it satan that said this.

John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father

Answer me

No, Jesus specifically said "Anyone who SEES Him have SEEN the Father. That was twisted too? Which other Father do you want anyone to see? Did you read what Jesus said to Philip? Jesus said "Why are you still asking me to show you the Father? Don't you know that anyone who has SEEN Me has SEEN the Father?' (Paraphrased). Go and read John 14 again. If we quote it here now, you will say the Word of God quoted is long and empty. Is the word 'SEEN' twisted too?

Your understanding of what Jesus said contradicts other scriptures including the things Jesus said himself. That is a bad understanding centred on just one verse. You must prove that other scriptures are not contradictory.

No man has seen (Past Tense) God. Simple English o. But you have twisted the Word of God to say no man CAN SEE God.' I don't know maybe you also have "No man WILL See God" in your head. Before Jesus came, no man has seen God, but the only begotten Son has REVEALED Him. How did He reveal Him. Whoever has SEEN JESUS has SEEN the Father." SEEN, SEEN The Father.

Screenshot:
From the screenshot, I want everyone to see what I said in capital letter which I marked with orange colour, "THAT NO MAN HAS EVER SEEN GOD". And see how he lied against me in the blue colour, saying that I said "NO MAN CAN SEE GOD. It is obviouse that this fake pastor is seeking promotion from satan and the antichrist.

When I said Trinitarians lie a lot I knew what I was saying. It is from satan. You will not escape being like your father and coach.

John wrote that thing long after Jesus resurrection and he is telling us it is past tense.

John and the whole of Scripture have proven that all your loud talks are falsehoods and you don't even know what you're talking about. Jesus said whoever has seen Jesus has seen the Father but boomark says Jesus is lying.

Jesus has no business with your poor understanding. Or probably you are working for the antichrist and their father.

You guys who take half the Word of God and neglect the other things said are the greatest tools in the hands of satan. This is what Jesus said, I just hope you will not call it long empty words:

John 14:7 -
"If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. [b]From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

Now, make of Christ's Word what you will. These are not my own words but Christ's.

Question
If Boomark should ask Jesus to show him the Father today, will He answer him in any way different to the way He answered Philip?

You have only 1 scripture. I have 7 solid scriptures. Paul saw Jesus but he still address the Father as invisible God. So tell us if all these scriptures are telling lies.

1 John 4:12 RSV
[12] No man has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

John 5:37 NIrV
[37] The Father who sent me is himself a witness about me. You have never heard his voice. You have never seen what he really looks like.


John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father.

John 1:18 LSB
[18] No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

1 Timothy 1:17 LSB
[17] Now to the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 6:16 LSB
[16] who alone has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal might! Amen.

Colossians 1:15 NIV
[15] The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.


Paul saw Jesus

1 Corinthians 9:1 NIV
[1] Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord?

1 Corinthians 15:7-8 NIV
[7] Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, [8] and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.


You must prove that these scripture are not falsehood.

Julia25:
It was exhausting going through both AI scorings, trying to make sense of what both sides aimed to show.

Boomark's main point is that Jesus has a God hence he is not God, along with other sub-topics.

Image123 points is to show through scripture that Jesus is God along with other sub-topics.

Using the same queries gave me different scores, hence using AI as an absolute judge is not really expedient. This case is like the famous case of that AI that was built to detect tanks in low brightness settings but was rather checking for contrast.

While you both want AI to judge, the Ai is just checking for coherence and other technicalities. You both are like the US government that trusted that old AI system, for the sake of detecting "tanks",spiritual truth, but it ended up just checking for contrast—coherence and semantics—"clever Hans" effect.

I will contribute to the discussion later when I have tried to reconcile each points in their best forms🤔.

The bolded is not my stand. See the summary of my stand in this scripture.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrV
[4] ...” We know that “there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

I believe that Jesus is a God. Moses was made a God to Pharaoh, Exodus 7:1.

The bible made it clear. Even though there are those who are called Gods in heaven and on earth, they all have One God and their God is the Father. This includes Jesus Christ. These scriptures are where Jesus called the Father his God (John 20:17, Hebrew 1:9, (Psalm 40:6-7+Hebrew 10:6-, Revelation 3:12).0

I'm against those who lump up one God as 3 persons. And they forgot to add Moses and make it 4. From the screenshot you can see that my position cannot be countered but was supported. What I get is not truly a rebuttal but mostly parallel claim. How then can someone still go ahead and say that God is one Lord in 3 distinct persons?

It is impossible to twist "One God," who is the Father so they used just the word "God." The Father who alone is a one God over all cannot fit into the trinity equation. The Father alone is One God. He doesn't share it with 2 other persons that serve him.

Ask your yourself who is one God according to the scripture above? Is it 3 persons? Who is one God in Deuteronomy 6:4? Is it 3 persons? Who is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Israelites who glorified Jesus, Acts 3:13? Is it 3 persons? Besides the Holy spirit was never called a God anywhere in the scripture. So triniity is questionable.


The instructions you feed the Ai is in the op. I quoted and bolded them. The 1st one is the general rule. Start on a fresh page. Tell it not to say anything about the rule yet until the next post. After this you don't need to post the rules again and again.The 2nd one is where you put the the claim and rebuttal. You use this one for judging each round. Make sure they are in the bracket. You can watch round 1 result to see how it was done.

See them some of the screenshot because it is long. Check if they have what you are looking for.

FxMasterz:
Unfortunately, your definition of everyone is contrary to the dictionary meaning of it. By saying you are not everyone when you were specifically mentioned, the same way you mentioned me on your thread, you are being hypocritical. I responded to Janosky and mentioned you. Janosky referred me to you saying you will answer me. You again refereed me back to Janosky. Your alibi already failed.

Now, regarding the screenshot, can you see that ChatGPT interpreted that the only begotten God/Son has revealed Him? Now, tell it to give you the Greek and translations from only the most reliable and strongest manuscripts. Instead of using God/Son, it would use only one.

Normally I am not supposed to reply you in that challenge thread because it is against the the rule for you and Janosky to post there. What I should have done was to remove everything thing. This place is meant for discussion.

There was no where in my screenshot where it says "reveal". It says explain/ make him known. And these are are still inline with revealing him.

But please say things as they are. I will do what you asked for and post screenshot.

Julia25:
No link in the Opening post?

Hello Julia please ask your questions here not in that place. We will open that place for discussion when we are through.

Final winner of each round gets +10 points. Anyone talking out of point gets -5, while the opponent gets+5. We have done 8 rounds already. ChatGPT does the analysis and judgement. The final winner is seen in each video.


I still have one more claim to make and that will uproot trinity from the taproot.